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Feeling at Home in the Netherlands and South Korea with Peter Kersting | Expat Empire Podcast 46

I actually had the privilege of being on David's podcast Expat Empire a few months ago to talk about my time living abroad. You can check that out here!

David McNeill Founder of Expat Empire

If you want to get in touch with David McNeill or learn more about what Expat Empire has to offer your move abroad check out the links below.

Website: https://expatempire.com

Podcast: https://expatempire.com/podcast-overview/

Facebook: https://facebook.com/expatempire

Instagram: https://instagram.com/expatempire

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/expatempire/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExpatEmpire

Please enjoy part 3 of our interview with David McNeill, Founder of Expat Empire

*Transcripts may contain a few typos. With interviews ranging from 1-2 hours, it can be difficult to catch minor errors.

Peter Kersting: Welcome to Alone with Peter. I'm your host. And on this podcast, you're going to hear interviews with entrepreneurs, artists, digital nomads, and people seeking personal growth. We'll dive deep into what set them on their journey, where they are now, and how their story can impact you, including any helpful insights if you feel inspired to take a similar leap of faith. No matter where you are on the journey, thank you for spending some quality time Alone with Peter.

David McNeill: We're back for the third and well, hopefully not final, but the last interview for now with David McNeill, the founder of Expat Empire. Previously on Alone with Peter, we talked about David's Japanese fluency, ad nauseam, and its fascinating stuff. Linguistics always gets me going. And I think for anybody who's interested in moving to another country, especially a country with a very different language and culture, you can learn a lot from that episode and from David himself.

David McNeill: So don't forget to go back and check out that first and second interview if you have not already, but right now we're going to talk about Expat Empire. We're gonna talk about what that is, who that applies to, and how David's attitude of saying yes to opportunity and being open to pivoting has led to his success in this business opportunity.

David McNeill: You're not gonna wanna miss out. At the end of this episode, we're going to be giving you some actionable, practical tips if you're interested in living abroad, working abroad, being out there, and seeing what the world has to offer. So stay tuned for that. All right, David are you ready, man? How's it going?

David McNeill: It's going very well. Yeah, I'm definitely ready. Love to talk about all these topics. It's near and dear to my heart, obviously, and share as much insight, knowledge, and advice as I can.

David McNeill: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. So first I'm gonna start with this question. How important has it been for you to learn to pivot and just take the lemons life gives you?

David McNeill: Unbelievably important. And I think it's probably, I would venture that listeners of this, or viewers of this episode and these past episodes would maybe look at my experience or the things that I've done and say, wow, everything worked out great or you know, this or that.

David McNeill: I'm very fortunate that it has in the big picture, but, I have gone over quite a tough road over the years. You know, my plan, as we talked about last time was to stay in Japan. At least initially, that was what I wanted to do. That was my big passion. I finally got there and it ended up only being an experience of two years, which is not the shortest, but it's also not the longest time. And that was again because I applied to 50 jobs there.

David McNeill: I did not end up getting the one that sort of worked out or that made sense for me and my career. And so I decided okay, time to move countries, languages, and cultures for an opportunity in Germany and Berlin. And so that's just one example, but you know, I've gone through something like six jobs in seven years. So I had, I mean we can get into it, but I had that. I had a job in finance, originally. I left that after a couple years, then I worked in San Francisco for, a tech company for a year. Got laid off from that, after coming back from China, which we talked about, then I went to Japan, worked there for two years and ultimately had to make the decision to move on. And then I worked three different jobs in Berlin in the three years that I was there and then came to Portugal for a new opportunity and got laid off a year after that.

David McNeill: So, you know, it's definitely been a lot of ups and downs. It's not always been fun, but it has worked out in the big picture. And I guess that's the thing about it is that it makes me realize that I can adjust. I can always pivot. I can change what I'm doing, what I'm focused on in the country, the culture, and everything else to make it work for me. But, it's not been an easy road and I don't want to have anyone come away from this thinking that, you know, stuff has just fallen into my lap. It's been a lot of work and a lot of disappointment and frustration along the way, but I've just kept that goal of staying abroad doing what I want to do, and continuing my career and the path that it takes to keep me going,

Peter Kersting: David, thank you so much for being honest with the audience, because I think, especially in today's world, we're getting these snapshots. We get snapshots of people's success, snapshots of their Instagram stories. And we forget that we're seeing this at 500 times speed. We joked about this in-between episodes that when you see somebody's road trip, you're not seeing all the stress and the sleep deprivation, and arguing with your friend, cuz he is backseat driving. You're just getting the highlights. Of course, that looks like a great life. And for you to be honest with us that, Hey, you know what? Yeah. I spent 15 years studying Japanese. I thought I was gonna be in Japan for a long time. This was the plan. And then it's just two years and I had to pivot? I'm sure at the time that was so disappointing and so hard for you.

David McNeill: Oh yeah. I remember how angry I was at Japan. Let's say like as a concept, like, I had sacrificed and invested so much for it. And that's what I got in return? That's how I felt. You know, you get rosier glasses as time goes on and things like that. And I mean, it is what it is. And obviously, I've been down the path I was supposed to be o...