Exploring the Psychology of 'Inside Out 2'

Summary

Podcast Summary: Exploring the Psychology of 'Inside Out 2'

Podcast: All Of It by WNYC
Date: June 17, 2024
Host: Kusha Navadar (in for Alison Stewart)
Guests:

• Dr. Lisa Damour (Consulting Psychologist for Inside Out 2)
• Dave Holstein (Writer, Inside Out 2)

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Overview

This episode of All Of It explores the psychological themes and cultural impact of Pixar’s new film, Inside Out 2, focusing on the representation of emotions during adolescence, with a special emphasis on anxiety. Host Kusha Navadar speaks with Dr. Lisa Damour, a clinical psychologist who consulted on the film, and Dave Holstein, one of its writers. Together, they discuss how Inside Out 2 delves into puberty, the role of new and existing emotions, and how the film serves as a meaningful tool for families, teachers, and mental health conversations. Listeners also call in to share their personal and professional perspectives on the film’s portrayal of emotional development.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Film’s Premise and Evolution

[03:35–04:50]

• Inside Out 2 picks up with Riley, now 13, entering high school and facing new emotional challenges, including puberty.
• The mind, not the brain, is the center of action—emotions are personified, acting out Riley’s inner world as she encounters new situations and feelings.
• "[Inside Out is] a metaphysical place where you can watch an 11-year-old girl navigate a big traumatic moment in her life ... and how she learns ... the power of sadness throughout." – Dave Holstein (04:06)

2. Psychological Grounding: The Shift in Adolescence

[05:16–07:09]

• Dr. Damour explains that around age 13–14, the mind’s capacity for abstraction increases. Teens begin to see situations from multiple perspectives, enabling self-conscious emotions like embarrassment, envy, and especially anxiety.
• Emotional intensity increases dramatically during puberty; the film humorously captures this through “the puberty button” at emotion HQ.
• "You put a kid to bed one night ... the next day you wake up and you’ve got a teenager and they are feeling things very, very strongly." – Dr. Lisa Damour (06:20)

3. Realism, Anxiety & Its Role

[07:32–08:34, 13:00–14:25, 16:43–19:09]

• Anxiety is depicted as multifaceted: it’s neither wholly good nor bad, but rather essential for alertness and safety—unless it goes unchecked.
• Dr. Damour and Dr. Dacher Keltner ensured the film’s portrayal of anxiety reflects clinical reality: useful in moderation, problematic in excess.
• "Anxiety is complicated. She’s not all good, she’s not all bad. ... it can get out of control, and it is also an important part of how we keep ourselves safe." – Dr. Lisa Damour (07:54)
• Dave Holstein describes writing anxiety as character: "There’s something about anxiety as an antagonist that you need to live with ... we can’t defeat it. We have to learn how to manage it." (13:31)

4. Family and Educator Perspectives

[09:21–11:38, 14:25–16:14]

• Teachers use Inside Out clips in social-emotional learning, highlighting the film’s educational value and the elevated anxiety seen post-COVID.
• Parents appreciate the film as a tool for conversation with their children and as reassurance regarding adolescent emotional turbulence.
• "My daughters ... resonate with the emotions ... I asked them what I appear to be showing, and they said, anxiety and joy—which I feel is perfect for motherhood." – Nicole, parent caller (10:50)
• The film provides comfort by also showing the mother’s internal emotions—a perspective parents find validating.

5. Gender and Socialization in Anxiety

[16:43–18:59]

• Girls tend to internalize distress (anxiety, depression); boys externalize (acting out).
• Perfectionism and anxiety disorders are more prevalent among girls, often reinforced through social expectations.
• Management tips: Reframe exaggerated fears, focus on coping skills, and encourage expressing and naming emotions.
• "For Pixar to put in front of us these ... personified versions of feelings means that families can talk about feelings in a new way." – Dr. Lisa Damour (18:40)

6. Healthy vs. Unhealthy Anxiety

[19:09–20:03]

• The objective isn’t to eliminate anxiety, but to keep it healthy and proportional.
• Suppressing or avoiding emotions can lead to unhealthy coping (distraction, substance use).
• Unhealthy anxiety is disproportionate or disconnected from real threats.

7. The Creative Process & Comic Relief

[20:03–21:46]

• Writing for Pixar involves continuous iteration, with input from psychologists, parents, and diverse teams.
• Giving emotions names and personified traits helps viewers name and discuss their own feelings.
• The film deliberately focuses on internal, psychological markers of puberty and uses humor to visualize "abstract" mind functions—like sarcasm—in a way only the Inside Out universe can.

8. Resonance with Adults

[22:52–23:52]

• Adults, especially parents, find comfort and reassurance in the film’s depiction of the adolescent journey and their own parallel emotional experiences.
• "It’s very isolating to be the parent of a teenager ... for Pixar to put up on the big screen what we see in so many homes ... is a real service to families." – Dr. Lisa Damour (23:27)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Abstraction & Puberty:
  "Suddenly Riley seems to be overreacting to everything ... they all turn on anger and he’s like, ‘I barely touched it.’ ... It really captures ... family life." – Dr. Lisa Damour (06:10)
• On Anxiety’s Role:
  "It’s a very hard thing in a Pixar movie to create an antagonist that you can defeat. And there’s something about anxiety as an antagonist that you need to live with." – Dave Holstein (13:17)
• Language for Emotions:
  "As soon as you talk about a feeling, the feeling actually comes down to size. As soon as a kid says, 'I feel anxious,' they feel less anxious." – Dr. Lisa Damour (18:50)
• Parents’ Relief:
  "It was a relief as a mom ... they actually have it from the mom's point of view in the movie ... comforting." – Nicole, caller (11:24)
• Process at Pixar:
  "My job is sort of to pluck ideas from that stream of conversation ... and try to make them into scenes ... that make you care and also get it right." – Dave Holstein (20:43)
• Reassurance for Families:
  "A lot of parents are going to feel great reassurance that they're not alone ... your kid is changing, your relationship is changing ... it’s a real service to families." – Dr. Lisa Damour (23:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction to Film and Guests: 01:35–03:08
• Explaining the Mind vs. Brain: 04:06
• Puberty, Emotional Intensity, & Abstraction: 05:16–07:09
• Anxiety Characterization and Relevance: 13:00–14:25
• Listener/Caller Educational Perspective: 09:21–10:18
• Parental Perspective on Emotions & Puberty: 10:27–11:38, 14:30–16:14
• Gender & Socialization Differences: 16:43–18:59
• Healthy vs. Unhealthy Anxiety: 19:09
• Pixar Creative Process: 20:33–21:46
• Why Adults Relate: 22:52–23:52
• Closing Remarks: 23:52–24:05

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Tone & Language Style

The conversation is accessible, warm, and gently humorous, reflecting both the supportive intent of the guests and the Pixar film itself. Dr. Damour and Dave Holstein are empathetic, candid, and focused on bridging psychological science with relatable storytelling. The exchange welcomes diverse family, educator, and clinical perspectives.

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Takeaways

• Inside Out 2 provides families, educators, and clinicians a fun, effective framework for discussing complex emotions, especially during puberty.
• Anxiety, while sometimes overwhelming, is a natural, manageable, and often helpful part of life.
• The film and this discussion offer vital reassurance: intense feelings and emotional change are normal parts of adolescence (and parenthood!), not crises in themselves.
• Giving emotions names and stories—“externalizing the internal”—makes them less intimidating and more manageable for everyone.

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Listeners are encouraged to use the language and concepts from the film to foster open emotional conversations in their own homes, classrooms, and communities.

Transcript

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You're listening to all of it. I'm Kusha Navadar in for Alison Stewart. As we mentioned before the break in the last segment, the sequel to Disney and Pixar's Oscar winning 2015 film Inside out returns to the mind of 13 year old Riley Anderson just in time for puberty. In Inside Out 2, Riley's five core emotions are represented as characters in her head. You might be familiar with them. Joy, sadness, anger, fear and disgust discussed, these five catch us up with Riley and her friends as they go to hockey camp the summer before high school. However, new challenges come up for Riley as she makes new friends, tries to impress the high school hockey coach while sometimes making poor choices, and attempts to reconcile who she is with who she wants to be in this next phase of her life. And this requires Riley to figure out how to manage new emotions like envy, embarrassment, ennui or boredom and anxiety. Who thinks she knows what's best for Riley's future. In this installment of our Mental Health Monday series on all of it, we hear about the psychology of Inside Out 2, which is in theaters today. And joining us to discuss is Dr. Lisa D'. Amore. She was one of the consulting psychologists working on the film. Lisa, welcome to all of it.

Thank you so much for having me.

Absolutely. And also joining us to discuss is one of the film's writers, Dave Holstein. Dave, welcome to all of it.

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

A privilege to be here.

[Host (Interviewer)]

It's a privilege to have you both. I'm very excited for this conversation and listeners, we still have our phones open, so have you seen inside out 2? What did you think about how the film handled anxiety? Or if you're the parent to a tween or teenager on the cusp of puberty, what's been hard or changed for the better? How has your relationship shifted? Call or text us. We're at 212-4433, 9692. That's 212433, WNYC or if you're on Instagram, if you're on X, you can hit us up. DM us. We're all of it wnyc. Really looking forward to those calls. Dave, let's get started with you. Inside out follows a young girl named Riley, like I mentioned, and the characters who live at the headquarters inside of Riley's mind. Can you, can you explain the concept behind the original film for those who haven't seen it and tell us what goes on inside? Headquart.

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

Well, it's very important to note that it is not the brain, but the mind. It is a metaphysical place where you can watch an 11 year old girl, in the case of the first movie, navigate a big traumatic moment in her life which was moving across the country and watch her emotions, which were the original five, Joy, sadness, anger, disgust and fear and how that plays out and how she learns how, I would say Joy learns the power of sadness throughout.

[Host (Interviewer)]

The film and in Inside out, what major developments have occurred in Riley's life and where do we meet her in Inside Out 2?

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

Well, this takes place two years later. She's 13 and she is heading into high school the summer before high school. And she learns a couple things that, which I won't spoil that affect her emotionally. And they make a three day hockey camp feel like it could affect the rest of her life. And that's our sort of entry point to introducing anxiety and the other emotions you mentioned into her life.

[Host (Interviewer)]

And Lysa, you know, we meet Riley at an important, like Dave is saying, what feels like it could impact the rest of her life, a very important phase of her life. What are the unique changes that are starting to happen inside of the mind. Mind of a preteen and a teenage girl at this moment where we meet her.

Well, so a couple things are happening. One is that the mind has become quite a bit more sophisticated. And this is what happens around 13 or 14. It sort of grows in leaps and bounds. And what gets introduced is what we technically call abstraction. And basically what it means is it's the ability to see things from other people's perspectives, to spin situations around and imagine them from very different views. And. And that allows for the arrival of self conscious emotions, emotions that, you know, like embarrassment, where you think, well, what is that? You know, I feel so bad about what that person thinks about me, or envy. Why does that person have something that I want for myself or anxiety, like, what could possibly go wrong? And so that's one thing. Then the other thing is emotions are put on steroids. And this is illustrated so beautifully in the film where suddenly Riley seems to be overreacting to everything. And there's a very funny scene where the old emotions are working with the upgraded console that has the puberty button in full effect. And Riley lashes out at her mother and they all turn on anger and he's like, I barely touched it. And it really captures what I think is very often a very vivid experience in family life where you put a kid to bed one night and they're sort of easygoing, and the next day you wake up and you've got a teenager and they are feeling things very, very strongly. And so Inside Out 2 did an amazing job of capturing both of these events that do start right around 13, where emotions become more complicated and they are also way more intense.

That concept of abstraction I find so interesting. And for you, I understand that Inside Out, a big part of writing this movie is making sure that everything is at least grounded in what is real and true and scientifically proven with how the mind works. This idea of abstraction. What did you want to make sure, Lisa, that the movie, the writing of it, got correct in how it actually shows up for people as they grow older?

Well, I want to give really credit goes to the writers. They really are the ones who did the thinking, did the research and put it on the screen. My job. And then also Dr. Dacher Keltner, who's at UC Berkeley, was the other consultant psychologist, was just to sort of, you know, review and guide along the way. And so my role was really to try to help, especially with the depiction of anxiety. That's an area where I've done a lot of work and. And one of the things that got captured very beautifully in the Film is that anxiety is complicated. She's not all good, she's not all bad. And that's how we think about anxiety as clinicians, that it can get out of control. And it is also an important part of how we keep ourselves safe and keep ourselves on track. And so for anxiety to have this big uptick around 13, 14 is what we see in the literature. And it fits with this ability to start to imagine scenarios, imagine possibilities, which is, you know, arrives with abstraction, but it also then has to be kept in check.

Listeners, have you seen inside out 2? What did you think about how the film handled anxiety? If you're the parent to a tween or a teenager right on the cusp of puberty feel like, as I think, Lisa, you mentioned that anger can just do a little tap and it's a huge explosion. What's been hard for you or what's changed for the better? How has your relationship shifted? Give us a call, send us a text. We're at 212-433-9692. We're here with Dr. Lisa D', Amore, who's a film consultant, a psychologist, an author, and Dave Holstein, who's a writer of the new movie Inside Out 2, which is in theaters now. We're here. We got our phones open. Give us a call. We're at 212-433-9692. Let's get into some calls. We've got Beth from Brooklyn. Hey, Beth, welcome to the show.

[Beth (Caller, Teacher)]

Hi.

Thank you. I was just telling the screener that I'm a health education teacher in Brooklyn, New York City public schools, kindergarten through fifth grade. And I always start in the year with social emotional learning. And I use inside out clips from that to identify our emotions and do comprehensive health education around being able to identify them and match feelings to feeling emotions and then actions as well. And I can't wait to see the sequel and then plan my upper grade units around that as well. So I just wanted to give a shout out to the directors and filmmakers and writers because it's been a huge tool to help education, which is a mandate New York state requirement. And I'm very proud to do that work at my school, especially since COVID Our kids are struggling, as we know, and I'm also meeting the anxious generation, and these tools really help us as teachers.

So thank you, Beth.

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Thank you so much for that call. Uh, let's go to Nicole in West Orange, New Jersey. Hey, Nicole, welcome to the show.

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Hey, thanks.

[Nicole (Caller, Parent)]

Yes, we saw the movie Friday night with my two 12 year old daughters. And they've already been talking about the emotions in the first inside that movie a lot. They resonate with them. But when the puberty button was hit in the movie, spoiler alert. And the anxiety entered the room, it was definitely a great conversation piece for us. On the way home, I asked them to tell me what of the emotions resonate with them, and they were telling me the ones that they think about often. Then I asked them to tell me what I appear to be showing, and they said, anxiety and joy, which I feel like is perfect for motherhood and where I am in my life. My daughter said, well, you always seem to be thinking ahead of what needs to happen and what could go wrong. So, like the guest said, it's good and bad. And I just appreciate the conversation because we've definitely had, I think, elevated anxiety after Covid and during COVID And this movie is just a great conversation piece. And it also was a relief as a mom because dealing with I have four teenage children and their emotional roller coasters. Like, they actually have it from the mom's point of view in the movie at one point, and her emotions inside her head and it just comforting. So I appreciate it.

[Host (Interviewer)]

Oh, Nicole, thank you so much. And it's very interesting to hear you and some other folks out there commenting on anxiety as such an important part of the movie for them. And Dave, for you, I'd love to talk about anxiety as a character a little bit. So like all the other characters, anxiety is personified as a character inside of headquarters. Let's listen to a clip. This is Anxiety introducing herself to joy, disgust, anger, fear, and sadness. Here it is.

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So that was Anxiety introducing herself to all of the other emotions in Inside Out 2, which is now in theaters. And Dave, she is of course anxious, but tell us about her personality a little bit. And specifically, what is it that she really wants for Riley?

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

Well, it's a great question because in a movie where you're personifying concepts, right, it's always a trap in writing to work backwards from concept and not forwards from character. You know, you have to always write from what does a character want? And when anxiety clicked for me, it was about something that really existed to help Joy, that wanted to think of all these different ways that they could help Joy, but maybe wasn't doing it in the right way or was trying too hard, but meant well. It's a very hard thing in a Pixar movie to create an antagonist that you can defeat. And there's something about anxiety as an antagonist that you need to live with. Right. And when we were writing this, we were in that post Covid world where the experience we were all having, I think was to speak for the world, was that we'd all had this Covid experience where Covid was this enemy we couldn't defeat and had to live with. And the more I was writing about anxiety, the more that felt parallel that there is something about anxiety that we can't defeat it. We have to learn how to manage it. We have to learn how to live with it. And out of that came this character that was Joy's number one fan, for better or worse.

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Let's go to Tina in Nassau County. Hey, Tina, welcome to the show.

[Beth (Caller, Teacher)]

Hi, how are you? I appreciate the show as well. I saw the movie on Friday with my son. I have three children and my middle one is 15. Full fledged puberty at the button. The writers, they really did do a good job. It informed me I was telling your screeners on what my daughter. It just remind me what she's going through. Because as parents we can forget that time when we were going through that. And I like that like that. Like you said, they barely touched the button. So I'm always. My husband and I are always very conscious. Okay, she's going through this time. And I'm always saying, where's that sweet baby I had like two years ago? But I also wanted to say I really liked how at the end, I can't tell this. I don't want to tell the movie. But how anxiety, yes. The psychologist, Dr. Demore and how you need it, but how to keep it at bay. Like I get ideas from listening to things like focus on the family, where it said, like I'll pay my daughter or want. She may not. Sometimes she takes it not to study for an exam because She's a straight A student. She's a straight A student and she's always thinking about something she missed. So I like the way the movie navigated how and informed the adults, you know, very I cried. I cry at Pixar movies. But it was excellent in informing parents on what's going on, reminding us of what's going on during this very critical time of development.

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Tina, thank you so much for that call. And you know, I think, Lisa, it's important, well, Lisa and Dave, of course, both of you, to talk about gender and anxiety in this movie as well. In the new film, Riley is starting to grow up, become a young woman. Lisa, for you, what are some of the key differences in how you've seen anxiety manifest itself in teenage girls compared to boys? And what specific approaches are most effective in addressing anxiety in young women?

So when we look at the research, girls are much more likely than boys to suffer from anxiety disorders. And this is almost entirely a function of socialization, like what we teach young people. And the bottom line is that girls as a group are taught to internalize distress, to collapse in on themselves with anxiety or depression, whereas boys as a group are taught, you know, to express distress outwardly, to get themselves in trouble, to be hard on other people. So we see higher rates in girls. Also to what this caller mentioned, we also see a lot of perfectionism in girls. And that's a theme that is brought up really, really thoughtfully in the film with really good ideas about how to address perfectionism. So in terms of helping the management of anxiety, what we know is that, first of all, it's helpful if you do appreciate that there is such a thing and we're talking about this as healthy anxiety. Anxiety is useful if it's alerting us to real potential threats. We only consider it to be unhealthy if it shows up when nothing's wrong or it's way out of proportion to the threat. And to help manage this, what we talk about clinically, but people can also do this in their kitchens, is not overestimating threats and not underestimating the ability to manage them. So if a kid says, I'm going to fail out of school? We can say, are you going to fail out of school? Or maybe not get exactly the grade you were hoping for. And then we can also say, and what could you do to try to improve things for yourself? What choices do you have? So we have lots of techniques that work. But there's something else at work here that I just want to mention in terms of all of Your callers talking about getting these conversations going. Feelings are abstract. That's what Dave was saying, right? That they're sort of concepts that are ideas. And for Pixar to put in front of us these memorable, you know, personified versions of feelings means that families can talk about feelings in a new way and talk about envy and talk about embarrassment, talk about ennui. And as soon as you talk about a feeling, the feeling actually comes down to size. As soon as a kid says, I feel anxious, they feel less anxious. I feel sad, they feel less sad. So there's a huge gift in these films in terms of just making much more available, a language to talk about feelings in a way that, you know, we desperately need right now.

And can you talk a little bit about that? Healthy versus unhealthy anxiety? I think on the unhealthy side, it can even lead to suppressing emotions. Right. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Well, sometimes when people are overwhelmed by anxiety, they will then retreat and try not to have feelings. They may turn to a lot of distraction. Sometimes they'll turn to substances as a way to try to bring their anxiety under control. The goal here is not to get rid of anxiety. The goal here is to have anxiety at levels that are helpful and if it gets to a place that is unhelpful, to cope with it in ways that are healthy. So whether it's through breathing techniques or questioning one's own thinking or finding ways to relax the body, that is what we want. But I don't want people to be so frightened of anxiety. It is very much a part of our lives. It's a part of healthy functioning. I do think the pandemic really rocked us and to Dave's point, really having to come to terms with anxiety, where it lives in our life, how we make sense of it, and how we make sure that it doesn't spin out of control.

That's a really interesting point about finding the nuance and the sense of where is the joy and the joy? Where are the full spectrum of emotions? Show this all in a positive light. Dave, Lisa, how did you two and the rest of your team work together to make sure that you were showing that full spectrum? Did it start with Dave, you going and writing and showing something to the consultants, or was there brainstorming that happened together at the beginning? Can you talk us through that process a little bit? Dave, let's throw that to you.

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

All of the above. I mean, it's such a process of iterating and iterating, and iterating at Pixar, I would write something, I would bring it into a small group, we'd bring it into a big group, we'd call Lisa. We wanted to make sure we got everything right. The process at Pixar, because there are so many people working on the film and everybody is contributing actively and there's moms, there's dads, there's all sorts of different voices in the conversation. And my job is sort of to pluck ideas from that stream of conversation as they go by and try to make them into scenes and then try to make sure those scenes work on that dramatic level and make you care and also getting it right, because Lisa's right and your callers are right, that the movie is a great tool. It's a great tool to be able to give a pain a name, to give an emotion a name and talk about it.

[Host (Interviewer)]

And I want to be sure to bring up some of the joyful moments of the film poking fun, which is a great part of Inside out one as well. The film primarily focuses on the internal aspects of puberty, but there are external markers of growing up as well. Dave, what were some of the visual cues of teenagers development that you all wanted to highlight or poke fun at in the film?

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

Well, you know, there's. We didn't want to take any low hanging fruit. You know, there's certainly a lot of films even at Pixar that have addressed the physical journey of puberty. And we really wanted to at every point make sure we were doing it within the Inside out universe, within the mind, within those changes. Like showing what a sarcasm would actually visually look like was something that we could do that no other film could do. And so we were really focused on that rather than say the pimples and the big changes. But that's where we started to have a lot of fun.

[Host (Interviewer)]

And I'm looking at the clock here. We're wrapping up. But I think one thing that I have heard as well from all of these callers who are all adults is I think Lisa, you actually mentioned this is being able to gain a vocabulary for a way to have these kinds of conversations. And I know that for me, I mean, I saw Inside out one as an adult, but it still really resonated with me and Lisa, for you, I'm wondering how are you finding adults able to connect to this story so well? What about it to you do you think resonates so much for the adult crowd?

I think the piece and one of your colleagues mentioned this about being reassured that their kid is functioning normally, even if their kid is having very strong overreactions. I think we're so anxious about teenagers, as we should be right now, especially in the wake of the pandemic, that we've a bit lost the thread about what's typical and expectable in adolescence. And it's actually very expectable that their feelings are really, really intense at times. And also, I think a lot of parents are going to feel great reassurance that they're not alone in what they're experiencing in terms of feeling like they miss their little kid or they wonder why this happened overnight or feeling kind of rejected. Personally, it's very isolating to be the parent of a teenager. Your kid is changing, your relationship is changing, you're not sure if it's all okay. And for Pixar to put up on the big screen what we see in so many homes in the course of typical development that is challenging but healthy and expectable is a real, a real service to families.

Inside Out 2 is in theaters now. I've been speaking with psychologist Dr. Lisa D', Amore, who consulted on the film, and one of the film's writers, Dave Holstein. Thank you both so much for hanging out with us. Really appreciate it.

[Dave Holstein (Writer of Inside Out 2)]

Thanks so much for having us.

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I've been hitting up McDonald's for years now. It's back. We need snack wraps. What's a snack wrap? It's the return of something great. Snack wrap is back.