
A recent Rolling Stone headline called Obongjayar “the Afrobeat innovator who can rock a stadium with no fear.”
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Tiffany Hansen
This is all of it. I'm Tiffany Hansen in for Alison Stewart. And now it's time for a listening party.
Obanjr
I think it's time. I think it Time High.
Tiffany Hansen
Is the first track from singer Obanjr Highly his highly anticipated sophomore album Paradise Now. Born and raised in Nigeria, he was very into hip hop. That is until he moved to the UK when he was about 17 years old and developed a strong appreciation for Nigeria's musical heritage. And then after a string of well received eps, he released his critically acclaimed debut Some Nights I Dream of doors that in 2022. Now Obanjr has returned with a new album that features some of his most intimate storytelling, focusing on themes such as self acceptance, grief, loneliness and what it means to live in the present. Pitchfork listed the project as one of the new 12 albums you should listen to right now. Paradise now is out now and singer Obanjayr joins us for a listening party ahead of his concert tonight at the Music hall of Williamsburg that happens at 8 o'. Clock. Obonjar, welcome to all of it. Hello, hello. Hello.
Obanjr
How are you?
Tiffany Hansen
I'm good, thanks. Thanks for coming in.
Obanjr
Thank you for having me, man.
Tiffany Hansen
All right, well, I mentioned Pitchfork, so I'm going to tell you what they said. All right.
Obanjr
What did they say? Tell me what?
Tiffany Hansen
Yeah, I got you. All right. Paradise now is a renewed mission statement from Obonjay are the Nigerian musician whose hyperactive fusion of Afrobeat, soul and hip hop has made him a sensation in his adopted hometown of London. What I want to know is, is their description of your music accurate?
Obanjr
I mean, it's accurate to them. I think anyone who, who listens to the music that's been put out, the music belongs to them. So whatever they decide the music is is true. So it's true for them what it, you know, what they define it as. And that's fine with me.
Tiffany Hansen
What do you define it as?
Obanjr
I don't. I define it as me and my emotion, my feeling. I mean, I think my job as a musician is to, is to have my perspective and put it out into the world.
Tiffany Hansen
Did you happen to hear any of our last Interview with Meredith Monk. No, she was talking a lot about that sort of genre defining. She's somebody else who really, you know, defied, I would say, defy genre.
Obanjr
Right.
Tiffany Hansen
What is it about that that is so enticing to an artist?
Obanjr
I don't think it's a thing. I know I don't do it on purpose. I don't think it's a thing I think about when I go in to make a record.
Tiffany Hansen
You don't think I'm gonna sit here and not be anything?
Obanjr
I'm. No. I think the beauty of it is, as human beings, our taste is so eclectic, and so we're nuanced. We're nuanced people. So our taste and the things that we've experienced and experiences across the time that we've been on this earth has pick so many different things. Right. And for me, with music I grew up listening to, I came up on hip hop, and I came up on, you know, R and B and listening to Brandy and Toni Braxton with my mom playing Beyonce that, you know, the Destiny's Child and stuff. And, you know, and then growing up, as things progressed, started listening to a little more Afrobeat, rock and roll, funk, getting involved in, you know, electronic music, dance music, and these things they tack onto you as time goes on. And me, someone who loves music so much, these things were like a huge part of my life. So when I music subconsciously or without even realizing it, the music that I make is a combination of all of these things, these experiences put together.
Tiffany Hansen
I get it.
Obanjr
When I put it out, it completely just comes out as that.
Tiffany Hansen
Because all of you shows up.
Obanjr
Exactly. So, you know, the music that I make is a representation of who I am.
Tiffany Hansen
You know, let's talk about the new album. It's called Paradise Now. That wasn't the original title.
Obanjr
No, it's meant to be called Instant Animal. You've done your research. Love that. Yes.
Tiffany Hansen
We're gonna listen to that track, Instant Animal, in a few minutes. So first, tell us about the meaning behind Instant Animal.
Obanjr
Yeah, for me, Instant Animal is like. I define it in this way. So imagine you're having a dream, and you're in the stream. You start to fall. Your body's reaction immediately is to wake up, because it's like survival. And your body can't tell if it's a dream office, real life. So that jerk reaction is what you have. It just instantly it kicks in without you having to physically do anything. And that's why I meant by Instant Animal, that regardless of if you're in a. If you're backs against the wall and you have. You've got nothing, nowhere else to go, you're in danger. Your. Your reaction to that danger is either you quit, you leave, or you fight. So whether you like it or not, you have to fight. And that was my. My take from that. That's who. That's my. That was my response to that, you know, being in that situation where I felt like there was nowhere else to go. Rock bottom. It's like I had to wake up and become myself, you know.
Tiffany Hansen
So let's talk about paradise now though, then. Where did that come from?
Obanjr
Paradise now, for me, it's a. Started off as a phrase that I had. I didn't really know what to use, what to. What to use it for. I think for me, it meant. At the time, it meant, you know, being present, you know, being content with the present. You know, that was the. What the phrase was about. But then it became these parties I threw. I throw in London called Paradise now, where I have my community of friends and come down and play shows. And for me, it was more of an excuse to watch my friends play for me to, you know, play sketches I'd be making in the studio and have my community around. And as that went on, I started to realize that that community and that moment, that celebration that was going on in that space of these things that weren't finished was almost a representation of enjoying being present in the moment rather than like, waiting for something or having an expectation of this thing. Okay, when it's finished, I'm gonna do this. It was like, okay, we're gonna. This is what we have. This is what we're doing. Let's have a ball. I mean, and that was a beautiful thing to me.
Tiffany Hansen
So you're okay sharing things that aren't fully baked?
Obanjr
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, now I am. I think there was a point in my life where I wasn't. You know, everything was so sacred. It's not. It's not that deep. Nothing is ever that, you know, if it's. If it's from you, you can, you can. The prototype is almost the middle of it is the most beautiful thing because you're. That's where you're figuring it out. You're breaking it down, you're putting it back together. And then when you get to the end result, the thing that got is the journey. The journey is the most beautiful part. So being present within that journey, you realize when the end has come.
Tiffany Hansen
So you have these parties, everybody's hanging out and Playing music. And you're playing little tidbits of things that you're working on.
Obanjr
Yeah.
Tiffany Hansen
And you're getting feedback.
Obanjr
I mean, the feedback is in the, is on the floor. It's in the dance floor. It's not no one being like, oh my God, the songs are really good. It's not about that. It's like when you're, when you're playing it, you know, what feels good to you and what doesn't, what works or what I see. I see so. And then you start to. I realize during those moments what I need to work on, what I need to change. If this. How does, how does this word or this phrase or this lyric sit with me when I play it live? Does it do exactly what I need it to do? Does it, does it evoke the emotion I need it to evoke? And if it doesn't do that, it's back to the drawing board. So it helped me kind of like form what the end result became.
Tiffany Hansen
Did it become a habit of yours? Are you sort of addicted to that process now?
Obanjr
I don't care. It was just a beautiful thing. And I think paradise now one of those parties where I place it to the. To the. To the day I die. Because I think it's less about me on the music. It's more about the communion, you know, the gathering of people. And you know where we play in this venue called Ormside in southeast London, on site projects. It's this 250 venue capacity venue, you know, so. And there's no green room, right? So there's a smoking area. There's the, you know, there's the floor where, you know, the performances happen. And then there's the bar area and that's it. So you're, you're. Everyone's in the same. In communion with each other. We're all in the same spaces. I mean, the smoking area, they're in smoking. My fans aren't smoking, my friends aren't smoking. Everyone's interacting with each other. And then it just makes everything, the whole experience more human because you get to see the people who support you and who your audience is, and they get to know you beyond this performer figure. Because I don't, I don't believe I'm. I don't think I'm a performer. I think I'm an artist. I think there's a different difference between a performer or an entertainer and artist.
Tiffany Hansen
You know, you mentioned getting that kind of live feedback for what you're doing. How do you then translate that to something that's going to go on an album.
Obanjr
I mean, you feel it, you know what's wrong when you feel it, what isn't complete, you know what's not complete when you feel it. So if you have that feeling, you know what is what it needs. I mean, so you don't.
Tiffany Hansen
So when you go into the studio, you can recreate that feeling for yourself.
Obanjr
Absolutely. Because you know what it's lacking because you can't hear it the same. And you don't hear it the same after the fact because you know something's missing or something it's not. Something needs to be added to it. So you can't. You can't necessarily manufacture what the. You know, what the solution to that problem is. But I think you. You have a feeling that you need something and then so your brain starts to think in that way. And then by the time you get to the studio, you know what, how to. How to add to it.
Tiffany Hansen
We're talking and talking and talking about music. I feel like we should listen to some music. All right, so let's. Let's hear right, let's listen to Instant Animal.
Obanjr
My back was on the floor and there was nowhere left to run get the book get crushed Instant Animal like dreaming of a fall look at me now I'm a killer look at me now I'm a sharply Mama. Look at me I'm a killer don't never do this to me again.
Tiffany Hansen
That is Instant Animal, a song from Oban Junior's new album, Paradise Now. Obanji Ara. We're going to talk about it in a second. We're just going to take a quick break, but we'll come back to the conversation. This is all of it here on wnyc. I'm Tiffany Hansen in for Alison Stewart, and we are in the middle of a listening party with Obanjayr talking about his highly anticipated sophomore album, Paradise Now. The song we just heard is called Instant Animal. It was to be the title of the album, no such luck. Talk to us about the storytelling that you're doing in this song.
Obanjr
So the song's mainly just myself realizing the world, changing the world around me, changing me to become this killer, you know, like this shark. Because it's unforgiving and so brutal. I remember I played it to. When we made it, I played it to my friend Anastasia, actually was an incredible musician. And she came down to the studio and played it to her and she cried and she. And I. And I was really. Because I didn't really think it was that kind of Song to make someone cry. Yeah.
Tiffany Hansen
I was gonna ask you. There's kind of a sadness.
Obanjr
Yeah. And then she said. Yeah, that's exactly what she said. She's like, you know, you know, it's sad that the world around you has done this to you to turn you into this thing. And the thing is that it's unfortunate, but that's just what goes on in the world. Like the world is so roug and so hard and so difficult and so unforgiving that it turns people soft and who are delicate into this hard bodied sharks. That's like, you know, kill or be killed energy, you know. And that's an album progresses. You see things, the mentality starts to change. Then towards the end you get to happy head and you know, it's a progression and. But these moments are moments that did happen and made me feel like I was alone and there was nothing else. My smile, My smile is over my shoulder. My smile is a distant memory. I want everything. I want everything. Yeah. I mean that is, that was the sentiment when writing the song.
Tiffany Hansen
You've talked about how shy you are.
Obanjr
You used to be.
Tiffany Hansen
You used to be. That's what I was just saying.
Obanjr
Even that's a lie. I am shy, but I.
Tiffany Hansen
So you're not a shy.
Obanjr
The world is genuine. Exactly. You present. I'm Shark presenting.
Tiffany Hansen
Oh, how I would love to be Shark presenting. Shy people can be performers though. I mean, because, I don't know, you can get lost in the performance.
Obanjr
No, but the thing about performance, and this is why I differentiate, the word performance isn't necessarily for me because I think that's for me. When I play a show or when I write music, I just embody the music. I become part. It's a part of me rather than. I'm not putting on a thing. There's no mask involved. Yeah. I mean, I'm not acting out a scene from a movie. I am just really genuinely feeling the music through my body. It's like electricity. I mean, so I'm not pretend. If you get, if you get electrocuted, you're not, you're not choreographing how you move. Do you know what I'm saying? So that's the way I, I say I see it. So I'm not, I'm not performing in that way. So when it comes to music in like art, I don't think the, the shark leaning thing is, is, is prevalent or present at all. It's everything else around that. It's like, how do you get your music heard? How do you talk to. When it comes to like financial things? Like how do you. When it comes to the business side, how are you in those areas? How are you with the people around you? Be it friends or leeches or people that always want something from you. How do you engage with those situations? And that's where the. I guess the shock mentality comes up because you know what it's like, you know what the world is like, you know, you can't trust everyone. You know, you have to be a certain way minded to survive. You know.
Tiffany Hansen
You have become more vocal politically.
Obanjr
Yes. I mean I think, I don't think I have become more. I think I've always been.
Tiffany Hansen
You're just saying it more.
Obanjr
I mean I've always said it more across my music anyway. It depends on what you're. What you're referring to. But I think across my music from the beginning, from like which way is forward ep, you know, Soldier ant follows me like a bad smell. You know, talking about like I guess racism and the idea of, you know, all of that stuff. Stuff and you know, politics in regards to like governments with message and a hammer and things like that. So it's been. It's been a thing that has. I mean, I guess it's the world we live in, right. And I'm as an artist is my job to. To observe what's going on around me and present it, my perspective on it. And I don't think politics or being political or being, you know, I guess political in the way that you're. Your music or your art is presenting should be you talking at people. I think you should be talking to people rather than talking at them, you know. So I think that's maybe that why. Why. That's why it feels like it's only recently that I've been louder about it because of what's going on currently in the world and how relevant said thing is.
Tiffany Hansen
We're talking with Obanjayar about his new album Paradise. Now there this is a listening party. So we will play music that's ahead of his concert tonight at the Music hall of Williamsburg that happen at 8 o'. Clock. So let's listen to Born in this Body.
Obanjr
Hey, you're always trying to prove something. Who is it all? No be you. What are you doing? Your cot and paint. Your clothes and your shoes don't fit. Don't make yourself small. No one ask my mommy. I was born in this party. I was born in this world I was born in this party. I love that one.
Tiffany Hansen
Such a beautiful that's a good one.
Obanjr
Such a beautiful song. Such a beautiful song.
Tiffany Hansen
I'm glad that you appreciate your work like that. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Did I hear you say, don't make yourself small?
Obanjr
Don't make yourself small for no one.
Tiffany Hansen
Kind of fits with, like, being shark presenting.
Obanjr
Yes, exactly. Exactly.
Tiffany Hansen
Tell us how your childhood, your growing up years in Nigeria informed your music.
Obanjr
Very shy. This is when I was really shy, like, truly shy. Presenting and shy, you know, And I remember my grandma. There's a. This is. This is a very core memory for me. There was a. There was like a gathering going on downstairs in the living room. And I was in the corner in the hallway, just tucked away, just. I couldn't. I couldn't physically bring myself to go into the living room. And my grandma came to me and she was like, you know, you don't need to be shy. Like, it's. What's the worst that could happen? And you want to go in there. You have. You. I can see that you want. That's why you're stood here. If you didn't want to be here, you wouldn't be here. You're stood here, you're looking in, but you're afraid of how you will be perceived or, like, how it's going to react to you. And she's like, no one. It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Like, the idea of you thinking that the whole thing revolves around you and your energy, you're adding to the space. You're not the center of the thing, man.
Tiffany Hansen
A lot of people need to hear your grandma's message.
Obanjr
She's given me so many gems across the years. And I remember thinking, yeah, you're right. Like, what's gonna. What's gonna happen? Nothing's gonna happen. No one's gonna be like, I'm not gonna go walk into room. And everyone's like, oh, my God. Was. This is. It's over. The world's gonna end. And that. From that moment on, I think I'd move with that. Move with that advice in my head. It's like, if I. What I. Whatever I look like, whatever I think, however I present, whatever I dress like, whatever my orientation, how I wear my hair, whatever my skin color, what are you gonna do about it? This is me like, and that's this what might like. It doesn't change me not going into a space or, you know, exerting myself in a place or having an opinion or having a space. Holding space. Right. Isn't gonna stop the world from turning Right. I have to, I have to put. If I have something to say, right. If I have an expression to express, I'm going to express it. Right. If you feel a type of way about it. Cool. We can have a discourse. Whatever happens within that is gonna happen within that. But it doesn't, I can't predict what that's gonna be before I've even done it. Right. So that is like how that particular encounter with my grandma has made me move through life.
Tiffany Hansen
And also you, you, you said. Alluded to this, right? You can't, you can't affect in any way how someone thinks about you.
Obanjr
You can't. It's not exactly. So what, what's the cool.
Tiffany Hansen
Right.
Obanjr
Someone thinks you're. You're a loser. Cool. You're, you know, I'm not a loser. So you can think that that's all you want. That doesn't change what I am. It doesn't change my makeup. I just, you know, it's just what it is.
Tiffany Hansen
Well, listeners, you can come and make your own opinion tonight.
Obanjr
Absolutely.
Tiffany Hansen
Of this shark for no Shark face Shark present. Presenting.
Obanjr
That's a new one. That's the next album, the Shock presenter.
Tiffany Hansen
Tonight at the Music hall of Williamsburg. That show happening at 8 o'. Clock. The musician is Obanjr. The new album is Paradise Now. It's out now and gosh, we're thank, we're just so thankful you came in.
Obanjr
This was really beautiful. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Have a lovely rest of your show.
Tiffany Hansen
Well, thank you.
Obanjr
Take care.
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All Of It Podcast: Obongjayar Blends Afrobeat, Electro-Pop, and Raw Emotion (A Listening Party)
Host: Tiffany Hansen (in place of Alison Stewart)
Release Date: July 24, 2025
Duration: Approximately 21 minutes
The episode begins with Tiffany Hansen welcoming listeners to a special listening party featuring Nigerian-born, London-based musician Obanjr (Obongjayar). Obanjr is set to perform his highly anticipated sophomore album, Paradise Now, at the Music Hall of Williamsburg later that evening. Tiffany provides a brief overview of Obanjr's musical journey, highlighting his transition from hip hop influences in Nigeria to embracing Nigeria's rich musical heritage after relocating to the UK at 17.
Notable Quote:
[01:03] Tiffany Hansen: “Obanjr has returned with a new album that features some of his most intimate storytelling, focusing on themes such as self-acceptance, grief, loneliness, and what it means to live in the present.”
Tiffany references a Pitchfork review, which described Obanjr's Paradise Now as a “renewed mission statement” and praises his fusion of Afrobeat, soul, and hip hop. Obanjr responds by acknowledging Pitchfork’s interpretation but emphasizes that his music is a genuine expression of his emotions and perspectives rather than a deliberate attempt to fit into specific genres.
Notable Quotes:
[02:06] Tiffany Hansen: “Paradise now is a renewed mission statement from Obanjayr, the Nigerian musician whose hyperactive fusion of Afrobeat, soul, and hip hop has made him a sensation in his adopted hometown of London. What I want to know is, is their description of your music accurate?”
[02:27] Obanjr: “I don't think about defining it as anything specific. My job as a musician is to have my perspective and put it out into the world.”
Tiffany delves into one of the featured tracks, "Instant Animal," initially intended as the album's title. Obanjr explains the song's meaning, drawing parallels between an unconscious survival instinct and the necessity to fight when faced with adversity. He shares how the song reflects his personal experiences of feeling trapped and the transformative process of becoming his authentic self.
Notable Quotes:
[04:56] Obanjr: “Instant Animal is about being in a situation where you have nowhere to go and your immediate reaction is to fight. It’s my response to feeling like there was nowhere else to go—rock bottom.”
[05:54] Obanjr: “Paradise Now became a representation of enjoying being present in the moment rather than waiting for something to happen.”
The conversation shifts to the broader themes of Paradise Now. Obanjr describes how "Paradise Now" evolved from a personal phrase signifying contentment with the present to the name of his London-based parties. These gatherings serve as creative spaces where he shares his unfinished work, fostering a sense of community and collaboration. Obanjr views the creative journey, with its iterative process, as the most beautiful aspect of making music.
Notable Quotes:
[06:54] Obanjr: “The music that I make is a representation of who I am.”
[08:12] Obanjr: “The journey is the most beautiful part. So being present within that journey, you realize when the end has come.”
Tiffany inquires about how live feedback during his Paradise Now parties influences the final album. Obanjr explains that while the immediate feedback is subtle and non-verbal, the emotional responses from the dance floor inform his creative decisions. This live interaction helps him identify what resonates and what doesn’t, guiding him back to the studio with a clearer vision of his music's emotional impact.
Notable Quotes:
[09:28] Obanjr: “When you're playing it live, what feels good to you and what doesn't, what works or what I see. Then you start to realize during those moments what I need to work on.”
[09:39] Obanjr: “By the time you get to the studio, you know how to add to it.”
After a brief break, Tiffany resumes the conversation by playing another track, "Born in This Body." The discussion centers on Obanjr's storytelling approach, particularly in "Instant Animal," where he narrates his transformation into a hardened individual due to a harsh world. He shares an emotional anecdote about a fellow musician who was moved to tears by the song, underscoring the profound impact of his music.
Notable Quotes:
[11:43] Obanjr: “The song's about myself realizing the world around me is changing me into this killer, like a shark. It's unforgiving and brutal.”
[12:12] Obanjr: “It's sad that the world around you has done this to you, to turn you into this thing.”
Tiffany explores Obanjr's personal growth from being shy to embracing his role as an artist. Obanjr recounts a formative memory with his grandmother, who encouraged him to overcome his fear of being perceived negatively. This experience instilled in him the confidence to express himself authentically, regardless of others' opinions. He emphasizes the importance of self-expression and maintaining one's identity amidst external pressures.
Notable Quotes:
[17:57] Obanjr: “If you have an expression to express, I'm going to express it. If you feel a type of way about it, cool. We can have a discourse.”
[19:27] Obanjr: “If you have something to say, I'm going to say it. It doesn't change what I am.”
Obanjr discusses his natural shyness and how it contrasts with his performances. He differentiates between being a performer and being an artist, highlighting that his performances are genuine expressions of his emotions rather than curated acts. This authenticity allows him to connect deeply with his audience, as he embodies the music rather than putting on a facade.
Notable Quotes:
[13:27] Obanjr: “I'm not putting on a thing. There's no mask involved. I'm just really genuinely feeling the music through my body.”
[13:38] Obanjr: “I am just really genuinely feeling the music through my body. It's like electricity.”
The conversation shifts to Obanjr's involvement in political discourse through his music. He asserts that his work has always carried political messages, addressing issues like racism and governmental policies. Obanjr believes that as an artist, it is his responsibility to observe and present his perspectives on societal changes. He emphasizes the importance of engaging listeners in dialogue rather than dictating opinions.
Notable Quotes:
[15:04] Obanjr: “I've always been more vocal politically through my music.”
[15:10] Obanjr: “It's my job as an artist to observe what's going on around me and present my perspective on it.”
[15:27] Obanjr: “Politics or being political in your music should be about talking to people rather than talking at them.”
As the episode concludes, Tiffany invites listeners to attend Obanjr's concert at the Music Hall of Williamsburg at 8:00 PM. Obanjr expresses gratitude for participating in the listening party and reflects on the meaningful exchanges during the session. The episode ends with a final greeting, reinforcing the community-centric theme of the podcast.
Notable Quotes:
[20:58] Tiffany Hansen: “Tonight at the Music Hall of Williamsburg is happening at 8:00 PM. The musician is Obanjr. The new album is Paradise Now. It's out now and we're just so thankful you came in.”
[21:13] Obanjr: “This was really beautiful. Thank you very much. Have a lovely rest of your show.”
This episode of All Of It offers an in-depth look into Obanjr's creative process, personal growth, and the thematic elements of his new album, Paradise Now. Through heartfelt conversations and live listening, listeners gain insight into the artist's dedication to authenticity, community, and political expression in his music. The episode not only highlights Obanjr's musical talents but also underscores the significance of personal experiences and societal observations in shaping his art.