Podcast Summary: All Of It – The Best of NYC's Burgers

Host: Alison Stewart
Guests: Robert Tsitsima (Eater alum), Melissa McCart (Current Eater Writer)
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Duration: 16 minutes

Introduction

In the July 22, 2025 episode of All Of It, hosted by Alison Stewart on WNYC, the focus shifts to one of New York City's most beloved culinary staples: burgers. Celebrating the city's diverse burger scene, Alison is joined by Eater alum Robert Tsitsima and current Eater writer Melissa McCart. Together, they delve into what makes a burger great, sharing top recommendations ranging from budget-friendly joints to high-end establishments.

Determining the Perfect Burger Spot

Alison Stewart opens the discussion by asking Robert about the essential questions he poses when someone seeks a burger recommendation.

[00:51] Robert Tsitsima: "Well, number one, unfortunately, is how much do you want to pay? Because burgers have turned into kind of luxury products in the hands of some celebrity chefs."

Robert emphasizes the importance of budget, highlighting how burgers have evolved into both affordable comfort food and upscale gourmet offerings. He advocates for affordable yet quality options like Joe Jr., a beloved spot known for its fresh, handmade burgers.

[01:22] Alison Stewart: "I was asking. Joe Junior's is at 167 Third Avenue. I've been there."

Robert describes Joe Jr.'s ambiance as "a wreck," mentioning its faded yellow decor and chipped formica surfaces, which paradoxically enhance its charm.

Guest Perspectives on Burger Preferences

Melissa McCart brings a nuanced approach by asking patrons about their meal preferences:

[02:12] Melissa McCart: "Are we talking about lunch or dinner? ... And then are you looking for something fast or do you want to sit down and maybe have a beer with it?"

This line of questioning helps tailor recommendations based on the diner's needs, whether they seek a quick bite or a more leisurely dining experience.

Seasonal Preferences:
Melissa notes that preferences shift with the seasons. In warmer months, lighter options like smash burgers from places like Joe Jr. or Shake Shack are preferred.

[02:36] Melissa McCart: "I Feel like there's even another question to consider, and that's time of year, because I think like this time of year, I sort of would lean towards a Smash burger or something more in the Joe Jr or Shake Shack style burger."

As fall approaches, heavier Tavern burgers become more appealing, with establishments like Hawksmoor Lunchtime and Raul's Brunch Burger offering more substantial options.

Affordable and Unique Burger Joints

Jubilee Marketplace in Brooklyn is spotlighted for its exceptionally affordable burgers.

[03:21] Melissa McCart: "It is like a snack burger, but regardless, who wouldn't want a burger on the fly when they're grocery shopping?"

This grocery store offers burgers for $2.75, providing a quick and budget-friendly option without sacrificing taste.

Robert also praises Blue Collar Burger, a Brooklyn chain offering traditional California-style burgers made from scratch.

[05:30] Robert Tsitsima: "It has the most normal kind of California style burger imaginable. ... It's a great burger."

Unlike fast food, these burgers are cooked fresh upon order, ensuring quality albeit with a slightly longer wait time.

Hamburger America: A Burger Enthusiast’s Haven

Melissa introduces Hamburger America near Houston Street, describing it as "a hamburger museum almost." Owned by George Motts, the establishment is renowned for its diverse range of burger creations and engaging atmosphere.

[06:39] Melissa McCart: "It's like a hamburger museum almost. So George Motts, the owner, has written a book on burgers."

Robert adds that George is a "burger historian," often seen preparing burgers live, which adds to the venue's unique appeal.

However, both guests express reservations about smash burgers, criticizing them for prioritizing crust over quality meat.

[08:02] Robert Tsitsima: "Smash burgers, it's a way of selling you less meat for more money."

[08:35] Melissa McCart: "I totally agree. I think smash burgers have reached peak maybe last year."

Listener Experiences: Hits and Misses

Listeners contribute their experiences, adding depth to the discussion. Agnes from Westchester shares a disappointing encounter at the Mark Hotel, where an overpriced burger failed to meet expectations.

[09:26] Agnes: "It was ridiculously expensive. It was like maybe 30, maybe more, maybe $40... it was just bad."

Conversely, her positive experience at Benvenuto in Tribeca underscores the variability in quality across NYC's burger establishments.

High-End Burger Recommendations

When discussing splurge-worthy options, Robert recommends Mineta Tavern, despite its steep price tag of $38. He suggests sharing the hefty portion to fully appreciate its exceptional quality.

[10:43] Robert Tsitsima: "It's a little on the sweet side. The burger is just fantastic."

Melissa highlights Raul's Brunch Burger, a brisket-infused masterpiece available during weekend brunches. Priced at $32, it's a savory delight best enjoyed when shared.

[11:40] Melissa McCart: "It's a brisket burger... It is $32. Very delicious."

Hidden Gems and Final Recommendations

Ann from Manhattan introduces Smacking Burger at a West Village gas station, praising its affordability and flavor.

[12:58] Ann: "It's a normal sized burger. I think it's like 6.95 and it's delicious every time."

Red Hook Tavern is another favorite, noted for its perfectly seasoned burgers and satisfying portions, though Robert points out its high price of $28.60.

[14:36] Robert Tsitsima: "For a great tavern burger, go to JG Mellon, where it's still 9.85 on the upper east side."

In the closing moments, guests share additional recommendations:

• Melissa suggests Long Island Bars for their excellent burgers and cocktails.

  [15:14] Melissa McCart: "They make fantastic cocktails. That's the last one that I would suggest."

• Robert endorses Superiority Burger in the East Village for its homemade vegan patties made from black beans.

  [15:21] Robert Tsitsima: "They make it out of black beans. It is absolutely delicious."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with Alison Stewart inviting listeners to explore the rich and varied burger landscape of New York City. From affordable gems like Joe Jr. and Smacking Burger to high-end establishments like Mineta Tavern and Raul's, there's a perfect burger spot for every palate and budget. The shared insights from experts and listeners alike paint a vibrant picture of NYC's enduring love affair with burgers.

Notable Quotes:

• Robert Tsitsima on Smash Burgers:

  "Smash burgers, it's a way of selling you less meat for more money."
  [08:05]

• Melissa McCart on Seasonal Preferences:

  "This time of year, I sort of would lean towards a Smash burger or something more in the Joe Jr or Shake Shack style burger."
  [02:33]

• Agnes on Expensive Burgers:

  "It was ridiculously expensive. It was like maybe 30, maybe more, maybe $40... it was just bad."
  [09:26]

• Robert Tsitsima on Sharing High-End Burgers:

  "Share it with somebody. It is so big that you probably shouldn't be eating the whole thing yourself."
  [10:43]

This episode of All Of It offers a comprehensive guide to navigating New York City's dynamic burger scene, blending expert opinions with real-life experiences to ensure listeners find their next perfect bite.