Podcast Summary: All Of It – “Buddy Drama 'Twinless' With Dylan O'Brien & James Sweeney”
Host: Alison Stewart, WNYC
Guests: James Sweeney (Writer, Director, & Star), Dylan O’Brien (Actor)
Date: February 16, 2026
Episode Overview
In this episode, Alison Stewart speaks with James Sweeney and Dylan O'Brien about their film Twinless, which was recognized at the Independent Spirit Awards for its nuanced exploration of grief, friendship, masculinity, and loneliness. Sweeney, who wrote, directed, and starred in the film, joins O'Brien (who plays both twins Rocky and Roman) to discuss their creative process, the inspiration behind the movie, and their approach to complex characters dealing with profound loss.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Inspiration and Cultural Fascination with Twins
- James Sweeney's lifelong interest in twins
- Sweeney shares that he "always wanted a twin" and even dated an identical twin in his twenties, which influenced the writing of Twinless after that relationship ended (02:45).
- He expresses the cultural presence of twins—referencing Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen and Sister, Sister—and their connection to the idea of “the perfect best friend.”
- Quote:
“I think it sort of encapsulated the idea of the perfect best friend. Somebody who wanted to share your clothes and do all the activities you wanted to do. And that was very appealing to me at the time.”
— James Sweeney (03:08)
2. Dylan O'Brien's Initial Reaction and Process
- First reading the script
- O'Brien describes being "immediately so taken by it." He emphasizes the script’s humor and emotional depth as major draws for him (03:56).
- Quote:
"...I couldn’t put it down, you know, I absolutely devoured it, choked it down, and then couldn’t wait to see who this guy was. And we still haven’t met."
— Dylan O’Brien (05:05) - O'Brien also watched Sweeney’s previous film the same night to get a sense of his style and was impressed.
3. Casting and Chemistry
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Sweeney’s casting background and reasoning
- Sweeney discusses how his experience in casting shaped his view that "it doesn't matter how good an actor is… If they are right for the part, they are right for the part" (06:36).
- He emphasizes choosing O'Brien for not just his dramatic and comedic talents, but their real-life chemistry, crucial for a small, independent film.
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Collaboration and partnership
- Their mutual respect and friendship developed over the long pre-production period, leading to authentic on-screen chemistry.
4. Approaching the Theme of Grief and Research
- O’Brien on preparing for twin roles
- O'Brien admits to not doing extensive research into twins, focusing instead on the universal themes of loss, grief, and humanity that anchor the story (07:19).
- They discuss the existence of actual support groups for twins and the story’s inspiration from these real-life spaces.
5. Navigating Directing, Writing, and Acting
- Sweeney’s internal conflicts
- Sweeney describes the decision anxiety between his roles as writer, director, and actor—like including a necessary but vulnerable sex scene (09:00).
- O’Brien echoes the vulnerability, both physical and emotional.
6. Friendship, Masculinity, and Loneliness
- Complex portrayals of male friendship and loneliness
- Sweeney:
“These are two people who both carry a lot of shame and regret and they are both searching for solace in their own individual ways… The film explores friendship and masculinity in a very contemporary way...” (10:00)
- On loneliness:
“I think loneliness is a killer. I think the science supports that. I think what we see in this film is a place where loneliness leads to desperation.”
— James Sweeney (10:56) - O'Brien shares how his character (Roman) lives in his brother’s shadow, admiring Rocky's “fearlessness” and “infectious popularity” (12:51).
- Sweeney:
7. Constructing Dual Characters (Rocky and Roman)
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Creating distinct identities for the twins
- O’Brien was intentional in differentiating Roman (“a little dim but lovely”) from Rocky (gay, extroverted, worldly).
- He worked with the hair and wardrobe departments to reflect their differing journeys and personalities (11:55–12:39).
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Nuance and spectrum of masculinity
- Sweeney and O'Brien had deep conversations about masculinity, performative femininity, and how these factors play into the characters’ public and private selves (13:53).
8. Trust and Creative Freedom
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Collaborative approach and mutual trust
- O'Brien values the “permission” Sweeney gave him as a director, fostering confidence and authenticity in the performance.
- Quote:
“The thing he said about permission is the greatest gift that you can receive from your filmmaker.”
— Dylan O’Brien (15:21–15:39)
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Long creative process
- The project took four years to come to fruition, allowing the script and real-life friendship to deepen, ultimately benefitting the film’s chemistry and depth (16:44–17:01).
- Sweeney notes all actors in the support group (including extras) are real twins, adding authenticity (17:01).
9. Narrative Structure and Editing Challenges
- Strategic reveal of information
- Sweeney explains that the film’s structure, especially when to reveal certain information, evolved into a "Jenga puzzle"—balancing suspense and surprise like a Hitchcock film (18:34–20:03).
- Major edits were made (removing 50 minutes of footage!) to maintain pacing while ensuring interconnected plot points stayed intact.
10. Response from the Twin Community
- Feedback from twins
- O'Brien shares that feedback from actual twins has been positive and affirming—they feel his portrayal is authentic rather than distracting (20:10).
Memorable Moments & Quotes
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On desire for a twin:
“It was a repeated request that I gave to my parents that was also repeatedly denied.”
— James Sweeney (02:47) -
On how fast Dylan O’Brien read the script:
“Yeah, I devoured it.”
— Dylan O’Brien (04:55) -
On loneliness and danger:
“I think loneliness is a killer. I think the science supports that. I think what we see in this film is a place where loneliness leads to desperation… Love can make you do crazy things.”
— James Sweeney (10:56) -
On creative trust:
“The thing he said about permission is the greatest gift that you can receive from your filmmaker.”
— Dylan O’Brien (15:21–15:39) -
On friendship’s importance:
“Our own friendship parlayed into the chemistry between the characters that you see on screen.”
— James Sweeney (17:01)
Key Timestamps
- 02:45 – Sweeney discusses fascination with twins and the film’s personal origins.
- 03:56 – O’Brien recalls how he first read and responded to the script.
- 06:36 – Sweeney on how casting experience influenced his approach.
- 07:19 – O'Brien on researching twins (or not).
- 09:00–09:52 – Sweeney and O’Brien discuss sex scene and vulnerability.
- 10:00–10:54 – Exploring male friendship, masculinity, and loneliness.
- 11:56–12:51 – O’Brien and Sweeney on differentiating Rocky and Roman.
- 13:53–14:44 – Discussing masculinity, identity, and performance.
- 16:44–17:01 – Four-year production timeline and its benefits.
- 18:34–20:03 – Narrative structure, editing challenges, and strategic reveals.
- 20:10–21:01 – Feedback from twins on the film’s authenticity.
Summary Takeaway
Twinless is a film that deeply examines loss, friendship, masculinity, and loneliness through the unique but relatable lens of twinhood. The episode highlights the thoughtful collaboration, vulnerability, and authentic storytelling brought forth by Sweeney and O'Brien. Their creative process was marked by trust, open communication, and a commitment to nuanced, truthful performance, resulting in a film that resonates with universal human experiences and has earned praise from the community it represents.