Interviewer (3:53)

What struck you about the way that he played.

Christian McBride (4:00)

The lift? You know, the word that comes to mind when I think of chicks playing is alive. It's always bouncy. There's always a certain element of life force in it. You know, it's just. It picks you up, you know, even just the way he. He played inside of the beat, you know, it was always kind of on the top end of it, you know, it was always lively, you know, and he was so much fun to be around. You know, he was just a great guy and obviously a great player, but also one of the greatest composers in the history of American music.

Interviewer (4:41)

Ooh, tell me more.

Christian McBride (4:43)

You can't really play jazz and not, at some point, have to deal and learn about Chick Corea, the composer, along with, you know, he's very much in the same lineage as Duke Ellington, Thelonious Monk, Bud Powell, Wayne Shorter. You know, he was so prolific, you could make. You could study Chick Corea's music for a lifetime. That's how prolific he was.

Interviewer (5:13)

How did the two of you end up becoming acquainted later on in life?

Christian McBride (5:17)

I first met Chick in the early 90s at a jazz festival in Japan. And I was playing with my dear friend, the great pianist Benny Green. And Chick sat on the side of the stage during our set and listened intently. And it was really. We were all honored and shocked that he was that interested in what we were doing. And he sat there, you know, he had his arms folded, and he was kind of. You know, he was getting into it. At the end of the set. He said some really nice things to us, and he gave me his info and said, let's stay in touch. And three years later, he called me to tour with him for the first time.

Interviewer (5:58)

What did that mean to you in 1993? You were a young man. What did that mean to you to have Chick Korea that interested in what you were doing and how you were playing?

Christian McBride (6:09)

Yeah, first of all, I didn't believe him. You know, there was a part of me that Thought, he's just being nice.

Interviewer (6:15)

He wrote you a nice letter, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christian McBride (6:18)

You know, I was like, well, he's just being nice. He says this to everybody, which he did. He did do that to everybody, which I found was actually really beautiful because a lot of people say things and they don't follow up, but he followed up. He sent me a letter of a couple of maybe six or seven weeks later. And I just like, are you kidding me? He's serious about this. So that meant the world to me that somebody as legendary as Chick Corea was interested in what I was doing and wanted me to play with him.

Interviewer (6:52)

Two recent releases capture jazz pianist and composer Chick Corea's final performances before his passing. Grammy Award winning bassist Tristan McBride, who was a frequent collaborator with Chicks, is here to discuss his. His legacy after getting to know him a little bit more. Aside from him being a great guy, which you've described, what did you admire about him professionally as a musician?

Christian McBride (7:14)

His work ethic? Yeah, the man was working hard all the time. And I remember I was having some issues with just kind of my own career, trying to establish myself as a band leader. And I was going through some issues with my team and Chick said, what are you doing after the show tonight? I said, nothing. He said, I'm gonna come to your room, I have some ideas. And Chick came to my room and he opened up his laptop and he had like these. They weren't Google sheets, because this was before Google sheets. It was like a Microsoft Word or something like that. He had all these documents and he sat there with me. He says, ok, step one, this is how we're gonna think about your career. I went, wow, okay. He said, now this is how you get your team in place and here's what you tell the record company. And I almost didn't hear him because I was so shocked that he took such great care of my dilemma. You know, he sat there with me and walked me through his ideas, you know, so he was really invested.

Interviewer (8:32)

That's really interesting. He kind of taught you that old saying, like, be the CEO of your career. He sort of taught you that, like, this is what we gotta do.

Christian McBride (8:39)

He definitely was that.

Interviewer (8:40)

That's so interesting. What's something that you gained from him from working with him about how to arrange and compose music?

Christian McBride (8:50)

I wish I. Whatever. It's something that I still can't do, you know, I would always. It was intimidating being around Chick particularly. I mean, it's one thing watching him, you know, be the CEO of his career and Run his empire and be the great player that he was. But also to see how he managed it all and was able to write music with just. With such ease. In the middle of all of this, you know, we would be on the tour bus and he'd have sheet music out, and he's just writing, you know, didn't even really have the piano nearby. You know, he would write every now and then, and we'd get the sound check, and then we're supposed to be rehearsing the music that we're going to play, but then he'd be writing music for another project that was coming up.

Alison Stewart (9:42)

Oh, wow.

Christian McBride (9:42)

It's like. So he had these two brains working all of the time, and I'm like, man, how do you do that? You know? And he would always say, you know, something like, well, it's not that hard. You do it, too. I was like, as you can see, I'm not doing that. But, yeah, it's just he was so prolific and, you know, he always used to say, the way you do it. He said, you practice composition the same way you practice playing your bass. You know, you gotta write something every day, you know, even if you don't like it. Get in the habit of writing music.

Alison Stewart (10:17)

Do you still follow that rule?

Christian McBride (10:19)

I try my hardest, but I don't always come through.

Alison Stewart (10:23)

All right, let's talk about that.

Christian McBride (10:24)

I'm gonna get there, though.

Alison Stewart (10:26)

Let's talk about the trilogy albums. What do you remember about touring with Chickaria in those sort of final months of his life?

Christian McBride (10:34)

It was just that trio with Brian. With Brian Blade. I think once Brian and I. I don't know if we ever got over the. You know, Chick had become such a important part of our lives. You know, we did consider him a friend, but we did not lose sight of the fact that it was still Chick Corea, and he was considering us his main group by the end of his life, what turned out to be the end of his life. And we were honored by that, you know, and it was always so much joy to play these great standards with the man that wrote them. You know, every time we would play Spain, there was always a little part of me that thought, that's the guy that wrote it. Right? You know, we play 500 miles high. That's the guy who wrote it. Matrix. That's the guy who wrote it. You know, now he sings, now he sobs. Okay, we're not reading out of a book. That's the man that wrote it. You know? And Chick would always say, hey, guys, you know, I'M getting tired of playing all of my music. Let's play some of yours. Brian and I were like, no, no, man. Mozart, you're fine.

Alison Stewart (11:54)

Trilogy three earned a Grammy for best Jazz Performance for the track Windows. It was first recorded in 66ish, and it's a jazz standard. Why do you think that song has withstood time?

Christian McBride (12:10)

Strong melody, great chord changes, you know, And I think that's a real. Those are two real basic things in songs and pieces of music. Long form, mid range form, long form. It has great melody and great harmony, you know, and in the case of jazz, great rhythm, you know. So I feel that that song Windows and so many of other Chick's songs, they have great melodies. You can sing them. They're like. They're ear worms, you know, Even when you're busy doing something else, this little melody of his pops up in your head. Like, why am I hearing that? You know, because it's a great melody. So Chick was always one for a great melody.

Alison Stewart (12:59)

Let's listen to Windows.

Christian McBride (13:27)

Sam.

Alison Stewart (14:08)

Christian, when you think about him as a pianist, what do you think he is underrated for?

Christian McBride (14:16)

Chick. I remember one time, his guard, he got really vulnerable one time, and he said, you know, I wish I played the blues better. You know, I wish I swung harder. And so I didn't. I don't even think I even responded. I was like, hmm, okay. So a couple of days later, I found an old Blue Mitchell record. I pulled up an old Blue Mitchell record that he played on, and I swear, you think it's Winton Kelly or you think it was Oscar Peterson? So I didn't say anything. I just played it while we were on the bus. And the Chick kind of went, oh, man, that's swinging. And he goes, wait a minute. Ask me. I said, yeah. Remember you said you wish you swung harder and you played the blues? I mean, that sounds like you're a perfect two for two right there. You swinging hard, you playing the blues. You can still play. He said, oh, man, I don't know. I said, come on, let's play some blues tonight, you know? And he got in there, you know, so, Chick, look, you can't play with Miles Davis and Sarah Vaughan and Mango Santa Maria and all those people back in those days if you couldn't groove and play the blues.

Alison Stewart (15:37)

Let's talk a little bit about forever yours. The farewell performance is out now in a CD set, and the album features originals and nods to other composerslonius Monk, Duke Ellington, Mozart. See, what can we learn about Chick Corea? From the composers and the musicians that he admired.

Christian McBride (15:59)

Chick was so. He was eclectic. You know, he listened to. He loved Thelonious Monk, he loved Bud Powell, but he also loved Beethoven. He also loved Mozart. He was. He was very much into a lot of different styles of music. And the life force that I mentioned, you know, it's like he always sounded like he was up, you know, he always sounded positive. I don't think you ever listen to Chick Rea's music and feel down. You know, even his more beautiful introspective songs, there's still a certain hopefulness to it, you know, it'll never make you sad. And even listening to this farewell concert From October of 2020, I certainly didn't know he was suffering. You know, we played our last concert together in March of 2020, and he looked, sounded, felt just like Chick always did, you know? So when he passed away in February 2021, that came as a huge shock to all of us. We had no idea. And to think that he made this recording that close to his death and shows no signs of any sort of physical ailment. There's that life force I was talking about.

Alison Stewart (17:28)

Let's play a track from Forever Yours. Here's Chickaria playing Mozart's Piano Sonata in F. Christian, what do you hear when you listen to this?

Christian McBride (18:03)

He still sounds like Chick. Yeah, yeah. There's some Chick isms in there. You know, just a little tweak of the rhythm. Little. Little phrase right there. It's like, ah, that's Chick.

Alison Stewart (18:16)

Before we go, what do we hear from you in the future? What are we gonna hear from you?

Christian McBride (18:21)

Well, you know, you brought me some luck last time I was here when we talked about my big band record. So, you know that. That was volume One Without Further Ado. Volume One Without Further Ado. Volume two will be released sometime early next year.

Alison Stewart (18:36)

Oh, that's exciting.

Christian McBride (18:37)

Yeah.

Alison Stewart (18:38)

We're gonna go out on a series of songs from Chick. They were children's songs. They're based on children's songs. Why would he venture into the land of children's songs into simple songs?

Christian McBride (18:50)

Well, one of Chick's favorite characters, he used to deem himself. You know, he made an album called the Leprechaun back in the 70s. And, you know, on the album, like, he dresses like one, you know, like he's always had that child. Like, again, that positivity, that sort of hopefulness, that sort of. That almost. Almost a sweet naivete, you know? But, yeah, him writing and loving children's songs is on brand.

Alison Stewart (19:24)

I have been speaking with Grammy Award

Interviewer (19:26)

winning bassist Christian McBride about Chick Corea's Legacy Trilogy 3 and Forever Yours the Ferrell performance are both out now. Thank you for spending time with us.

Christian McBride (19:34)

Always wonderful to see you.

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