Sarah McLachlan on 'Better Broken,' Her First Album in 11 Years

Summary

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All Of It with Alison Stewart

Guest: Sarah McLachlan on 'Better Broken,' Her First Album in 11 Years

Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Alison Stewart (WNYC)

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Overview

This episode of All Of It features Grammy award-winning musician Sarah McLachlan in an in-depth conversation about her long-awaited new album, Better Broken—her first in 11 years. The discussion explores her creative process, the deeply personal themes embedded in her new music, collaboration, parenthood, the lingering impact of Lilith Fair, and the influence of wider cultural and political events. McLachlan also shares memorable moments from the album, notable collaborations, and speaks candidly about her journey as an artist and mother during a period of transformation and reflection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Journey Behind "Better Broken"

• Returning After 11 Years:

  • Contextualizing the gap before this album, McLachlan reflects on life changes, creative blocks, and the abundance of material accumulated over the years.

• The Title Track – A Song Nearly Lost:

  • McLachlan began writing “Better Broken” almost 14 years ago for her last record, but didn’t finish it in time. Revisiting old archives for the new album, she found and completed the song, adding only a bridge to the original structure.

    “When I was going through all those old records… I found it… and went, ‘Oh, this is actually pretty good. I gotta finish this.’” (Sarah McLachlan, 01:51)

• Evolution of the Song:

  • The lyrics barely changed; Benny Bach contributed a distinctive bridge—described by McLachlan as a “crazy weird kind of prog fusion thing.”

    “…he just turned it into this crazy weird kind of prog fusion thing. And I’m okay, yeah, that'll work.” (Sarah McLachlan, 02:35)

• Emotional Arc & Album Themes:

  • The album is thematically rooted in resilience, reclamation of self, and embracing a new chapter. McLachlan addresses personal loss, divorce, and parenthood, drawing inspiration from her life’s transitions.

    “This is a new chapter in my life… there’s been a lot of times over the last bunch of years where I’ve had to sort of think about how to redefine myself.” (Sarah McLachlan, 03:09)

Songwriting & The Creative Process

• Depth of the Vault:

  • Unlike artists known for prolific archives, McLachlan admits her “song vault” isn’t deep—though a few musical ideas may resurface in the future, lyrics tend to be her biggest challenge.

    “Lyrics are the things that I really struggle with.” (04:34)

• Song Length and Artistic Freedom:

  • While the industry pushes shorter tracks for radio play, McLachlan values the song’s natural length, prioritized by the content and message:

    “I have too much to say.” (Sarah McLachlan, 04:53)
    “…a song dictates what it’s gonna be, how long it’s gonna be, and I just kind of let that flow.” (Sarah McLachlan, 05:02)

• Knowing When a Song is Done:

  • She describes completion as an intuitive feeling—when she’s explored all creative avenues and feels proud to share the work. Studio collaboration then elevates the song.

    “It feels like I’ve… done the best possible job… and that’s the point at which we go into the studio…” (Sarah McLachlan, 05:52)

• Collaboration as Elevation:

  • She credits her producers and musicians with enhancing her music, expressing deep appreciation for collaborative processes:

    “I can take things to a certain place…but I love what other people will bring to… make it… even better and more interesting.” (Sarah McLachlan, 06:38)

Personal Stories in Song

• “Gravity” – A Love Letter to Her Daughter

  • Inspired by McLachlan’s complex relationship with her firstborn, “Gravity” addresses family struggles, reconciliation, and growth through therapy. She openly discusses realizing her daughter’s anxiety had been mistaken for other issues, and the significant transformation that followed.

    “It was this massive anxiety that was undiagnosed… Our relationship since has blossomed… I want people to know about family systems counseling and how beneficial it can be…” (Sarah McLachlan, 07:10)

  • McLachlan’s daughter encouraged her to share their personal journey publicly to help others.

• Parenthood’s Impact:

  • Parenting opened McLachlan “way beyond what I thought my capacity for love was”—but also made songwriting more sporadic due to life’s busyness. She describes being “joyfully distracted.”

    “Joyfully distracted by parenting… songwriting kind of took a back seat a little bit.” (Sarah McLachlan, 12:49-13:16)

The Return to Songwriting & Societal Inspirations

• Reawakening Creativity with “Rise”:
  • The song “Rise” was among the first she wrote post-pandemic, envisioning global unity that, regretfully, didn’t materialize

    “…a hopeful lament that… we need to remember that ultimately we need each other. And if we just keep…screaming at each other, nothing’s gonna move forward.” (Sarah McLachlan, 13:17)

The Legacy and Influence of Lilith Fair

• Empowering New Generations:

  • Lilith Fair’s impact is reflected today in how women dominate airwaves, champion other women, and create supportive networks in the industry.

    “…we have always been in competition…for this very small sliver of pie. If we want to change things…we have to start…lifting each other up…and I feel that I’ve seen that happen time and time again in the industry now.” (Sarah McLachlan, 16:56–17:53)

• Notable Fan Connection—Katie Gavin (MUNA):

  • Katie Gavin cites Sarah and Lilith Fair as major inspirations, and features on the new track “Reminds Me.”

    "Building a Mystery was like my... top. Listened to song for like a couple of years." (Katie Gavin, 16:43)
    "I’m a massive fan of her. She is hugely talented and a lovely human." (Sarah McLachlan, 17:55)

Working with a New Production Team

• Stepping Outside the Comfort Zone:
  • After 35 years with Pierre Marchand, McLachlan teamed with Tony Berg and Will McClellan for “Better Broken” to push herself creatively, likening the process to “blind dating.”
  • Tony Berg notably challenged her lyrics and arrangement, pushing her not to settle for “good enough.”

    “He really was like, yeah, the music is really, really great. This song… needs a little bit of help…he forced me not to settle, which is great.” (Sarah McLachlan, 21:23)

Addressing Political and Social Themes

• “One in a Long Line” – Speaking Up as a Woman
  • Marking a departure from her avoidance of political music, this track addresses the rollback of women’s rights in the wake of Roe v. Wade’s overturning, and McLachlan’s anger at seeing global regressions in gender equality.

    “I've never been political in my music, but… since Roe v. Wade… and watching this insidious erosion of the rights of women… anger and the frustration around that. I have two daughters… and I believe every woman should have agency over their bodies.” (Sarah McLachlan, 22:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On parenthood and humility:

  “They do not care unless I can get them tickets to shows. Then all of a sudden, I’m mildly elevated for a moment.” (Sarah McLachlan, 11:31)

• On artistic self-doubt and letting go:

  “There is no mathematical equation [for when a song is done]… it feels right… I feel proud of it… okay, I can now let this go to the world.” (Sarah McLachlan, 05:52)

• On why her songs are "normal" length:

  “I have too much to say.” (Sarah McLachlan, 04:53)

• On collaboration:

  “I love what other people will bring to something to make it… even better and more interesting.” (Sarah McLachlan, 06:38)

• On legacy and influence:

  “If we want to change things, ultimately, we have to start, you know, celebrating each other and lifting each other up and giving each other opportunities to create that change.” (Sarah McLachlan, 17:14)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:33 – “Better Broken” (title track excerpt)
• 01:42–04:21 – Songwriting history of "Better Broken" and rediscovery
• 07:07–09:42 – Story behind “Gravity” and family healing
• 13:17–14:08 – Writing "Rise" in response to COVID and societal division
• 16:04–16:43 – Katie Gavin (MUNA) on Lilith Fair and McLachlan’s influence
• 17:53–18:10 – Discussion of Lilith Fair’s impact on today’s music industry
• 19:59–22:46 – Working with new producers and the impact on her sound
• 22:54–23:39 – “One in a Long Line” and embracing political themes

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Concluding Notes

Sarah McLachlan’s visit to All Of It illuminates the journey behind Better Broken: a record marked by personal reckoning, creative renewal, and a willingness to be vulnerable. She is open about struggles with family, the challenges and joys of motherhood, the importance of collaboration, and the responsibility she feels to speak out as a woman in today’s society. Through new partnerships, McLachlan reinvigorates her sound, bringing forward both fresh and long-held ideas, and embracing the complex world with humility and hope.

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Transcript

[Alison Stewart]

This is all of it on wnyc. I'm Alison Stewart. We just spent the first part of the show discussing a new documentary about Lilith Fair. And now we're going to talk to the festival's founder, the Grammy award winning Sarah McLachlan. This Friday, Sarah is releasing a new album, her first new music in 11 years. Here's the title track called Better Broken.

[Sarah McLachlan (singing)]

Maybe if I catch my breath Maybe if I wait a little I'd remember how it hurts Then stop for a fall I'd forget to come apart and catch myself and hold on tightly Let memory wash over me. Forgive but don't forget. So you come back to me begging away you leave, tell me why. How could you let this go? Let it be all it is Small and still a memory like a stone A jagged edge made smooth by time Let it be all it is Small and still A better left alone. Some things are better broken. Some things are better broken.

[Alison Stewart]

Better Broken is out this Friday and Sarah McLachlan is here in studio now. It is so nice to see you again.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Thank you. I'm so glad to be back.

[Alison Stewart]

I'm so glad you're back as well. The title track, better Broken, you started writing that song 13 years ago.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Actually almost 14 years ago. When I actually went back and did the timestamp thing. Yeah, it was meant to be originally on my last record, Shine on. And then I didn't finish it in time. We ran out of time. So I kind of archived it away and forgot about. And then when I was going through all those old records, I. I found it when we're trying to find material for this new one and went, oh, this is actually pretty good. I gotta finish this.

[Alison Stewart]

How much did the song change over that?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Very little. The only thing we just added the bridge. So the lyrics were essentially there. There just wasn't a bridge. And I felt like it needed, it needed to go someplace. And then Benny Bach came in. He was kind of the fourth member of our band. Myself, Tony Berg, Will McClellan, my two producers. And he just is this musical and I'm like, hey, so can you just do a little bridge on these chords? And I had these really simple chords and he just turned it into this crazy weird kind of prog fusion thing. And I'm okay, yeah, that'll work. That's great.

[Alison Stewart]

Well, it's sort of interesting cause I was listening to the song and I asked somebody else, I'm like, do you hear like a record player in the middle of the song?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

There is a record player there Is in the bridge. Yes. It goes into this sort of retro nostalgia moment.

[Alison Stewart]

Why did you want to start with this particular song for your album?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Well, you know, it didn't turn out that way. As you build a record, as you put all the songs together, you know, an emotional arc starts to take place and form. And the title just kind of made sense for everything that I was working on. The reclamation of self, this idea of, you know, resilience. And this is a new chapter in my life. My little baby has just gone off to university, so I'm now an empty nester. And there's been a lot of times over the last bunch of years where I've had to sort of think about how to redefine myself. And, you know, none of us gets to this point unscathed. I'm 57 and I've lost both my parents and my brother to really hideous cancer. I've gone through a yucky divorce and, you know, one or two sort of disastrous relationships after that that really, you know, that I had to climb out from under, you know, and figure out who I was. And. And so those stories, a lot of them kind of appear on this record because even though I wrote a lot of this qu. You know, I'm drawing on inspiration from things in the past, things that I actually have now a little more objectivity about that I can write about with some more clarity.

[Alison Stewart]

How deep is that song archive of yours? Are we talking like Prince Vault deep?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Are we talking how deep? No, honestly, I think Better Broken is probably it. There might have been. There's six or seven other ideas from that time, but they weren't as strong, they weren't as fully formed. That being said, at some point they may well come back to the surface because musically I think they're strong. It's just the lyrics are the things that I really struggle with.

[Alison Stewart]

It's interesting. So I looked at the whole record track and your songs are, in my opinion, normal length songs. They're four minutes. Yeah. They're five minutes. They're not two and a half minutes, which a lot of artists are doing.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

I have too much to say.

[Alison Stewart]

I was gonna ask you about. I was going to ask you about that. Did you ever have that. That conversation with yourself or did you say no, I'm just.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

I'm making songs. I've been incredibly lucky in my career that I've kind of had creative control since the get go. And so there certainly times early on when it's like, you know, if you want radio play, it has to be under 3:30, you have to work on that. So, yeah, for a few songs, I went down that road. But generally speaking, for me, a song dictates, you know, it dictates what it's gonna be, how long it's gonna be, and I just kind of let that flow.

[Alison Stewart]

It's your creative process. Just let it go.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's where the good stuff comes out. When you're free, uninhibited, you know, you're not editing yourself, you are just playing, singing with abandon for the medicinal pleasure of it.

[Alison Stewart]

How do you know when a song is done?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

There is no mathematical equation, that's for sure. It feels right. That's about. That's, you know, it feels like I've taken it and experimented and, you know, gone down as many roads as I could and done the best possible job that I can with whatever subject matter I'm talking about musically, you know, getting it to a really solid place where I feel proud of it, where I'm feeling like, okay, I can now let this go to the world. And that's the point at which we go into the studio and then this super collaborative process happens where, you know, you get other musicians and they all add their colors and their nuances to it to elevate.

[Alison Stewart]

Sounds like you are into collaboration.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

I love collaboration. I love it. Because of that elevation, you know, I can take things to a certain place where I feel good about it, but I love what other people will bring to something to make it, in my opinion, even better and more interesting.

[Alison Stewart]

My guest is Grammy award winning artist, Sarah McLachlan. She's here for a listening party for her new album, Better Broken. It is out this Friday. This song has an extra special significance for you? Gravity.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Yes, this is. Sorry. Well, you go ahead.

[Alison Stewart]

No, you go ahead.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

So I wrote this song as a love letter to my firstborn daughter. She and I have had a very challenged, almost combative relationship for very many years. We're both terribly similar and really stubborn and we just didn't see eye to eye on a lot of things. And by the time she went away to university, like we were ready for a break. And she came back after a year. This is Covid 2020. It did not go well for her. She didn't have a good time. You know, a lot of unpleasant things happened and she was a mess and I could not reach her, I could not help her. She wouldn't open up to me. And after a couple weeks I was like, I think we need some help. So we Went to see this family systems counselor that we'd been to before. And after peeling back all the layers of the onion, what came out was the fact that she didn't feel safe to tell me what had happened to her because she thought she would be judged. She thought that, you know, I would blame her somehow, which is an awful thing to reckon with as a parent, especially because my mother was exactly like that. And I thought that I was being so different as a parent, and I feel like I was. But clearly, the way I was communicating with her, she was not getting that. So I had to learn how to change the way I talk to her. And also within the counseling, what we thought in the past was ADHD actually was anxiety. And we finally unraveled that and realized that all those challenges when she was younger, when this wall would go up, when hard things would be put in front of her, it wasn't obstinance or laziness or any of those things. It was this massive anxiety that was undiagnosed because I. I don't have it, so I didn't recognize it. She didn't have the language for it. So to recognize that's actually what it was then, to have tools to manage that. Our relationship since has blossomed. And, you know, I talked to her about, obviously, you know, talking about this publicly about something that's very private and very vulnerable, a very vulnerable time in her life and mine. And she's like, oh, no, mom, I want you to talk about it. I think this is really important, and it helped us so much. I want people to know about family systems counseling and how beneficial it can be for, you know, the whole family, really. And so, so far, she's still on board with that. So I'm being pretty open. I mean, I'm very open about my own life, but it's quite something different to bring someone else's personal things into a very public forum.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's listen to gravity.

[Sarah McLachlan (singing)]

Yours is an island of wild weeds and lush tangled crown. Unbridled energy, all possibility. You pull yourself up on two feet that have not stood alone. Slowly and gingerly reaching with to. It's hard the way you look at me With a rage I cannot place but I'm not the enemy I'll carry you through your pain you can hide away hold your heart at bay I know you want to be be.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

No.

[Sarah McLachlan (singing)]

Life will come apart and break and break your heart. I will be my gravity always true. I won't give up on you.

[Alison Stewart]

A beautiful song for a child to.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Hear that I won't give up on you. Yeah, well, I think that's what everybody kid needs to hear is that, you know, they've got a solid and safe place to land.

[Alison Stewart]

So you're Sarah McLachlan, the Grammy winner. Do your kids treat you like Sarah McLachlan, the Grammy winner? No.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

No, no, no. You know, kids have a wonderful way of keeping things real and keeping you humble. They do not care unless I can get them tickets to shows.

[Alison Stewart]

That's true.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Then all of a sudden, I'm mildly elevated for a moment.

[Alison Stewart]

How has being a parent affected your songwriting?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Well, the recognition that one's heart can expand way beyond what I thought my capacity for love was, that's opened up a whole new world of joy and terror. Honestly, the only other thing that's really changed is that being a parent is very busy making. There's a lot of work involved. Be able to go and sequester myself away in the mountains for months and do nothing but write. So being add myself, there's a lot of, you know, my days punctuated by waking the kids up, giving them breakfast, taking them to school, picking them up. I became a, you know, big dance mom for a bunch of years because my daughter was super into dance and still is. So, you know, I was distracted by all those things, so it slowed the process down. Really distracted or wildly distracted?

[Alison Stewart]

That's interesting.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Joyfully distracted by parenting. Yeah, it just, you know, it especially in the last. The last 10 years, like, having two teenage girls dealing with, you know, with the challenges. With my daughter, I was also principal fundraiser for my free music schools off the side of my desk. And I continued to play shows and tour a little bit. But, yeah, songwriting kind of took a back seat a little bit. Yeah.

[Alison Stewart]

What brought you back into focus?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

I think I finally had enough material. But also actually, the first song that I wrote in a long time was Rise. I wrote that with Luke Doucet and later on with Ann Previn. And it was kind of coming out of COVID really, with this hopeful idea that this thing could actually bring us together, bring humanity together, and didn't really turn out that way. Right. But it's this hopeful lament that, hey, we need to remember that ultimately we need each other. And if we keep just standing on opposite sides of the street and screaming at each other, nothing's gonna move forward. So it's a sort of utopian version of what's not happening right now, but what we'd like to happen, which is, you know, hey, we need to figure this out together.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's listen to that track. This is rise by Sarah McLachlan.

[Sarah McLachlan (singing)]

But we're gonna need each other Quiet the th who do we turn to if we turn on each other? Yeah, we're gonna need each other and listen and hunger the chances and choices Dreams of tomorrow will arise this time we're gonna do better if we can cool things down I know your tales the warning bounce your thirst for higher ground but there's nothing came from envy all your lust to prove me wrong Embracing what divides us it'll never make us strong Come on we gonna need each other to quiet the thunder who do we turn to if we turn on each other? Yeah, we gonn each other in blissing and hunger chances and choices dreams of.

[Alison Stewart]

Tomorrow will I'm Speaking with Sarah McLachlan. She's here for a listening party for her new album, Better Broken. It is out this Friday. So on the show, I love music, as you know. I've had all the women who are on Lilith Fair. We've had like, Liz Phair, Suzanne Vega, Paul Cole's been on the show.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

But we also have a lot of.

[Alison Stewart]

Young musicians who come on the show. And Katie Muna, Kayna Gavin from Muna was on the show. Right. And she told us she's a big, big fan of yours. A big, big fan of Lilith Fair. I want to play this little clip that she. We talked about it.

[Katie Gavin]

I mean, I think they're my favorite musicians. And there's so much brilliant songwriting going on there. There's so much introspection. And I really think about the importance for me of seeing women and queer people, like, seeing themselves as just the subjects in their own lives. And I also think about the community. I remember, like, watching the documentary and hearing about the Indigo Girls bringing everybody together and trying to encourage, like, collaboration on the road. And I also have to give a shout out to Sarah. Building a Mystery was like my. On Spotify wrapped. It was like my top. Listened to song for like a couple of years.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Where I love that.

[Alison Stewart]

I love it, too. Where do you hear the Lilith Fair influence in our new generation of female songwriters and male songwriters or others?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

I more hear it in. Well, I more see it in, you know, women are dominating the airwaves. Women are championing other women, and women are having other women open up for them. So that shift within the music industry, I think, really changed things. I mean, over the years, one of the most beautiful stories that constantly comes up, young women in particular will come up to me and say, I was there. You all shared Showed me that I can do and be anything I wanted. I'm now running a corporation, and I'm hiring women. And, you know, it's that idea that, you know, we. We have always been in competition with each other for this very small sliver of pie that's been allotted to us in pretty much, you know, every walk of life and all the systems that have been created by men for men. And if we want to change things, ultimately, we have to start, you know, celebrating each other and lifting each other up and giving each other opportunities to create that change. And I feel that I've seen that happen time and time again in the industry now.

[Alison Stewart]

And Katie Gavin is on your record.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

And she's on my record. Yeah. I will say as well, I'm a massive fan of her. She is hugely talented and a lovely human.

[Alison Stewart]

Let's listen to Reminds Me featuring Katie Gavin.

[Sarah McLachlan (singing)]

Baby, I loves what I want but everything's changing? The horse is the light that I lean on? Reminds me how heathen good luck can be? We started out as friends and then we fell into the deep? When we first kissed I nearly drowned? You took my hand and you led me to wonder? Like all that was lost had been found? Baby, when I'm feeling blue? Your smile can save me? Pulls me up out of the trenches? Reminds me how easy my life is with you? I used to think love was heavy work? Trying to lift up the broken ones I wasted so much to have been? But those mistakes led me to you? Now I know it was worth walking that crooked light? Cause you and me were meant to be? A sweet and simple melody? And I want to sing this song for you until our time has all run through? You're all I want, all I need all I have is you.

[Alison Stewart]

We're Talking to Sarah McLachlan. Her new album is called Better Broken. You have a new production team in place.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Yeah. So Tony berg and Will McClellan. And before I started making this record, I've been working with Pierre Marchand for 35 years. I love and adore him and what we created, but at the time, I thought, you know, this might be my last record, and I kind of owe it to myself to step out of my comfort zone and challenge myself a little bit. It honestly kind of felt like cheating at first, but Pierre was really gracious and lovely about it, and he's like, no, no, go do it. Go try it. And we had the best time. It's kind of like blind dating, you know, you get into this instantly. You get into a studio, and it's this very intimate, kind of vulnerable environment that you put yourself in, where I was like, okay, I'm just gonna open my world up to you and show you all the things I've been working on. And I played Gravity for Tony the very first day, and he heard it once, and he sat down at the piano. He says, may I? He sat down at the piano and played the entire thing back to me, but added a couple of interesting chord changes in it that actually, in my opinion, made it better. And I'm like, okay. First of all, it's not the simplest song to just, wow, how did you do that? And then he actually made it better. So I thought, okay, this is gonna be good. And then, you know, getting in there, like, within three days, it had felt like I'd known these guys forever. And it was so creative and so inspired.

[Alison Stewart]

What? How do they push you? A producer's job is to make you look good, but it's also to push you.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

He. Tony pushed me a lot lyrically. We were. Yeah, he really was like, yeah, you know, the music is really, really great. This song, you know, that needs. It needs a little bit of help, you know? And first of all, I was like, oh, damn you. No, I like it. It's really good. But as soon as he said that, I couldn't unhear it or unthink it. And then because I had so much respect for him, I went back in and reworked a few things, and, well, I made them better. So he forced me not to settle, which is great. So he did a very good job. Never mind being a brilliant musician and arranger and having just the greatest ideas when introducing a new musician, a song, like, just creating a story around it, around the kind of drum kit, for instance, we needed for. If this is the end, he said, I need the saddest Salvation army drum kit. And Matt Chamberlain said, okay, okay, and went over to his studio and pulled out these sloppy old drums and put together this kit that just somehow sounded so sad but fantastic as well and perfect for the song. So he's really great at pulling out not only great performances, you know, creating a picture that really allows a musician just to, you know, to fully shine.

[Alison Stewart]

You were kind enough to let us release to play one more song, which you're not releasing until Friday. One in a long time. What do you want people to know about this song?

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Oh, one in a long line. Yeah. So this was the last song. That's okay. So this is the last song I wrote. I wrote actually with Ann Previn for this record And I think when I was starting to make music for this record and starting to produce it, I was a little bit concerned about how vocal I was going to be about certain things I saw going on in the world. I've never been political in my music, but I felt like considering since Roe v. Wade getting overturned and watching this insidious erosion of the rights of women, not only in America, but all over the world and thinking, how is it that we're going backwards? And the anger and the frustration around that. I have two daughters who are coming up in the world and, you know, I believe every woman should have agency over their bodies. Anyway, so this song is kind of about that.

[Alison Stewart]

The name of the album is Better Broken. It is out this Friday. My guest has been Sarah McLachlan. It has been lovely to chat with you.

[Sarah McLachlan (speaking)]

Thank you. So nice to be back.

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