Sharon Stone's Complicated Grief

Summary

All There Is with Anderson Cooper

Episode: Sharon Stone's Complicated Grief
Release Date: June 25, 2026
Host: Anderson Cooper
Guest: Sharon Stone

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Episode Overview

In this moving episode, Anderson Cooper sits down with acclaimed actress, writer, and artist Sharon Stone to unpack her journey through profound loss and complicated grief. Sharon discusses the devastation of her near-fatal stroke, the deaths of multiple close family members—including her mother, brother, and infant nephew—and how these experiences shaped her identity and outlook. Together, Sharon and Anderson explore societal expectations of grief, the layers of trauma within families, the realities of surviving and caregiving, and the lifelong process of healing and self-parenting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Complexity of Grief and Societal Expectations

• [01:11–01:52] Sharon reflects on the many forms of grief, noting that "there's a myriad of ways that people respond, experience loss. So I think of it with a very open heart."
• She critiques the "greeting card industry" approach to grief, contrasting societal scripts with the diversity of global, tribal responses.

2. Sharon’s Near-Death Experience and Recovery

• [01:54–05:23] Sharon recounts her 2001 stroke and brain hemorrhage, describing her "white light" experience.
  • Quote [02:17], Sharon Stone:
    "I saw and felt myself being pulled upward into this incredibly bright white... brighter than anything we've ever experienced. And as I was whooshing upwards, the top of it appeared to open. And friends of mine, dear ones who had passed... were like, peeking at me... welcoming me."
• Sharon details the lengthy, grueling recovery—seven years—and the compounding grief of losing her marriage, health, and custody of her son during that time.

3. Losses and Grief Unique to Women

• [06:23–07:27] Sharon opens up about experiences with miscarriages, including holding her stillborn daughter and enduring societal silence:
  • Quote [06:23], Sharon Stone:
    "Women are told that we're not supposed to discuss our grief, our heartache, our losses. And then now we're being punished for them, which is a level of selfishness that is unprecedented."
• She connects personal pain to the collective lack of discussion around women's loss and trauma.

4. Family Tragedies: The Death of Her Nephew and Brother

• [07:27–10:02] Sharon discusses the death of her 11-month-old nephew, River, to sudden infant death syndrome and the agony of organ donation decisions.
  • Quote [07:31], Sharon Stone:
    "There's just nothing worse than a family watching a baby on a respirator who's brain dead... and making a decision, when do we turn it off and what do we do?"
• Less than two years later, her brother Patrick dies suddenly:
  • Quote [09:08], Sharon Stone:
    "He had a widowmaker and dropped dead at home in the middle of an unbelievable snowstorm... And it broke me... You're not supposed to say. I know, but he was my favorite. He was everybody's favorite, my little brother."
• Sharon describes Patrick's gentle, magical nature, and the enduring shock of his death.

5. Caring for Her Mother and Complicated Mother-Daughter Grief

• [11:22–16:02] Sharon reveals her fraught relationship with her mother, rooted in her mother’s own childhood abuse and trauma.
  • Quote [12:27], Sharon Stone:
    "My mom behaved often as if she didn't like me at all. And it took me quite a bit of therapy and trauma therapy to understand that it was a reflection of her own self loathing."
• Sharon cared for her mother at the end of her life, often pretending to be 'staff' to spare her mother’s pride.
• Releasing a Loved One to Die:
  • Quote [16:02], Sharon Stone:
    "I finally realized I have to let go... In order for her to die in peace, I had to release her. And sometimes that's what you have to do... the person they're meanest to, you find is the person they're most attached to."
• Sharon shares the long aftermath of her mother’s passing: the process of reparenting herself, reclaiming self-worth, and forming a safe space for vulnerability.

6. Mixed Emotions and the Truth of Relief

• [22:55–24:26] The conversation shifts to complicated and ambiguous grief, especially relief after the death of an abuser or from the burdens of caregiving.
  • Quote [22:58], Sharon Stone:
    "People often think that's a bad thing, that you're not allowed to have these feelings, any positive feelings from death or dying. But in fact there can be a lot of positive feelings..."
  • Quote [24:26], Sharon Stone:
    "It's okay to have every feeling you might have, and it's okay to feel relieved by that pressure. Leaving."

7. Childhood Trauma, Abuse, and Family Loss

• [24:37–27:28] Sharon recounts her grandfather’s funeral—a man who was an abuser—and the unusual relief she and her sister felt at his passing.
  • Quote [24:47], Sharon Stone:
    "It's a very weird thing when you're a kid and the first experience you have of death is glee and relief and emptiness."

8. The Impact of Loss in Youth

• [27:28–30:10] Sharon recalls the trauma of losing her high school prom date, Ray, to a drunk driver, emphasizing the complexity and permanence of early grief.

9. On Strength, Vulnerability, and Identity

• [30:10–32:43]
  • Anderson shares his mother’s example of core strength through vulnerability.
  • Sharon responds by highlighting the importance and societal resistance women face in maintaining a sovereign, inviolable sense of self.
  • Quote [31:19], Sharon Stone:
    "All these things that happen around me, no matter how illicit, I get to see them through the lens of my goodness, my choice... That is my treasure."

10. A Message to Those Experiencing Loss

• [32:43–33:10]
  • Quote [32:48], Sharon Stone:
    "If you've suffered any kind of loss, including a violation to yourself, your soul is yours. It's clean, it's pure, it's beautiful. And it's available for you to make it as big and beautiful and full as you choose."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:17] "I saw and felt myself being pulled upward into this incredibly bright white... friends of mine... were like, peeking at me through the top of this light and smiling at me and welcoming me."
• [06:23] "Women are told that we're not supposed to discuss our grief, our heartache, our losses. And then now we're being punished for them..."
• [16:02] "Sometimes you have to step back... sometimes the person that the person is meanest to you find out is the person they're most attached to..."
• [24:47] "It's a very weird thing when you're a kid and the first experience you have of death is glee and relief and emptiness."
• [31:19] "I get to see them through the lens of my goodness, my choice. There's so much oppression around this, particularly for women..."
• [32:48] "Your soul is yours. It's clean, it's pure, it's beautiful..."

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Important Timestamps

• [01:11] Sharon on different responses to grief
• [02:17] White light near-death experience
• [05:30] Health crisis and loss of child custody
• [06:23] Grief and women's silence
• [07:31] The loss of Sharon's nephew
• [09:08] Death of Sharon’s brother
• [11:22] & [16:02] Caring for her mother and letting go
• [22:58] Relief and positive feelings in grief
• [24:47] Childhood abuse and ambivalent feelings at a funeral
• [27:28] Losing her prom date
• [31:19] The inviolable part of the self
• [32:48] Message to those who have suffered any kind of loss

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Conclusion

Sharon Stone’s frank, nuanced storytelling—filled with sorrow, honesty, and hard-won wisdom—offers a powerful testament to the complexities of grief and healing. The conversation is an invitation to acknowledge pain, validate complicated feelings, reclaim one’s identity, and practice compassion towards oneself and others enduring loss.

Transcript

[Anderson Cooper]

Welcome to all there is, wherever you are in the world and in your grief, I'm glad you're here. My guest today is actress, writer, artist Sharon Stone. In 2001, she had a near fatal stroke and brain hemorrhage. Took her nearly seven years to recover and she says she's now living her second life. In her 2021 memoir, she wrote, the lessons of my second life are of recovering from loss, the loss of all things we call dear. My father, my three closest friends, my marriage, my health, the custody of my son, my career, my financial stability, one might say my identity. The grief and sense of failure that this caused was terribly, awfully overwhelming. Well, soon after that memoir came out, Sharon experienced the death of her 11 month old nephew, River. And two years later, his father, Sharon's brother Patrick died. And in 2025, Sharon's mom died as well. Sharon Stone is 68 now. She most recently starred in Euphoria on HBO. She has three sons through adoption, Rome, Laird and Quinn. I spoke to her several weeks ago. When you think of grief, what do you think of?

[Sharon Stone]

I think of the way that I've dealt with it in my life, losing so many members of my immediate family. But I then think about it in the way that it's imposed on us with the. No offense to Hallmark, but the sort of greeting card industry, how we are supposed to societally respond when tribally, around the universe, people respond to it in varied ways, from celebratory to beating themselves and wailing and all kinds of things. There's a myriad of ways that people respond, experience loss. So I think of it with a very open heart.

[Anderson Cooper]

You came very close to dying.

[Sharon Stone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, some would say I did die and was defibrillated and brought back. I had that white light experience which has stayed upon my shoulder and made me feel quite safe in this continued existence.

[Anderson Cooper]

Can you talk about what you saw?

[Sharon Stone]

I saw and felt myself being pulled upward into this incredibly bright white. But white doesn't exactly explain it. This light, this light that is brighter than anything we've ever experienced, like. Like moving directly into something bright as the sun, but not yellow. And as I was whooshing upwards, the top of it appeared to open. And friends of mine, dear ones who had passed, and particularly dear ones who I had aided in their passing, who I'd loved so much, were like, peeking at me through the top of this light and smiling at me and welcoming me. And I was seeing them, like, oh, away, away. You know, like, hi. Like, I was so happy to See them when all of a sudden I felt like I'd been kicked in the chest by a mule. You know, just, wow. And I expect they must have defibrillated me. And I just remember gasping like a. Like that kind of thing when you've been underwater too long, like you're swimming in a lake or somewhere and you just all of a sudden you're like, oh, I'm underwater way too long. And you come up for air and you're just like. I had that kind of experience. And I sat up and then I remember they said they're going to take you to a neurological hospital. You'll be okay. We've got you. And I passed out again. And then I woke up in the neurological icu and the girl next to me was screaming relentlessly. And the man directly across from me died. And I remember seeing him die and his machine slowing down, the beeps slowing down and stopping. And then them coming to get him, his body, and then them taking the machines out and then remaking his bed. And it was just. It was one of these kind of surreal experiences. They gave me the first exam where they give you. They go in the femoral artery and go up and look around, and they missed it, which was just a nightmare. And so I hemorrhaged into my brain for nine days. Wow. And I had an eight or nine hour surgery and then was moved to regular ICU so that I could come down off of this synthetic heroin, which is called Dilaudid, that they had been giving me. And so the next thing I had to do was get off the drugs.

[Anderson Cooper]

It's important to remind people you were at the pinnacle of your career. You had just adopted a child.

[Sharon Stone]

It took seven years to really fully recover from all of this. And in the meantime, I was sued for divorce. And I went to court six or seven times over the custody of my child, which I lost. That will give you some grief. I'd already had any number of miscarriages trying to have a child. My fifth and a half month pregnancy. In the middle of the night, my baby died. And I held my baby girl and said a prayer over her. The other four pregnancies I'd miscarried and I was going into sepsis. It was an absolute nightmare.

[Anderson Cooper]

My mom had a miscarriage before me, and she never talked about it. And my mom talked about everything. And I found it interesting that that was something that she didn't talk about.

[Sharon Stone]

Women are told that we're not supposed to discuss our grief, our heartache, our losses. And then now we're being punished for them, which is a level of selfishness that is unprecedented. I don't think the full depth and breadth of the female experience is really explored. You know, we get Disney movies where the mom's dead and the theme is just keep swimming. You know, that's not really how it goes. I've had to become the person that looks out. Excuse me, it does make me very sad. I had to be the person in my own family that looks out when people are dying. My 11 month old nephew died of sudden infant crib death and was on a respirator for five days.

[Anderson Cooper]

This is your nephew River?

[Sharon Stone]

Yes.

[Anderson Cooper]

Who died at 11 months old.

[Sharon Stone]

There's nothing worse. There's just nothing worse than a family watching a baby on a respirator who's brain dead and has to make a decision, when do we turn it off and what do we do? And watching the mom change this baby's diapers and watching my brother fall apart and watching my mother who had recently lost her other nephew, a 17 year old boy with 170 IQ who had died of a heroin overdose. To watch this level of endless suffering that had happened to my family and to try to be the person who maintained, you know, the ballast on the boat and made decisions and made thoughtful decisions and tried to help them find a path forward to talk to them about organ doning. And so that we gave my nephew's organs to five different people and saved five different people's lives so that they could feel the power and the forward motion of this baby's heart, this baby's lungs, this baby's kidneys, allowing someone else to live, to see, to feel, to breathe.

[Anderson Cooper]

River died in August of 2021. And then his father, your brother Patrick, died less than two years later.

[Sharon Stone]

Yeah, he had a widowmaker and dropped dead at home in the middle of an unbelievable snowstorm where there would have been no possibility of him getting help or care. And he really wanted to have this one more child. And this kid was a very special kid, a very angelic kind of kid. And the effect that he had on my brother was very serene and very beautiful. And that morning my brother had said, let's all do this something great. Together with his other two kids and his wife. And they were having this special day. He had chosen to make a special day that day. And it broke me. It broke me because you're not supposed to say. I know, but he was my favorite. He was everybody's favorite, my little brother.

[Anderson Cooper]

What about him?

[Sharon Stone]

Oh, he was a sort of a giant man. He was tall and just big. And he was a kid that he could always just grow anything. I mean, he won everything at the county fair every year. He grew tomatoes that were like this, that were actually delicious. But he was the kind of person that could just get out of the car and throw seeds by the side of the driveway and a garden would grow. And he just had this magical ability to grow everything and a magical ability with, well, I think my dad gave that to certainly to he, my brother Patrick and to me. Where animals will come to us like deer will walk out of the forest and we can pet them and animals will just come up to us like, you know, frightening animals, you know, like tiger, I can pet a tiger.

[Anderson Cooper]

You're like a much wiser Snow White.

[Sharon Stone]

It just, well, people do laugh with me. They say, you know, you walk down the street and birds come up and talk to you. And he was a really kind of magical creature and very lovely and tender and funny.

[Anderson Cooper]

We're gonna take a short break. When we come back, Sharon talks about caring for her mother Dorothy at the end of her life.

[Sharon Stone]

I wanted her to say, I'm proud of you, I love you. I'm sorry, you're important to me. And I wasn't going to get them and I had to make peace with the fact that my mom was not going to do that.

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[Sharon Stone]

much she loved you or even liked me. My mom behaved often as if she didn't like me at all. And it took me quite a bit of therapy and trauma therapy to understand that it was a reflection of her own self loathing. She had a very, very awful childhood and was removed from her home when she was 9 because she was so violently abused and was given to another family to be their housekeeper, laundress, shopper, cook, everything. At 9, the man was a dentist and by the by 12 she was also running the bookkeeping for the dentist office. This was incredible. Child abuse on top of the child abuse she'd already suffered. And she was pregnant at 16 and married to my dad, who they loved each other very much and had a really passionate, loving marriage for 60 years. However, nobody should be pregnant and married at 16 and working as a child servant at nine. And I think she was quite resentful of the fact that I was in a special Mensa program in the fourth, fifth, and sixth grade. I was in college at 15. I was having a life that was not only a normal kid life that she never even got a glimpse of, but I was having an accelerated education, special attention. I was the treasurer of junior achievement, which sounds maybe silly, but to her, that was something she would make fun of me when I came home from, because she was angry and jealous and upset and understandably so. Not understandable when you're little. Certainly not understandable when it's your mom who's the mom on the school trip, and she's getting drunk and playing cards and smoking with the other kids, and you're like, oh, my God, that can't be my mom. You know? And the other kids say, your mom is so cool. And you think, oh, if she's not your mom, of course. But I didn't. It was really hard because then I turned out to be super uptight and square because I didn't want her like my mom. And then when my mom died, she was at my house and I was taking care of her, but she. She didn't want it to be acknowledged between us that it was me, so I had to pretend that I was staff. So I'd come in with a towel over my arm and say, good afternoon, Mrs. Stone.

[Anderson Cooper]

Really?

[Sharon Stone]

Yes. And I would take care of her if anyone else was there. But when we were alone, she unloaded all the trauma of her childhood that she hadn't been able to say.

[Anderson Cooper]

Oh, my God.

[Sharon Stone]

And she was terrified to die because she was afraid her parents would be there. So I had to lie to her and tell her that her father was in jail and her mother was in a mental hospital and they weren't gonna be there. She was gonna be safe to die. And so she felt safe to tell me all the things they had done, which was, of course, a nightmare.

[Anderson Cooper]

Had you known much of that before?

[Sharon Stone]

I had known a lot of it, but not the real underbelly of it. And so then in the night that she was dying, she did not want to die, and she was really fighting it. And it was down to those moments where they titrate the morphine that we had in home medical staff. And they're like, oh, she's gonna die in four hours. Cause they really know how it goes. And my mom was holding on and holding on, and I finally realized I have to let go. I need to release my mother. I need to stop walking in the room. I need to go upstairs and ignore my mother so she will die. I need to detach and release. And she's only going to die if I let go. Which was hard because I wanted those things, Anderson. I wanted her to say, I'm proud of you. I love you. I'm sorry. You're important to me. And I wasn't going to get them. And I had to make peace with the fact that my mom was not going to do that. My mom was going to tell me every awful thing. My mom, no matter how many priests my sister brought in, and she brought in a few in an effort to help her, that I was the priest she was going to tell everything to. And I had to know that what I had to do was be the unlikable person. I had to go upstairs and close the door. And I did it. And then someone came upstairs and said, she's dying, she's dying, she's dying. Come down. And I said, no. Nope. Are you sure? Yes. And I had to hold so she could die. And then they came up and said, she died. We're going to take her out. Do you want to come down? And I had to hold because I had to allow her her release. And it was so hard because I wanted her to die in peace. And in order for her to die in peace, I had to release her. And sometimes that's what you have to do. Sometimes you have to step back. And sometimes the person that the person is meanest to you find out is the person they're most attached to because they feel safest to take it out on you. And it took me quite a while to process that. You know, the few days after she died, I felt like I was, like, out of my body, almost drunk with being out of my. I just felt like, wow, I don't know, kind of what's happening? And then this march rolled around, which is when my birthday is in March. And my friend said, well, this is your first birthday without your mom. How do you feel? And I thought, you mean it's a year? You mean it wasn't this march that she died? And I realized I had spent the year reparenting myself. I had taken everything out of my room. I repainted made myself a nurturing feminine space. And it had taken the whole year to come up and again, take that big deep breath as if I'd been underwater and recognize, oh, okay. This is a woman, a girl really, who had needed reparenting from someone who loved her me, someone who wasn't afraid to love her, see her, stand up for her, tell her she was okay, tell her she was smart. I'm proud of you. I am proud of you. I love you, I forgive you, I will accept you and I love you. And I had to give it to me that it wasn't going to come from her and that I could do it and that I could be okay. Relieved.

[Anderson Cooper]

I've only recently kind of realized the little kid that I was, how much that little kid I buried and how much that little kid is at the basis of the way I see the world and all my thought processes. And I'm trying to learn to turn to that kid and give him love and compassion. I'm wondering, do you feel like the adult that you are or do you feel like that child that you were?

[Sharon Stone]

Anderson I would say that probably for the first time in my life I feel sure footed as an adult. I feel like I am both a whole child and for the first time, a whole woman. Understanding what part of the childhood trauma that I carried belonged to me and what didn't and what part of it that I can compassionately understand that my mom was not capable of dealing with and why, even though I had afforded her therapy and all sorts of things, still my mom was a highly traumatized person. And all of the shame and fear that she carried around, that was something that she couldn't really break through. And what I learned in my own therapy and it's been so illuminating for me to see, oh right, of course she couldn't know everything. Of course I don't know everything. And it's okay for me to feel free from my mom, free from her trauma now that she's gone, and to feel growth from her passing.

[Anderson Cooper]

Did you feel relieved after her death?

[Sharon Stone]

Yes. People often think that's a bad thing, that you're not allowed to have these feelings, any positive feelings from death or dying. But in fact there can be a lot of positive feelings, particularly when you care for someone who's dying over a long period of time. The caregiver can just be worn to pieces. And the relief a caregiver can feel when that is over is enormous.

[Anderson Cooper]

People talk about complex grief, complicated grief, ambiguous grief. We get voicemails from thousands of People about their grief experiences. There's a whole range of emotions over death that are completely understandable.

[Sharon Stone]

Yes, because if you have been abused by someone, or even if someone has not stepped in and stopped abuse, or if someone who is meant to be your protector did not protect you. There are many complicated reasons why people can feel relief when someone passes. And culturally we don't have a lot of allowance for mixed feelings about these kind of things. We're all supposed to have these pre prescribed feelings where everybody feels terrific when you feel miserable

[Anderson Cooper]

and after somebody's died, everybody's great. But in reality, some people were not so great in one's life.

[Sharon Stone]

Yeah. And it's okay to have every feeling you might have, and it's okay to feel relieved by that pressure. Leaving.

[Anderson Cooper]

Talking about your grandfather's death, you wrote, it's a very weird thing when you're a kid and the first experience you have of death is glee and relief and emptiness.

[Sharon Stone]

Yes. Because he was an abuser who abused my mom and did everything he could possibly do to get near us, to be abusive of us. And he was not a grandfather. He was a creature that we tried to avoid at all cost. And so when he died and I was, I think 14 and my sister was 11, and we went to this funeral and there were the coffin and all these folding chairs and no one sat down. Everyone gathered in the back in these little tight clusters, which was also very peculiar because people usually kind of meander in sit down talk. There's a kind of usually a gentle caring and a hand holding and a thoughtfulness at a funeral, none of that. And I walked up to the coffin and looked in and my sister came up and sort of stood behind me and looked over my shoulder and she said, are we sure he's dead? Wow. And I said, I don't know. And she said, you better check. You better check.

[Anderson Cooper]

My God. Wow.

[Sharon Stone]

And I said, okay, okay. You know, and then we had to see who was gonna poke him to make sure he was dead. And I think it was me, of course. Cause I'm that one. And I think I reached in and shoved him in the shoulder and he was stiff and didn't move. And I looked at her and I went like, yeah, yeah, it's. And I think I said, it's over. And I think we still backed off and no one was around. Like everyone was in the back. And yeah, it reminds me of that movie where Eugene Levy was in a car and someone said, well, take a picture. And he went like that because it's One of those things where you take a picture with your mind and is just indelible for the rest of your life, you know. It will be a picture in my mind forever of that weird sense of emptiness, good emptiness.

[Anderson Cooper]

It's over.

[Sharon Stone]

It's over.

[Anderson Cooper]

Another early experience you had with death. The boy you went to the prom with, Ray Butterfield. You said Ray had been riding home on his motorcycle and a drunk driver had hit him. I'll never recover from seeing my 17 year old prom date with our prom picture in his pocket in that casket with the lost look of all of his friends standing by. Never.

[Sharon Stone]

They had asked me to speak at his funeral. And I walked up to the podium, his casket was there. His mom had put our picture in his pocket. And then the entire football team came and filed in and stood in the back of the funeral home. And I looked at them and they looked so young. I just remember thinking, you're all children. And then I had this incredibly weird thought. I will never be young again. And I got down off the podium and left. And I didn't talk. I just got down and walked out of the funeral home and walked down the street and left. This drunk driver ran him off the road, you could see the swerve of the tire tracks and kept right on going. And his motorcycle flipped over and he broke his jaw. And because this drunk did not stop, he choked to death on his own blood. There was nothing else wrong with him. And I was working that night. I was the manager of a Bob's Big Boy. And I had closed out, closed out the register and come home quite late, one or two o' clock in the morning. And I knew something was terribly wrong. And I remember sitting in the living room on the edge of the sofa against the arm of the sofa all night. And just at dawn as the sun started to come up, the phone rang. And I answered the phone. And his mom, when I was young, they called me Sherry. And she said sherry. And she started to cry and I said is he dead? And she said yes. And I hung up the phone. I just knew.

[Anderson Cooper]

I don't think many people maybe know this about you, all that you have been through, but just, you know, probably from afar, somebody looking at you would think you have had this sort of charmed life and you know, go from one fabulous thing to another. My mom, she developed this belief that she had inside a rock hard diamond that nothing could get at and nothing could crack. It was like a pearl of great value that she kept protected inside. And she had that throughout her life. And so even when my brother died, I knew that she would survive it. And she didn't survive it like a brassy, you know, cabaret singer, like tough as nails. She was the most vulnerable person I've ever met, and she remained vulnerable. And I realize now what that was such an extraordinary strength of hers. It wasn't a weakness of hers, which I used to view it as a child, the fact that you have propelled yourself forward, not running from, but walking with. I'm wondering, how do you do that?

[Sharon Stone]

You know, Anderson, this is a wonderful question. I've learned a lot working with young women and homeless mothers and their children. And Anderson, I think your mom was so correct when she decided this part of me is my treasure. It's mine. And all these things that happen around me, no matter how illicit, I get to see them through the lens of my goodness, my choice. There's so much oppression around this, particularly for women, because when we make choices that our soul is absolute and belongs absolutely only to us, we are often met with comments like, you're crazy. What are you thinking? How can you be that way? Anger, rage, resistance, oppression. Because it can feel very threatening to someone who wants to control you. For it to be very apparent that there is this amorphous part of you that, no, it's not there for the taking. It just isn't so.

[Anderson Cooper]

To someone listening who's suffered a loss, what would you say?

[Sharon Stone]

If you've suffered any kind of loss, including a violation to yourself, your soul is yours. It's clean, it's pure, it's beautiful. And it's available for you to make it as big and beautiful and full as you choose.

[Anderson Cooper]

Sharon Stone, thank you so much.

[Sharon Stone]

Thank you.

[Anderson Cooper]

Sharon's memoir, the Beauty of Living Twice, came out in 2021. If you have thoughts you'd like to share about my conversation with Sharon or about your own experiences with grief, we'd love to hear from you. You can leave a comment on our grief community [e-mail] alltheris or send us a voicemail at 404-827-1805 on Thursday, July 2nd. I hope you join me at 9:15pm for my streaming show, All There Is Live. You can watch it on CNN.comAllThereIs. it streams live there for free. It'll also be free to stream on our community page for a week on July 9th. For the next podcast episode, you'll hear my conversation with David Frum and his wife, Danielle Crittenden. Their daughter, Miranda, was diagnosed with an advanced brain tumor in the fall of 2018 and died in 2024. Danielle has just published a memoir, Dispatches from A Mother's Journey through the Unthinkable.

[Sharon Stone]

I suddenly understood, and this feels like a terrible thing to say as a mother and a wife, but. But for the first time, I understood that pain could be more powerful than living, that death could offer this retreat from the pain, and I could go into the ground with Miranda and be with her. And then your brain starts, yeah, David will be fine, the kids will be fine. But I can't keep living. And it's that bad.

[Anderson Cooper]

That episode of All There is comes out July 9th. Thanks for listening. Wherever you are in the world and in your grief, you're not alone.

[Sharon Stone]

Every week on the Moth podcast, real people tell their stories live on stage. And I don't know if you've ever taken care of somebody who's sick and dying, but when somebody who you love is very fragile, one of the things that happens is that the entire world starts to feel incredibly perilous. To hear fascinating, heartbreaking, and sometimes hilarious stories from astronauts, teachers, farmers, and people just like you. Follow and listen to the Moth. Wherever you get your podcasts.