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This is all of it on wnyc. I'm David Fuerst in for Alison Stewart. Our next guest is a key part of one of the most popular TV shows of the last decade. One of a group of characters from Hawkins, Indiana, that a generation of viewers has grown up with. Gaten Matarazzo is Dustin Henderson on Stranger Things. You may know Dustin as a nerdy, funny jokester, but in season five, Dustin is in a different place. The smile is gone. He's in a fighting mood as he processes his grief from what happened in season four. Dustin remains a key part of the group of characters fighting Vecna in the Upside down, all the While basking in the 80s nostalgia of the Stranger Things universe. The the first part of the final season is out now on Netflix. The second part drops on Christmas Day. The finale is on New Year's Eve. And Gaten Matarazzo is here now in the studio. Welcome.
B
Thank you so much for having me on, Chris. I appreciate it.
A
It is great to have you with us. And, you know, let's talk about season five. How would you describe Dustin's state of mind to start this final season?
B
Oh, man. It's certainly a shift from what we'd seen from him in the prior seasons, which is really fun to play. It's something new and something that I was warned going into the early writing process of the show, which is really fun. I think it makes sense. I think a lot of kids who go through a grieving process tend to have a very dramatic, purposeful shift in the way that they behave or present themselves. And a lot of times it's. Whether it's a coping mechanism or it's a wall being built up, I think it's a really interesting light to see him in, considering he's usually known as being kind of a glue figure for the group that's around him. And he loves very fiercely, and I think that's part of the reason as to why he finds himself in a pretty dark place. It's because he loves so fiercely. You know, the more you love, the harder you. You grieve. And that's kind of a place that he's been settling into, which is tough, tough to watch.
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You've been exploring this character for quite some time now, a big part of your life. What has been your favorite part of playing Dustin through the years?
B
Oh, man. I think, weirdly enough, it's just the consistency of it. It's really hard to. It's not very often that working actors get to be a part of something that runs as long as this and gives you an opportunity to work on a character and learn from a character over the course of around a decade. That's just. It's incredibly rare and it's an absolute treat. And I don't think I'll ever be able to have as much time with the character as I have as I've had with Dustin specifically. And also being able to play him through my formative years and through his formative years has been a real blessing that I'm gonna miss tremendously and already do. It still feels very present. We haven't finished the release and we have a lot more to do as far as promoting the show and people still seeing the rest of it. But it will definitely be a tough thing to let go of consistently.
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Absolutely, I'm sure. And listeners, if you'd like to join this conversation, we would love to hear from you. This is your chance to talk to Gaten Matarazzo. If you have a question about Gaten or about his character Dustin in Stranger Things, call us or text us the number. 212-433-9692. That's 212-433-WNYC. And without giving too much away, what can you tell us about the issues that Dustin is trying to work through this season?
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Oh, man. That's tough to do. Yeah, I have to teeter a bit of a line there, but I'll try it. Oh, man. I think he comes from a very good place and he has very similar goals to everybody else around him. I think the only way I can go into explaining what season five looks like is if I spoil season four a tad right. Should I not do that? Maybe what I will say with being vague is that we end season four in a very different situation where we clearly pretty much lost. And that's rare and new. As far as the previous three seasons have gone, they usually end on a bit of a high note. There's some optimism with a little bit lurking there that leads into the crux of the next season. But in four, really, everything has gone wrong and that's kind of where we pick it up. And so he shares a common goal of trying to pick up the pieces of what's been lost in the last season and trying to get ahead and thrive through the biggest challenge they've had to deal with. But he's doing so in a way that is quite inflammatory and it not very productive because he doesn't really have much of a concern for working alongside his friends and he's in a bit of A. There's a lot of juxtaposition between they all have the same goals, but they want to go about getting there in very different ways. And usually when you don't have a consensus or a plan and communication, it doesn't seem to go very well. So that's kind of where the beginning of the season starts. And we see a shred of that going into part two.
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Let's talk about this group of kids. I was gonna say kids.
B
That's a loose term now. Kids.
A
We're not talking kids anymore.
B
I don't think so. No, we're not.
A
But for years it has been this core group. Right. Starting when you were kids. Finn Wolfhard, Noah Schnapp, Caleb McLaughlin, Millie Bobby Brown, and later on, Sadie Sink.
B
Yes, indeed.
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Why do you think this group worked so well together on screen over the years?
B
That's a really good question. There was a lot of emphasis early on in ensuring that we had all developed a very strong relationship with each other before the filming process started, even though we didn't have a lot of time. But kids are better at that. I think what I noticed with kids and what I remember going in and what I remember from my own childhood is kids are very good at going up to each other and just saying, can I be your friend? And. And then it kind of takes off from there. And adults don't tend to do that very well. So creating a bit of a group that has a lot of chemistry and excitement and even a lot of history that you haven't quite seen is a lot easier to do at 12, I think. And that contributed a lot to creating a dynamic that feels developed and that's really, really fun, and I think helped us along the way. And Sadie joining in season two was seamless as ever. She's not only so talented, but was such a wonderful addition to the cast when she joined. And some of us, Caleb and I already knew her because of our prior work in the theater here in New York, where we had all met each other before filming Stranger Things, even before the show had even been brought to us. So that was. That made it easier.
A
I want to get to a question that we're getting here in just a moment, please. But did you guys screen test altogether.
B
At any point during the Never All Together? And we never actually really screened it. We had chemistry reads more than anything. The creators had us sit in the room and do some of the scenes that they had written to see if there was a spark that they liked. And so I read with Finn and a few other Mikes who were in at the time. I was reading for some other characters, but really I only read with Finn before being cast in the show. And so it was kind of just the hope that it would work out. And the. The other actor who I would work with the most in season one was Caleb. And they didn't know that we had been buddies from our prior work in the theater beforehand. So that helped.
A
That helped. Well, it certainly worked out pretty well.
B
Yeah, I think so.
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And you're talking about your work in the theater. We have a question here, by the way. If you want to send in a question or call 212-433-9692. That's 212-433-WNYC text right here. Hey, Gaten, Any upcoming Broadway shows? Loved you.
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That's very nice. Thank you so much. I would love to do something in the theater. I don't have anything lined up specifically on Broadway at the moment. It's weirdly enough, the hardest thing about getting on stage is finding the time to do it because there's always a long rehearsal process and you want to hunker down for a run that is long enough to where announcing that you're gonna be in a show makes sense because there are some times people jump in for a show for like, three weeks, and I just. I don't think it's enough time to really sink your teeth in. I would love to be. I would love to contribute to a show for a good while. So there are a few things that are very early on in the process, but I would love to be on a stage of some kind, maybe hopefully several times throughout the next year. It's a resolution of mine.
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We are speaking with Gaten Matarazzo, the actor who plays Dustin in Stranger Things. And you're making some resolutions here today.
B
Yes, indeed. This is out into the world.
A
This is all of it on wnyc. When did you. You know, you obviously got started very young as an actor. When did you realize growing up that you wanted to be an actor?
B
It was a pretty slow process. A pretty kind of just domino effect. It was more of a hobby. It was. I was at an. I was seven years old when I started auditioning to work in things professionally. And that was. It was really just a continuation of me figuring out how I was gonna fill my time. After school, we tried soccer. I did not take to it. You can ask my dad. It was horribly embarrassing. But I just love. I'd been singing my whole life. And anything that my mom. The way my mom Taught us to entertain ourselves. Growing up was through music. She sang to us constantly. She sang in church choir and we would attend with her. And so we grew up singing a lot. All the shows that I watched growing up were musically a lot of Sesame Street, a lot of Barney. And so there was music kind of just was there constantly throughout our lives growing up. And so it was kind of impossible for us not to gravitate towards it. And a really good way to get into the theater as a kid is through music, because there's lots of. There's lots of musicals that are looking to have kids work in them. And that was how I jumped in and started to enjoy it. And it just kind of fell into place. It was never a goal to be working, to be a working actor. It wasn't like a career pursuit at that age. But it inevitably fell into place when I was around nine years old and started booking consistently. And thankfully, I still have a deep love for it.
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I want to come to a musical moment right now from Stranger Things.
B
Oh, yikes.
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We sort of can't have this conversation without talking about one of, if not the most iconic scenes in the show between Susie Poo.
B
Yes, indeed.
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And dusty bun classic 63 million views on YouTube last week.
B
Oh, does it really? Oh, that.
A
I mean, it's probably 73 by now, but let's talk about this moment, then we'll listen to it. What was your reaction when you first learned about this plot point in Dustin's story? Remind us who Susie is to Dustin and why he ends up singing with her.
B
So Susie is Dustin's long term girlfriend, which is way harder in 1984 or 85. At that point, it's kind of hard to communicate long distance. So good on them, but they communicate through their homemade ham radios. And there's a crux that we find ourselves in. I've said that word twice in this interview. That's crazy. It feels like my word of the day. But there's a situation they find themselves in where they need to remember Plank's constant, and Dustin, for some reason, can't seem to remember it. And the one person he knows that Will is his girlfriend from Utah. And so he communicates with her. She doesn't know the context, doesn't know the urgency of the situation, and she refuses to give him Planck's constant unless they sing their song together. And he is being broadcasted to his entire friend group while it happens. And it is horribly embarrassing.
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Well, let's take a listen.
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Okay, turn around. Yikes. Look at what you See.
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In her face the mirror of your dream.
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Nick.
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Believe I'm everywhere Giving in the light.
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Written on the pages is the answer to a never ending story. Reach the stars.
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I mean, I want to just let it run and run.
B
It's fun.
A
Yeah, you're squirming listening to it, but how can you not smile listening to this?
B
I think I'm entering a phase now where I can look at it less with less embarrassment and more appreciation. I find it quite cute.
A
Why do you think this scene is so iconic in Stranger Things lore?
B
I think it's just. I'm trying to think of a great word to use because it's very unexpected and it's a very bold choice for the creators to go because the whole. It's like the finale of the season and everything's going at breakneck speed. And they always joked around with me that, like, we're gonna get you to sing in the show. Just watch. I'm like, good luck with that. That would ruin the show if you ever got me to sing in the show. And I think it was just a way for them to prove to me and to themselves that they could find a way to have me sing in the show that didn't come across as just completely out of place. And it's insane that it works. And I think it's so funny because it underscores the rest of everything going on that cuts between the rest of the gang on their own personal missions listening to it. And I think that that's tremendously funny. It's just bizarre. And it's such a fun way to wrap up that season, specifically because it really is, at least aesthetically like the black sheep of the bunch where it's so wildly different from the other seasons. The way that it looks and feels, it's bright, it's neon. It kind of brings like the Duran Duran feel of the 80s to the show that we hadn't really jumped into yet. And I think it's quite fun.
A
Well, you know, 63 million views. I mean, can't be wrong. It didn't ruin the show.
B
This is good to hear. I'm happy to know this.
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We have to take a quick break if you want to join this conversation. Here's the number. We're going to get to some of your questions in just a moment. 212-443-39692. Our guest is Gaten Matarazzo, the actor who plays Dustin in Stranger Things. This is all of it on wnyc. This is all of it on wnyc. I'm David Fuerst, and for Alison Stewart today, our guest is Gaten Matarazzo, the actor who plays Dustin in Stranger Things. And we're going to get to some of your questions right now. If you want to text us a or call us, it's 212-433-WNYC. That's 212-433-9692. And one text question here. How much fun did you have getting to play such a different vibe than normal this season? It looked fun.
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Oh, it's great. David. I completely. I called you Chris when the segment started. I don't know why I did that.
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I didn't even notice.
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I did. You just introduced yourself again. I went, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I did that. I'll go with Chris. I'm so sorry.
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I'll go with Chris in the next.
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Call me a different name that's not mine to make up for it. I'm horribly embarrassed. Forgive me. I'm so sorry. Okay. To answer the question. Forgive me. Of course. It was definitely a weird transition. It was a lot of fun to do because I had never been asked something of that, especially specifically in context of the character. And that's what was different. I love getting to play parts that I haven't before, and I like trying new things and I like being challenged throughout. I like being challenged when I am doing what I do for a living, which is very nice. But there was a weird balance. I didn't want to just completely change everything and feel like I was playing a different person. I wanted to be the guy that I had been for the past decade, just going through something else. And there's a lot of time that we don't see. I'm sure that it's quite a slow burn between the end of the fourth season and the beginning of the fifth that it's probably, I would assume something. They don't even notice anything has changed until it has. And it's one of those things that, like, one thing leads to another and you kind of pick up right in the heat of it all.
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Well, that's interesting because over the course of all these years you're playing this continuing story arc, is it hard for you to just parachute back in?
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It can be.
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And become this guy again?
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Sometimes it is, because there is a lot of growth that happens between seasons. There's a lot that we. And that's part of the joy of the beginning of the season is you get to learn so much about what their past year and a Half, I think, looked like because you pick up when they've figured out their schedule and their mojo and their plan. And they've had a very consistent thing going over the past year and a half. And you learn that slowly. But jumping right back in and kind of trying to figure out the context of why we've all been ended up where we have is hard to feel. It's hard to make that feel nuanced and natural. And that's something I really enjoyed doing. But there was a lot of patience with it. And I remember early on the amount of questions that I had for Matt and Ross, the creators of the show. I can imagine they were just so annoyed with me constantly. I think they trusted me to do things properly, but I really wanted it to feel. I wanted to feel good. I wanted it to feel specifically like Dustin, which is, I think, essential to making something like that work. And that's why people miss the kid that they like. They miss their friend. They miss. I'm sure people who watch the show kind of miss the fun, loving nature that he brings to the prior seasons. And I think that's why it's been, for the most part, pretty effective up to this point.
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Let's take some calls right now. 212-433-9692. Randy in Greenwich, Connecticut. Welcome to all of.
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Hi. Thanks for taking my call. I just want to tell you, I never get your name right. Gaten.
B
Yeah, that's okay. You said it perfectly. Thank you so much.
C
Okay, so first of all, I don't really want to give away my age, but please do. I am close to 70 and I love the show. And after I just watched the fifth season, half of it, I said, oh, I better go watch the whole the beginning again. So I spent about three days watching the first four seasons, rewatched half of the fifth, so I'd be all ready for the second half.
B
Oh, good. I'm glad you did. There's a lot of good rewatch ability to it, so thank you for that.
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And did you have one thing I thought. I'm sorry, did you have a question?
B
Yes.
C
My question is, did you all ride bicycles so well or did you have to practice?
B
It's actually very funny that you bring this up because there's actually a funny story about this. They planned a few days to a week of bike of practicing riding on our bikes. And we showed up on the first day and all of us were completely fine on the bike because we were. We were 12 at the time, so we were still riding our bikes. Very consistently at home. So it ended up what was supposed to be bike training just ended up being us goofing off on a soundstage for a few hours on the bikes. And the biggest concern is they wanted to make sure we knew how to ride our bikes very well because we weren't wearing helmets, because it wasn't very common for kids in the 80s to wear helmets riding their bikes.
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My wife, the pediatrician's first thing she said when that when she saw everybody on bikes, of course, there's no helmets back there.
B
I always wore a helmet when I rode my bike at home. So that was the biggest concern. But all of us fared very well, though. Finn had some trouble because he had the biggest handlebars that we were not used to. So steering was a little tough for him at first, but we picked it up fairly well. And that's a very fun question.
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Yeah, that was a great one.
B
Thank you.
A
Great question. Thank you. We have another question here from text, coming in on text. Stranger Things is steeped in 80s nostalgia. Was there anything you were exposed to, like arcade games that you now enjoy? Jeff in Astoria asking?
B
Oh, yeah, that's a really good question. We were able to figure out exactly what our favorite games were from the time in season two because all of the. A lot of season two takes place in an old arcade. So there were plenty of classic games that were hooked up that people were playing while they shot background work. While we were doing our scenes, the arcade needed to look full and that people were actually playing the games and they actually just. You could just push the button and play all of them. So throughout lunch breaks, we would go and figure out what our favorite ones. And I took a liking to Galaga. I was pretty great at Ms. Pac man, weirdly enough. I'm terrible at Centipede, and I'm just. It scares me to this day. But Galaga's probably one of my favorites and the one I took. I didn't know that you could double up the ship. And once I found that out, I got very excited. A new world unlocked.
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Well, Ms. Pac man was definitely my go to classic back in the day. No question about it. Let's get to another phone call here for Gaten Matarazzo here on all of it on wnyc. He plays Dustin in Stranger Things and Anne in Rockville Center. Welcome.
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Oh, hi. I didn't really have a question. I just wanted to comment on the way the show was so successful is the character development of these kids. I mean, there's never an incident in the show where you're saying, oh, she wouldn't do that or he wouldn't do that. Dayton's character is changing. It's changing because of his authenticity in who he is and who he feels.
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Thank you.
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And you're like my favorite character because A, you're so adorable.
B
That's very nice of you. Thank you.
C
You're just cute and honestly, like the other woman. I'll tell you my age. I'm 83.
B
Wow.
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I love. I've been watching it and I'm also starting from the beginning again just to infuse it. And you always say, oh, man, I didn't remember that part.
B
I still do that in rewatches. I completely forget what the show is about sometimes. I'm really happy that you rewatch it. Thank you so much for watching it. That's incredible. It's so nice of you.
A
What a great comment. Thank you so much for calling in and following up on that. We have a text here. Someone says, hey, how much of your role felt real to who you are? Do you have a connection to the Dustin character and in what ways? Violet in Newark, New Jersey wants to.
B
Know you're in Newark. Amazing. I love Newark. It's an underrated town. But yeah, I feel especially earlier in the process of making the show, I think what was really fun about Dustin is that there were some ideas as to how he. About what he was going to be like. But as far as the rest of the characters, they really hadn't figured him out extensively. So a lot of the show in the early process of making it was just them writing around what they noticed in me, which is really, really fun and it made it very comfortable. So there's a lot of overlap there. I think we both deflect our anxieties in trying to make people laugh and through our humor. And that's there's some like mindedness there. And I think over the course of time as the show grows and as he starts to change, there's a bit more of a disconnect. And I actually find it a little bit harder to relate to him. And I think that we have as we've kind of also, I've just aged at an accelerated rate that he has because we've taken a good chunk of time between seasons. So I was accurately playing my age in the first season and then in the last one I was around 21, 22, playing 17, which isn't the craziest difference in the world, but it definitely changed it quite a bit. And I had to be A little bit more mindful about not just playing myself in the later seasons. So it became a bit of a challenge. But there's a lot of overlap.
A
I know we've been talking about your acting career, and we also heard you sing.
B
Oh, man. Sometimes.
A
Can we talk quickly about your band? Work in progress. This is a band that includes siblings. Is that right? Is the band still active?
B
We have not played in a very long time. Uh. Oh, no. They're actually. It's a good group of buddies who are. Who are great, and a lot of them still play music very consistently still. I remember that really just came about because I just wanted to sing some open mics with some friends, and my sister's voice is incredibly tailored to that style of music, much more than mine ever was. So a lot of times I was just kind of floating up there on stage with them as we went. And for some reason, we went out and started doing shows and stuff just because we had fun doing it. And that became a weird. It kind of flew under the radar, too. Thank goodness. I was. Oh, we were petrified by it. I don't even know why we ended up making our own. Our own music, too. It was just. It was not something that I gravitated towards naturally or anything I didn't have. I don't think it's something that I naturally do very, very well, but I had fun doing it.
A
Well, I'm clearly putting the band back together today.
B
This is it. This is what we're doing. This is perfect.
A
And I wanted to. Before we wrap up, I wanted to ask you about your work with CCD Smiles.
B
Sure. Yeah.
A
This is an organization that focuses on cleidocranial dysplasia.
B
Yes, it is.
A
Which you have.
B
Thank you.
A
A rare condition that affects teeth and bone. How did you want to get involved with ccd Smiles? And what would you like people to know about this organization?
B
It's a good question. The quarterback of this is Dr. Kelly Wasnick. She has a condition herself, and she has a practice in Utah. And she has dedicated so much of her time and her life into trying to develop an organization that could prioritize people with the condition. But it never really had a platform for people to really know it or really have access to learning about it, even medical professionals. It's one of those diseases that was so rare that maybe medical professionals had read it in a book in med school at some point, and that's usually how they would have to refer to it when getting a patient with it. There's no consensus of Care. And that's the biggest goal with ccd. Smiles. Once the show came out and once I met Kelly and a lot of other incredible people who work on our board and, and people who attend our conferences with ccd, the biggest goal that we've come to agreeing on is ensuring that when patients arrive to a clinic of some kind and they say they have cleidocranial dysplasia, then the doctor will either know what to do or know who to go to if they don't. Because you can't expect medical professionals to know how to treat every rare disease. It's just. It's a sub. Sub specialist that would be able to call themselves an expert on this condition. And now that we have a website and a beacon and a way to look, a way for people to just look it up through the show, it's very easy to. Now we've built a community around it and now we can kind of come up with what the next steps should look like. And it's quality of care and it's affordable care, which is more of a comment on how healthcare works here in the States, which is always a trudge when treating rare diseases. So that's just the next goal is to ensure that people don't have to feel anxious when approaching the beginning of care, which happens in childhood.
A
Well, thank you so much for telling us about.
B
Thank you for letting me talk about.
A
It and so many other things I want to talk to you about, but we're running out of time here. I wanted to talk about the New Jersey connection.
B
Oh, yes, indeed.
A
You grew up in Little Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey.
B
Yes, I did.
A
But just to wrap up here, let's just wrap up talking about this final, final moment with Stranger Things.
B
I would love to.
A
What do you hope is the ultimate legacy of Stranger Things and your character, Dustin, in TV and amongst your generation?
B
That's a really good question. It's hard to know what you want that to look like when a show has been so present. You don't think about the future impact it may have, or you don't think about how people will look back on it in a microcosm. Not a microcosm, but in a completed package of 1 through 5. Here's the start and the finish, and let's see how people sit with that over the years. I would love to see it because the show is centered around nostalgia and bringing people kind of back to a time in which they grew up. And that's why people seem to gravitate towards it initially. And I Would love to see another wave of that eventually. The way a lot of incredible shows have already. Who knows? I would love for people who are around my age who grew up with the show to be able to show their kids and talk about how much fun they had watching it and growing up with it. So I would love to see that second wave of nostalgia around a show that sounds like a bit of a hat on a hat because it's quite nostalgia on nostalgia, nostalgia on nostalgia and see if that can keep growing. But I hope it's a comfort show for people. I hope that it feels good to watch because it feels good to make.
A
And just closing. Next time you're back in, we'll have to talk more about your New Jersey connection.
B
I always love to.
A
Do you bring any Jersey attitude to your.
B
I think that even if I don't realize that I do. Sometimes people tell me that my jersey comes out, especially when I get frustrated. They can hear it in the voice a little bit, but the accent's different cause I'm from South Jersey. So it's more of a Philly adjacent type accent. Absolutely right.
A
Because Little Leg Harbor Township, New Jersey, that's down by the very southern end of Barnegat Bay.
B
Yes, yes. Right at the very. Like this very southern tip of ocean county, about 10 or 15 minutes inland and south of the exit to Long Beach Island. So that's where I live.
A
Wonderful location.
B
It's great. Beautiful.
A
We hope to be able to claim you as a future member of the New Jersey hall of Fame.
B
Hey, that could be fun. Who knows? I feel like New Jersey people are mad at me considering I live in the city now because most of my work is up here. But I do love where I'm from.
A
We can't stay mad at you.
B
Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate it. I understand the frustration.
A
Our guest has been actor Gaten Matarazzo. He is Dusty Henderson on Stranger Things. The final season is airing now on Netflix. Thank you for being here, Gabe.
B
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
A
And let's go out on some music from your band. Works in progress.
B
No way. Which one?
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This is wasting my time.
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Date: December 16, 2025<br>Host: David Fuerst (in for Alison Stewart), WNYC<br>Guest: Gaten Matarazzo
This episode of WNYC’s "All Of It" is a cultural deep dive with Gaten Matarazzo, beloved for his role as Dustin Henderson on the hit series "Stranger Things." As the first half of the final season streams on Netflix (with the finale looming), David Fuerst interviews Gaten about his character’s emotional journey, camaraderie among the cast, his musical background, work in theater, advocacy work, and growing up as part of a cultural phenomenon.
Emotional Shift:
Gaten describes Dustin as entering a darker, more troubled phase in Season 5, a dramatic change from his previously lighthearted persona.
Quote (01:18):
"It's certainly a shift from what we'd seen from him in prior seasons ... I think a lot of kids who go through a grieving process tend to have a very dramatic, purposeful shift in the way that they behave or present themselves ... The more you love, the harder you grieve. And that's kind of a place he's been settling into, which is tough, tough to watch."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Repairing the Past:
Dustin is grappling with the group’s first true defeat in Season 4 and is struggling to work toward recovery.
Quote (04:25):
"We end season four in a very different situation where we clearly pretty much lost ... he shares a common goal of trying to pick up the pieces ... but he's doing so in a way that is quite inflammatory and not very productive ... they want to go about getting there in very different ways."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Strong Connections from the Start:
The core cast’s dynamic was deliberately fostered early on, taking advantage of youthful openness to friendship.
Quote (06:00):
"Kids are very good at going up to each other and just saying, can I be your friend?... creating a bit of a group that has a lot of chemistry ... is a lot easier to do at 12, I think."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Prior Theater Bonds:
Gaten, Caleb McLaughlin, and Sadie Sink all knew each other from New York theater, which made their on-screen rapport seamless.
Quote (07:05):
"Caleb and I already knew her (Sadie Sink) because of our prior work in the theater here in New York ... That made it easier."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Chemistry Reads Instead of Group Screen Tests:
The show’s creators used one-on-one chemistry reads, taking a leap of faith on group chemistry.
Quote (07:58):
"We had chemistry reads more than anything ... I only read with Finn before being cast in the show ... The other actor who I would work with the most in season one was Caleb. And they didn't know that we had been buddies from our prior work in the theater."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Professional Longevity as Dustin:
Gaten reflects on the rare opportunity to play the same character over nearly a decade—a meaningful experience spanning the actor’s and character’s formative years.
Quote (02:26):
"It's incredibly rare and it's an absolute treat ... being able to play him through my formative years and through his formative years has been a real blessing that I'm gonna miss tremendously and already do."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
The Iconic Song:
Recalling the unforgettable "NeverEnding Story" duet with ‘Susie’—a moment of comic, unexpected levity in the show’s plot.
Quote (11:34):
"She (Susie) refuses to give him Planck's constant unless they sing their song together ... And he is being broadcasted to his entire friend group while it happens. It is horribly embarrassing."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
On the Scene’s Legacy:
Quote (13:12):
"I'm entering a phase now where I can look at it less with embarrassment and more appreciation. I find it quite cute."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Quote (14:10):
"It's very unexpected and it's a very bold choice for the creators to go ... They always joked around with me that, like, 'We're gonna get you to sing in the show.' Just watch ... And I think it was just a way for them to prove ... they could find a way to have me sing in the show that didn't come across as just completely out of place. And it's insane that it works."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
On Playing ‘Darker’ Dustin (15:51):
Gaten relished the challenge of taking Dustin to new emotional places, all while preserving his recognizable traits.
Quote:
"I wanted to be the guy that I had been for the past decade, just going through something else."
Re-Entering Character (17:14):
It can be difficult to pick up Dustin’s arc after time away, especially as the time between seasons and the characters’ aging become less aligned.
"There's a lot that we ... learn that slowly. But jumping right back in and ... trying to figure out the context ... It's hard to make that feel nuanced and natural ... I really wanted it to feel specifically like Dustin."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Bicycle Training Misadventures (19:53):
The cast didn’t really need bike lessons—they were already pros at age 12.
"All of us were completely fine ... So what was supposed to be bike training just ended up being us goofing off on a soundstage for a few hours ... The biggest concern is they wanted to make sure we knew how to ride our bikes very well because we weren't wearing helmets."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
80s Nostalgia – Arcade Games (21:12):
Gaten discovered a love for Galaga and Ms. Pac-Man while filming.
"We were able to figure out exactly what our favorite games were ... I took a liking to Galaga. I was pretty great at Ms. Pac man ... I'm terrible at Centipede."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Real-Life vs. Character:
In earlier seasons, Gaten and Dustin shared much overlap, as writers molded Dustin around Gaten’s real persona.
Quote (23:47):
"A lot of the show in the early process ... was just them writing around what they noticed in me ... There's a lot of overlap there. I think we both deflect our anxieties in trying to make people laugh and through our humor ... Over the course of time ... there's a bit more of a disconnect ... but there's a lot of overlap."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Broadway Plans (08:24):
Gaten hopes to return to theater, though current schedules are a challenge.
"I would love to do something in the theater ... The hardest thing about getting on stage is finding the time to do it ... There are a few things that are very early on in the process, but I would love to be on a stage ... It's a resolution of mine."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Family Band, "Work in Progress" (25:28):
Gaten reminisces about playing music with friends and family, including his sister.
"It was just ... not something that I gravitated towards naturally or anything I didn't have. I don't think it's something that I naturally do very, very well, but I had fun doing it."
"The quarterback of this is Dr. Kelly Wasnick. She has a condition herself ... developing an organization ... never really had a platform ... there's no consensus of care. And that's the biggest goal with CCD Smiles."
"Now we've built a community ... and now we can ... ensure that people don't have to feel anxious when approaching the beginning of care, which happens in childhood."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
Looking Forward (29:09):
Gaten hopes the show herds in "nostalgia on nostalgia"—encouraging future generations to experience "Stranger Things" as a comfort show.
"I would love for people who are around my age who grew up with the show to be able to show their kids and talk about how much fun they had watching it ... I hope it's a comfort show for people. I hope that it feels good to watch because it feels good to make."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
New Jersey Pride (30:31):
Gaten traces his roots to Little Egg Harbor Township and relishes both his South Jersey and New York connections.
"Sometimes people tell me my jersey comes out, especially when I get frustrated ... it's more of a Philly-adjacent type accent."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
On Losing in Season 4 (03:53):
"We end season four in a very different situation where we clearly pretty much lost. And that's rare and new."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
On Iconic Musical Moment (13:12):
"I'm entering a phase now where I can look at it less with embarrassment and more appreciation. I find it quite cute."
(Gaten Matarazzo)
On Cycling Training (19:53):
"We showed up on the first day and all of us were completely fine on the bike ... what was supposed to be bike training just ended up being us goofing off on a soundstage for a few hours."
On Passing Dustin Down Through Generations (29:18):
"I hope it's a comfort show for people. I hope that it feels good to watch because it feels good to make."
This episode offers a revealing, warm, and humorous portrait of Gaten Matarazzo as both an actor and a young man intimately shaped by his iconic "Stranger Things" role. Listener engagement, behind-the-scenes stories, and Gaten’s own authenticity and advocacy coalesce into a thoughtful discussion on growing up in the spotlight, processing real and fictional grief, and the enduring power of friendship—on screen and off.
“I hope it’s a comfort show for people. I hope that it feels good to watch because it feels good to make.”
— Gaten Matarazzo (29:18)