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Robin Hilton
I'm Robin Hilton. We're looking back at our number one songs from the past 25 years as part of the show's anniversary. Our quarter century anniversary doing a different year each week. Stephen Thompson here, as always.
Stephen Thompson
It's great to be here, Robin.
Robin Hilton
You know, the whole time we've been doing this series, looking back at each year, I've let you go first every single time. But I'm gonna go first this time.
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Stephen Thompson
Okay, fine.
Robin Hilton
Yeah. Because there was Nothing greater from 2016.
Stephen Thompson
Than basically, there's only one correct answer. So you're probably stealing my pick because there is only one correct answer.
Robin Hilton
Well, okay, let's just hit it. And you're gonna know it immediately, I think.
Stephen Thompson
Nope, not the correct answer.
Robin Hilton
Come on. You know what this is, though?
Stephen Thompson
This is Beyonce.
Robin Hilton
Yeah.
Stephen Thompson
Oh, Is this Don't hurt yourself with Jack White? This isn't one of my go tos from this record. I mean, this is a great record.
Guest Singer/Performer
Don't hurt yourself. Do I hurt yourself? Who the do you think I am? You ain't married to no average boy. You can watch my fat ass twist, boy as I bounce to the next day boy, it keep your money, I got my own Keep a bigger smile on my face Being alone bad motherfucker God complex motivated bait your ass call me Malcolm X, your operator innovator you hater. You can't recreate. I know you never recreate.
Robin Hilton
I know. Got to wait for the.
Stephen Thompson
For that.
Guest Singer/Performer
We just got to let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be baby, you just got to let it be, Let it be, let it be, let it be. You hurt yourself, don't hurt yourself. Will you diss me?
Robin Hilton
You diss yourself. Well, here's the thing. So don't hurt yourself from lemonade.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah.
Robin Hilton
To me, a once in a generation album.
Stephen Thompson
Such a great record.
Robin Hilton
Incredible.
Stephen Thompson
I'd have gone with freedom.
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Robin Hilton
I was gonna say there are maybe better songs on this album, and there may be more important songs on this album. There are. But what I loved about this one is it was Beyonce stepping into the rock space and absolutely destroying.
Stephen Thompson
Destroying it.
Robin Hilton
This whole album blew my mind. And then the. And then the film.
Stephen Thompson
Oh, my God.
Robin Hilton
Around it too. I remember watching it. Next day, came into work, everyone's talking about it, and somebody said, everyone will remember where they were when they saw that. And then someone else said, yeah, they're living room.
Stephen Thompson
I was gonna say watching tv.
Robin Hilton
You were watching television when that aired. But I thought that this was a monumental, like I said, once in a generation achievement. This whole, this whole record. Like, I don't know how anything could ever top it when I heard it.
Stephen Thompson
It's a superb record and it's a superb record across many genres.
Robin Hilton
Yeah.
Stephen Thompson
You know, when she ended up, you know, putting out Cowboy Carter and finally winning the album of the year Grammy and everything, it was like, wow, look, she showed that she can operate in this space. It's like, of course she could operate in this space.
Robin Hilton
I mean there is so many.
Stephen Thompson
The proof of concept has existed for album after album. Her self titled record is maybe my favorite of her.
Robin Hilton
Oh, okay.
Stephen Thompson
I mean, it's neck and neck between that and lemonade. But.
Robin Hilton
But I mean, you don't win album of the year for a record like this. I mean that, that was just like, that's it. I am out.
Stephen Thompson
I'm done.
Robin Hilton
I, I know I've said that every year with the Grammys, literally every year with the Grammys. But this is what I think of when I think of 2016.
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Yeah.
Stephen Thompson
For albums. I think that makes all the sense in the world. But the reason I was like, well, there is only one correct answer.
Robin Hilton
I bet I know. I bet I know what you're going to pick.
Stephen Thompson
So, so song wise to me. This is if I, if you just. If you just said, Stephen Thompson, what is the best song of the 2010s? Like, what is the best song of that decade? My immediate thought would be the following.
Robin Hilton
Your Best American Girl by Mits.
Guest Singer/Performer
If I could but be a little spoon and kiss your fingers forevermore. But big spoon, you have so much to do and I have nothing to let of me. You're the sun, you've never seen the night but you hear its song from the morning birds. Well, I'm not the moon, I'm not even a star. But awake at night I'll be singing to the birds. Don't wait for me, I can't go. You're more than a prayer how my mother raised me. But I do all I think I do. And you're an unmas trying to be your best king.
Robin Hilton
You might be right, man. Every time I hear this song and when that drop comes in, it is just the anthem of, of our lifetime. I mean, it's incredible.
Stephen Thompson
I mean, not for nothing, it's also a song that speaks to identity and speaks to the the. The songwriter's place, place in the world and how she sees herself and how she feels she fits into her relationship and her identity. The song has big ideas around it, but it also has this moment where that guitar kicks in. And look, the landscape of rock and roll is strewn with killer riffs, right? That is the engine that drives the rock and roll economy is, you know, is big riffs. But like, I don't know if I don't know how your. How your brain works, I can't know the inside of your mind. For me, when that guitar kicks in, there is an animation that my brain manufactures of Mitsky standing astride like a stack of amplifiers. And when that chorus kicks in, the camera pans back to reveal that what she is standing on is a mountain made of amplifier. There is so much heft and power and just force behind the way that guitar comes in. I really sometimes have the feeling when I hear that song of like, why doesn't every song kick ass as hard as this song kicks ass? Yeah.
Robin Hilton
You know, let me tell you, as someone who records a lot of music and plays a lot of music, and there are so many ways to get guitar fuzz and distortion. There's any number of combination of pedals and effects and things like that. And I can't tell you how many times I and I know every other guitarist and musician out there has tried all these different combinations, trying to come up with just the perfect fuzz, the perfect distortion.
Stephen Thompson
What will rule just a little bit harder?
Robin Hilton
Can you just make it rule? And there have been a handful of guitarists and albums and songs over the years where you hear it and you think they found it. They found the perfect guitar noise, guitar distortion and fuzz. And you hear that on that, like when that chord, that power chord kicks in, it couldn't be more perfect. Like, please show me your effects chain. How did you come up with that sound?
Guest Singer/Performer
It is such a perfect sound. Crazy, but I do. I finally do you guess I could be the best American girl of how my mother think I do.
Robin Hilton
Let's take a break here and we'll talk about some of the other stuff we remember most from 2016. When we come back.
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Robin Hilton
Well, one thing about the year 2016, I don't think we can look back at that time without stopping to consider how many musicians we lost that year. Like, it was a weird year, and.
Stephen Thompson
It really was kind of unrelenting throughout the year. And it began in January with David Bowie and ended in December with George.
Robin Hilton
Michael, and Leonard Cohen was along the way. Leonard Cohen, Prince.
Stephen Thompson
Fife Dog.
Robin Hilton
Prince died in 2016.
Stephen Thompson
Did I not say Prince? You didn't say Prince in the first sentence.
Robin Hilton
That was not in your first breath. No, Prince, Merle Haggard, Sharon Jones. It was a staggering year of losses. And in some of those cases, it happened right after we got what ended up being the last album from some of these singers.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, in January. David Bowie. Like, first week of January, David Bowie was releasing an album called Blackstar and Advance, you know, for us. You know, advances kind of trickled out a few days before it came out, and I put it on. I'm like, this is the best thing this guy's done in years. And I not only was excited about the record, but I really had this thought of like, man, he's still got it. I can't wait to hear more music. And within days, they announced that he had died. And it really, unfortunately, was a harbinger of an incredibly rough year.
Robin Hilton
Well, I'm glad you brought up Black Star, because if I had to pick a Song from that one, I would say Lazarus.
Stephen Thompson
Lazarus. Stunning song.
Guest Singer/Performer
Look up here I'm in heaven I've got scars that can't be seen I've got drama can't be stolen. Everybody knows me now.
Robin Hilton
It really is a staggering record.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, he's working with some of the best musicians on earth, and it shows. And there's a. There's a certain humility to that, you know, where he's front and center, but he's giving space to all these other artists, and the result is just tremendous.
Robin Hilton
And then later in the year, in October, we got an album from Leonard Cohen called you Want It Darker. And just like a couple weeks after that came out, then we lost Leonard Cohen as well.
Stephen Thompson
You know, both of those records can't help but be in conversation with the circumstances surrounding their release. And so Leonard Cohen's record, when you're suddenly realizing that he is making this record with such an awareness of his imminent mortality, it. You know, as the kids say, it hits different.
Robin Hilton
Yeah.
Guest Singer/Performer
If you are the dealer, I'm out of the game. If you are the healer Means I'm broken and lame. If thine is the glory, Then mine must be the shame. You want it darker? We kill the flame magnified. Sanctified be thy holy name vilified, Crucified in the human frame. A million candles burning for the help that never came. You want it darker.
Robin Hilton
I remember one thing about this, and when I first heard the record and we didn't know he had so little time left, I remember thinking, 82 years old, and he makes this record that's just amazing. And I've thought of him often over the years, whenever. Because now there are so many incredible musicians who've gotten reached their 80s, and they're still recording and making incredible music. But what else from 2016?
Stephen Thompson
Well, one of the biggest records, just from a standpoint of the year in music, and just kind of titanic artistic achievements that we were really celebrating at the end of the year. I think we have to mention Solange.
Guest Singer/Performer
Oh, that's right.
Stephen Thompson
A seat at the table, you know, and she hasn't put out a record since 2016. But, you know, at the time, it was really like she was giving lemonade a run for its money. You know, Solange's Beyonce's sister. And, you know, they both made these very, very different, extremely ambitious, thoughtful, and searching records. You go back and listen to Cranes in the sky from that record, and that is. That is a killer song.
Guest Singer/Performer
I tried to drink it away I tried to put one in the air I tried to dance it away I tried to change it with my hair I wear my credit card below Thought a new dress would make it better.
Robin Hilton
You talk about giving Lemonade a run for its money. NPR Music had a vote. And we actually ended up picking Solange's record as the number one album that year. And I remember being in the room when we realized that we were all kind of, like, looking at each other.
Stephen Thompson
And we're like, well, okay, so we're doing this.
Robin Hilton
I guess we're doing this. But yeah. Another one I'd mentioned for 2016 is Radiohead's a Moon Shaped Pool. It had the song Daydreaming.
Guest Singer/Performer
Dreamers. They never learn, they never learn beyond the point of no Return. Of no.
Stephen Thompson
Return.
Robin Hilton
Such a gorgeous song. I really love this album. And, you know, it's been almost a decade now since Radioheads put anything out, but I just read this amazing interview with them Where.
Guest Singer/Performer
Where?
Stephen Thompson
With Tom York?
Robin Hilton
No, it was the whole band. With the whole band in the Sunday Times. And they talked about how they just really needed to take a break. I think Thom York said that the wheels had kind of fallen off. He hadn't taken any time to grieve the loss of his wife, and they just needed the time. But, you know, they're about to go on tour again.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah. And as far as taking a break for Tom York just means he's putting out records as the Smile. He's putting out records as Tom York.
Robin Hilton
I mean, with Mark Pritchard.
Stephen Thompson
With Mark Pritchard, he had a record out this year.
Robin Hilton
Yeah, they've all been doing solo projects. Johnny Greenwood, all his film scoring and everything. But what else for 2016?
Stephen Thompson
Well, I mean, I know we have talked. We have talked about Bon Iver on this show.
Robin Hilton
Bon Iver Jar.
Stephen Thompson
Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times dating Back to like 2007, 2008. But my favorite record of 2016 was that Bon Iver record, 22aMillion. There's a song called Seven.
Guest Singer/Performer
Down along the Creek. I remember something. Heard the heron Hurried away First I breached At Last Sunday.
Stephen Thompson
It is so. I listened to it just the other day and it is still so, so beautif.
Robin Hilton
Yeah. Would you say this was sort of a turning point for Justin Vernon and Bon Iver? Like, it was pretty clear the direction he wanted to go with his music and not just stay in the forever Go Lang.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, I mean, I think in general, like, he is very resistant to making the same record twice and the fact that he has made as many great records as he has constantly pivoting to something new speaks not only to his talent but to the legacy that he has built.
Robin Hilton
Well, if you're gonna mention Bonaver again, then I'm gonna mention Wilco again because.
Stephen Thompson
We gotta be us.
Robin Hilton
Robin, Because Wilco had an album out in 2016, Wilco Schmilco, and it has what is my all time favorite Wilco song. And there are many contenders for that.
Stephen Thompson
I was gonna say that's one of your favorite bands and they have, they have some great songs.
Robin Hilton
Yeah, there's no shortage of songs I could pick. But my favorite Wilco song opens the record. It's called Normal American Kids.
Guest Singer/Performer
Remind myself of myself long ago Before I could drive before I could vote all the time holding a grudge Before I knew people could die Just because Shot from the sling head full of buzz I knew what I liked was not very much high at the time tied to the grid Always afraid of those normal American kids I just don't.
Robin Hilton
Think I've ever heard a song, at least for me, that so perfectly captures what it's like to be a disaffected, angry young kid in this country. And he's back, you know, like just the, all the little images that he and things that he brings up. And it really resonate with me. I remember we did the NPR Music 10th Anniversary show at the 9:30 Club in 2017. So this record had only been out about a year and Jeff played a solo set and I was backstage screaming between every song going normal American Kids. And I remember one time he looked back and he kind of like squinted like, who is that lunatic back there? We'll go out on this. We could keep going, but we'll go out on this. From Wilco Shmilko, Normal American Kids. And until next time when we do 2017, thanks as always, Stephen.
Stephen Thompson
Thank you, Robin.
Robin Hilton
And for NPR Music, I'm Robin Hilton. It's all songs considered.
Guest Singer/Performer
High as high as I can loom under the sheets in my bedroom I was high as I can get Always afraid of those normal American kids.
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Host: Robin Hilton (NPR)
Guest: Stephen Thompson
Date: November 3, 2025
This episode is part of the "quarter century anniversary" series, revisiting NPR’s top songs from each year since All Songs Considered began in 2000. Robin Hilton and Stephen Thompson delve into the music of 2016—sharing their top picks, reflecting on monumental albums, and discussing the emotional resonance of a year marked by both astounding releases and significant losses in the music world.
Beyoncé – "Don’t Hurt Yourself" (from Lemonade)
Robin says, “There was nothing greater from 2016.” [00:42]
Calls Lemonade a "once in a generation album." [02:41]
Loves Beyoncé "stepping into the rock space and absolutely destroying.” [02:53]
Reminisces about watching the Lemonade film and the cultural impact:
“Everyone will remember where they were when they saw that. And then someone else said, yeah, their living room.” – Robin [03:23]
Stephen notes the album spans many genres and was a proof of concept for everything Beyoncé would later achieve—including her Grammy win for Cowboy Carter:
"The proof of concept has existed for album after album." – Stephen [04:15]
Stephen’s alternative pick from Lemonade would be "Freedom." [02:47]
Mitski – "Your Best American Girl"
"Every time I hear this song and when that drop comes in, it is just the anthem of, of our lifetime." – Robin [06:46]
"There is an animation that my brain manufactures of Mitski standing astride like a stack of amplifiers... she is standing on a mountain made of amplifier." – Stephen [07:27] "Why doesn't every song kick ass as hard as this song kicks ass?" [08:05]
"Please show me your effects chain. How did you come up with that sound?" [08:53]
Both reflect on the staggering number of major artists lost in 2016, including:
Stephen shares his experience hearing Bowie’s Blackstar:
“I put it on. I’m like, this is the best thing this guy’s done in years... within days, they announced that he had died. And it really, unfortunately, was a harbinger of an incredibly rough year.” – Stephen [12:54–13:32]
“As the kids say, it hits different.” – Stephen [15:19]
“…at the time, it was really like she was giving Lemonade a run for its money.” [16:46]
“We were all kind of, like, looking at each other… I guess we’re doing this." – Robin [17:55]
Key Song: "Cranes in the Sky"
“…so perfectly captures what it’s like to be a disaffected, angry young kid in this country.” [22:04]
“I was backstage screaming between every song going ‘Normal American Kids’…. He looked back and he kind of squinted like, who is that lunatic back there?” [22:33]
On Beyoncé’s Genre-Bending:
“What I loved about this one is it was Beyonce stepping into the rock space and absolutely destroying.” – Robin Hilton [02:53]
On Mitski’s Iconic Guitar Sound:
“There have been a handful of guitarists and albums and songs over the years where you hear it and you think they found it. They found the perfect guitar noise, guitar distortion... it couldn't be more perfect.” – Robin Hilton [08:53]
On David Bowie’s Blackstar:
“I put it on. I'm like, this is the best thing this guy’s done in years... within days, they announced that he had died.” – Stephen Thompson [12:54]
On Solange’s Impact:
“At the time, [Solange] was really giving Lemonade a run for its money.” – Stephen Thompson [16:46]
“We were all kind of, like, looking at each other… I guess we’re doing this.” – Robin Hilton [17:59]
On Wilco’s “Normal American Kids”:
“I just don't think I've ever heard a song, at least for me, that so perfectly captures what it's like to be a disaffected, angry young kid in this country.” – Robin Hilton [22:04]
The episode blends deep musical knowledge with warmth and nostalgia. The hosts, longtime music lovers and collaborators, share personal recollections and musical analyses, balancing fun banter with moving reflections on the music and artists that shaped 2016.
Listeners looking to revisit 2016’s pivotal tracks or learn the backstory of each, alongside engaging critical insight, will find this episode a rich resource and a bittersweet retrospective on an unforgettable music year.