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It's Never Too Late to Start an Herb Garden
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We learn about the basics of starting an herb garden.
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McDonald's Customer
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Stephen Orr
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Stephen Orr
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Kate Hines
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Stephen Orr
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Kate Hines
This is all of it on wnyc. I'm Kate Hines in for Alison Stewart. It's the growing season, so maybe you are consumed right now by thoughts of planting fresh tomatoes or sowing carrots from seed. But if you're looking to plant something that can be used year round, might I suggest a nice basil plant or mint or rosemary or even sage? Yes, herbs can be easy to grow. They can be adapted for the space challenged among us, and they come in super handy in the kitchen. Plus, we're facing the heat of the summer. A sprig of an herb can also bring out the best of a cold cocktail or mocktail. With me now to talk about growing your own is Stephen Orr. He is the editor in chief of Better Homes and Gardens, and he's also the author of the New American Herbal, an herb gardening book. Hi, Stephen. Welcome back to wnyc.
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Stephen Orr
Hi, Kate. It's nice to be back. Thank you. Herbs are my favorite topic.
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Kate Hines
They're an awesome topic, and I'm excited to get into it. But before we get into it, can you explain to us what actually is an herb and how it differs from a plant?
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Stephen Orr
I thought you might ask me that, and I'm glad you did, because herb. The definition of an herb is very imprecise. The broadest accepted definition is a plant that is useful to humans. So it's a plant that is something where we use it for something. So it's almost like a domesticated animal in a way. There's a really strong relationship between plants for thousands of years, where humans have cultivated them for use. So the broadest range, the ones we think about the most, are culinary, like thyme, rosemary, basil. The other ones are Medicinal. Those could be things like lungwort or could be anything that you take for health. Then there's also things like linen, cotton, anything used in industry, linseed oil. Then you could even say, well, aren't vegetables herbs? And then people start to. It all starts to fall apart.
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Kate Hines
So we won't kick the tires that hard on it then.
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Stephen Orr
Really, it's when try to define it, it gets kind of fuzzy on the edges. But the main part of what herbs. When people say herbs, what they're mainly talking about is culinary herbs and medicinal herbs. And then they kind of leave the rest off to the side.
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Kate Hines
So why. I mean, to me, this is self evident since I'm a huge home gardener, but why should we consider growing fresh herbs versus just buying something in a plastic clamshell from the grocery store? Is the taste really that much better?
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Stephen Orr
I mean, I think it is, and it depends on how you grow them and where you grow them. But also, you're, you know, you said plastic clamshell. You're not using a plastic clamshell, and you're not having to pay or have the footprint of having those herbs shipped around wherever they come from. So I personally always recommend to anyone, especially new gardeners, I think there's no bigger bang for your buck than herbs, because even vegetables, as anyone who's had a few tomato plants on a fire escape or whatever, I think that's illegal. So don't say that. But we don't want to do that. We don't want to aid. But if anyone has any tomato plants outside in the city, you know, you get some tomatoes, you know, you might get a lot of cherry tomatoes or. But you don't get a ton. You're not going to live off of it. Herbs, you just need a little snippet. And so I think for this, for the space they take up, herbs are the most productive. When I had my first little roof garden in Chelsea in the early 90s, the first thing I put out there was a windowsill, a box of herbs, you know, and I use them. And so a little clip of rosemary flavors, a whole dish, a little bit of basil. So they're just for super useful for this, for the, for the space they take up.
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Kate Hines
Well, I want to open the phones to listeners who may have questions or tips for other fellow listeners. Do you grow any herbs in your yard or apartment? We want to hear what you're growing and how it's going. Call us or text us at 212-433-WNYC. That's 212-433-969 or you can reach us on social media. LLNYC. And we have a text from a listener now who says basil is easy. I need help with growing cilantro, please.
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Stephen Orr
Oh, yeah. Well, basil and cilantro have the same problem in that they want to bloom, which in plants like that we eat or, you know, plants like this is called bolting. And, yeah, bolting happens when the plant. These are both annuals. Basil and cilantro are both annuals and they both tend to. They're programmed to want to procreate, so they want to bloom. What makes them want to bloom most is heat. So I think what your listener is describing is cilantro bolts quickly and goes fast, and it really does do that. So one way to get around that is to continually just be on top of it, cutting any flowering stalks that are coming up before they flower. Just keep cutting the flower stalks. At some point, you're probably going to lose your battle with cilantro and it will just kind of expire. One other thing you can do is kind of succession, sow it. So the seeds are, you know, the seeds are actually just as a fun fact, the seeds of cilantro are actually coriander. So the spice coriander that in the United States we call coriander is the seed, while we call the leaves cilantro in England, when they say coriander, they mean both the seeds and the leaf. But so you can, you can take those large round seeds and you can put them in over a period of weeks. So you get a succession of cilantro harvest. So that extends it a little bit. And what the plant's trying to do is make a flower and then make seeds and then it dies. So that's what it's trying to do. And the heat makes it feel like it needs to speed up.
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Kate Hines
So let's say we want to start an herb garden this summer. What are the first few important steps? What should we be considering?
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Stephen Orr
Well, if you're starting it, I mean, a great way to grow herbs. The easiest way to grow herbs is in pots. Herbs. And, you know, I'm speaking very generally about a huge range of plants. There are tropical herbs like ginger. There are many of the ones we think of are European, Mediterranean type herbs. I try to put those in two groups, the annuals, like we mentioned, basil and cilantro. But then there's also the perennials that have woody stems like thyme and rosemary and savory. Those plants will overwinter their perennials. So Those plants you do want to have really good drainage. They like good winter drainage. Nothing kills a Mediterranean herbal faster than sitting there in the wet all winter with poor drainage. So if you have an in ground, let's say you have a house somewhere and you have a garden, you want to make it turn into herbs, you want to make sure the drainage is really great, and you want to add some sand or make sure that if it's heavy clay soil, bring in some extra topsoil and put that in with some sand. So a sandy mix will work really well. The same kind of goes for a pot, but since pots are elevated, you can use ordinary potting soil and that will be fine for most herbs. Herbs really love drainage, so a pot is great. One of the pots I love a lot. Do you know, Kate, what a strawberry pot is?
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Kate Hines
Yes, sure. With the holes with the openings on the sides.
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Stephen Orr
Yeah, and they're beautiful. And there can be some really pretty ones. They come glazed sometimes or a nice terracotta color. Those little pockets are fun to put herbs in. And you can put your taller herbs, like maybe basil and stuff on the top and then have maybe a trailing rosemary or a thyme coming out the side. Those are really nice ways to grow herbs that way.
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Kate Hines
We got a text from a listener who is in favor of growing mint. They write, it's easy. I let it take over a whole section of my sunny front yard. Indian mint sauce, mint tea, mint and salads. Love it. I wish people would stop telling me it takes over, because I know that that's why I let it take over. And it's true. If you plant mint, a little bit of mint, you're going to have a lot of mint very quickly.
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Stephen Orr
I know. I kind of. I agree with your texture because I don't put it in the ground. I'm scared to put it in the ground just for me. And also anyone who has gardens where I live later, they might curse me. But I put it in a large pot and I can't get enough mint because I use it all the time. I use mint every day for tea or iced tea or for something, a salad. So I agree with your listener. I can't have enough mint. But I do think mint is one of those things will go along for a while, and then there'll be a year where suddenly it really has taken over. All those roots have taken over your area, and it could be really hard to get rid of.
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Kate Hines
So a little mint goes a long way.
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Stephen Orr
It does. I don't know, maybe the listener can tell Us how long they've had the mint and check back with us in five years to see if there's.
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Kate Hines
They won't be able to because they'll be wrapped in mint.
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Stephen Orr
Exactly.
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Kate Hines
In terms of sunlight, how much direct sunlight do herbs need to really grow beautifully?
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Stephen Orr
Herbs, most herbs, as I'm saying, it's a broad group of plants, but we're talking. There's not a lot of edible herbs that grow in the shade that well. So mainly it's sun. They like full sun. You know, think of a, when I, when I want to think about where my herbs want to be. You know, typically, like many of us in the summer, they like to be on a hillside above the Mediterranean. You know, that's what they like. They same. So rosemary, thyme, marjoram, a lot sage. A lot of those herbs like to be very sunny most of the day. So the more sun you can give them, the better. One thing I want to mention is you don't really want to fertilize your herbs much at all. I do think basil and other herbs enjoy some fertilizer a little bit, but you don't have to. If you over fertilize your herbs, you're taking out the power which is the essential oils of those leaves. Those are concentrated by these plants that grow in very poor soil conditions. A lot of the Mediterranean herbs grow in very poor soil conditions, like a hillside above the Mediterranean. And so the flavor gets really concentrated when they're grown. What I call kind of hard instead of soft. You don't want a lot of soft growth. You want the growth to be tight and all those essential oils to be locked into the leaves. So I don't use any fertilizer on my, I don't add fertilizer. You know, there'll be some nutrients in the potting soil or whatever, but I don't add more fertilizer.
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Kate Hines
We've got a couple of questions from listeners and I want to talk now to Harold in Brooklyn. Hi Harold, you're on all of it.
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McDonald's Employee
Oh, woohoo.
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Harold (Listener Caller)
Long time. Thanks for taking my call. I was just wondering because I grow fruiting vegetables indoors and outdoors, but my herb garden, I lost a couple starts this year and I was wondering, is it too late to plant herbs from seed outdoors or should I just go pick them up at the nursery?
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Stephen Orr
Would you have any. Do you know what herbs you want to, you want to grow from seed or just in general?
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Harold (Listener Caller)
Yeah, well, I have a lot of seeds, but I just happen to lose some starts in the transplant because I Start indoors, hydroponically, and transplant outdoors.
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Stephen Orr
Oh, gotcha. So things like basil, cilantro, as I mentioned, chives, there's a lot you can still sow. I just created an herb garden in my garden yesterday. My first dedicated herb garden. That's how much of an herb nerd I am. And I'll be sowing basil seeds in there. I'll be sowing some borage, just mainly for how pretty the plant is. And that's what I'm kind of talking about. Succession sowing of herbs is really a great practice because, for instance, basil, if you sowed all the basil at the same time, you'd have a ton of pesto. But you might want to stagger that a little bit. So I personally sow many herb seeds you can sow, especially the soft, the annual ones. You can sow dill for the next several weeks.
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Kate Hines
Oh, that's. So it's not too late, Harold.
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Stephen Orr
You're in good shape, especially the annuals. Look on the back of the pack. And if it's an annual, you can keep doing it for a few weeks. And if it's a even thyme and other things, I always want to experiment, too. Give it a shot, you know, what are you. You're going to be out $3, right?
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Kate Hines
So we have another question coming in from Tex that starts help, all capital letters. My terrace face is mostly north with some west and a tad of east exposure. Super hard to grow anything edible I've found. Can I grow them indoors with grow lights? What is your stance on grow lights for indoor gardening, Steven?
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Stephen Orr
Well, yeah, they work. And you can grow herbs indoors with grow lights. You know, grow lights are often not the most beautiful thing, so finding a spot that you're okay looking at them is fine. Many of the herbs will do okay indoors. Herbs like basil do pretty well. Some of the herbs. This is summertime, too. Indoor herb gardens work really well in the summer when the window might be open a little bit. Keep remembering. They, you know, a lot of them want to be outside with the sea breezes or wherever they happen to live in nature. They want that environment. What I, you know, I used to always have herbs in my apartment on 19th Street. And the hard part was getting them through the winter. And anyone who's tried to bring a rosemary or other herb through the winter knows it'll kind of limp along and you think you got it. And then sometime in February, it just decides it can't take the radiator heat. It gives up, it clocks out. And, you know, I've Tried that so many times. So it really depends on how your house is. If you lived in an. Let's say you lived in an old drafty house in Brooklyn, Ditmas park, for instance, you might have a nice sunroom that they'd be happy in. If you live in a modern condo in or apartment on 6th Avenue and 26th street with, you know, central heat, you're going to have more trouble in the winter. But summertime, it's much more forgiving.
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Kate Hines
One thing I've noticed, Stephen, when I try to grow rosemary, things start out really well and then after a few weeks it gets like this white powder on the leaves.
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Stephen Orr
Yes, that could be anything. The white. Is that indoors?
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Kate Hines
Yes.
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Stephen Orr
Yeah. That's the other thing is indoor herbs are more prone to pests. Most herbs are not bothered by pests, but you might have mealy bugs or other things on there. Anytime you see anything weird on your plants, indoor plants, you know, giving them a really good shower in the sink if they're small or in the shower if they're bigger, is there, you know, with a, especially if you have a shower attachment or something you have with a little bit of a jet in the dish, you know, in your, in your kitchen sink, washing all that off repeatedly will help. So that's what I would advise on that. But that's another hazard of having them indoors. The closed environment makes them more susceptible to pests and funguses, too.
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Kate Hines
Oh, good. Funguses and pests. Let's talk to Joan in Brooklyn. Hi, Joan, you're on all of it.
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
Hi, how are you doing? Thanks for taking the call.
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Stephen Orr
Sure.
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Kate Hines
What's your question?
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
So my question, we have, over the last few years, we seem to have been attracting a huge number of whiteflies in our garden and we can't seem to get rid of them. We've tried soap and water, you know, all of the non toxic approaches. So this year we just have decided not to grow edibles so that we can try and keep the white fly population under control. And I'm wondering if you have any advice for us.
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Stephen Orr
So you're having wi fi problems outdoors and not indoors, right?
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
Yes, indoors, outdoors, outdoors. Yeah.
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Stephen Orr
I think, you know, I'm the same as you. I don't want to use, you know, I don't want to use chemical, you know, bad chemicals like malathion. And you can try. Have you tried neem oil at all?
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McDonald's Employee
Oh, I think Joan even bought ladybugs.
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Kate Hines
Oh, Joan's unleashed the ladybugs.
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
Yes. Yes.
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Kate Hines
Joan, did you try neem oil?
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McDonald's Employee
Hello.
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Kate Hines
Hi. Joan, did you try neem oil?
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
Hi.
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Kate Hines
Oh, I think we've lost Joan, but. Joan, thank you. Try neem oil. Let's.
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Stephen Orr
There's also. You can also try. You can also. There's. People have mixed feelings about some of these insecticidal soaps, but if you use a general amount of, like, a little tiny bit of pyrethrum or something that's, you know, it's from a plant, but it is poisonous, so you just have to weigh. I'm curious why they have so much white. Fly outdoors. They might be in a very secluded area that's, you know, maybe very moist or something with not a lot of airflow.
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Kate Hines
Let's talk now to Naomi in Brooklyn. Hi, Naomi. Welcome to all of it.
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
Hi. Love your show.
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Kate Hines
Thank you.
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Joan / Naomi / Paula (Listener Callers)
I have a really basic question, and that is just where to snip the herbs from, like the top or bottom? Especially with basil, I never know whether it's. Which. Which part of the plant to cut from.
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Stephen Orr
Okay. Yeah, definitely the top. And you want to. And that's something I was mentioning. When the. When the basil plants start to bloom, like in August or July, when things get very hot, you'll start to notice the plant growing quite quickly, and it starts to put up little flower buds at the top. Those are the ones you want to keep consistently pulling off with your. With your fingers or snippers. You can come down as far as you want, depending on how much you want to take. But you know how the leaf. The leaf nodes, where the leaves come out, you want to clip right above the leaf nodes. So if you want a bigger piece, you can go two or three down. If you just want the top, you can take down to the first leaf node, and that way you're helping the plant branch. You'll notice, even this time of year, if you buy basil plants, you might want to go ahead and snip them back. Snip them back by half, and that'll create a fuller plant in a few weeks because you'll have multiple stems.
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Kate Hines
And is that good advice for most herbs across the board to keep sort of pinching them back to encourage them to be a little bushier as opposed to leggy?
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Stephen Orr
It does. It works. What I tend to do for the woody ones I mentioned earlier, like thyme and sage or santolina or rosemary, is those tend to get leggy often at the end of the season, and I leave them, and then in the springtime, I give them a good cut back, and that encourages a flush so that they fill out and they're not. Because what'll happen is you'll get kind of a woody middle with a lot of old stems in the middle. So if you keep cutting that back in the spring. So I'd say the woody herbs, it's like a spring thing. The summer ones, it's kind of a constant dill. You can keep cutting dill back, a few nodes. Anything you want to have, it's kind of cut and come again. It's almost like lettuce or other things.
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Kate Hines
We have a question from Paula in Manhattan, and it sounds like Paula wants to take a vacation while growing herbs. Hi, Paula.
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McDonald's Employee
Hi. Yes, I have so many questions. That's one of them is what do I do in my herb garden? What do I do with my herb garden when I go away for a week or two? But that's only one question. The other one is I've tried. I have a nice western window, so I get afternoon sun and I've tried to germinate seeds and then they get spindly and then they die. So I'm not doing something right. And the other thing is, I wondered if I can only try to be successful in the summer. Is the winter kind of a no go? And what about those hydroponic contraptions that you see, those round things that you. Is that something that I could use in the winter?
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Kate Hines
Okay, we got a lot here, so let's risk stratify.
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Stephen Orr
Let me see if I can do it.
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Kate Hines
I wrote it down. So if you need an assist, Stephen, let me know.
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Stephen Orr
Let me see if I can try it. It's a good memory gain, I think, working backwards. Hydroponics are the things that are going to help you when you're traveling. Otherwise you need to phone a friend and have them stop in your apartment or if you have a nice building where you know your neighbors drop your herb garden off, if it's transportable, see if your neighbor will water it. A week or two and you'd return the favor. That's what works in New York City a lot for me. The other thing would be hydroponics are something that, once again, it takes up a lot of counter space, especially New York apartments. They're not always the most attractive, but I think they do the job. I haven't used one before, but I know friends who have them and they have a regular harvest of herbs or lettuce and they love it. The other one about the. I didn't hear the word that you said you're trying to germinate. Did we get the word?
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Kate Hines
I don't know that she said. She said she's trying to germinate seeds, and they last for a couple of weeks and then they die. But I don't know that she named the plant.
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Stephen Orr
Well, one thing I would say is if you have a west window especially, and it has glass on it, the glass magnifies the sunlight. So any plants in your apartment or house, you need to be careful in the summertime that you probably move them away from the window a little bit and to an area where maybe they're getting less sun and more bright, indirect light, or they might be getting a little bit of sun and then not solid because they can burn. It can get super hot and super strong. I don't know. She might be frying her seedlings in the western window. That sounds kind of poetic in a way, but if that's what's happening, that the seedlings are right in the window and the sun is really strong and it's magnified a bit by the glass, and maybe it's frying them a little. I would say mainly it seems like they need more water. And one way to water that people like is if you're watering seedlings, put them in a tray of water so the water comes from below and you're not putting a ton of forceful water on top.
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Kate Hines
We just have a couple of minutes left. So I wanted to get into the cooking side of herb growing and to see if you could just throw out some basic recipes or ways we might want to use herbs that go beyond pesto.
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Stephen Orr
Well, and I just want to say pesto for a minute. You know, people use the term pesto, and what they mean is basil pesto, right? And they mean the classic basil, pine nuts, parmesan, that thing you can make pestos with sage. You can make pestos with parsley. I made a great Italian salsa verde the other night. That is a parsley. You know, parsley gets a bad rap. I love parsley. You know, people think it's basic. I love parsley. It has a strong green flavor. I had a lot of parsley. I made a salsa verde in the. In the minutes in the food processor. It's parsley, capers, lemon, olive oil, maybe a pinch of red pepper if you want it. This one I added basil to, which gives it a nice other flavor other than the parsley as well. That's a great kind of salsa, a green salsa. You could also do something where you take. One of my favorite herbs is marjoram. I feel like marjoram is a neglected herb. It's a Very perfumey type of oregano. It doesn't have the pizza flavor of oregano. It has a more perfumey flavor that's perfect for any grilled vegetables or grilled chicken. And I love rosemary, as you're saying, for grilled fish. And tarragon, I think, is an underused herb, too. It has a bit of a. I think it's a very fine anise flavor, a little bit of licorice, but it also works really well with chicken salad. Really good with chicken, really good on fish. I can't get enough of tarragon, so I love that as well.
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Kate Hines
Stephen, maybe you can settle a debate I'm having with a friend. Are bay leaves really flavorful or are they just a conspiracy to make us.
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Stephen Orr
Kate, you're getting me right where I live here with this, the bay leaf. Bay leaf is so important. So it's a. You know, it's Laurus nobilis is the Latin name. It's the bay leaf from the crown, you know, that ancient Greeks and Romans would wear as an honor. It has such a wonderful fragrance. I think if you're not tasting bay, you're using old bay leaves. The fresh. You know, you can grow bay as a plant, too, in your house, and it makes a really nice house plant. And the bay leaf fresh is even more transporting. It's got a green flavor, but, you know, just make sure you're getting fresh herbs.
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Kate Hines
I'll give it a try. We've been speaking with Stephen Orr, the editor in chief of Better Homes and Gardens and the author of the New American An Herb Gardening book. Stephen, thank you so much for joining us.
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Stephen Orr
Thank you, Kate.
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Kate Hines
And coming up next, Photoville's yearly exhibition of public photography launches. This weekend, we'll speak with its executive director about its 13th year, as well as hear from one of the featured photographers. This is all of it. Stay with us.
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Stephen Orr
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