Podcast Summary: All Of It – "Unpacking This Year's 'Craziest' College Admissions Season"

Podcast: All Of It (WNYC)
Host: Kusha Navadar (in for Alison Stewart)
Guest: Jeffrey Selingo, higher education reporter, author of "Who Gets In and Why" and contributor to New York Magazine
Air date: April 3, 2024

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This episode dissects the unprecedented turmoil and complexity defining the 2024 college admissions season. Host Kusha Navadar and guest Jeffrey Selingo delve into why the process has become more opaque, stressful, and seemingly impossible for students and families. They discuss the confluence of test-optional policies, the end of affirmative action, the FAFSA fiasco, and elite schools' obsession with prestige and yield—all fueling what Selingo calls "the craziest college admission season ever."

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why 2024 Is the "Craziest" Admissions Cycle Yet

• Perfect Storm of Factors:
  • Widespread continuation of test-optional admissions (since COVID-19), leading to an application surge at selective schools.
  • The Supreme Court's striking down of affirmative action (June 2023), removing race as a factor in admissions at many top universities.
  • Ongoing delays and errors with FAFSA processing, disrupting financial aid timelines for millions.
  • A still-large cohort of high school seniors applying before the projected demographic cliff.
  • Schools are more focused than ever on protecting their "prestige" and enrollment goals rather than increasing accessibility.
• Quote:
  • "You have all three of these things coming together this particular year at the same time." — Jeffrey Selingo (04:25)

2. Application Inflation, Early Action & Early Decision (06:32–11:36)

• Record Numbers:
  • Example: Duke received 48,000+ regular decision applications this year—over 30% increase at top schools in four years.
  • Early action/decision applications now almost match those for regular decision (due to Common App trends).
• Early Deadlines = More Anxiety:
  • Earlier application timelines push students to submit work months before they feel ready.
• Deferred Hope:
  • Many students are deferred in early rounds due to volume and yield concerns, stringing out the anxiety ("playing chess in the dark").
• Yield Rate Obsession:
  • Colleges prioritize yield (how many accepted students actually attend) to protect selectivity and prestige.
  • Example: "Brandeis, George Washington, Syracuse... now their yield rate is like 25%, 19%, 16%." — Selingo (10:15)

3. The FAFSA Fiasco and Its Fallout (12:56–15:19)

• Broken Promises:
  • The revised FAFSA was meant to "simplify" aid applications but led to major delays and data errors.
  • Seniors are left waiting for financial packages, risking committing to schools without knowing aid situations.
  • Some colleges extended commitment deadlines; others did not.
• Student and Parent Voices:
  • Caller Stacy: "My daughter... was accepted into all but two [schools]. But because of the late FAFSA, we still haven't received financial packages from all schools."
• Quote:
  • "It's a huge debacle... it was supposed to simplify the process... colleges can't send out a financial aid package... the anxiety just keeps going up." — Selingo (13:44)

4. The Impossible Bar and Student Branding (17:29–21:25)

• Student Perspective:
  • Caller Maxine, 17: "We've been told... if you get a 4.0 and take APs... you have a shot at getting into these bigger universities. But now colleges are expecting the impossible."
  • Social media intensifies this, with teens encouraged to "start a nonprofit" just to stand out.
• Test-Optional Realities:
  • Maxine leveraged test-optional policies after a disappointing SAT result.
• AP Score Inflation:
  • Even a "wall of fives" on APs is no longer impressive to elite admissions.
  • Selingo: "...only about 15% of all AP tests administered last year were even scored a 5. And only half of American public high schools even offer more than five AP scores." (20:57)

5. Application Strategy and Narrow Focus on Elite Schools (21:47–23:47)

• Chasing Prestige:
  • Massive increases in applications to a small “club” of prestigious colleges, even as class sizes stay nearly static.
  • Selingo encourages students to broaden their scope: "There are hundreds of great colleges in the U.S alone."
• Internationalization and Rankings:
  • Not just Americans: students worldwide aim for the same top schools, convinced rankings guarantee future success.
• Reality Check:
  • Selingo: "If you think about the most successful people in your life... you might not even know where they went to college..."

6. Affirmative Action’s End: Cultural Shifts Still Unfolding (23:47)

• Open Question:
  • Host invites listeners to reflect on and share how the end of affirmative action is affecting decisions and feelings around admissions.

7. Pressure, Brand-Building, and the Emotional Cost (24:25–28:10)

• Parent Perspective (Jill):
  • Surge in applicants to computer science, causing even more competition.
  • Teens are "trying to build these brands" for applications, taking rejection even more personally in a test-optional world.
• Colleges Prioritize Their Own Needs:
  • Selingo: College admissions is mostly about institutions’ needs—geography, major, gender mix, sports, and especially "full-payers."
  • "At the end of the day, these colleges are businesses... they treat families like that."
• Cultural Change Solution:
  • Only way to force elite colleges to change? "People stop applying to them... Unfortunately, the evidence shows they're not." (28:10)

8. What Would Actually Shift the System? (28:39–29:27)

• Transparency and Outcomes:
  • Selingo points to the Department of Education's College Scorecard: pay and job outcomes often similar across schools, regardless of prestige.
  • "For the most part, the outcomes at, like, less selective schools are just as good in terms of getting you a job and getting you a good job just as much as those top schools." (29:27)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It's a perfect storm... trends that are obstacles and trends that grow the number of applicants." – Kusha Navadar (05:52)
• "You have almost the same number of students, but they're just filing more and more applications, which creates even more uncertainty with colleges about who's really going to come if we accept them." – Selingo (10:15)
• "The system is ridiculous. Everything in the USA is being slanted to favor the rich and powerful. This is no different. And it's getting worse." – Listener via tweet (12:56)
• "If you see what these kids have done, it's incredible. And yet they're still not getting into what they think are the schools that are the key to success, which as you said, is not true." – Jill, caller (25:51)
• "We perceive that a degree from Harvard or Yale or Princeton or you name the top school is worth more than these others. And, yes, you're buying a network... but outcomes at less selective schools are just as good." – Selingo (29:27)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:47 – Show begins; overview of the admissions topic
• 03:31 – Jeffrey Selingo joins and outlines this year’s unique admissions climate
• 04:25 – Major factors creating “the craziest” season
• 06:32 – Deluge of applications and inside the process at Duke (and others)
• 08:23 – Early action vs. early decision and who benefits
• 10:00 – Why yield rates matter so much to colleges
• 12:15 – Callers voice financial aid and systemic concerns
• 13:44 – The FAFSA debacle and its impact on decision-making
• 17:24 – Student (Maxine) describes personal experience with impossible standards and test-optional policies
• 19:32 – Selingo on the real impact and intent of test-optional
• 21:25 – Impossible applicant “bar” and advice for reframing college search
• 24:25 – Parent (Jill) on branding, rejection, and the rise in CS applicants
• 26:25 – Selingo: Admissions prioritizes colleges’ needs, not students’
• 28:39 – Can cultural perceptions and data transparency shift the system?

Conclusion

The 2024 college admissions cycle is more competitive, confusing, and anxiety-inducing than ever—driven not just by policy changes, but by a relentless pursuit of prestige at a handful of elite schools. Underneath it all: the needs of institutions, not students, are driving the game. Selingo urges families to broaden their horizons, trust the data on post-college outcomes, and resist the myth that only top-ranked schools offer a path to success.

"Students: Whatever path you are choosing to go down, we wish you the best of luck—and some well-earned rest." – Kusha Navadar (29:27)