Podcast Summary: All Of It with Alison Stewart
Episode: Mike Birbiglia on Emmy-Nominated Special
Date: September 13, 2024
Host: Alison Stewart, WNYC
Guest: Mike Birbiglia, comedian, writer, and creator of "The Old Man and the Pool"
Overview
In this episode, Alison Stewart sits down with Emmy-nominated comedian and writer Mike Birbiglia to discuss his special, “The Old Man and the Pool.” Birbiglia shares the creative process behind his acclaimed one-man show, touches on the intersection of humor and vulnerability, and reflects on life, health, mortality, and connection. The conversation also explores Birbiglia’s open style, how he crafts personal stories for the stage, and his experience appearing in Taylor Swift’s "Anti-Hero" music video.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
Breaking the Fourth Wall and Audience Interaction
- Mike loves addressing the audience directly, seeing each show as a collaborative, joyful experience:
“It is just joyous. I mean, it's just a joyous experience to do it every night with a different scene partner and the scene partner's your audience.”
— Mike Birbiglia (02:17)
Crafting Personal Material & Finding Universality
- Birbiglia writes an “unfiltered version” for his director and dramaturg, then refines it:
“The role often of a dramaturg is to hear what you're trying to convey and then say, well, what I'm getting from what you're saying is this.”
(03:00) - Comedy’s sweet spot:
“Sometimes it gets so personal that it's...no, that's just you. No one else is experiencing that. But the sweet spot, I think, for comedy, is finding something where people see themselves or hear themselves in the writing.”
(03:33)
Workshopping Material and Handling Failure
- Constantly testing pieces at the Comedy Cellar:
“It's very scientific. I'm pounding out the specific beats and punchlines to make sure that it's comedically sound.”
(05:40) - Unsuccessful jokes don’t sting:
“If something doesn't work, it oddly doesn't hurt my feelings... you can watch one of the best comedians in the world...and you can watch him die on stage.”
(06:20)
Writing as Coping and the Power of Vulnerability
- Journaling for perspective:
“I find that if you write down what you're saddest about or angriest about, you can start to see your own life as a story.”
(07:20) - Connecting via embarrassment:
“If you tell people the thing that you're most embarrassed about...typically, more often than not, people go, ‘Oh my God, I have something just like that.’”
(07:55)
Social Media, Image, and Vulnerability
- On #nofilter honesty:
“I think that my...role...one of the things I try to do with these shows is just do the—it's no filter. Hashtag no filter.”
(09:04) - Cultural shifts & self-curation:
“With people who are older...they're more comfortable telling stories about themselves that are compromising or show their flaws. With younger...the stories are smart, but maybe not revealing things that are vulnerable.”
(09:39) - The life-dysmorphia analogy:
“I think it might be creating...life experience dysmorphia, kind of like body dysmorphia, only for your life.”
— Alison Stewart (10:31)
Health, Parenthood, and Motivation
- Fatherhood changes the stakes regarding health:
“Now that I have a child, there is some part of me that when I'm getting news...I often just think of my daughter...and how much I took on myself when my parents were having health problems.”
(11:15)
Comedy and Mortality
- Laughing at death as catharsis:
“Why are we laughing when we talk about death? A lot of reasons. We're laughing because we're uncomfortable. We're laughing because it's all so absurd...”
(12:53) - Impact on audiences:
“Honestly, it's just a conversation starter...people saying, ‘this was so healing for me...I felt like I was laughing with my dad’...Or they brought their 12-year-old, and they could talk about things they weren't comfortable talking about before.”
(13:45) - Warren Zevon’s advice:
“Enjoy every sandwich.”
(15:13)
Pop Culture: Appearing in Taylor Swift’s “Anti-Hero” Video
- Big Swiftie—family bonding:
“When the ‘Folklore’ album came out, it was just a huge bonding thing for me and my daughter and my wife.”
(15:42) - Taylor’s casting method:
“She texted me, like, I think it would be funny if you wore a blonde wig and played my nightmare son.”
(16:06)
Notable Quotes & Timestamps
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On performing with the audience:
“It's just a joyous experience to do it every night with a different scene partner and the scene partner's your audience.”
— Mike Birbiglia (02:17) -
On the goal of vulnerability in comedy:
“The sweet spot...is finding something where people see themselves or hear themselves in the writing and...that’s why people are laughing.”
(03:33) -
On writing as a coping tool:
“When you see your own life as a story, sometimes you can zoom out and encourage the main character to make better decisions.”
(07:22) -
On laughter and mortality:
“We're laughing because it's all so absurd, you know, like life and death...and how we treat people's bodies after they died. All this stuff...”
(13:01) -
On the show’s impact:
“Our goal is to make people laugh for 80 minutes, but also to have some kind of call to action...we were finding that the call to action is typically like, I went home and I called my parents...or I told this person I love them...”
(14:30)
Key Segments & Timestamps
- [00:51] — Alison Stewart introduces Birbiglia and his one-man show, “The Old Man and the Pool.”
- [02:17]–[04:09] — Birbiglia on audience interaction, writing personal material, and his creative process.
- [05:13]–[06:54] — Workshopping at the Comedy Cellar and what he learns from failures on stage.
- [07:13]–[09:13] — Writing and journaling as therapy, audience connection through vulnerability.
- [09:13]–[10:53] — Cultural observations about storytelling and the impact of social media on vulnerability.
- [11:10]–[12:10] — Reflections on health, fatherhood, and personal motivation.
- [12:10]–[15:20] — The intersection of comedy and mortality, why we laugh at death, and the show’s emotional impact.
- [15:20]–[17:44] — Mike’s experience in Taylor Swift’s "Anti-Hero" video and family pop-culture bonding.
Memorable Moments
- A potent, funny, and moving exploration of why people laugh at taboo topics like death—and how it opens conversations with loved ones.
- "Enjoy every sandwich" as a refrain encapsulating the show’s life philosophy.
- Behind-the-scenes story of Mike being cast as Taylor Swift’s nightmare future son—a playful connection between comedy and pop stardom.
Tone & Style
Throughout, Birbiglia is candid, self-deprecating, and thoughtful, often using gentle humor to approach serious or uncomfortable personal subjects. Alison Stewart brings a warm, supportive touch, drawing out both the process and the humanity behind Birbiglia’s art.
This summary captures the essence and key insights for listeners interested in the craft of comedy, storytelling, and finding meaning (and humor) in the hardest parts of life.