All Of It: Episode Summary – Jess Walter Tackles Conspiracy Theories in 'So Far Gone'

Host: Alison Stewart
Guest: Jess Walter, Award-Winning Author
Release Date: June 16, 2025

Introduction to 'So Far Gone'

In this episode of ALL OF IT, host Alison Stewart welcomes acclaimed author Jess Walter to discuss his latest novel, So Far Gone. The book delves into contemporary politics and fractured personal relationships through the story of Reese Kinnick, a former reporter who retreats into seclusion after a heated altercation over conspiracy theories with his son-in-law.

Alison Stewart introduces the novel:

“Our main character is Reese Kinnick. He lives secluded in the middle of the woods. Like really secluded. No phone, no damn door plumbing. Kinnick is off the grid.” ([00:28])

Researching Conspiracy Theories

Jess Walter elaborates on his research process for portraying conspiracy theories authentically in the novel.

“Conspiracy thinking, which was on the fringe then in 1992, is really so much a part of the mainstream... We’ve reached a point where the fracturing of media has really made conspiracy thinking and conspiracy theories mainstream.” ([02:00])

He emphasizes the shift from fringe to widespread belief in conspiracies, citing examples like doubts about Barack Obama's birthplace and COVID-19 vaccine microchips.

The Allure of Conspiracy Theories

When asked why people gravitate towards conspiracy theories, Walter responds:

“They explain an inexplicable world by connecting things that really have no connection.” ([03:06])

He suggests that such theories provide simplistic explanations for complex personal and societal failures, leading characters like Reese and his son-in-law Shane down destructive paths.

Thematic Foundations: Thoreau's Influence

The novel opens with a Henry David Thoreau quote: "Not till we are lost, till we have lost the world, do we begin to find ourselves."

“It was a sort of thought experiment... What would happen if I took a character and just had him throw everything away.” ([04:06])

Walter uses this premise to explore themes of isolation, self-discovery, and the quest for reconciliation.

Structure and Character Development

The novel employs a unique chapter structure, each focusing on different characters’ perspectives:

“Each chapter is about what's happened to [character]. So, is Rhys so far gone? Is his son in law Shane, so far gone... Are Bethany's relationships so far gone?” ([05:34])

This format underscores the overarching question of whether individuals and society can redeem themselves from entrenched beliefs and behaviors.

Naming and Symbolism

The protagonist’s name, Reese Kinnick, was chosen for its hard consonant sounds, symbolizing pivotal moments of realization and change.

“The hard sounds in the name sort of represented for me that turning point, that sharpness that we find.” ([06:18])

Reading from 'So Far Gone'

Alison requests Jess Walter to read an excerpt from the novel, highlighting Reese's internal struggle and the complexities of his relationships with his grandchildren and friends. This passage illustrates Reese's grappling with loneliness and his attempts to reconnect.

“Rhys had confessed his love for Brian, Brian's wife... It was like he'd died if he didn't say something.” ([07:16])

The Role of Local Journalism

Walter underscores the critical importance of local journalism, both in the novel and real life.

“There’s a real crisis in local journalism... It’s such a valuable, important job. It’s such an important part of democracy.” ([11:27])

He laments the decline of local newsrooms and the rise of "news deserts," emphasizing how this loss contributes to societal fragmentation and the spread of misinformation.

Depiction of Far-Right Groups

The antagonist group in the novel, the Army of the Lord (AOL), embodies far-right conspiracy theorists. Walter injects humor into their portrayal while addressing serious themes.

“It cracked me up to imagine these tough guys... wondering if they've got mail.” ([14:10])

He explores how extremist groups misuse religion to propagate fear-based ideologies, linking their beliefs to broader historical and societal issues.

Incorporating COVID-19

So Far Gone spans from 2016 to the summer of 2024, integrating the COVID-19 pandemic to reflect its profound impact on society and personal lives.

“Writing about the pandemic... it was the first time we didn't have to look at our phone every day.” ([17:03])

Walter draws parallels between the enforced isolation during the pandemic and Reese’s self-imposed seclusion, highlighting themes of withdrawal and the necessity of re-engagement.

Setting the Pacific Northwest

The novel is deeply rooted in the Pacific Northwest, utilizing its unique geography and cultural landscape to enhance the story.

“Rhys has to cross the border into northern Idaho... and British Columbia, where he goes to the wildest music festival you've ever seen.” ([18:28])

Walter captures the region’s extremes, from remote compounds to off-grid communities, showcasing the diversity and tensions within the area.

Inspiration Behind 'So Far Gone'

Walter shares the personal and societal motivations behind writing the novel.

“I started feeling that dread... I needed to urge myself to come out of my metaphorical woods, to confront the world as it is.” ([19:40])

He aimed to create a narrative that balances humor and hope amidst the anxieties of modern life, reclaiming his "toxic optimism."

Conclusion and Upcoming Events

Alison Stewart wraps up the episode by informing listeners about Jess Walter's upcoming appearances at Symphony Space and the Center for Fiction in Brooklyn.

“Jess Walter will be at Symphony Space tonight and at the center for Fiction in Brooklyn tomorrow.” ([20:41])

Walter expresses his gratitude, and Alison thanks him for his insights.

This episode of ALL OF IT offers a comprehensive exploration of Jess Walter’s So Far Gone, blending discussions on conspiracy theories, the decline of local journalism, personal redemption, and the societal impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. Through engaging dialogue and thoughtful analysis, listeners gain a deep understanding of the novel’s themes and the real-world issues it mirrors.