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All The Smoke
Gavin Newsom Wants ALL THE SMOKE With Donald Trump, MAGA Knee Pads & $400 Million Dollar Bribes
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Gisele Bryant
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Nicole Moss
Tonight at 10, 9 Central on BET. An all new episode of 106 in Sports from executive producers LeBron James and Maverick Carter. It's a new top five countdown with hosts Ashley, Nicole Moss and Cam Newton. They're breaking down the top moments in sports, culture and entertainment and highlighting both established pros and the stars on the come up. Watch the all new series 106 in sports tonight at 109 Central on BET or catch up the next day on BET.
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Johnny Knoxville
Hello America's sweetheart. Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless Hillbilly Heist from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money Players. It's a wild tale about a gang of high functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist.
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Gavin Newsom
Kind of like Robin Hood, except for the part where he steals from the rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous.
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Johnny Knoxville
It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.
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Gavin Newsom
They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape. So we're sitting like oh God, what do we do? What do we do? That was dumb. People do not follow my example.
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Johnny Knoxville
Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Sophia
I live below a cult leader and I fear I've angered her.
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Gavin Newsom
Wait a minute, Sophia. How do you know she's a cult leader.
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Sophia
Well, Dakota, luckily it's I'm not afraid of a scary story week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my neighbor has been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals and now my ceiling is collapsing. I tried to report them, but things keep getting weirder. I think they might be part of a cult.
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Gavin Newsom
Hold up. A real life cult. And what is a dirt ritual?
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Sophia
No clue, Dakota. Find out how it ends. Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jack
Welcome back to all the smoke, Jack. It's been a minute, bro.
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Nicole Moss
Glad to be back, bro.
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Jack
Last time I seen you, your braids were like 2 inches shorter on the back of your neck and you dripped and. Yeah, I heard him snapping.
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Nicole Moss
You did? Yes.
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Jack
It's good to see you. Good to see you, man. Today we got a good one. Everybody knows how much I'm into politics and policy, and when I got the call from my guy Chris about this one, I was really excited. Councilor Bros. Yeah, come on, Chris and Jaron, we got some cool shit coming with them. We'll tell you about that later. But anyway, man, welcome to the show. The governor of California, Gavin Newsom.
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Gavin Newsom
Good to be here, man.
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Jack
Appreciate it. Appreciate it. My guy. Thank you.
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Nicole Moss
That's my guy. That's my guy. Y' all don't know, but that's my guy.
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Jack
I want to get this out the way off the rip. When you were mayor of San Francisco, what the hell were you thinking when you made April 12, 2008, Steven Jackson Day?
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Nicole Moss
See, what they don't know is I was in the community waiting for all the George Floyd. So I've been doing my part. Y' all just don't know. Tim G. Look at that.
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Gavin Newsom
Look at that.
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Jack
Hanging out in Bayview, man.
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Gavin Newsom
Western edition.
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Jack
And we were everywhere.
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Gavin Newsom
That's it, man. Community. See, he was a community leader back then. Not just a leader on the floor.
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Jack
Yeah, you didn't see. You didn't see him after dark, but I feel you.
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Gavin Newsom
No, you just all. You're all raw that I didn't do one for you, man.
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Jack
That's all right.
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Gavin Newsom
It ain't. You know, depending how this thing goes, maybe I can do one, you know.
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Jack
As governor, man, State, ain't no telling.
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Nicole Moss
And the basketball court is still there as well. We had. We did a basketball court to the side.
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Gavin Newsom
So.
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Jack
Yeah, tell us about that day and how special it was to you because we were creating this rundown And Jack's like, you know, he gave me a day. I was like, huh?
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Nicole Moss
Yeah.
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Jack
Shout out to. Then I remember you telling me about it.
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Nicole Moss
Shout out to Nita Berry. That was working for the warriors at the time. When I got there, I was coming from a situation where I got in some trouble, Indy, and it was helping. I wanted to clean my image up. And I was already doing stuff in the community, and Oakland just felt like a bigger Port Arthur. When I Port Arthur, Texas, it felt like a bigger home to me. So I just got in the community, started doing things, and it just felt natural to the point where I was doing something every weekend. I wanted to donate a court, start giving stuff back. And I was honored by you and the city. And it was just something that I never thought I'd have. But as of today, I have four days in four cities, four different states.
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Jack
Can we get a round of applause, please? Can we get a round of applause? I'm all over the place now. Thank you very much. You set the tone, right? He set the tone.
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Gavin Newsom
It's kind of like Monopoly. Maybe you can turn those in for a key. Yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Moss
Well, you know, I have upgrade four.
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Jack
Keys to four cities in four states. Look at you.
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Nicole Moss
I started with you, so I appreciate it.
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Gavin Newsom
I love that. First of all, I love that you remember that. But also, those days were fun. We started literally going to Bayview, and we did something I never forget around Those same years, 2006, 7, 8, back in the we Believe days, and we started doing these basketball tournaments, and we did March Gladness.
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Jack
March Gladness.
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Gavin Newsom
Not March Madness. And it was with the mayor's office, the police department, and with folks in the community, and everyone's sort of co mingling, everybody working together. And it was just about relationship building and it was about trust, nothing else. But it was also about bonding with the community and part of the city that people had forgotten about. And we joke about it. Nine. It's 94124 is a zip code in Bayview. I come from 94123. That difference, three to four.
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Jack
It's big.
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Gavin Newsom
They, I mean, come on night and day. Night and day, man. From the Marina District to Bayview. And for me, as a guy, I grew up in the Marina District. I made a commitment to folks. West Point, Middle Point. I'll never forget. It was one of my last stops as. As a candidate for mayor. And I said, I'm going to come back. Everyone's like, yeah, coming back. No one comes back. And I kept coming back over and over and over. And over and over and over again. And anyway, just a point of, you know, just now you're getting me remind myself of these things. But point of pride, those relationships in that community.
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Jack
Love it. How's life? I mean, every day you wake up fighting a good fight, you're doing a hell of a job. And, and I'm reposting and retweeting. How's life right now?
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, we're fighting, man. Yes, I'm. I can't take what's going on. I mean, no, bullshit. I can't take it every, every single day, every single hour. And it's not even about Dems versus Republicans, about this country and what we stand for, man. They're literally putting America in reverse. I mean, quite literally to a pre1960s world. You got the Supreme Court talking about getting rid of the Voting Rights act. And that's very real. Yeah, that may likely happen in just a matter of months. I mean, they're rewriting history, censoring historical facts. It's a unbelievable moment. All this anti woke stuff is just anti black, period, full stop. All the crt, esg, DEI stuff. That's all this is. It's this Great purge and it's happening in real time. And I'm just, I'm sitting here and I feel like, you know, luckily I'm governor, but like we're not doing enough. We're not calling this out. We're not drawing a line here. And again, it's not about Democrats or Republicans. It's about who we've. Right and wrong, man. Yeah, right and goddamn wrong. Daylight and darkness.
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Jack
I feel like anytime you want to make it harder to vote, that means you can't stand and win with your policy. Anytime you want to make it tougher for people to have access to what our rights are, you can't stand on what your policy is, period.
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, look, come on, where do we even unpack this? And I can't believe we jump right into this. I'm like, jesus, no, come on. I mean, this is exactly why the President, United States did something unprecedented. And he picked up the phone and he called the governor of Texas and he says, I need five seats. And this unprecedented. Never has the President of the United States ever made a call and told a sitting governor that you need to redistrict to get me five seats because I'm quote unquote entitled to them for exactly the reason you just said. Because he knows he's losing. He knows he's unpopular in every single key category. And he's going to lose the midterm elections. So the only way that he can win is to rig it to play by his own set of rules or no rules at all. And that's precisely what he did successfully. They got five seats out of that. And we had a decision to make. We can hold a candlelight visual, we can talk about the way the world should be. I can write an op ed and express concern about our country or we can step up. And so we're deciding, you know, we got this proposition Prop 50, but also you've seen it with my social media. You've seen it with sort of a clarity of sort of conviction in terms of my point of view and really pushing back against all this.
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Nicole Moss
We had some great memories when we were in Oakland. We had some great times. The city was totally different. 20, 25, the crime and theft are down. What have you done to reverse the way the city used to be? Because it was way worse than that when we were around.
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Gavin Newsom
Well, I'll tell you, I mean, a couple years ago in Oakland in particular, things were out of control. And it was interesting. I'll never forget I had a community meeting up in Sacramento where folks just demanded me with me. I had some just legends, bishops and community leaders just, I mean the whole panoply, small business. Everybody came up there, went around and did this little tabletop. And one of the bishops, I mean this is how intense and bad things were. One of the bishops goes to me and goes, after listening, everybody else says, I just have two words. And I said, what are they? He goes, smith and Wesson. I'm like, damn. He goes, I can't take it. Governor, you need to send more police. This is out of control. And this from a person of moral authority that talks about what lies underneath and how we have to deal with the underlying causes of crime and violence. Says, not right now, you got to intervene. It's out of control. And we did that with their permission, with this community support. The head of the NAACP encouraging and supporting a new partnership with our California Highway Patrol. Just to put bodies on the street and just to distill a sense of well being. As we began a new our efforts to address some of the more systemic issues. But that was a moment of clarity for me that the community was like, don't give me your 10 point plan. That's going to manifest over 20 years. We need it now. And that arrested a lot of anxiety. And as a consequence of that incredible community work and a lot of systemic change, things have turned the corner San Francisco's. Their homicide rate's 70 year low. We did the same thing in San Francisco. It was an intervention both in San Francisco and Oakland. We've done it now. Bakersfield and San Bernardino Partnership, new one here in Los Angeles, just about a month old. And again, it's just about recognizing new realities. Doesn't mean we walk away from our values, our core values. Doesn't mean we walk away from these long term systemic investments. But at the same time, we've got to meet the community where they are.
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Nicole Moss
It's a two part question. We know it's a lot of work to do in Oakland to get it back. But what are some things that they can do to bring Oakland back to life like it was when we was playing there, like it had some life in the city. And also explain Oakland at the purest form when you remember it, Oakland when it was at its best.
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Gavin Newsom
Come on. I mean, I've known Oakland for 50 years, man. I grew up in San Francisco, ended up moving to Marin county, spent half my time in Marin City. I have two foster brothers that I got to know that became foster brothers because I spent so much time in Marin City from difficult families. And one of my closest friends, Marshawn lynch, who is Oakland personified hell, we started a podcast together. Politics and Marshawn's passion for Oakland. I mean, second to no one. And getting me out there walking the streets, going on these bike rides with Marshawn, which is a whole nother thing. Okay, like the one who's the odd man. Who's that guy with the tie on? What the hell is he doing? And sort of trying to just do the thing you can't do through legislation. You can't legislate spirit, you can't legislate pride. Gotta manifest it to your question. And that's what's been missing for too long in Oakland. And we gotta restore that. I mean, I joke about it with you guys and I know you've talked about it a ton. I mean, you lived it. But the We Believe camp and those were like, those are special years, man.
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Nicole Moss
Me too.
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Gavin Newsom
Like, does that. I mean, that represent Don Nelson? Come on, next level. I mean, we. Steve. Steve's family for all of us now. But. But not what that represented with you guys. Sort of that peak and how performing and falling short. I think you guys had some crazy ass.
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Nicole Moss
I remember it was the NBA version of Bad News Bears.
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Gavin Newsom
It was a Bad News Bears. Yeah, but it was. But it was. But it was. There was a spirit to that. You walk into that. There was no other arena like that. No other arena like that. With all due respect to what we have now, you walked into that. That was a different. It was energy.
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Jack
I mean, I had Steve, you know, because I went back and finished my career there and won a championship and retired in 17. But I was talking to Steve and he was just like, hey, I was doing TV at that time. And to this day, there's never been a louder arena than Orville. He's like, despite all the greatness this team has had and accomplished, he's like, there was never anything I want to kind of piggyback on the sports side, because obviously Oakland is the first city in the history to lose all three professional sports teams. And I'm sure that has a lot to do with how life is over there now.
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, I grew up the Rickey Henderson days.
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Jack
My favorite player, my.
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Gavin Newsom
One of my favorite TV commercials, you know, like a countdown clock. It was just his hands going like this.
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Jack
Boys through the base. 4, 3, 2.
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Gavin Newsom
And then it was like, jesus, Ricky, run. I mean, come on. And so just watching, you know, obviously, what just happened with the A's and ending to Vegas. We tried everything we could to help Oakland with the Raiders. And I'm close with Mark Davis, and I consider him a friend today. It's no indictment to him because I sincerely. I know people really turn on him. I don't think this. I know this how he went the extra mile over the course of years, saying, just help me close this gap. Help me figure this out. He was sincere about it. And I also, candidly, was part of the problem with the Warriors. Let me be full disclosure. I was sitting there as mayor of San Francisco, and there was all this buzz about maybe they'd move and, you know, mayor of San Francisco. And I'm like. And there was that sort of temptation as mayor to be competitive. And I'll never forget this. I don't really have ever shared this. I'll never forget getting a call from Larry Ellison. He calls me up. He says, we were working on America's cup, which we got into San Francisco. He says, add this to your announcements. We're going to announce America's Cup. But I'm buying the Warriors. I'm like. And I'm moving it to San Francisco. I'm like, unbelievable. I'm the mayor of San Francisco. I'm about to announce we're moving the team as bad as I didn't, you know, not appreciating the other side, right? And that. But just From a competitive side. And then I never forget that Friday comes, I'm like, so they just announced the team. Announced that. My folks walk in, say, team was just sold. I said, fantastic. Said, so when's Ellison? He says, no, Ellison didn't buy it. He fell short. There's some new group. I didn't know Lake. I didn't know who the new group. I didn't know these guys. And I remember, just, like, my heart sank, like, damn. And. And then I only to see. I became lieutenant governor and the next mayor announced the team was moving to the. To its original site. But look, to your point, man, no, no. City's been devastated, like, and it was. Look, it was a city that punched above its weight, too. Oh, yeah, right. I mean, how the hell. I mean, the Raiders. The Raiders. Fred Belitnikov and Kenny the Snake, Stabler Hendrickson. All these guys, man.
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Jack
Branch, that's my second cousin Branch.
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Gavin Newsom
Is that right?
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Jack
Yeah. Yeah.
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Gavin Newsom
See, that's next level. You should have started with that. It'll give me credibility. That's legit.
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Nicole Moss
When they moved towards a lot of us guys that was there during the we believe days, it kind of killed us because we weren't just playing for, like, the city and team, like, the people that worked there. It was a lot of older people that worked there that was surviving off having those jobs in Oakland. And when that left and, like, you know, it's like, what about those people? You know what I mean? That's why. When they left, that's the only thing I didn't like about the team moving to San Francisco, because a lot of people there their whole life worked at that arena, you know what I mean? And a lot of livelihoods was taken from them.
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Jack
It became a business, though. I mean, the warriors, because the on the court product was so good, it became a business, and we understood that. I mean, you used to be able to smell weed in Oracle. You know, there used to be a cloud above the court. You know what I mean? And that was our era before I legalized it.
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Gavin Newsom
This is the face. I'm just saying. We'll talk about that in a moment. But, you know, it's interesting what you just said. It's so interesting. No bs. When Marshawn went back left, obviously, Seattle, retired, and then decided to play another year at Oakland, he literally, I'll never forget. I said, what the hell are you doing? I said, it's amazing. I'm so excited because I'm like, this is great. Want to see you back on the field. He goes, man, you know, it's for all these guys. He had a whole rap about that, where he just says, these guys I grew up with, these guys are losing their job. We need to bring this back. And if you remember that season he played, he was out there on the sidewalk dancing, his hair, having a good time.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah.
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Gavin Newsom
And it wasn't 2 inches shorter than what he's like, dude. You know, the middle of the game, Even, they're down 20 points, and people are just going. Just trying to bring that spirit back, that pride, man. And that's what sports look, you know, a lot of people can dismiss sports, can't. It brings people together. And we just opened up on America in reverse. This country being torn apart around racial, religious and ethnic lines and every conceivable line, red and blue, but there's still this. Forgive me, but this sort of red, white and blue that exists and persists with sports. And that's why I don't want to see sports politicized. I don't want to see it weaponized. It's that last bastion. And I think it really, really matters in that respect.
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Jack
Before we leave the Oakland conversation, Best We Believe memory or best Nelly memory. You have any stories or. We got some, but. Do you have any?
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Gavin Newsom
No. Look, I mean, you know, I just. I think about just those Bay Area days growing up in the. Come on. It was the 80s. You know, I looked more like Vanilla Ice than. Well, that's a whole nother conversation. But, you know, I had a Flock of Seagulls haircut. I don't even start with the 80s. I hope there's no time for 80s.
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Jack
We're gonna definitely find those photos, no question.
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Gavin Newsom
But it's. But Oakland, it was. You know, it wasn't just Oakland. I mean, you guys appreciate it. I mean, Vallejo, it was the East Bay and it was the Bay in the Bay Bridge series. And what the Bay Bridge represented in that respect in Richmond and, you know, and. And just in the music scene was off the charts, man. I mean, I was funny. I got as much just texting E40 on something we just did today around Insulin, who's so active and what. You know, he's a great guy, obviously. Huge Warrior fan, man. He's just like. But I mean, like, I remember the idea. Even got to meet E40 and got to know him. And I was like a kid. I was like, damn, and too short, all these guys. And then you had Tupac, who's a Marin City kid, that was like, my back went to Tam High School. I went to Redwood High School. I'm like, Jesus. And I mean, you look back, I mean, that was just a different thing. And again, it's different still today. And we've got to sort of distill. I mean, that's the energy we need back and that's the work we have to do. And that's just community building, man. And that's not a politician selling anything down. That's gotta be bottom up. But it's gotta be. We've gotta create the conditions where people can find that sense of confidence, hope and build community again and trust. And if there's one thing that's frayed out there, it's that sense of community, inability to keep your door open. The idea that, you know, if your kid's out there looking up, that you know, the other kid's family uncle's gonna say, come on, get your ass back.
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Jack
Takes a village.
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Gavin Newsom
Takes a village. And that's the work we have to do.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah, that's how we grew up. Let's go back to Young yg. Young Gav.
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Jack
He did.
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Gavin Newsom
Yg.
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Nicole Moss
Y' all hear this. It started here.
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Gavin Newsom
It started here. Yg.
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Nicole Moss
Young Gav, what were you into as a teenager in the Bay? Yg? That's his name. Young Gav.
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Gavin Newsom
What was I into?
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Nicole Moss
Yeah.
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Jack
Baseball. I heard you were baseball. Baseball guy.
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Gavin Newsom
And I was, I was a baseball player. I was obsessed with. It's interesting. I was at the time and forgive me father may have sinned back then I was a big Celtic fan, which was interesting.
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Jack
Crazy.
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Gavin Newsom
Obsessed with.
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Jack
Unheard of.
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Gavin Newsom
Unheard of. Number 17 all my life. Because I loved Havlicek.
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Nicole Moss
Shooting guard.
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Gavin Newsom
Yeah. And that's why I love Mullen too, because you know, he's a lefty. I was a lefty. So obsessed with basketball and baseball. Divorce. Classic divorce.
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Eva Longoria
I'm Eva Longoria.
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Gavin Newsom
And I'm Maite Gomez Jejon.
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Eva Longoria
And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history.
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Gavin Newsom
Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostracon.
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Eva Longoria
And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.
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Gavin Newsom
Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golfo de Mexico. No, the America. No, the America. El Golfo de Mexico. Continuado. Si. Forever and ever.
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Eva Longoria
It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.
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Gavin Newsom
Mustard seeds were so valuable to the.
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Gavin Newsom
Them in their tombs for the afterlife.
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Eva Longoria
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Robyn Dixon
You know the shade is always shadiest right here.
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Gisele Bryant
Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryan and Robyn Dixon is.
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Robyn Dixon
Here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama, and reality news you can handle.
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Gisele Bryant
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Gavin Newsom
No way.
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Gisele Bryant
I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know.
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Robyn Dixon
You are lying.
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Gisele Bryant
Humongous, y'.
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Nicole Moss
All.
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Robyn Dixon
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Molly Lambert
Jenna World, Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert, host of Heidi the Heidi Fly Story, and I'll be your tour guide on a wild ride through adult films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our Life. In the 1990s, actress Jenna Jameson crossed over into mainstream culture, redefined stardom, then left it all behind. I'm a powerful woman. I think that's intimidating to a man. With a cast of hundreds of actors and comedians playing key figures, we'll take a look at how adult films became legal in the 70s, hugely profitable in the 80s and 90s, and fell off a financial cliff in the 2000s. Listen to Gentle World on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gavin Newsom
Family. My dad was great. Later reconnected.
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Nicole Moss
Better late than never.
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Gavin Newsom
Yeah, he was never terrible, but he just wasn't, you know, he didn't raise us. My mom was 19, pregnant and divorced a few years later with two kids. Came from no money and just hustled, you know, worked hard, grinding every single day. Two, two and a half jobs. No bullshit. Literally two, two and a half jobs. Part time bookkeeper. She did restaurant. That's how I got in the restaurant business. She was a waitress for years and years and a part time property manager, basically just opening up and closing up rentals. And she just taught me hard work and grit, and I struggled. Couldn't really read or write. Bounced around a bunch of different schools, and she said, we got to get out of San Francisco. You're falling behind. I had pretty severe dyslexia, and we end up in Marin County. And she just hustled, man. We had roommates all the time because she couldn't afford the rent. Our garage, there was a car. I always said it was my car. It wasn't my car because we were renting out for 50 bucks a month so someone could store their car. Ended up being a foster family. Yes, to help, you know, Suleiman and Larry Jo and these guys. Stephen Ashby, my buddy. But also, you know, it was also about paying the bills, man. And it was just like hustling. And so I was out there kind of raising myself, turning on the tv. Started, you know, just getting obsessed, you know, sitting there with, you know, the wonder Bread and five stacks of, like.
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Nicole Moss
The white stack, five story.
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Gavin Newsom
Come on, macaroni and cheese.
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Jack
Are you talking about me? Yo, yg.
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Gavin Newsom
Yg. Every day, every day in the backyard, just bouncing the basketball, throwing the ball against the wall until the ball is just, like, fraying, man. And you. That's it. Whole thing. So just. And. And then, you know, then this student, that was shitty student is in the back with his head down all of a sudden started throwing the baseball a little faster than everyone else and started, you know, make a few free throws because I was sitting there practicing 500 of them every damn night. And in high school, I look up in the stands, my dad's back up there, okay. And it's like, man. And then he's bringing his friends and. And you're captain of the team and you're like, geez, you know. And it just saved me. And it got me into college baseball. I was like, I got a zero scholarship, but it was the ticket, man.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah.
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Gavin Newsom
I was going to college of Marin. It's going to JC, man. You know, I was 960 or 980 on my SAT. And that was cool. Like, my mom's like, it's okay. It's okay to be average. Not sure that was the best thing to say.
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Nicole Moss
I thought that was good.
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Gavin Newsom
Yeah. No, my bad.
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Nicole Moss
I thought you aced that. Sound like you aced it to me.
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Gavin Newsom
I think if you sign it, you get like four score.
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Nicole Moss
They.
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Jack
They couldn't. They couldn't average jacks three scores to get that high.
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Nicole Moss
My basketball average. Couldn't get my score right. That was crazy.
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Gavin Newsom
So anyway, it got me into college, man. So I'm. I'm here for two reasons. I mean, I'm here because of my mom, but. And her everything. But in politics, from this one guy, Willie Brown. And because of sports, which just gave me a sense of confidence. I didn't have anything else. And so it's not. I'm not bullshitting you when I say the value I place, I mean the value, obviously you guys, professionally, and success in every respect. Next level. But for me, just success at that level. To stay out of trouble. To give a. About my teammates and not up.
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Jack
Yeah.
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Gavin Newsom
And not sitting there, you know, smoking Krakatoa, whatever those, you know, back in the day, like those weird ass cigarettes or smoking, you know, whatever. It just kept me from getting.
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Nicole Moss
This is my question though, before we go on, compare a player. That's your. Your game was like.
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Gavin Newsom
I have the worst two people in my head. He's driving me crazy.
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Nicole Moss
Well, you said you like Chris Mullen, but that don't mean your game was like his.
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Gavin Newsom
Oh, well, you said.
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Nicole Moss
I'm just saying.
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Gavin Newsom
I just want to make sure that's what you said. My little 18 footer, you know, you don't buy it.
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Nicole Moss
So you had a Jimmy?
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Gavin Newsom
No, I mean, look, I was. Will Clark was my baseball hero. And I just tried to have a Will the thrill. I mean, I just. I used to videotape. I have eight track tapes, like hundreds of them or whatever the fuck VHS tapes of just him just editing every at Bat and just stunning it.
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Jack
He was sweet.
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Gavin Newsom
Just studying that sweet swing from the left side. And then in basketball, I was. I just. I was, you know, I was more of a Danny Ainge type. Okay, just scrap.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah, well, you got to have a.
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Gavin Newsom
Danny Ains on YouTube.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah, everybody loves.
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Gavin Newsom
And he's just, you know, kind of in your face and just diving at the balls, just going. But I like, you know, you had that with Bird, too, man, that dude would just slide. So when I see someone slide, jump in the stands.
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Jack
You love it.
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Gavin Newsom
I love it. I don't care if you get five points.
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Nicole Moss
Danny A's drafting me. So you saying all the stuff we might be related is that we might have.
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Jack
We might have to check.
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Gavin Newsom
You know what? It is time for that key after all. We're going to upgrade that day.
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Jack
I don't know.
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Gavin Newsom
There's just something about you, man. Something about you.
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Jack
We might have to get that. Ancestry.com nil. A lot of people don't know that you brought to life the Fair Play Act. Can you explain how that came about? And.
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Gavin Newsom
Could you apologize to everyone watching?
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Jack
Well, I think. I mean, in fairness to you, I thought. And we all thought, obviously athletes should be compensated for what they're bringing to the table, for what the schools have been making off of our backs and not touching. Obviously, Ed o' Bannon is a brother of ours. I think right now it's got to where it's kind of the wild, wild West. But at the same time, I think it has to be something because at the end of the day, 99% of student athletes don't go, probably.
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Gavin Newsom
So, no, for all those reasons, I signed it. You know, it's interesting. I signed it with LeBron on the shop. It was kind of wild. I brought the bill. I've never done that. And did it with him, which was wild on every level, but it was important. And Ron and his team were unbelievably helpful in helping us get it across because we're the first in the country to do it. And it was all just this notion. Nil. Name, image, likeness. And I didn't know about the portal. I didn't, you know, didn't fully appreciate it.
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Jack
Hell, yeah. Is that right?
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Gavin Newsom
Yeah. PHONE STARTS RINGING Is that. Yeah, that's it.
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Jack
Cush ups.
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Gavin Newsom
That's the portal.
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Jack
Fucking eight does. Go ahead. Yeah, finish your thought.
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Gavin Newsom
No, but it's. It morphed, I mean, the last couple years into something wildly different. I mean, it radically changed college sports and increasingly high school, too. I mean, but now they're right. Sizing it. They're sort of trying, they're figuring it out. I think it's sort of finding itself and we're finding our path back.
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Jack
Yeah, I think there needs to be some regulations in the portal. You know, I think I remember back in our days, if you transferred, you had to sit out a year, whatever. And I don't want to be that drastic, but your kids shouldn't be playing for four different teams in four years. Kids shouldn't. We're also going to talk. Kids shouldn't be 26, 27, 28. Excuse me, those are grown men I'm talking about. But still in college playing and taking the opportunities away from 17 and 18 year old. Because to me college is supposed to be a development stop and obviously a free education for athletes that get their scholarship, you know, to hopefully spawn off into the next level. And one thing that's really bothered me, obviously I'm a father with kids. You know, I got four sons coming down the pipeline. But you see 26, 27, 28 year old dudes playing sports like, come on bro, go get your education. This shit is over. You know what I mean? So I just feel like there needs to be, as a father, I feel like there needs to be an age limit to be able to play sports. And I understand some people go on missions and all this kind of stuff. I think it should be an age limit. I think there should be some portal regulation. Then like you said, the nil. The money side is starting to kind of regulate with what the schools are getting. But again, I think overall it was a great idea and it just needs some more boundaries.
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Gavin Newsom
Total exploitation, man. I mean these coaches getting $25 million contracts, these kids literally on food stamps making millions and millions of dollars for programs, blowing it up with broadcast and advertisers, everybody making a buck. And then these kids, to your point, 99% are never going pro. And this is the best thing that may happen financially to them. Sure, there may be an academic. Please, I mean, let's have that conversation. Right? They're student athletes. Really. Student athletes for these division ones.
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Nicole Moss
Sound good?
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Gavin Newsom
Come on, it sounds good. So it was the right thing to do. Obviously it was a race and that everybody now is competing in that respect. I mean, look, my biggest concern about college sports is I think it's inevitable that it gets privatized in some respects. You got private equity that's looking to buy out teams, buy out these things. I mean it's all, it's morphing. And my Bigger concern with four kids. And I'm curious, the two of you with your children is. And it's not an indictment, but I've got four kids all in club sports and how that's become goddamn professional.
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Jack
Pretty penny.
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Nicole Moss
Yeah.
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Gavin Newsom
The hell is that?
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Jack
Yeah. I don't get it. Because I think. And we all did the same. I grew up lettered in four sports in high school and I went from one sport to another sport to another sport to another sport. But now in this day and age, if you play outside of your main sport, you almost get behind. But then at the same time, a lot of these kids burn out at the turn of. Someone sent me something the other day or just this morning where the top five kids in class of 2022. Was that it? And the top five kids in class of 2022, only one of them in the NBA. And those are the top five players. Money, everything. And it's just like there's. I think when you make it a job too early, it becomes a job. It's a beautiful job when you get to where he and I rat and it's the business and you get paid well and it's a job. But I feel like parents now or some are vicariously living through their kids. But it's 12 months for kids and that's too much.
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Nicole Moss
You can't force the gift either. You can't force a gift. Like if. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. You know, I mean, support your kids, whatever they want to do, get behind them. 110. But you can't force what God has for them. It don't work like that. And a lot of parents are doing it. It's past living, living through their kids. They trying to force something to happen that might not be meant for their kids. Right? And that. And that kills kids confidence. That kills their motivation. It kills every. All the drive that they have to be something in life. Because you're forcing me to be something. It's not what I want to do. And I'm putting all my time in it. Now I'm success. Now I'm not successful in it. I'm crushed. Kids confidence is crushed. So the parents got to stop doing that. That's what I think they're doing. Instead of. It's more just living through them. They trying to force something to happen that ain't meant to happen.
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Jack
And one more thing too, before we get off this topic. I think too, the coaches in it aren't coaching anymore. It's a money play now. And everyone And I get you want to win, but we came in and I feel that's why we're falling behind. As you know, black Americans in baseball, in basketball, it's becoming an overwater game. Like, it's just like everyone wants to make the money off the tournaments and make the money for the fees, but you're not teaching the kids how to play. The essence of the game we grew up loving again. It's more of a business now at a younger age, which is hurting our kids in the long run.
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Gavin Newsom
How the hell do you. I mean, I get three sports. How the hell do you have four?
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Jack
Four tracks? Football, basketball, baseball.
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Gavin Newsom
So you did the track. I knew the. Okay, I figured Football, baseball, basketball.
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Jack
Yeah, all American football and basketball. But track and baseball, I just did it to stay out of trouble.
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Gavin Newsom
Is it not the case too?
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Nicole Moss
All American softball. He wasn't baseball.
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Jack
I was nice. I'm nice softball, too.
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Gavin Newsom
Are you that damn good guy? Just whatever it is.
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Jack
Something like it. Maybe not him, but something like him.
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Gavin Newsom
Something like.
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Nicole Moss
God.
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Gavin Newsom
Really Black.
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Jack
Wow.
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Gavin Newsom
Okay, let's unwind that. But it's. But also part of that is you're now bringing in to wherever you land in terms of that sport. That is the one you're excelling at most. You're bringing in those skills and the attributes from those other experiences that otherwise you wouldn't have. You get the footwork from a soccer player. Getting into basketball, you feel.
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Jack
You see toughness from football. Yeah, all of it.
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Gavin Newsom
No, but that's. Well, the whole club thing is something. Just the money in that space. And then knocking out. From a socioeconomic perspective, locking out folks that simply cannot afford all that travel, cannot afford the hotel rooms, can't afford the time off work, can't afford the private. Seems like everybody club day has a damn private trainer.
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Jack
And a lot of these trainers ain't done in their life to be able to be a trainer.
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Nicole Moss
They got cut from the Church League.
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Jack
And they're charging cyo.
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Gavin Newsom
I thought it was all that you made.
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Nicole Moss
You made the Church league team. They got cut from the church charging.
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Jack
100 or 150 an hour. Like, bro, what's your accolades, bro, I'm not hating on you, but what's your accolades to be charging this much?
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Gavin Newsom
150. You ain't kidding.
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Nicole Moss
By the way, master the CrossFit. Okay. You know, we call. We raised you the name yg. Let's get to your OG Willie Brown. You said I'm standing here because of Willie Brown. That was a simple appointment that changed the trajectory of my life. Can you explain that?
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, come on. He pucked me out. I was running a small business, Got right out of college, put pen to Paper, had 13 investors, 7,500 bucks each. Open a little business with a part time employee, Pat Kelly, who just passed away. She was with us for almost 30 years, rest in peace, and just was grinding, happy but complaining about doing business in San Francisco. And I was in the newspaper saying, the hell's going on? This new mayor Willie Brown ain't done shit for small business. It's that all. And then I get a phone call says the mayor would like to have you down to City Hall. Mr. Brown would like to sit. He would like to appoint you to the film commission.
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Jack
I'm like, how old are you at this time?
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Gavin Newsom
Early 25, 26. And I'm like, film. I've died and gone to heaven. Got my little business and I'm going to be in the film commission. I love movies. Get down there to get sworn in about 50 people. He Swearing a bunch of commissioners and he goes and Gavin Newsom, dah, dah. The new chair of the Parking and Traffic Commission. And I'm like, what the hell just happened? I had no idea what chair even meant. Like the president of Parking and Traffic. Yeah, a real job. And I'll never forget KRON4 News was there and you know, like, which was a big deal to me back in the day. They asked me my vision on parking and traffic. I'm like, dude, like, if that tape ever you want hit pieces, you think that. I mean, that original interview is pretty much gonna end any prospects I for anything else. And, and inspiration. Desperation, man. I'm sitting there, I'm chairing it and nine months later, there's a vacancy on our county Board of Supervisors. And for whatever reason tag I was it. And just wow, why I'm here. It's always have my back. I've screwed up a million times. No one more loyal than Willie Brown when I'm doing too well. No one more willing to challenge me and call, you know, call me out. That you ain't all that.
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Jack
It's important too.
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Gavin Newsom
Very important. And you know, he's 90 years young plus. And it's just, they don't make it like him anymore. And the coin of the realm is just relationships, trust, truth. He was a social justice warrior, Racial justice war, economic justice warriors. Values were there, but he was a practitioner. He's a practitioner. He just, he makes things happen. And that was. And I'll just end on that. What he Taught me more than anything else besides loyalty and relationships is get shit done, man. It's not about talking about things. You're not here to make a point. You got to make a goddamn difference. And so taking that entrepreneurial mindset that I had, I've had the Privilege of opening 20 small businesses, restaurants, hotels, wineries. At peak, we had about a thousand employees. And I don't say that to impress you, but to impress upon your passion for entrepreneurialism. But taking that entrepreneurial mindset to the work of governing, and that's been a sweet spot for me and all the work I've done. And Willie Brown was the one just that created that platform and that opportunity. And so I'm humbled by that. I have grace and humility that I didn't get here, quote unquote, on my own. But I had to do, you know, once that door's open, you got to perform. And he's just always been there to help guide and you know, Kamala was blessed in so many ways. We all, we grew up together. I mean, when, you know, I know you had Kamala here, we. I got sworn in as mayor Kamala and I walked across the street. She was at my swearing in and walked right across the street swearing her in for district attorney. And I mean, a relationship goes back decades and Willie Brown was that constant for both of us. And we're just really blessed, really cool.
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Jack
Potentially gearing up for 2028 at the.
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Gavin Newsom
As president, but president of my new Rotary club.
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Jack
Well, there you go. There you go.
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Gavin Newsom
Or actually club sports. That may be more lucrative actually, based on this conversation.
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Nicole Moss
We ride. We riding in 2028, baby. We riding.
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Jack
But one thing I think you've done, which is kind of taken the world by storm, is really gone hard on social media. Since June, you've gained 2, 2 million followers on TikTok. 2 million followers or over 2 million followers on Instagram, 2 plus on. On. On X. Why did you feel it was so important to kind of start tapping in? Because I think this last election is when people kind of started thinking outside the box and understanding the power of social media. But then also situations like this, I mean, high paid media, and there's the foxes and the CNNs and all that other shit, but people started realizing the importance of sitting down and connecting to the communities that these shows holding. But then also the power of social media.
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Gavin Newsom
We got our ass kicked in the last election. We did just, you can't sugarcoat it. We did, period, full stop. And we missed some tread lines that are headlines now. We weren't talking to young men who are more disengaged and dissatisfied as a cohort. Multi ethnic. It's not just young white men. Young folks 30 and younger, they're doing worse than their parents. First generation history. They claim they can't afford housing, can't barely afford utilities or rent and just don't see them a future that's particularly bright. And Republicans started to connect to that in a deep and meaningful way. Democrats neglected that. We neglected to understand the weaponization agreements that was going on in Fox and one American News and Newsmax and the fact that 14 of the top 15 cable networks are all on Fox. We miss this sort of what's happening with you guys and where you guys are starting to organize and having authentic two way conversations. And as a consequence, we got again our ass kicked. And so I've been trying to sort of reconcile that myself and I've been going through an interval process. That's why I started the podcast with Marshawn, created this, this new podcast, why I started going on fox, why I got involved in debates with other governors like Ron DeSantis. And that's why to your question on the social media side, that I've radically changed my approach to communicating in that respect. But I'll tell you, nothing created more clarity than what happened here in LA. When Donald Trump federalized 4,000 National Guard where he sent the United States military not overseas. He never sent the military overseas in his first term. He still hasn't done in his second. He sent them to the second largest city in the United States of America. 700 active duty Marines to your city here in LA. And it just required a different level of communication and clarity. And so I just want some mind to stretch. Never goes back to its original form. We said everything we're doing is not working. They're sort of chasing this. They're shape shifting the narrative. We're constantly responding to it. We're, we have got to get on the offense and more importantly, I got to call the bullshit. And so we put a mirror up to Trump. This guy's sitting there with memes as dressed up as the Pope. He's putting, you know, he's the new Superman thing. He's the Superman hero. He's putting himself on Mount Rushmore. He's putting all these all cap tweets that if my 9 year old put something like that or talk like that, he'd be in the corner, he wouldn't have his devices for a month. This is the President of the Goddamn United States. And we started to put a mirror up and we started to model that in a way to expose it. And what was amazing is we didn't expose Trump in that respect. We exposed his universe. The folks at Fox were like, this is very up in arms unbecoming of the governor. If I were his wife, I'd wash his mouth with soap. Governor Newsom. And I'm like, Like, literally, that's parroting precisely what your president has been doing for the last 10 years. And you've been celebrating. You've never called him out once. And it really started to break through, man. People started paying attention, and now we just. We're not fucking around. You come at us, let's go and let's go. And I'm telling you, at the core of the problem with the Democratic Party, I submit this is my humble. I mean, we can get into. It's inflation, it's interest rates, it's incumbency. It's the view with Kamala. It might be. Is Israel. It'. Whatever. No weakness, period. Weakness, Trump is weakness masquerading as strength. Democrats, weakness. And that fundamentally has to be addressed. We can get into the issues. We were dominant in terms of the vast majority issues, the American people with Democrats, not all of them, but the vast majority. But at the end of the day, that's the issue we have to address. And I'll never forget, Bill Clinton said it better than anybody else after decades ago. He said when we got slacked in a midterm election, he said, given the choice. I love this classic Clinton. Given the choice, the American people will always support strong and wrong versus weak and right. And I just think it's important. What I'm trying to do is not just express strength in terms of communication, but to demonstrate it in terms of the work we're doing on the ground in using our moral authority and our formal authority. That's what Proposition 50 is all about, man. I mean, organizing a response to what's happening in this country and organizing people to feel empowered, to give them a voice, to give us choice, and to be able to push back against this son of a bitch. And so that's the approach we're taking. And you're right, it's very different than it was in the past. And it's, for me, just a way of being accountable and looking at my damn kids in the eyes.
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Jack
I like that. I mean, we had Michelle Obama on, and I particularly asked, I was like, you know, you have a famous quote of, you know, when they go low, we Go high. Like, do we still have to do that? And she smiled and obviously said, no, like, I think we gotta meet them where they're at. And again, right there to your point, show em. Turn the mirror around. Like, this is the kind of dumb, weak little dick energy you guys are on and we're gonna throw it right back in your face.
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, come on, man. Did you see this?
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Jack
That's not.
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Gavin Newsom
You never. He's never, he's never heard words like that.
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Jack
I'm lying.
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Gavin Newsom
He's very sensitive.
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Nicole Moss
No, this happens every show. This is what he does.
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Gavin Newsom
This is what he does. No, come on, it's. How can you not call out all this? I mean, it's, you know, but problem is, it's just, it's that it's. They're flooding the zone and it could be overwhelming and people then start to tune out, man. And this guy's just tuning up. And so we got to stay tuned in to extend this and we've got to show up and you can't give in, man. You can lose this country. No bullshit. It's not the rule of law anymore. It's the rule of dawn. He doesn't give a shit about the law. I mean, he's already taken. Congress doesn't exist. They're completely supine. They're on their back. Yes. And sir, what else do you need? The courts are increasingly the same.
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Jack
Crazy.
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Gavin Newsom
I mean, this whole system, three co, equal branches. God, I ain't going to get this. I do Remember even with 960 SAT that they taught us in seventh grade. Three CO, equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, rule of law, you know, oversight. That's gone, man. This guy is wrecking this country. And again, it's not about being Democrat or Republican. I'm married into a big Republican family. I have deep respect and love for people I disagree with. On our podcast, I had Charlie Kirk on, had Steve Bannon on. I had guys that were running my recall campaigns. Literally the people like Newt Gingrich that were literally leading the effort to get me recalled as governor. I want to reach out to folks I disagree with, but at the same time, we have to understand these guys aren't around. I know they're not around. These guys are surgical. And so we have to. To get our shit together, the Democratic Party. And that's what I'm trying to trigger, that deeper understanding, but also iterating myself and being accountable. Not just identifying a problem, trying to solve it. At the same time, I feel like.
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Jack
I think a unified message from the Democrats is what we've kind of always lacked. Hate it or love it. MAGA has things they stand on. It's a lot of crazy stuff, but they stand together, unified on that. Why do you feel the messaging and our ability, or, excuse me, the Democratic ability to come together has faltered for so long?
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Gavin Newsom
Well, it's a great question. I mean, I think we're builders. They're not builders. This guy's got a wrecking ball. Tearing things down is easy, man. It's easy. I mean, building things up, putting the scaffolding you had. Come on up here. We talk about the IRA and the Chips and Science act and the infrastructure bill and the work they had to do with safer communities Bill, each one of those. That was hard work, man. 400 bipartisan bills. Building things. Obamacare building something, wrecking it, taking it away. Ain't no damn nobility. That's easy to do. And in so many ways, it's unifying for those that feel they're struggling, don't understand why their needs are not being met. I mean, at least this guy shows up, says, I see you. Back to young men. Trump says, I see you. I mean, his prescription's been shit. He promised you'd be wealthier and healthier. You're poor and you're sicker right now in the last nine months with Donald Trump, but it's not about that. And so I just think showing up where people are listening to people, showing respect, don't talk down to people, don't talk past people. We could be a little too precious sometimes. Democrats and a little.
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Jack
Or too by the book.
- [54:02]
Gavin Newsom
Yeah, a little virtue signaling a little bit, you know, sometimes talking. We've got to watch all that. But I think fundamentally, the organizing principle can't just be about what we're against. And right now it has to be in the context of the situation, which is Trump and Trumpism, we've got to push back in the immediate. But to answer that question in a way that is affirming, where you see yourself in that vision, where you feel heard, that you feel you are part of a journey that we can go on together. That has to be the defining framework and principle moving forward as we transition away from this situational struggle with Trump to getting our party back on track, a positive alternative vision. But we're builders at the end of the day, and that's a deep point of pride. And we can't lose those that set of values either.
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Jack
TikTok being bought by Murdoch, the Murdoch's Larry Ellison. Twitter controlled by Elon Mark Zuckerberg, you know, cozying up with Trump. How dangerous are are these type of situations where they're almost controlling every aspect of media? We saw all the badges pulled from the Pentagon yesterday. Like, it's, it's crazy.
- [55:20]
Gavin Newsom
I mean, I'm surprised Trump doesn't sell knee pads with his initials and bibs for you busters as he's selling perfume that smells like success. And, you know, Trump watches and crypto selling out this country. The greatest grift in modern American history. I mean, what more evidence? We need a $400 million plane of which you are subsidizing with an additional billion dollars with cuts to food stamps and health care. $1 billion of your money to retrofit his $400 million private plane that was a gift from the Qataris. Or the fact that he's sitting there with an Indonesian president talking about connecting with his son Eric for their new golf course deal as it relates to the big Middle east peace plan. Or all the work that they've done in Vietnam to waive all the environmental work for the new golf course or the UAE or the Saudis taking care of the new hours. This is sick scammer. What's going on in the goddamn country. Aided and abetted by law firms that have completely sold out, universities that are selling out. And it will not be the case with the uc. And if uscla. No. Cannot happen. But you're seeing it across the board. And you mentioned media. You didn't mention one thing. Watch what's about to happen. Paramount is going to not just own cbs, they're about to own cnn, hbo. They're going to buy Warner Brothers. You talk about this additional concentration. Who got TikTok? Who are those folks? The Murdochs. And these are his friends. Crony capital. It's not free enterprise. I started my wine store, man, as a free. I'm a free enterprise guy. I believe in capitalism, not state capitalism, not crony capitalism. Not taking 10% of Intel. Not taking 15% of the profits of AMD in Nvidia to allow them to sell chips to China. The hell is going on in this country. And Republican Party's nowhere to be found. Ronald Reagan's rolling in his goddamn grave. I sit in Reagan's desk as the former governor of California rolling in his grave. The hell is going on in this country? So people need to speak up. And the richest, most powerful human beings are doing exactly the opposite.
- [57:38]
Jack
Crazy.
- [57:38]
Gavin Newsom
Back to the damn knee pads. And so that's why. Look, man, that's why I'm here. That's why I'm doing the social media. That's why I'm doing Prop 50. And it's not enough. I mean, it's got to be all of us standing up. And again, not from position of hate. Everyone wants to be loved. We all need to be loved, man. We all want to be protected, connected, respected. It's not about who you vote for, but it's about who we are. Find some sense of community again and belonging and in this continental. So you asked me how I feel about it. I mean this code Red, man, it is code red. And so I just, I pray enough people have the courage of their convictions and stand tall and firm against us.
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Jack
Ice offering student loan forgiveness bonuses to sign up. Paying them more than teachers kidnapping our neighbors. How do we recover? Obviously you passed. I forgot what it was called. But obviously no mess. Not the masking, not allowed to have masks on. But how do we overcome this?
- [58:43]
Gavin Newsom
Because now literally jumping out of the back of you halls, man, everything. Jumping out of the back of unmarked cars, people in masks without any identification, throwing people, Americans, tourists. Some people hear documentation, some without color of their skin, disappearing on the basis of the color of their skin. We talk about authoritarianism and people say, well you feel here. But I said for guys like me, maybe not yet, but for the black and brown community. Are you kidding me? Scared to walk your dog? Scared to show up at your graduation, to go to the clinic, to get an immunization shot. Worried the school crossing guard is going to turn you in? Not even showing up for a funeral of a family member. It's not just on the base of the skin. It's where you congregate. It's the language you speak or your accent. In the United States of America in 2025, people disappearing, no due process rights. I met a kid, 16 year old kid, 14, excuse me, Jesus. In Ventura. Couldn't even talk to me. He was literally bawling. Every time he tried to talk, he started. He was like literally curling up in a ball. His mom and dad disappeared. He couldn't get back in the house. There's no brothers and sisters, no aunts, uncles, cousins. He grew up in Ventura county, speaks perfect English. His mom was going with her husband to the same packing facility in Ventura and they smashed the window and they disappeared. That's America in 2025. Donald Trump. Terror on the streets of America. Taking Black Hawk helicopters and getting people to rappel and sitting there as kids are in their diapers, in their cribs with people that are naked, that are Sleeping and literally putting guns to their head and zip, tying them and throwing them out in the streets and sidewalks. That's happening in America right now, today. Donald Trump. So this is serious. And it's happened in this city. First City was terrorized. Continues to this day. Now, you got in Portland, you got it in places like Illinois. They've threatened San Francisco yesterday. This is serious moment. And so, yeah, we did the first bill I was proud to sign, the first bill saying, take your damn masks off. What are you scared of? What are you afraid of? Show your id. I want to physically see it, and I want you to pull it out. I mean, I don't know. I read the Bill of Rights. I read the U.S. constitution. I mean, I know what habeas corpus is. The president was asked about it the other day, said, who's habeas? Literally said that. Look it up. I'm not bullshitting you. President of the goddamn United States said, oh, you asked them about habeas again. This is a 960sat guy.
- [61:32]
Jack
Can't call it. Ben, UCLA, my alma mater, is under attack. Can you explain what the Trump administration is trying to do and how you were trying to counter that?
- [61:43]
Gavin Newsom
Well, everyone was selling out, man.
- [61:45]
Jack
A lot of people bent the knee.
- [61:48]
Gavin Newsom
I mean, University of Pennsylvania, you obviously saw happen at Columbia and Brown University. And then there's a big announcement, at least in the New York Times, that Harvard was about to sell out. And then he came in, he wants a billion dollar fine. This is. Let's just understand this. He wants a billion dollars from UCI, from your alma because of alleged anti Semitism. That has all been cleaned up. And in fact, the Anti Defamation League called out California as the leading state in terms of policies to address anti Semitism. Hell, the Wall Street Journal just called me. I didn't think this was possible. Actually had a positive editorial calling out the work we're doing in the state to address anti Semitism, and he's now assessing a $1 billion fine. This is the same son of a bitch president, United States who had dinner with Nick Fuentes lecturing us about anti Semitism. The same president United States who hasn't said one damn word about these young college Republicans and young Republicans, period, some as old as 30, that were out there referring to certain communities as monkeys, watermelon people. I won't even get into The N words. 2900 pages. This just happened. The last 48 hours, President has said nothing. JD Vance has said nothing. Send him to the gas chamber. We love Hitler. Won't even get into all the other stuff, J.D.
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Jack
Not to cut you off. J.D. said we're too focused on kids being kids. And none of these people are kids. These are grown ass men, 30 year.
- [63:22]
Gavin Newsom
Old members of the state parties working for state representatives from New York state all the way to Arizona. And J.D. vance said, well, they're just edgy, right? And then he decried cancel culture. Really? The same folks that canceled Bud Light and Big Bird talking to us about cancel culture? Goddamn break.
- [63:41]
Jack
I got a question too.
- [63:42]
Gavin Newsom
Sorry, man, I had a. Again, I need some more coffee.
- [63:44]
Jack
Yeah, or put somebody gonna do that to a bird or. I mean, in honor of my Marshawn, put some Patrinis in there.
- [63:49]
Nicole Moss
Patriny.
- [63:50]
Gavin Newsom
Wow.
- [63:54]
Jack
I want to ask you something because I had a chance. Some friends of mine organized a, a sit down with Mayor Karen Bass about a month and a half ago. And obviously California is a big beautiful state who's easy to attack. And I feel like again, this kind of goes back to messaging. The, the, the, the, the, the, the positive steps moving forward are never highlighted. It's always the small cracks or the lies that are perpetuated and blown up into. How do you feel outside of the mission you're driving on social media? How do you feel that people that know and love California and really know what's going on, how can we help push the truth along and help get the truth out there? What is actually going on step by step in the wins that we are succeeding because they want to talk a lot of shit. But everyone, fourth largest economy, I mean, I know you have the numbers, but everyone loves California. It's expensive, but everybody loves California. So how can we as a unit, as a group of people, help push the right message?
- [64:50]
Gavin Newsom
God, I love that. You know, and you guys can appreciate this, as successful as you both are, you're nothing but a mirror of your consistent thoughts. Whatever you focus on, you find more of, period, full stop. And there's this California derangement syndrome that's out there, man. It's out of control. It's a whole industry that's been built upon bashing California 24 7. I mean Fox was built on it. I mean Trump is, I mean it's just, I mean it's 24 7. Just. It's a war with this state. And I'm struggling with this. And I love the question. I appreciate you asking this question because we need help and I'm not. No one's going to deny. Every state in this country is struggling with affordability. Every state in this country is addressing with the issue of homelessness. I mean homelessness went up 18.13% last year across the country. Went up just 3% here. Still unacceptable unsheltered homelessness was flat last year. Went up 0.45%. Lower than 44 other states. They never mentioned any of the other states that saw double digit increases. They don't mention the other states that have affordability crisis. Seven of the top 10 murder states are Republican states. The highest states with deaths of despair, issues of maternal mentality or infant mortality. The lowest wages, the lowest productivity rates, the taker states. All these red states, they don't mention it. But they go after the state of California, that's a donor state. $83.1 billion last year. More that we gave the federal government than we received from the federal government. Dominating in every category. Give me a major category. This state dominates in manufacturing, dominates in two way. Trade dominates in venture capital, dominates with more engineers, scientists, more Nobel laureates. No one even comes close. Five new Nobel laureates from your damn UC system Trump zero last week. California five in terms of the new Nobel laureates. Dumb AI. Center of the universe. We have no peers in quantum and fusion. Center of the universe. Most diverse state in the world's most diverse democracy. Point of pride. Ability to live and advance together across our differences. Fourth largest economy in the world. $4.1 trillion a year. Eat your heart out, Germany. I mean this is unlike anything we have ever experienced. A state that punches so much above its weight. 14% of the US GDP. We're the tent pole of the US economy in terms of innovation and entrepreneurialism. And yet 247 you see what the hell's wrong with it. And again, I'm not naive. Go down to skid row. Not naive. We talked about Oakland. Some of the challenges, turning around my old city challenges very much turning around. And we're making progress. We're punching. But we do have a challenge and that is really celebrating our wins, man. As opposed to the triumph of all the negative that comes out and everyone just sort of coloring that in and making it so much bigger than it is.
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Eva Longoria
I'm Eva Longoria.
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Gavin Newsom
And I'm Maite Gomez Jejun.
- [69:53]
Eva Longoria
And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history.
- [69:59]
Gavin Newsom
Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon.
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- [70:08]
Gavin Newsom
So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster?
- [70:12]
Nicole Moss
No way.
- [70:13]
Gavin Newsom
Bring back the ostracon.
- [70:15]
Eva Longoria
And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.
- [70:22]
Gavin Newsom
Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golfo de Mexico. No, the America. No, the America. El Golfo de Mexico. Continuanasie Embassy forever and ever.
- [70:35]
Eva Longoria
It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.
- [70:43]
Gavin Newsom
Mustard seeds were so valuable to the.
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- [70:47]
Gavin Newsom
Them in their tombs for the afterlife.
- [70:50]
Eva Longoria
Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [71:00]
Robyn Dixon
You know the shade is always shadiest right here.
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Gisele Bryant
Season Six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is.
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Robyn Dixon
Here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle.
- [71:19]
Gisele Bryant
And you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday. I was going through a walk in my neighborhood. Out of the blue. I see this huge sign next to somebody's house. Okay. The sign says, my neighbor is a Karen. No way I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know you are lying. You humongous, y'.
- [71:51]
Nicole Moss
All.
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Robyn Dixon
They had some time on their hands. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your.
- [72:02]
Jack
Podcasts coming down the home stretch. From Tupac to NWA to Kendrick Lamar, these all California artists who have global voices for justice and change. What do you think it says about the state's role in shaping not just hip hop, but kind of the democratic culture? And not to forget that you actually signed the bill to Not To Protect lyrics.
- [72:24]
Gavin Newsom
Oh, yeah. As well with too short and E40 and Jay Z and others. Kraft was a big part of that, man.
- [72:31]
Nicole Moss
That was huge.
- [72:32]
Gavin Newsom
Was really great.
- [72:33]
Nicole Moss
That was huge.
- [72:34]
Gavin Newsom
I appreciate that. I really. All those guys came together, we had a meeting that really brought that issue home to me, man. And I really powerful way. I was so honored to be part of that. And Kendrick, you know, our state poet laureate. My perspective, I mean, come on, man. I mean, you didn't even add Snoop and those guys. And you know, I'm running around with my Snoop Skechers everywhere. I usually am wearing everybody.
- [72:58]
Nicole Moss
Everybody benefited from.
- [72:59]
Gavin Newsom
Why am I not wearing my Snoop? Sorry, Snoop. Sorry, brother.
- [73:03]
Jack
Yeah, he's stupid.
- [73:06]
Gavin Newsom
But it's, you know, that's again, what makes we could. I mean, I could have gone on for 45 more minutes about what makes California great. I mean, I just spent last week we were highlighting some nation leading test scores as it relates to every grade, every classroom, every cohort, African Americans, Latinos and Compton Unified School Districts. Talk about Compton, man. One of the best urban school districts in this country. Crushing it. I mean, and then you start thinking about Compton and the history of Compton.
- [73:35]
Jack
Crazy, right?
- [73:36]
Gavin Newsom
Just. And who came from out of Compton and the music and the culture arts and the expression that's still alive today. And the success. But back to. That's a picture that again will never be painted in the national media. The success of Compton Unified Dam School District or LA Unified School district that also had back to back years of significant growth. After years of struggle. We got a great new superintendent. Amazing things happening. But we started with all that music scene up in the Bay Area, the music scene down here, but the artistic express. We do the California hall of Fame every year. And the biggest problem is like, man, we have to just pick 10 a year. I mean, there's no other state that comes close. And you're like, oh, God, I didn't know that person's from here. Like, oh, that means like in every category, the folks that come from this state, because we have a state of mind, man. This sort of quality of imagination. The future happens here first. Where America's coming attraction, that mindset persists, I think in every aspect of our culture. I think that's the job of leaders. Karen Bass, me, others. But leadership could be found anywhere. And this notion of defining leadership in those terms, not positions of formal authority, but those leaders in the community, those with the moral authority. Back to community building. Back to Oakland, man. Back to that sense of pride and spirit. The things that the elected officials can't create, man. And our job is climate control. Create the climate. It's not command and control that's Trump selling down his vision. It's about creating those conditions where success becomes irresistible, man. It just appears. There's no denying it. And I think so much of what is expressed in the context of our music scene is expressed in that respect.
- [75:31]
Nicole Moss
You might not be in the California hall of Fame yet, but me and you both know what hall of fame you are in.
- [75:36]
Jack
Yeah, we'll talk about that later. Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, it could be the most important question I've asked you all day as the president of the hair club, what is your hair routine?
- [75:48]
Nicole Moss
Up top. Up top. Hair club president.
- [75:50]
Jack
What's your hair routine? Haircut President. Yeah, I'm the president.
- [75:52]
Gavin Newsom
Seriously?
- [75:53]
Jack
Self proclaimed.
- [75:53]
Nicole Moss
Yeah, it's nice.
- [75:56]
Gavin Newsom
Yeah.
- [75:56]
Nicole Moss
He's gonna do that about 10 times.
- [75:58]
Jack
During the show, cuz I gotta make sure. I gotta make sure I. The volume stays.
- [76:02]
Gavin Newsom
What do you got? What do you use? What's the product, man? What is it? Seriously?
- [76:05]
Jack
You want to really know? No, you want to really know.
- [76:07]
Gavin Newsom
You have your own product now.
- [76:09]
Jack
No, you should. Jergens. Just a little squirt, fresh out of the shower and just rub through.
- [76:16]
Gavin Newsom
Seriously, just do Jergens.
- [76:18]
Nicole Moss
Nice.
- [76:18]
Jack
It's Italian to black right here.
- [76:19]
Gavin Newsom
Send your check, Jerry.
- [76:21]
Nicole Moss
Send a check, Jerry.
- [76:22]
Gavin Newsom
Straight up, straight up.
- [76:24]
Jack
This shit is malnourished. Don't ask him nothing.
- [76:26]
Gavin Newsom
It's malnourished.
- [76:27]
Jack
Look at this.
- [76:29]
Gavin Newsom
What do you got? What do you do?
- [76:30]
Nicole Moss
I'm 47, with a full hairline. Hair still growing. You see that?
- [76:35]
Gavin Newsom
See that?
- [76:36]
Jack
Whoa. This. It's taking him seven years for him to get to the back of his neck.
- [76:40]
Nicole Moss
This is not a marathon. This is not a sprint. This is a marathon.
- [76:45]
Jack
So inquired minds wanted to know you still got a nice head of hair. What's your routine?
- [76:49]
Gavin Newsom
I remember in high school, we just had our 40th reunion. I swear to God, this person, Tracy's her name, she comes up to me. She goes, you remember me? I said, oh, I think I remember. She goes, remember? I was the cheerleader for basketball. I was like, oh, yeah. Tracy Green. Tracy, how are you? She goes, do you remember the cheer? I said, what's the cheer? She goes, dippity Doo. Dippity Doo. Gavin, Gavin, we love you. I'm like, dad, dippity Doo was my go to hair back in the day. It was dippity Doo. I'm so glad we get to edit this out. Thank God. This is. Yeah, we got final. Final editing rights here, but. So that's how I started with Dippity do, and. And now it's just some weird styling creams thing. I don't know what.
- [77:34]
Jack
That still working, though. Congratulations, man.
- [77:36]
Gavin Newsom
It's great, though. I got to do that just for men.
- [77:39]
Jack
No, don't do it. Keep it. No dies.
- [77:42]
Nicole Moss
You actually look the same since last time I seen you. You don't look too much different.
- [77:46]
Gavin Newsom
I appreciate you, man.
- [77:47]
Nicole Moss
Agent.
- [77:47]
Gavin Newsom
Well, my friend, he's got. He's gonna get his key before you do, man.
- [77:50]
Jack
It's okay. I'm with him. I'll be right behind you.
- [77:53]
Nicole Moss
Yeah, whatever comes from being real, I'll take it. One album you can listen to with no skips. Ooh, Think about it.
- [78:02]
Gavin Newsom
Oh, come on. I mean, the idea of an album is strange, too. That ages me.
- [78:08]
Nicole Moss
Yeah.
- [78:08]
Gavin Newsom
That's just weird. I mean, that brings me back to, like, Pablo Cruz days.
- [78:11]
Jack
The vinyl, the Earth, Wind and Fire, Yellow.
- [78:14]
Gavin Newsom
And, you know, back when I remember buying those albums. Yeah. Literally, that was kind of the mindset. I do love my Pablo Cruz. I mean, back in the day, I think I still have those albums, old Billy Joel albums, et cetera. But no, it's. It's so different, so curated now.
- [78:27]
Jack
Yeah.
- [78:28]
Gavin Newsom
It's so wildly different. And it's like. And I'm all over the damn place with, like. I'm, you know, like, in this country music phase now.
- [78:38]
Jack
Okay.
- [78:38]
Nicole Moss
Yeah.
- [78:39]
Gavin Newsom
Which is hard I'm. You know. Which also has a lot of crossover appeal.
- [78:42]
Jack
Yeah, right.
- [78:43]
Gavin Newsom
I mean, absolutely. Yeah.
- [78:44]
Jack
They're saying a lot of real. In country music. Like, I had some friends that went to high school. Like, ah, I'm cool. Like, listen to what they're saying. I'm like, oh, they're really telling the story. I mean, they're drunk and with their dogs and doing all kinds of other shit, but they're telling the real story.
- [78:55]
Nicole Moss
One of the hottest songs this year has been a mashup with a country song and an R B beat. That's what they've been dancing to. I can't think of. I can't think of the guy's name. Huh? Shaboozi. No, no, no, no. I don't want to go downtown. This is what he used to. That song with another round, the one they've been doing the dances to. It's. It's a. His name. Waller. Waller, this song. And they masked it with an R B beat. And that's been the biggest song this year. Damn near.
- [79:23]
Jack
If you were to send off a smoke signal, which normally means we're calling attention and directing people somewhere, what would you be directing the people towards?
- [79:33]
Gavin Newsom
Well, like, I mean, I. Look, forgive me for being a little selfish in this respect, but this. This ballot, man, November 4th.
- [79:43]
Jack
Huge.
- [79:43]
Gavin Newsom
This whole thing, we will lose our country if we lose the midterm elections. It's not complicated. This is not hyperbole. This is not me. I've never been this guy. I've always been like, come on, we'll be all right. We're resilient. This is different. This guy's an invasive species, man. This is different. This is different. I wasn't joking. It is about the Rule of Dawn. And you look at the Declaration of Independence, it's the last thing anyone needs to look up. Look at the list of grievances from the founding fathers. Read them today. Taxation without representation and tariff policies that's increased the price for every single person watching. You. Checked how much your coffee costs. Checked how much a pound of beef or quarter pound of beef has cost the grocery store. Let's go. I mean, furniture, appliances, cars. I mean, this is serious. I mean, in every category, this guy is failing. But we have to reconcile that we still have agency and power and we can do something about it. And that's why we are giving people this. You know, we've given this gift of an opportunity to blow back in him on November 4th with Proposition 50, which just says we're going to fight Fire with fire. And I'll tell you, you brought up Michelle, and trust me, man, I remember you asked her that, because that was a clip seen everywhere. Because she. She. You're right. She didn't say yes. She said no. She said when we go higher. But she. I think I recall strategic.
- [81:11]
Jack
Strategic.
- [81:13]
Gavin Newsom
Matt's like, oh, that's good. Like, don't waste your energy.
- [81:16]
Jack
Gotta have a plan. Yeah, we gotta have a plan.
- [81:18]
Gavin Newsom
That's what Prop 50's about. Instead of sitting there screaming and yelling and, you know, I told you, holding hands and riding OP Ed, we put something on the damn ballot. I've had to raise $100 million. No bullshit. Over 100 million in 90 days. We put this on the ballot, and it's our chance to fight fire with fire, push back against Trump. It's a redistricting plan, but it's about power at the end of the day, and it's about holding the line and holding Donald Trump accountable. And everybody has the ability to do that by voting yes on Prop 50. It's in your mailbox. The last day of the election is November 4, but election day is today, and it's tomorrow, it's next week, because all you have to do is simply send that ballot back. Yes on 50.
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Jack
Rank these three in your order. MJ Kobe, LeBron.
- [82:12]
Gavin Newsom
Oh, why the hell you do that to me?
- [82:13]
Jack
Yeah, put you on the spot.
- [82:15]
Gavin Newsom
I hate this.
- [82:16]
Jack
It's okay.
- [82:18]
Gavin Newsom
It's not okay. That ain't right, man. I told you I was on the shop.
- [82:24]
Jack
I know. I get it.
- [82:25]
Gavin Newsom
And I grew up with how many posters of MJ Jesus in Kobe. Get out of here. By saying anything wrong.
- [82:33]
Nicole Moss
They'll be all right. Jesus Christ.
- [82:35]
Gavin Newsom
You know what I love? In politics, we have something called ranked choice voting. So you can vote. You don't have to vote for one or the other. You could just, you know, you could have. So I think that's a, you know, we.
- [82:45]
Jack
I think what I just said.
- [82:46]
Gavin Newsom
That's what you just said.
- [82:47]
Jack
I think Kobe br. I mean, you could throw it to me. You could throw any three up and have him. One, two, three. And I respect it.
- [82:53]
Gavin Newsom
You know what? Forgive me and. But I. You know, I'd be lying. You want my. My private thoughts? I want. Will make very clear. I. I just have so much mad.
- [83:02]
Jack
Respect for LeBron, man, on and off the court.
- [83:04]
Gavin Newsom
I love the beauty. The beauty of mj, man. Just the way. Just the. The grace, but the grit. This, This. I mean, and his grit. Don't get me wrong. Jesus grabbed me an assassin in terms of being on the go. You guys are smart on this there. I have a lot of conversations with Kerr about this too, which is. Oh, yeah, Kur has obvious reverence there, but. And it's not just shape shifting. LeBron just to me, represents something else. Just a mindset. This sustainable values the greatest superstar of.
- [83:36]
Jack
All time, in my opinion.
- [83:38]
Gavin Newsom
And what he's done off the court, how he comports himself, that matters to me. What he represents his kids to his best friends, man, being with them, they're still with him, says something about his character. I've seen him at his low moments, his high moments. I just think he's a special dude. And. And I thought, you know, what the hell? He's gonna retire. We have one more season with that little, you know, ad campaign he just put out. And this son of could be around for another three, four, five fucking years. That's amazing, right?
- [84:09]
Jack
Ain't no telling.
- [84:09]
Gavin Newsom
So that's. That's my I'd. So there. Mj. Sorry.
- [84:13]
Jack
Kobe.
- [84:14]
Gavin Newsom
Jesus, man, no disrespect.
- [84:16]
Jack
Tough call.
- [84:16]
Gavin Newsom
No disrespect. That's my list.
- [84:18]
Jack
Yeah.
- [84:18]
Gavin Newsom
Am I gonna get out of here?
- [84:19]
Jack
You're good.
- [84:20]
Gavin Newsom
I didn't have. We don't have to talk about the. The Dodgers.
- [84:23]
Jack
No.
- [84:23]
Gavin Newsom
Okay. They're gonna be.
- [84:25]
Nicole Moss
If you could see one guest on our show, who would it be? But you have to help us get your answer on the show.
- [84:32]
Jack
Yep. Gotta go in that Rolodex of yours.
- [84:36]
Gavin Newsom
Well, I want Donald Trump on the show.
- [84:37]
Jack
I said that too.
- [84:38]
Nicole Moss
Ben said that.
- [84:39]
Gavin Newsom
I'm cool with that.
- [84:40]
Nicole Moss
I got some questions.
- [84:41]
Gavin Newsom
And he's, you know, he's one of those guys. I have a. But on that subject, no one has a more interesting, I think, relationship to the president in elected office than I do. Because of the very nature that we've had one as a Democratic governor going at him. We're already involved in 42 lawsuits against him, 140 for the first term.
- [85:07]
Nicole Moss
Say lawsuits.
- [85:08]
Gavin Newsom
Lawsuits against him.
- [85:09]
Nicole Moss
I might not ever go to jail for nothing, bro. I'm gonna do some shit just to see when y' all check y' all attention. That is crazy.
- [85:19]
Jack
Yeah. Remember what color you are, right? Chill out.
- [85:21]
Gavin Newsom
Oh, man. By the way, you nothing to complain about. He's. He's the only. That son of a has told me. He said newsome should get arrested. So he's already. He's already called for my arrest, which is something. And by the way, when you and God is my witness, I sat down with our lawyer to actually game out what that would look like. And the idea that I'm even that again in 2025, that governor of any political stripe is gaming out a president United States saying on the tarmac that the guy should be arrested and actually figuring out what it would look like, how we do the bail, how we would actually work to get me out, and how we have to avoid any obstruction as it relates to an arrest which will create the real pretext for a real arrest is insane. But the point, I guess I'm saying is despite all that, could pick up the phone and have conversations with him. He's an interesting guy in that respect. And so he'd be an interesting. I say all that to not dismiss the notion that I could one day.
- [86:18]
Jack
See him come to all the smoke. I've been saying that.
- [86:21]
Gavin Newsom
Yeah.
- [86:22]
Jack
Well, Gavin, we appreciate your time, man. Continue to fight the good fight. We are behind you 100% and man, appreciate.
- [86:28]
Gavin Newsom
Thank you, buddy.
- [86:29]
Jack
Appreciate you, man. Gavin Newsom, thank you.
- [86:31]
Gavin Newsom
Thank you.
- [86:32]
Johnny Knoxville
Gotta close.
- [86:34]
Jack
Oh, so that's a wrap. You can catch us on all the smoke YouTube and the draft Kings network. We'll see y' all next week.
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Johnny Knoxville
Johnny Knoxville here. Check out Crimeless Hillbilly Heist, my new true crime podcast from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's the true story of the almost perfect crime and the nimrods who almost pulled it off.
- [88:14]
Gavin Newsom
It was kind of like the perfect storm in a sewer. That was dumb. Do not follow my example.
- [88:21]
Johnny Knoxville
Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [88:30]
Sophia
I live below a cult leader and I fear I've angered her.
- [88:32]
Gavin Newsom
Wait a minute, Sophia, how do you know she's a cult leader?
- [88:35]
Sophia
Well, Dakota, luckily it's I'm Not Afraid of a Scary Story week on the OK Storytime Podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my neighbor has been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals and now my ceiling is collapsing. I try to report them but but things keep getting weirder. I think they might be part of a cult.
- [88:53]
Gavin Newsom
Hold up a real life cult? And what is a dirt ritual?
- [88:57]
Sophia
No clue, Dakota. Find out how it ends. Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Robyn Dixon
You know the shade is always shadiest right here.
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Gisele Bryant
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Robyn Dixon
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Gisele Bryant
And you know we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday.
- [89:30]
Robyn Dixon
Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gisele Bryant
This is an iHeart podcast.