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Stephen Thompson
Note before the show. This episode contains explicit language.
Robin Hilton
All right. It's All Songs Considered. I'm Robin Hilton. Here is Stephen Thompson. Hey, Stephen.
Stephen Thompson
It's good to be here, Robin.
Robin Hilton
So we're in the home stretch here all the way up to 2021. We're only going to 2024, doing the first 25 years of All Songs Considered, starting with 2000 and then going up to 2024 through 2024, 2025, TBD. But let's look at 2021. What do you think of with music in the year 2021? Should be a lot easier now.
Stephen Thompson
Well, do I pick my favorite song of 2021?
Robin Hilton
I bet I know what that is.
Stephen Thompson
Or do I pick the song that most embodies 2021? Because, you know, 2021 still deep. Pandemic. Yeah, still, you know.
Robin Hilton
Well, we're starting to get all the stuff that everyone made during 2020.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, you're starting to get pandemic culture. You're starting to get, like, culture that is not only something that we. That we enjoyed and processed during the pandemic, but works that are about the pandemic. So what do you want? Do you want the. My favorite song or the song that most embodies 2021?
Robin Hilton
Let's go with your favorite song because I bet I know what it's going to be.
Stephen Thompson
Oh, I'm not sure you do.
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Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
I got dreams.
Robin Hilton
Okay. It's not what I thought it was.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
Going to be to buy expensive things.
And I know that he's out there. So where's my millionaire?
Robin Hilton
I'm not gonna get this.
Stephen Thompson
This is Jasmine Sullivan from her album Hoe Tales. The song is called the Other side, and it's just a fantasy about making it big, but through another person. And it's a really hauntingly beautiful song. Her phrasing is just brilliant. It's one of the best R and B records of the 21st century. And a song that I just kept coming back to again.
Robin Hilton
So were you. Isn't that the year Hard Drive by Cassandra Jenkins came out in 2020? 2021.
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, it absolutely is. And maybe. And maybe that's my favorite song of 2021. Well.
Robin Hilton
Or I thought maybe maybe that's the song that you think maybe spoke to the times more than the others. And then my other option for you would have been Amy Shark's Amy Shark.
Stephen Thompson
That's a great song. That is a terrific song. We also didn't mention silk chiffon by Muna. I could. Oh, man, I could have gone in so many directions.
Robin Hilton
So what's the song that you think spoke to the times the most?
Stephen Thompson
Well, that would be this.
Robin Hilton
Stunning 8K resolution meditation app. Is this Bo Burnham?
Stephen Thompson
Yes.
Robin Hilton
In honor of the revolution.
Stephen Thompson
It's half off at the Gap.
Deadpool. Self awareness, Loving parents, Harmless fun.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
The backlash to the backlash to the.
Stephen Thompson
Thing that's just begun.
Robin Hilton
I don't know the song, though.
Stephen Thompson
There it is again that funny feeling that funny feeling. There it is again that funny feeling.
Robin Hilton
Is it called that Funny Feeling?
Stephen Thompson
Yeah, that's that Funny Feeling by Bo Burnham from his Netflix comedy special Inside, which was a comedy special he recorded entirely inside his house as he's sort of coming unglued by the isolation and the anxiety around the pandemic. And it's really, to me, the towering example of kind of the best of pandemic isolation entertainment, like works that were created of and for that moment in history. And that song in particular is really kind of summing up that sense of overwhelm.
Robin Hilton
Well, I have one that speaks to all of those things and themes that you just mentioned.
Stephen Thompson
Is it Butter by bts?
Robin Hilton
It's not Butter by bts.
Stephen Thompson
I love that song.
Robin Hilton
This is a song that I remember. When I heard it, I just bawled my eyes out because it was so beautiful. And I remember thinking, song of the year. I'll be very curious to see if you get this.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
When did it happen? I still can't recall it. Life wasn't enough until after I typed it. Tell me a secret. I still won't believe it. Till after you shot it? Till you make it public.
Stephen Thompson
Is this Elizabeth in the Catapult?
Robin Hilton
Yeah. I mean, she just said her name.
Stephen Thompson
Well, she said her name is Elizabeth. And I'm like, this does sound like Elizabeth in the Catapult.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
I am just phoning it in, quite literally. I lost the poetry. I'm texting without feeling the song. Without meaning. A dog without a bone I'm talking without speaking Together, alone.
Together.
Stephen Thompson
I don't know if I was still following everything they were putting out in 2020.
Robin Hilton
Well, that's the thing at this point. She'd been putting out music for 20 years.
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Stephen Thompson
You know, some really great stuff.
Robin Hilton
Great stuff. And then she drops this album called Sincerely E, and it has this song called Together Alone.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
My brain is connected to my hand, it's connected to my phone.
One more photo of a wedding or a picture perfect home.
Lying in bed late in the evening. You're never alone even when you are sleeping. My brain is connected to my hand is connected to my phone.
Robin Hilton
So much of it is just her and her piano, but like the lyrics in this song are just all about My brain is connected to my hand is connected to my phone. One more photo of a wedding or a picture perfect tone. It's just so. It's heartbreaking. It is just so crushing, so beautiful. I just think she so perfectly captures just that whole era of being alone, doom scrolling on your phone, wanting some sort of connection with the outside world and unable to reach it. She called this whole album Sincerely East. She called it a love letter to everyone who's been stuck at home and who was stuck at home and struggling during that time. And yeah, probably my favorite song of the year.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
Do you ever think that you're too young to be complaining about your memory?
Robin Hilton
Okay, we do need to take a quick break here, but when we come back we'll talk about some of the other stuff that stands out to us from 2021.
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Stephen Thompson
Yeah, we haven't even gotten into like Olivia Rodrigo broke through in 2021, you know, with a pop record that, you know, was full of these big Paramore vibes that, you know, was fun and kind of poignant at the same.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
We cross I still hear your voice in the traffic we're laughing over all the noise God, I'm so blue Nowhere soon But I still fucking love you Bab.
Stephen Thompson
Driver's license Driver's license was the first, but then there were a bunch of kind of spikier, punkier pop songs. Big Thief put out one of my favorite songs of that year with little things.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
A little stronger.
Everything we talk about.
L City is a crowded place.
That'S just a shadow face.
Stephen Thompson
We could keep rattling off songs from 2021. Matty Diaz put out a phenomenal record in 2021 called History of a Feeling.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
And I found new ways to count the days that you're not in.
Stephen Thompson
And.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
There'Ll come a time when you won't be on my mind every second doesn't that count for something?
I still get a tremor every time I face west.
Stephen Thompson
Really, I I could keep going far longer than anyone would.
Robin Hilton
Want to listen that ship has already sailed But I would go with Girl in Red Serotonin came out that year.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
I'm running low on serotonin Chemical imbalance got me twisting things stabilized with medicine there's no depth to these feelings Dig deep, can't hide from the corners of my mind I'm terrified of what's inside.
I got intrusive thoughts like cutting my hands off like jumping in front of a bus like how do I make the stop when it feels like my therapist hates me Please don't let me go crazy Put me in a field with daisies Might not work, but I'll take them maybe been breaking daily but only me can save me so I'm.
Robin Hilton
Capitulating Crying like a silly baby Dodies hate myself could it be different?
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
Did it ruin the day or do you look angry oh, what did I say?
Filling in the gaps Build a problem that neither of us need Something wrong with me.
I'M getting desperate Losing my mind? Oh, how do we get here every time?
One more fold the arms? One more do the dance? Really is no need something more with me?
No, I don't think I can help.
Nope. Oh, so logical. I'm not magical? I can't read your mind but how can you not hear the whole conversation? I've sincetill with the brain on fire. I know, it's amazing. Eyes closed isn't helping me go quite ahead myself.
Stephen Thompson
You're a big Dodie.
Robin Hilton
Very big Dodie fan. Love that one. I mentioned Amy Shark's song. Amy Shark, which you turned me on to.
Stephen Thompson
Beautiful.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
I grew up in a small house near a cemetery? You could hear them howl as they lower the ones they love in the ground?
I pulled out my own baby teeth? The pain never seemed to bother me? I made friends with the kids down the street?
I better go, it's getting late? I've been outside all day on the walk home? Work out what I'll say?
I still lose it every now and then in an interview or photo shoot? I could be halfway through a show and it all comes creeping in.
Robin Hilton
And.
Song Lyrics / Guest Singer
I've sacrificed all my friends, Birthdays, weddings, everything? And it's heartbreaking but this is my dream.
And I did it all without a phone call or Christmas Christmas card? You have no heart. This is my way of saying don't start.
Robin Hilton
So heartbreaking, so beautiful. Uncle Chris's Car by Joel Joel Ortiz. He dropped that. That year was another incredible song.
Joel Ortiz
24 hours later, we and my uncle Chris Carr made a left into the projects and the life of being pissed Paul Onesie sliding up and down the hallway on the sixth floor note in my hand borrowing cooking oil from Ms. Moore kicking on the witch door Jumping down a flight stairs clearing the syringes. Luckily I was dope enough to miss them shits by inches. Moms in front the building getting splinters on the benches while the hustlers made a killing doing dealings near the entrance. Survival in the trenches. Detectives in them trenches showing pictures of the people I would grow up to be friends with. By the time I turned 16, I respected a gun kick. Emptied out this one clip in Bushwick on some dumb shit. Saw that crack money immediately started selling Poured some grams on Kosciusko in 9 7.
Stephen Thompson
What a great year.
Robin Hilton
What a great year 2021 was.
Oh man. But we'll go out on this. Until next time, thanks as always, Stephen.
Stephen Thompson
Thank you, Robin.
Robin Hilton
And for NPR Music, I'm Robin Hilton.
Joel Ortiz
It's all songs I was living that day and night. Mom's like, don't throw away your life, but this my way of life. Plus, if God really wanted me to get far, then why my uncle Chris Carr go left. He should have made a right.
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Air date: December 8, 2025
Hosts: Robin Hilton & Stephen Thompson
In this episode, Robin Hilton and Stephen Thompson look back at 2021—a year marked by the ongoing pandemic and its cultural aftermath—to share and discuss their favorite tracks, the songs that defined the moment, and what stood out musically. They dive into both personal selections and broader cultural touchstones, underscoring how music released that year captured the confusion, isolation, longing, and tentative hopes of the time.
On the challenge of defining the year:
"Do I pick my favorite song of 2021? Or do I pick the song that most embodies 2021? Because, you know, 2021 still deep. Pandemic."
— Stephen Thompson (00:51)
On isolation and digital malaise:
"My brain is connected to my hand, it's connected to my phone. One more photo of a wedding or a picture perfect tone. It's just so… It’s heartbreaking."
— Robin Hilton (06:17–06:37)
On pandemic-created art:
"It's really, to me, the towering example of kind of the best of pandemic isolation entertainment, like works that were created of and for that moment in history."
— Stephen Thompson, discussing Bo Burnham (04:33)
This episode is a heartfelt and detail-rich curation of 2021’s defining music, layered with personal connection, contextual insight, and a sense of both the upheaval and beauty that characterized the time. The hosts’ picks spotlight how artists processed, chronicled, and even transcended the year’s uncertainty—making sense of it in ways only music can.
Host sign-off:
"What a great year 2021 was." — Robin Hilton (16:00)
"Thank you, Robin." — Stephen Thompson (16:09)