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Stephen Thompson
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Justice Sanchez
Roll cameras.
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Stephen Thompson
Let's make this a good Happy Friday, everyone. From NPR Music. It's NEW Music Friday. I'm Stephen Thompson here with Justice Sanchez from KNKX in Seattle and Tacoma. Welcome to the show. Justice hey, Stephen.
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Justice Sanchez
Thanks for having me. Glad to be here.
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Stephen Thompson
Thrilled to have you. The music you are hearing is from De La Soul's new album, cabin in the Sky. It's their first album since 2016 and the first since the death of Trugoi the Dove. We did not get a chance to hear the De La Soul record in its entirety, but we wanted to make sure that we included it on this week's show, especially just given how much sad news has kind of swirled around this band.
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Justice Sanchez
And some triumph, too. I know they got their catalog back, which was a really cool thing for them to happen. And this record, cabin in the sky, was a musical back in the day that had a all black cast in the 1940s. That was a rare thing for the time, this record, they put the track list out. There's amazing features. There is a reunion of Native tongues, a little bit Q Tip is on a song. There's also a song with Bilal. Slick Rick is on the album Black Thought Nas. I'm really excited to dig into this record this weekend.
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Stephen Thompson
This ain't the sit down pillow top.
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Music Snippets / Song Lyrics
Package, peep the tenor boy, we beyond.
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Stephen Thompson
Summertime want that good work Call plug wonder time, stay on the TikTok but.
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This ain't the kitty app Black king.
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Stephen Thompson
Well, let's kick off the show with Tobias Jesso Jr. Tobias Jesso Jr. S new album is called Shine.
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You and I met at a friend's party. You pretended not to know me so ridiculous, should have seen it then, Now I'm wondering why you lived. Cause I could see signs but couldn't heed a warning and you were upset every other morning like a sharp knife had me dancing on the edge. Now I'm wondering why you left.
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Justice Sanchez
This one is his first record in about 10 years, but it's not like he really was taking any time off. He has written prolifically for artists across the board.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah, it's a hugely Long list. A few years ago, he won the Grammy, the very first Grammy for Songwriter of the Year, and won an Album of the Year Grammy because he worked on a song on Harry Styles album, Harry's House. So he's become one of these big hired guns collaborative songwriters, people like Jack Antonoff, people like Dan Nigro, you know, who have had careers as musicians in their own right, but really found their calling and an enormous amount of fortune in, you know, becoming hired gun collaborative songwriters. And so, yeah, it's been 10 years since his one and only album.
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Justice Sanchez
Yeah. And it's just incredibly raw, you know what I mean? It took me a couple listens to really, like, take it in because it was so raw. But the songwriting is beautiful. There's some really standout tracks for me. Like, I think Black Magic, that song hit me the hardest. Yeah, that song has got, like, a kind of a timeless pop energy, I would say. Like, when I was listening, I was like, maybe a little bit of Bruce Springsteen in here from, like, his heyday.
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I'm trying to look away I can't afford it Everyone she touches just a stone I'm stuck inside a candlelit of the world I'm hypnotized I'm hypnotized Hypnotized I'm hypnotized I'm hypnotized.
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Stephen Thompson
One of the first things that kind of jumped out at me listening to this record and kind of thinking about Tobias Jesso Jr. S story and kind of his career arc is listening to this record now. It's hard not to hear it. Almost as, like, proof of concept demos for songs that have the bones of pop music in them, you really get a sense that this is somebody who's been playing around in a pop space and landing on extremely sturdy melodies. And so you mentioned Black Magic and kind of how much fire and intensity he manages to fit into a song that's largely just him at a piano. And you can kind of start to flesh out an arrangement in your head for it as, like, a big old epic. And that happens a bunch of times, I think, on this record. Like, there's a track called Rain where you listen to that song and you can imagine a way that the bones of that song become the skeleton for, like, a big R and B epic.
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Are we just waiting for the rain to fall? Are we waiting just to blame it all on something we giving up Lost all control Tell me Are we waiting for the brain to fall?
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Justice Sanchez
He talked about in, like, the promotional material that he went back to Vancouver, which is his place of birth up in Canada. And he recorded most of this record with his mother's piano.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah. And it's interesting, you know, he sort of, you know, talked about, like, he hasn't really performed live since his album Goon came out in 2015. And there's some talk about, like, that maybe he'll tour, you know, maybe he'll perform, you know, some of these songs. And it's just interesting that that's at a time in his life when his work as a pop collaborator has sort of never been more successful. You know, he won two Grammys in 2023. He's nominated for two Grammys right now. He's nominated for Songwriter of the Year again. He's nominated for Album of the Year again, this time for his work on Justin Bieber's Swag, which has a bunch of amazing collaborators on it. So he's in this interesting spot right, where he's, like, about to kind of go on the awards circuit. But he's also got this very intimate collection of that really puts himself out there, and I really appreciate that about it. That is Tobias Jesso Jr. His new album is called Shine. Next up, Haley Hendricks and Max Garcia Conover. It's called what of Our Nature.
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Come round, you roving dancers if this speaks to the souls you were given if you, like me, have never believed in this kingdom of commerce we live in. Language is the beginning, but language is never enough. And the terrorists look like my mother and do most of the same kind of stuff. Here's to Pedro. Here's to Lolita. Kept looking at what they were seeing like those New York signs on the sidewalk. Crime. No, no Black stocks or Puerto Ricans ekv Valencia Rodriguez in the thousands before and since who talk too fast, get pushed and push back, and then choose to start talking again. So it's Rat.
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Justice Sanchez
I pretty much love the whole record. There's so many standout and also, like, subjects that are not the easiest subject because a lot of it has to do with where we are at here in America and where we have been. And coming from two people of color that are bringing their history and their stories into the folk realm is just really, really awesome to hear.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah, it's interesting kind of reading up on the making of this record because I first started following Haley Hendricks when she kind of came up in, I would say, the late teens. You know, she had an amazing record as a solo artist. She played a Tiny desk concert in 2018. She was very much on our radar. And then I kind of lost track of her over the course of the years. And, you know, she's started working with Max Garcia Conover. They started making this record when they were living, you know, on two different coasts. He was living in Maine, she was living in Oregon. And as they were kind of collaborating from afar, they were also doing a lot of research and doing a lot of wrestling with the state of the country. Max Garcia Conover is half Puerto Rican. Haley Hendricks is half Filipina. And they're wrestling, you know, with. With identity and the people who inspired them, and also wrestling with the legacy of Woody Guthrie and I. Woody Guthrie's influence really comes through in these songs in powerful ways that, along the way, end up conjuring the sounds and images and ideas of a lot of other people who've been inspired by Woody Guthrie. You'll hear echoes of Bob Dylan. You'll hear echoes of Connor Oberst. These songs evoke so many eras of folk music in ways that still feel like they are speaking to the present moment.
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Cop killing coal mine, starvation wages the end times, the headlines the hate was contagious When I get too high I'm dead I complacent and when I need money I take it I think peace, you know me My hat is capacious I swore she was flirting she's just a good waitress I double the dosage Still I feel anxious so when I need something I take it I don't know these horses I don't know what they want to be fed I don't know these horses.
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Justice Sanchez
One of the most tender spots on this record is the song that Haley Hendricks wrote using the words of the labor activist Carlos Bolasan, a Filipino American writer and activist. Beautiful song and kind of a heavy and poignant hook. The hook of that one is, it's easy being quiet it's not easy being alone And I was like, whoa, that song really hit me. I would say the feelings that we have within ourselves that perhaps other people are feeling, that connect us, and I think a lot of that comes through on this record.
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I cross the streets and shadows to hope the whole world won't find out that my rights are still translucent Like a sharp wind in the cold.
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Justice Sanchez
Oh.
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It'S easy being quiet but it ain't.
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Stephen Thompson
The track on this record that really jumped out at me is called this Morning I Am Born Again. And it's conjuring so much of kind of the hope and fury of a lot of great 60s folk singers without feeling. It doesn't feel like a cover. It doesn't feel like a throwback it doesn't feel like it's from some vaulted piece of the Lomax archives. It is a new song, but it is really conjuring those feelings. And you know, I was raised by folk music nerds. You know, my parents loved Peter, Paul and Mary. They loved Bob Dylan, they loved the Weavers, you know, a lot Odetta, you know, they loved a lot of kind of classic folk music. And my first thought when I heard this morning I Am Born Again was I have to send this to my mother because I think she's gonna love it. And I think this is a record that to me, could pull a lot of people into classic folk music and it could make a lot of fans of classic, classic folk music wake up and listen to some of the new music that's being made that still speaks to the same concerns.
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This morning I am light untying unwritten belief I ride the rising horse light as it drives across the creek and breezes lap the brackenback and slip between my teeth and all around in there's evidence.
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Stephen Thompson
That is Haley Hendricks and Max Garcia Conover. That is called what of our Nature. We've got some more records we're going to talk about that are out today, November 21st. But first let's take a quick break.
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There's only emptiness against us.
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Stephen Thompson
From NPR Music, it's NEW Music Friday. I'm Stephen Thompson here with Justice Sanchez of KNKX in Seattle and Tacoma. Justice, tell me, tell me about the station. What's going on?
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Justice Sanchez
Yeah, knkx. I have been here for about two years and it's been incredible. This summer we launched some new programs that are diving into the modern side of jazz and beyond. So we have a show that I host called the Lounge and it's kind of a exploration of where jazz meets modern music, bridging a divide of, you know, the modern sounds that aren't quite jazz, but they're definitely influenced by that. So hopefully bringing in some new listeners who are like fans of Bad Bad, Not Good, or like Hiatus Coyote and like catching their ear with some of those sounds and then, you know, showing them the jazz that has been inspiring people that are creating those sounds.
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Stephen Thompson
I love gateways that move in both directions and it's a perfect segue to our next couple records. Right?
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Justice Sanchez
Yeah.
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Stephen Thompson
Let's kick it off with Sholto. Sholto's new record is called the Sirens.
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Justice Sanchez
That's Scholtol. He is a drummer, band leader from the uk. He is very inspired by the soul jazz era, Kraut rock from the 60s and 70s, and that shines through on this record. One of my favorite tracks is Tied to the Mask. Yes, it's big, it's cinematic. The grooves are just beautiful.
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Stephen Thompson
Well, you know, it's interesting, like kind of reading up on what these songs are about and kind of what inspired him. And you can tell kind of from the song titles and from even the title of the record that he's heavily inspired by Greek myths. He's heavily inspired by movies, you know, which is only natural given how cinematic and kind of score like a lot of these songs are. There's like a there's a track called Ghibli's Dream, you know, that's inspired by the movies of Studio Ghibli. You know, it's dabbling in this kind of mellow futurism and you know, kind of sleek, blooping synths over beats and it would fit in on a movie score. But it's, it's even more expansive than that.
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Justice Sanchez
One thing that I wrote down, the track Lamia, which is named after a Greek mythology monster that eats children, I was like, oh, this feels like a fantasy world, kind of like Hobbit adjacent. And you're like kind of a melodic stomp through a dream forest. And the air sparkles and it's a little damp and everything shines because it's a little damp. That's what I wrote down about the mood of this song. And there's a monster among the trees. And that is apparently Lamia, the child eating Greek mythology Monst.
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Stephen Thompson
You know, I think about the track Purple Flow.
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Justice Sanchez
Oh yeah.
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Stephen Thompson
Kind of sinister and mysterious. A lot of smeared synths, kind of a haunting hook that kind of feels like a voice. And again, I love the way these tracks kind of conjure a swirl of ideas, a swirl of spaces. I think it's one reason the word cinematic comes up so much is it really feels like you're being transported into a place where you have to make up your own visuals. But this music is going to really help your brain do that.
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Justice Sanchez
I was kind of listening from a jazz angle too and I. I don't necessarily hear like some full scale improvisation through the whole record, but I think the way that things drift in and out, it doesn't really feel like it's stiff or anything like that as well. He played the drums and he played a bunch of other instruments on it. So I kind of also imagine that there's a big overarching structure, but I imagine that at some point there's maybe little bits of. Of improvised parts in a lot of these songs.
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Stephen Thompson
It's really cool. That is Sholto. His new album is called the Sirens. Next up, a band I would imagine pretty near and dear to your heart. Snarky Puppy is back with a new album length collaboration with Metropole Orchest. It's called Somni. So for those who aren't familiar, Snarky Puppy is a five time Grammy winning group led by Michael League. Justice and I were talking about Gateways. Their sound kind of moves well beyond jazz. They're working here with the Metropole Orcast, which is a Dutch group that makes kind of symphonic blends of jazz and classical music as well as kind of Pop and more contemporary sounds. Kind of a big band and a symphony rolled into one. And they've. They had made one record before. This is their second kind of album length collaboration. They recorded it live over three nights in January of this year in the Netherlands. Not a ton of audience interactions. You get little smatterings of applause here and there, but man, you really get taken on a journey here.
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Justice Sanchez
It is just such a big record and I was looking into it. There is 74 musicians across this album, from the orchestra to the core of Snarky Puppy, which is like 20 people. And one of the beautiful things about Snarky Puppy and it's nothing new to this record, but they are not afraid to go places and take chances. And I wouldn't 100% say that this is like safe music, you know what I mean? There's huge twists and turns out that capture your ear and really draw you in.
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Stephen Thompson
Thematically, this is an album about dreams. This is an album about dream logic and shape shifting and these kind of liminal spaces that your mind creates as you're drifting into and out of sleep. And each of these pieces is sort of supposed to represent a different part of the experience of being asleep, but like kind of in the most unsettling ways. You know, not necessarily just like strictly nightmares, but recurring dreams. There's a song called Recurrent, which is almost 14 minutes long, and it's mellow. You know, you're asleep, but there are these kind of terrifying outbursts and. And knowing that the piece is about a recurring dream and hearing those outbursts, you're really kind of able to. Again, kind of like we talked about with Sholto, map your own visuals onto it in ways that can, you know, make this a really intense listen.
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Justice Sanchez
And another song that like takes a dark turn is Camaro, which I think is like the third track in. And oh man, it feels like there's like kind of fire and chaos everywhere. And then it kind of.
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Stephen Thompson
The guitar solos. So many big, big guitar solos.
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Justice Sanchez
Yeah, I wrote down World Class Shredding. Another cool part about this too is that there is a video of the whole concert that you can watch too. And it's just beautiful. And it just. They're like in kind of in the round and some of the stats from it are pretty amazing. Just the feat of having such a big recording, you know what I mean? They said they used 410 headphones. There's 256 channels of audio. And in total the crew, including the 74 musicians, was 102 people that got this record together.
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Stephen Thompson
Well, it shows. It is a it is a grand feat. That is Somni new album from Snarky Puppy and Metropole Orchest, just as we've got one more record that we're going to talk about in depth, as well as a lightning round of some of our other their favorite albums out today, November 21st. But first, let's take a quick break.
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Stephen Thompson
I'm Stephen Thompson here with Justice Sanchez of KNKX in Seattle and Tacoma. We've got a lightning round coming up of some of our other favorite albums out today, but we wanted to talk about one more record in depth. Odile Odile is back with a new record called the Fall that Saved Us.
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Music Snippets / Song Lyrics
Silence just ain't working. I guess it cuts too deep. Yeah. Trying to live free, be a brand new person. Still shackles on feet, crying is eating at you. Dragging your eyes in the corner. Is this right? Trying to tell you, Steph, you're going listen.
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Stephen Thompson
So Odile is a guy named Hilary Dennis Oudano. He is a German Nigerian singer songwriter, born in Germany, spent his childhood kind of living around Europe and has moved back and forth between Nigeria and London. And as you can kind of imagine from that biography, his music straddles those two continents, you know, a mixture of kind of classic R and B with a little bit of an Afrobeat vibe. But he is definitely R B first and foremost. He's had a string of EPs and mixtapes dating back to 2017. But he's definitely like building up these kind of industry connections. You know, he's collaborated with Summer Walker and Leon Thomas, who are two huge, huge names right now. And to me, this record, you know, it's nine songs in 24 minutes. And that is all it takes to hook you on that rich, gorgeous voice.
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Justice Sanchez
Talking about the record, he brought up this concept of Lustropolis as a like kind of a place of mind. It's not a physical place, but it kind of translates to a physical place a little bit, but it's not a physical place yet.
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Stephen Thompson
He's definitely given that place a sound. I mean, the song Pretty Girls feels Like, it is emanating from a place called Lustropolis. You know, it's probably the closest he gets here to like a full on sex jam, you know, just very, very, very smooth. But it's so welcoming. And again, you just hang on his voice.
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Prove it and show me, Find me an honest. You got what the pretty girls want.
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Justice Sanchez
Yeah, it is a pretty sensual record, I would say. And I like the. The afrobeat sounds and I think like the low end and like the bass of a lot of these songs really stand out.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah, there's a track called Molotov. You know, he's. He's kind of displayed this really smooth voice throughout the record, but this one has a little bit more of a trap edge to it. The arrangement is dreamy, but his vocal feels very contemporary.
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But I'm tired and exhausted. I'm from Molotov where the bitch is hella cold yeah, I'm from Molotov where.
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Justice Sanchez
The snitch is selling dope yeah, I liked that he had some afrobeat features like Wizkid is on the song Nights in the Sun. In an album full of kind of a dark, moody sensualness. The song Nights in the sun is really bright and it stands apart from the rest of the record. It's like the last song on the album.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah, I mean, it's a classic case of leaving people wanting more and, you know, nine songs in 24 minutes. There's not really a wasted moment here. It really grabs your attention from the jump. Showcases this broad artistic range and absolutely made me want to hear more. That is Odile. His new album is called the Fall that Saved Us Now Justice. Even though it is November 21, the release schedule kind of slows down as we get to the end of the year. You know, kind of fewer and fewer records to choose from each week. Still, nevertheless, hard to narrow it down to just a few records to talk about in this show. So we wanted to do a lightning round of some of our other favorite albums out today. I'm going to kick us off with Keaton Henson for about 15 years now. Keaton Henson, he's a singer, songwriter. He's kind of known for tender, vulnerable heart on the sleeve, indie pop songs kind of in the spirit of like Elliot Smith or Nick Drake. But on his terrific new album, he kind of turns up the volume a little bit in songs that sometimes evoke grunge. They. They still sound like Keaton Henson. They're just rangier, more powerful, more dynamic. Keaton Henson's terrific new album is called Parader.
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Justice Sanchez
Another release that is absolutely worth sitting with is John Schofield on guitar and Dave Holland on bass, and they've been in the jazz world for decades. They both played with Miles Davis. They had a record in 1996 with Herbie Hancock where they were a part of his quartet. And they're together for the first time as a duo. They're just so in tune with each other. This album album is a really good listen, especially if you're sitting down for a mellow evening or cooking some dinner or something like that. John Schofield and Dave Holland's new album is called Memories of Home.
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Stephen Thompson
On his new album, the Brazilian musician Fabiano don Nascimento plays 7 and 8 string guitar in inventive pieces that are sometimes fleshed out with bits of tablas and percussion, as well as an occasional voice here and there. The result is organic and enveloping as it kind of blends the modern and traditional sounds kind of popping up from all over the world. Fabiano Don Nascimento's new album is called Cave Jazz.
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Justice Sanchez
I came across this record from a San Francisco band called Magic Fig, and this is their second release. It is called Valerian Tea, and it is just played, playful, tasty, psychedelic music. It's blissed out and full of wonder and fantasy. I enjoyed this record a whole bunch, and it kind of feels like an alternative soundtrack to that show Adventure Time in some ways. But Magic Fig's new album is called Valerian Tea.
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Pour me a cup of valerian tea I'll tell you my troubles, you'll tell yours to me bread is red and green is green Pour me a cup of malarian tea.
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Stephen Thompson
Finally, we are headed into awards season whether we like it or not. One of the big movies getting a lot of attention is Chloe Zhao's Hamnet. It's about Agnes and William Shakespeare and the son that they lose. The score will hopefully grab some awards attention of its own. It's about the great Max Richter, who's made some of the 21st century's greatest contemporary classical music. This one is as sad and sweeping and beautiful as you might expect. That is Max Richter and his new score for Hamnet. Now, Justice Sanchez, you and I listen to a lot of music. I think you listen to a ton of music to prepare for this show. This is where we like to just, like, put each other on the spot. Pick out the one track that you're gonna remember the most after all those hours of listening. It can be from anything we talked about. It could even be from something we.
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Justice Sanchez
Didn'T talk about that's tough. I think the song from Haley Hendrix and Max Garcia Conover, the, the single is just glorious. Fluorescent Light. It's perfect because, you know, lyrically, it's talking about, it's talking about America and how we're under fluorescent light a lot of the time. And it doesn't really matter if you're in prison or in school. So this fluorescent light to this overarchingness of, of, you know, America, it's pervasive no matter where you're from or what side of society you're on.
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There was an ancient part. There was an ancient song. Now something isn't right now we live in fluorescent light.
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Stephen Thompson
Look, you know, usually at this point in the show, the co host and I will talk about different records, but I'm also gonna talk, I'm also gonna pick from the Hayley Hendricks and Max Garcia Conover record. And I did talk about it in the segment this morning. I Am Born Again is a song I'm gonna come back to again and again. This feels like a direct spiritual descendant of a lot of the music that I heard in my house growing up. And so it was very, very powerful for me. I kind of had a ratatouille moment when, like the food critic bites into the ratatouille and suddenly he's a child again. I had a experience listening to this song.
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I've seen pasture after pasture and there are fragments in the air. I've seen bodies flown and bodies thrown and bodies shown such care I've gathered up my own and there were still so many there asking who is making up these questions.
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Stephen Thompson
That is our show for this week. Thank you so much, Justice Sanchez, for taking time out of your week at KNKX in Seattle and Tacoma.
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Justice Sanchez
Yes, indeed, my pleasure, Stephen. Thanks for having me on the show. This has been a super fun time.
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Stephen Thompson
It has been great to have you. Look forward to having you back. If you enjoyed this week's show, we always appreciate a positive review on Apple or Spotify or whatever app you're listening to right now. This episode was produced by Noah Caldwell and edited by Otis Hart. The executive producer of NPR Music is Soraya Mohan Mohammed. We'll be back next week to discuss new Black Friday Record Store Day releases. Until then, take a moment to be well, make a plan for Record Store Day. It's next weekend. And treat yourself to lots of great music.
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