Tips For A Better Workout From Peloton’s Tunde Oyeneyin

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Podcast Summary

Am I Doing It Wrong? — Tips For A Better Workout From Peloton’s Tunde Oyeneyin

Date: April 9, 2026
Hosts: Raj Panjabi Johnson & Noah Michelson
Guest: Tunde Oyeneyin (Peloton instructor, author, Nike athlete)

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode dives into the question: "Am I working out wrong?" with guidance from Tunde Oyeneyin, a prominent fitness instructor and motivational figure. The hosts explore not just the technical side of exercising, but the emotional hurdles—consistency, confidence, intimidation, and making fitness joyful rather than a chore. Tunde shares practical advice, motivational strategies, and reminders that working out is a personal journey for everyone, regardless of current fitness level or history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tunde’s Fitness Origin Story ([05:02])

• Born in Houston to Nigerian immigrants, Tunde started as a makeup artist before finding her passion for fitness. She describes facing body shaming in youth, and how her own path to confidence led her to want to help others feel empowered through movement.

• Quote:

  “I was always made fun of, picked on, and teased for my size...I kind of found this, like, love for movement and enjoyment. I had a taste of what [confidence] felt like and I said to myself, ‘shit, everybody’s got to feel this.’” — Tunde Oyeneyin (05:19)

• Her entry into Peloton was not immediate—her first audition was rejected, but months later she was asked to audition again and joined as an instructor.

2. Finding Joy in Fitness ([09:43])

• Fitness is like relationships: what you love may change over time.
• Don’t be rigid—a workout you love might shift as your life evolves.
• Try different modalities. If you don’t feel like lifting, go for a walk or do yoga instead. Consistency matters more than “the perfect plan.”
• Quote:

  “Finding the workout that you love is just like finding a partner that you love, you know, and sometimes someone’s really great for a season and then somebody else is great for the next.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (10:31)

3. The 10-Minute Rule & Tackling Consistency ([12:32])

• Tunde's simple solution for resistance: Commit to just 10 minutes.
  • Set a timer or join a 10-minute class. If you want to stop after, allow yourself to quit—though almost everyone keeps going.
  • Accountability partners (in-person or virtual) make a huge difference.
• Quotes:

  “Set your alarm for 10 minutes on the days you don’t want to work out...If I choose to stop after that 10 minutes is over, then I’ll stop...99.99999% of the time, once you do 10 minutes…the first 10 minutes of any workout, it’s the hardest.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (12:32)

4. Making it Motivating ([14:30])

• Great music, an accountability buddy, or a cute outfit can boost motivation.
• There’s permission for these to be “vain” strategies if they help you feel confident.

5. Accountability & Community ([16:19])

• Whether you need a real-life friend, a teacher on a screen, or an in-person class, choose what keeps you honest.
• Even pros need someone to tell them what to do—don’t expect to always self-motivate alone.

6. Pre-Workout Preparation ([17:24])

• Prep starts days before: good sleep, nutrition, hydration.

• Immediately before working out: focus on warming up, especially glutes/mobility for injury prevention.

• Quote:

  “If you didn’t do proper maintenance and fuel up, you can’t just expect to get in the car and start moving...why would you expect any differently from the engine that is your body?” — Tunde Oyeneyin (17:44)

• Glute activation is especially important—they’re large, “lazy” muscles and not warming them up raises injury risks.

7. Fueling Workouts ([19:22])

• Hydration matters more in the days before than just before a session.
• Food timing/pref type varies per person; for Tunde, a meal 2 hrs before is best (e.g., toast with almond butter and honey for carbs, fats, and sugars for running).
• Adjust based on your activity and body—no one-size-fits-all answer.

8. Cardio vs Strength Training Order ([20:49])

• Depends on your goals:
  • Training for a race? Run first, strength train after.
  • General fitness/build muscle? Strength train first.
• Strength training is particularly crucial for women, especially as they age.

9. Cardio Options ([24:42])

• Many ways to train the heart: cycling, rowing, dancing, swimming, hiking, HIIT, stair climbing.
• If running isn’t for you, try these alternatives!

10. Strength Training & Overcoming Intimidation ([28:12])

• The myth women will get bulky is persistent but false.
• Don’t let gym intimidation stop you: the key is to start, go light, and progress at your pace.
• Beginners should focus on learning form (with classes, trainers, or digital instruction) before going heavy.
• Quotes:

  “I feel like we’re in 2026 and we’re having the same conversation that we’ve had for the last 30 years.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (28:12)

11. What Makes a ‘Good’ Workout? ([31:21])

• Soreness can be a good sign, but immobility or pain is not.
• Alternate hard/easy days for balance.
• Pay attention to how you feel—emotional benefit is equally important.
• Quote:

  “You tell yourself you can, you can. And if you tell yourself, I won’t. I cannot. You won’t...just be so mindful of the words that you’re saying to yourself, like, specifically during a workout.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (34:05)

12. Recovery & Dealing With Soreness ([34:31])

• Post workout: foam roll, hydrate, eat protein & fiber (not just protein!).
• If overly sore, light movement (walking, yoga) is better than total rest.

13. Common Mistakes ([36:42])

• Skipping leg day or neglecting strength training—especially among women, who often focus only on cardio.
• Lateral (“side to side”) movement is underutilized and important for functional fitness.

14. How Fitness Changes You—Inside and Out ([37:16])

• Physical and mental confidence are the real rewards of fitness.
• Tunde reflects how her journey started for weight loss, but empowerment—and her community—were the greatest gains.
• Quote:

  “What I gained from this experience surpasses all that I that I lost. I gained a sense of confidence, I gained a knowing that I can do really hard things.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (37:57)

15. Final Motivational Takeaways ([39:40])

• Just start. Use the 10-minute rule.
• Do it for yourself, not for others. Allow yourself to “restart” as many times as you need.
• Quotes:

  “Be selfish...When I am self full with my time and I choose myself first, I am better, better for everybody on my to do list.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (40:00)
  “It’s never too late to start. It’s never...Start, start again and do it for you.” — Tunde Oyeneyin (40:28)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On pushing past rejection:

  “A door can shut in your face and it doesn’t mean it won’t open again.” — Noah Michelson (06:56)

• On confidence and lifting weights:

  “If I’m about to sit here and deadlift 300 pounds, tell me there’s something else I can’t do...” — Tunde Oyeneyin (37:24)

• On giving yourself permission:

  “The shake is scary because you’re just like, ‘oh, this is actually really hard. This feels new. It doesn’t hurt, but it’s uncomfortable.’...I showed up for myself.” — Raj Panjabi Johnson (33:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:02] — Tunde’s background & story
• [09:43] — Finding your joyful workout
• [12:32] — 10-Minute Rule & consistency hacks
• [14:30] — Motivation: music, outfits, and partners
• [17:24] — Pre-workout routines
• [19:22] — Nutritional prep and hydration
• [20:49] — Cardio vs strength training order
• [24:42] — Cardio alternatives
• [28:12] — Strength training for everyone
• [31:21] — Defining a “good” workout
• [34:31] — Soreness and recovery
• [36:42] — Common workout mistakes
• [37:16] — Transformation through fitness
• [39:40] — Final tips and motivation

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“Better in Five” — Episode Takeaways ([43:26])

1. Prepare for a workout days in advance: Hydration, sleep, and nutrition matter.
2. Try Tunde’s 10-minute rule: Start with just 10 minutes—you’ll likely want to continue.
3. Incorporate strength training: For body, mind, and future health.
4. Find accountability: A person or on-screen coach will keep you going.
5. Know your why: Do it for you—self-worth drives lasting consistency and joy.

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Tone & Language

The conversation is candid, supportive, occasionally irreverent, and motivational—full of laughter, empathy, and realism. Tunde’s advice is direct but encouraging, demystifying fitness and centering joy and self-worth.

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Summary In a Sentence

This episode empowers listeners to stop overthinking their workouts, start wherever they are (even for just ten minutes), prioritize strength, seek community and joy, and above all, do it for themselves—not anyone else.

Transcript

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[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Hi, I'm Raj Panjabi Johnson, head of identity content at HuffPost.

[Noah Michaelson]

And I'm Noah Michaelson, head of HuffPost Personal.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Welcome to Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right. Okay, Noah, I think I know the answer to this, but are you working out wrong?

[Noah Michaelson]

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'VE been working out for 27 years now at this point, and I've done it differently. I've belonged to gyms. I've done it at home. Right now I do it in my office with just some free weights and peloton. But I think I know what I'm doing at this point.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

But I think I can always learn more.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

You know, I'm never gonna just rest on my laurels, so we'll see. What about you? You're not working out wrong?

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I'm working out a little wrong. And I'll tell you why. As you guys know, if you listen to the show, I love working out. I love talking about it. It makes me really happy. I do it for the strength and endorphins. However, I'm not as consistent as I would like to be.

[Noah Michaelson]

Okay.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I feel like you are very consistent. I. I will have a day, a week where I'm doing fantastic and I feel really good. And then the next week, I choose cinnamon rolls. And not like, that's my workout, where I'm, like, lifting from the plate, and then I only go maybe once or something like that. And it's like scheduling and winter storms and, like, whatever it is. But I do feel like consistency is something I want to get a lot better at.

[Noah Michaelson]

And we're all busy. I get it. And I also think once, if you're going, I think a lot of times you go, but. But once you stop going, it's really hard to start going again. So, Raj, I'm really excited. I'm actually fanboying a little bit because we have Tunde Oyunane. She is a New York Times bestselling author, a peloton instructor. I think that's where a lot of people know her from. The best. She's a motivational speaker. She's been in Sports Illustrated swimsuits. She's working with Nike. There's nothing this woman hasn't done. And now she's one of the stars of Tyler Perry Studios BET show Sistas.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yes.

[Noah Michaelson]

But not only that, she is on. Am I doing it wrong? Probably. That's probably the best thing.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Biggest accolade ever.

[Noah Michaelson]

So we're gonna get it straight from the source.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Tunde. Get our lives.

[Noah Michaelson]

Tunde. So good to have you here.

[Tunde Oyunane]

It's so good to be here.

[Noah Michaelson]

It's actually very weird for me because I was just saying before we started that I hung out with you yesterday, and, like, I yell at you and I scream at you because you torture me, but you don't talk back into, like, to have you here, you know, actually talking back now, kind of like a little pet. Yes, exactly, exactly. But we wanted to start with just like your origin story. We ask this a lot. How did you get to where you are now? Oh, God, in like a minute and a half, you know, Give us the highlights.

[Tunde Oyunane]

I am originally from Houston, Texas. My parents immigrated here from Nigeria in hopes of the American dream. I moved from Texas to LA to pursue my dream of being a professional makeup artist. I worked in that world for 16 years. I loved it until I hated it. I was really honest with myself. I said, tuna, do you love the work that you get to do or do you just love the title? And I did love the work. And then that that love was beginning to expire. I fell in love with fitness. Fun fact. I was always made fun of, picked on, and teased for my size when I was in Texas and throughout grade school. And so I kind of found this, like, love for movement and enjoyment. I had a taste of what conf and I said to myself, shit, everybody's got to feel this. And so I wanted to share. I wanted to help people feel confident. I think that's also why I got into makeup. I wanted people to feel confident and I was looking to do to use my gift in a different way. And so I started teaching cycling classes at a mom and pop shop. Very shortly after I started, I got a DM from Cody Rigsby. He was at the time the head of the cycling instructors. He said, hey, I think you're great. Come out and auditioned. I. I came. I went out to New York. They flew me out. I auditioned. After my audition, he said, that was the best audition I've ever seen. Can't wait for you to start work here. A few weeks later, I got an email that said, we will not be moving on with your candidacy. The other votes went in not my direction. Eight months later, he called me back. He said, we are fools. Will you come back and audition again? Audition again. I got the job after having the job. I've been peloton for seven years. Within that time, I have become a New York Times bestselling author. I'm the first trainer instructor to become and be named a Nike athlete. I am the 2026 Sports Illustrated Swim rookie and I get impact the lives of millions of people every single day by virtue of a bike. That's my 92nd elevator spiel. I love that.

[Noah Michaelson]

It's incredible. I also love the idea too, that, like, a door can shut in your face and it doesn't mean it won't open again. And you just have to be open to the possibilities that, like, maybe this wasn't the right time and it could still happen.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah, it's funny, because after I'd got that first. No. Anytime a Peloton commercial would come on, my friends would see the commercial and they'd be like, turn down Peloton. Turn the TV on. Fuck Peloton. Like, that whole thing. Now, look, you know when my friends did that and I would laugh because I appreciate their support and their hate of someone for me? Of course, we love when our friends hate people because they love us. And I couldn't say the F. You too. I couldn't say it because there was something inside of me that knew that the opportunity wasn't. I just didn't believe it. Before working for Peloton, I said that I was a makeup artist. And so while I was a makeup artist living in la, I'd been flown. I was flown to New York for a conference, a cosmetic conference, and I went to a cycling class. I'd never taken a cycling class ever before. And just on a whim, I heard Kelly Ripa sing. It was so great. And Beyonce would work out there sometimes. So I was like, let me go see if I can see B. So I went to the class, and 45 minutes later, I unclipped from the class, and I was in the state of euphoria. Right after my very first cycling class. I knew that I'd be cycling for the rest of my life. And so, yeah, I just. I believe that I was supposed to do it. And the funny thing there is, I always say I left New York. I left that trip. I went back to la. I told two of my best friends, Christy and Max. I'm telling him I had this vision, and I'm supposed to be a cycling instructor. And they start crying. Mind you, they don't remember the story. They start crying, and that's how small the conversation was to them, but it was so big to me. They start crying, and they say, you're so meant to do this. And so my friend Max pushes me, pushes me, pushes me to get my certification, to teach classes. I think that took three months of pushing me, and it wasn't until my best friend, I was at the cycling studio that I later would teach at, but I was at that studio, and my best friend Christy literally pushed me into the owner. Her name is Mimi, she pushed me into her so that I would say to her, hey, I would love to teach here. Just Letting anyone know that I had a desire to teach, that was too intimidating. That was too much for me. I'm really happy that I went to that class. I had that vision. I got the push from my friends. My friends saw me in something. I always say to people like, you have no idea the power that you have when someone tells you their deepest thought. If they'd given me any indication that this was a crazy idea, I don't know that I would have gone for it. And so I'm grateful that I told the right people. I'm grateful that I trusted myself, and I'm grateful to be on the ride. No pun intended. Or maybe pun intended, always.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

There's so many threads I want to pull at, but the first one, I love that you said you felt euphoria after that, that first class. I want to help all of us find that whether we end up teaching or changing the world like you are, or just really enjoying our workout. And we all know what. What workouts do to our brains, fitness, all of that. So help us find that bliss and find the workout we love, right? Because it's like, I'm gonna start working out or I wanna find a new workout that I love. And the gym is like, okay, you can go, you can run, you can do whatever. How do we find the thing that works for us? I love hot yoga. I love spin. And I do feel that euphoria. It affects the way I work. It affects the way I treat my partner. Everything. Like, how happy I am inside with my glow. So how do we find the workouts that we are going to feel that joy from?

[Tunde Oyunane]

I think finding the workout that you love is just like finding a partner that you love, you know, and sometimes someone's really great for a season and then somebody else is great for the next, right? For me, cycling was meditative. Like, you know, when you sit with intention to meditate, thoughts come in right. For me, when I was on that bike, like, that was meditation, was moving meditation. It's not meditation for me anymore because it's my work. You know, I think that anyone who loves something, when it becomes your work, it's, oh, yeah, you have a different relationship. I love my job and I love what I get to do, but it's not meditation for me. I'm at work, I'm making sure the lights, you know, where the light needs to be. Music cue. I'm cueing them the right proper form. I'm trying to smile, look like I'm not about to die, like, the whole thing. So for Me running is kind of where I get a little bit more of that. I fall into a meditative, meditative space when I'm working out and sometimes yoga. But yeah, I think you just got to try different workouts on and see what works for you. Like, I think people focus a lot too much on doing the right workout and following the plan for the day. Yeah, like have a plan and try to stick to it. But if you don't feel like lifting today, and lifting was the plan, I'd rather you walk, go on a hike than not do anything at all. And so I don't think that believe in such being so rigid that it causes you to just give up and not do anything at all.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Okay.

[Noah Michaelson]

I love that. I used to go to the gym sometimes and I would like, I would get there and I wouldn't want to lift and I would just stretch for 20 minutes. And I was like, I was so glad I did that or I was a StairMaster or something. But you're absolutely right. What about how do we get ourselves to be consistent? I was reading that, like, consistency is actually more important than intensity. A lot of people focus on like how intense their workout is, but actually you, you just need to go. So do you have any tips for like, how do we get our asses out the door? Maintaining a turn on the TV and do the workout, you know?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah. I always call it the 10 minute rule. So I, funny enough, I, I had an interview this morning and the person asked me, they were like, well, you know, has there ever been a time when you didn't want to work out? And I laughed and I said, every time.

[Noah Michaelson]

Right.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Like, because I work in fitness, I think people think I wake up and I say it's another day to move. Like, no, I'm not excited to work out. But no, in seriousness, I do it for me because I have an accountability partner, someone who, like, I am held to. I call it the 10 minute rule. Set your alarm for 10 minutes on the days that you don't work out. Right. You don't want to move. I set my timer for 10 minutes or I pop into a 10 minute Peloton class and I say, I'm just going to give it this 10 minutes. I think that anybody can commit to 10 minutes. Yeah, right. If I choose to stop after that 10 minutes is over, then I'll stop out of the 10 minutes over. But if there's any part of me that says I can give it more time than I give it more time. 99.9999, 9, 9, 9% of the time. 1. Once you do 10 minutes, for me, the first 10 minutes of any workout, it's the hardest. Not necessarily necessarily in terms of the physical of what you're doing, but the mental, like, blockage. I don't want to be here. Oh, gosh. My shoelaces aren't tied right during a run. Oh, gosh. There's elasticity. And these pants are falling down. They're about to give out. I don't feel good. Oh, this bra is too tight. Like, first 10 minutes, you're making up any excuse to stop. If you can get past the first 10 minutes, fantastic. So I say set your alarm for 10 minutes. Beyond that, accountability partner. My accountability partner. Two. One in New York, or rather, one in New York. Her name's Katie Wong. She's another peloton instructor. We. We work out together. And then I have a friend, Nikki. She lives in Texas. And so the. I say that to say, the accountability partner doesn't need to be able to do it with you. And then I'd say put on some good music. And then lastly, when I look cute. That's right, baby.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Preach, preach.

[Tunde Oyunane]

When I. When that set matches, baby, I feel like I get a better workout. Like, yes, you can throw anything on. But I think one of my teammates, Alex, always says, feel good, look good, do better. When I feel like I look somewhat attractive. Okay. During my workout, I'm a little bit more psyched to, like. Cause you get a little glimpse of yourself, and you're like, okay, it's working, it's working. Keep doing this.

[Noah Michaelson]

Raj talks about that a lot.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I do. Listen, you can't tell me not thing when I have a cute gym outfit I try to wear to the supermarket, too, because, you know, you're right. It's a matching outfit. And, you know, when I throw stuff on and go to the gym, I'll do it. But it's just not as motivational. Am I vain? I don't know. Maybe this is just, like, a thing that makes me feel happier. And you talked about confidence. Confidence is really key to how you're gonna carry out something. I think, yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

And for me, I'm the exact opposite. I look like a total slob. When I work out, I work out at home. No one's watching me, and I'm like, if I can just throw anything on, that's more likely to get me to do it.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Whatever.

[Noah Michaelson]

I'm not thinking about the outfit. I just put anything on.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Well, that's more sensible, because out in these streets, you're a 10. You can be a slob when you're working out at home.

[Noah Michaelson]

But I will also say the accountability thing. This is going to sound so crazy, and I think, Raj, you and I have talked about this, so I do do peloton. We're not getting paid to do this episode. It just happens that I really like it, and I do the lifting. And having someone in the room with me, even if they're on a TV screen, who is saying, like, just do three more. Don't quit yet. That has changed the way I work out. Because when I was at the gym, I would sit on a machine and be on my phone. I would. I would only do two sets and move on. And when you have someone, even if it's someone on a TV who's actually telling you, keep going. Here's what to do next. Take 30 seconds. You earned that.

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Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

It changed my life.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It's crazy. I totally agree. Except for I need a human person, and that's great. Yeah, I can't.

[Noah Michaelson]

My partner, Benji, he has to go to a class and be there in person. That really drives him. But I think it just depends on who you are and what you need, you know?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Totally agree. No, I have to say this. Like, I'm a peloton instructor, but I'm a peloton member first. Like, I get it, and I get why people, like, love it and the convenience. When I'm traveling, I'm on the road and I'm in a hotel, or even if I'm at, like, a local gym, I. I prop up my peloton, right? And it's funny, because people that peloton that know who I am, they're looking at me like, she's taking a peloton class. And a lot of times it's not my own class. So that's very confusing to people, too, right? Nobody wants to hear the sound of their voice, first of all. But, yeah, I just. I. I need someone to tell me what to do. Otherwise, because I am a fitness professional, I get there, and I know the plan. I can write my own workout out. And I say to myself, oh, tunday, yesterday was a tough day. Let's dial back on that. I'll start making every excuse for myself why I don't need to do whatever my plan was. So, yeah, I get it.

[Noah Michaelson]

I'm with you. Yeah.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

All right, so let's talk about before our workouts, because we want to set ourselves up to succeed, even if it is just 10 minutes. What should we be doing beforehand? Stretching what should we be eating or drinking? I heard a lot about the creatine. I like a cold brew before I work out. Like, set us up for success. What should we be doing in the 20 minutes before we work out?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Well, I was gonna say, like, if you really wanna set yourself up for success, it's happening like two or three days leading up to the workout. That's proper recovery. That's stretching from the previous workout. That's proper fuel. Like it all, you know, if you. Let's use a car analogy. I'm making this up as we go, so just bear with me. I don't know even know what things are called on a car, but, like, if you didn't do proper maintenance and fuel up, you can't just expect to get in the car and start moving. Like, you just wouldn't expect that.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

So why would you expect any differently from the engine that is your body? So I would say when it comes to the 20 minutes before 20 minutes should be like foam rolling, stretching, warming up. Get like, get a band. Get like a little exercise band. Like, warm up the glute. Warm up the glute. Warm up your glutes before you start working out. Yeah. Do proper mobility.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It's funny that you say glute, because a lot of my friends, that's where the injury happens. Like hip and glute. Just because you're like, ow. But I'm of a certain lady, a

[Tunde Oyunane]

certain age, the glutes are such a big muscle and they're such a lazy muscle. It's a big muscle and it's a lazy muscle. So, like, when you're running, obviously you're using the glute and it's. The glute is active, but if you didn't warm the glute up specifically, you know, I'm saying like a band, for example, or even doing the clamshells. If you don't warm the glute up, it takes a while for it to actually turn on during the workout. So. Especially for somebody who's trying to grow their booty. Baby, I've been on a booty growing journey this last year. My whole life finally started moving. And it was. It's because I've been more diligent with my warmup.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Okay. And eating, drinking anything that you recommend.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Tequila? No. Oh, before the workout. My kind of workout. Listen, different days call for different. Anything that you should be. I mean, again, it's the same thing. If you are pounding water with electrolytes 20 minutes before your workout, expecting it to do for much for you. The hydration was yesterday. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't hydrate, but the hydration was yesterday. In terms of fuel, for me, 20 minutes before, everybody is different. Like, literally every body is different. For me, 20 minutes is too close. I usually cut off the food window. For me, like, two hours beforehand.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Okay.

[Tunde Oyunane]

And the way I feel kind of. I don't know if the car analogy works here, but it depends on where I'm going. Like, depends on what type of workout I'm doing.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

If I am running, for example, maybe I'm focusing more on carbs and some sugar and some good fat. So a really great breakfast for me when I was doing marathon training was toast with almond butter and a drizzle of honey on top of it. So I'm getting carbs, fat, and sugar. If I'm doing a heavy lift, maybe it's carbs and then followed by protein. So it really depends on everybody. Like, you know, like, Adele is here. Adele can't eat the day that she works out, basically. But everybody's different.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

Unfortunately, it's not Adele the singer. In case people are.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Anytime I say Adele, people are like, you know.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah, completely. I have people imagine the listeners being like, adele is also there today, and

[Tunde Oyunane]

then we didn't put her on camera.

[Noah Michaelson]

Right. What do you think about cardio being before lifting or lifting before cardio? Do you have thoughts on that?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah, it depends on what your goals are. So when I was marathon training, my focus was my run. Like, getting my runs in. And so I would do my run, and then I would strength train after and everything. That the way that I was strength training, it was to aid in my running. So I did a lot of single leg movement, single arm movement. Because when you run, you're running with one leg, you're moving one arm. Right. And so is training my body that way too, versus in normal life. I strength train before I run. Why? I really enjoy strength training, and my focus is always building and rent and. Or retaining muscle, depending on where my composition is.

[Noah Michaelson]

Right.

[Tunde Oyunane]

And then, like I said, I love strength training. I don't love running, actually. I kind of hate it, but I love the way it makes me feel. And so I call myself a runner. Took me a really long time to get there. But I am a runner. I like to do strength training first because I feel good. And once I feel good, the running just doesn't suck as much anymore. My glutes are turned on, my core is fired up, and I'm ready to shake on a run and because you're

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

strength training, your knees are probably gonna hurt less because your muscles are getting stronger.

[Tunde Oyunane]

I think everyone should strength train. That's a whole other podcast episode. Just the Benefits of Strength TR specifically for women. Specifically for women over 40. Like a must, a game changer, bones begin to quit. Yeah, I think that started for me at 37, more than 40 like everyone says. But yeah, it's a really no.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It's different for everyone genetically to think about. Yeah, yeah.

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[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Let's talk about a little more about cardio, though, because I feel and many people feel, you know Things. Certain conditions run in their family. Like, it's important to, to work your heart out. Right. And we think of running and you are a runner, but what other cardio is there for us? Say you do. You are worried about your joints or you find running boring. I'm not gonna say anyone in this room does, but, like, what. What other cardio do you enjoy? What is out there that's kind of fun?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Oh, obviously. Cycling. It's easy for me to say. Rowing, dancing, swimming, hiking. It's not running. I think that you can love hiking and hate running. So hiking. You can even do a full body body weight workout. More of a hiit style training. That's cardio. You can use lighter dumbbells and still get in a cardiovascular workout. That depends on. You're driving your up. You're, you're, you're getting in your. Your cardiovascular work as well.

[Noah Michaelson]

I love to. When I used to go to the gym, I love the StairMaster.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Like, Stair Master is a good one.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

The hardest one for me, I just

[Noah Michaelson]

loved it, especially the one that's actually like a set of stairs that are moving. I would just watch Project Runway, and

[Tunde Oyunane]

I was going to say you're able to, like, tune out and catch up on your shows.

[Noah Michaelson]

Absolutely. It was the best. Do you have thoughts about doing a full body workout three times a week versus training, like, arms and chest one day and back and, you know, how do you feel about that?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Again, it kind of goes back to, like, what your focus is.

[Noah Michaelson]

Okay.

[Tunde Oyunane]

What your goal, what your goals are. For me, I do. And it's crazy because people was like, wait, you work out outside of peloton?

[Noah Michaelson]

That is crazy.

[Tunde Oyunane]

But when you work out, you work out for, like, the mental escape too, and the freedom. When I'm working out on camera, there's no escaping anything. Like, I'm at work and the camera's on me, and I have to remember to talk. I work out outside of peloton because it's when I get to, like, decompress and. Yeah, you know, meditate again. Right. And so I, I do like, a split program. I do the same workout for six weeks. I have an A day, a B day, and a C day. Same exact workout. But I do what's called progressive overload. And so I may be going up in weight during that six weeks. Sometimes it's about staying at the same weight and hitting more reps. Sometimes it's about changing my tempo. So slower movement or pulsing. In terms of, like, whether it's better to do full body or lower Upper. It really depends on what you're doing of that ABC Day 1 of the C days, like, focus more on the booty, because I'm trying to grow a bigger Bodie. And so that's when that lower body becomes, like, ideal for me based on what my focus is.

[Noah Michaelson]

But you think that. I don't even know if this is a real term, but, like, muscle confusion, like, changing up the workout, changing up the tempo, changing up the weights, that's more important than anything else.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Basically, it's important whether it's important, more important than anything else. Again, it depends on what the goal is. But if you are doing more of a split training where you're doing upper body one day and lower body one day. If I'm working on a Monday and I'm also working out on Tuesday, I can go insane on my upper body on Monday if I know that I'm gonna let my upper body rest on Tuesday and focus on lower. So it depends on who you are and what the goals are at that moment, that season of your life.

[Noah Michaelson]

Okay.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Ok. And I want to go back to lifting weights, especially, like, heavier weights. I think a lot of people, and this is gendered, too, are intimidated by heavier weights. I personally think when I lift heavier weights, I feel stronger emotionally because I'm like. And I, like, see my traps and everything. It's wonderful. But how do I'm still working on that fear? Because in the gym, it's filled with these, like, beefy dudes, and I'm, like, kind of intimidated. And again, different demographics, older people. I'm trying to get my parents to lift weights. They're a little intimidated. How do we get over that intimidation of heavier weights?

[Tunde Oyunane]

You just start, and you have to trust the process. I feel like we're in 2026 and we're having the same conversation that we've had for the last 30 years.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Because stuff hasn't changed much. I don't. Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

But I think that, like, from an outsider, like, if I didn't. If I was not in the fitness world and I just followed people on Instagram, I feel like I. The proof is in the pudding. You see enough women online who aren't bulky. Cause I think that's the fear, right? Bulking up that lift and lift heavy. Like, you know, you'd have to take a lot of supplements and a lot of outside things to build muscle in the way that a man who produces much more testosterone is going to build. Right. And so, yeah, I think there's just so many myths associated around women and Lifting some of the most beautiful female bodies I've ever seen in my life in the world. They lift and they lift heavy. Yeah, it depends on like what you're, what you're looking for aesthetically, like what your goals are. But so much of that is also what you're eating in the kitchen as well.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

So, so much I hate, I hate like six packs were made in the kitchen, not the gym, but everything. Freaking kitchen is so important too.

[Tunde Oyunane]

It's a, it's a. It's the truth. I do not have a six pack year round at all. And when the muscles do show more in my center region, it is because I am absolutely being conscious and mindful and I probably want them for something, whether it's like Sports Illustrated or like something else big is coming up in my life and I'm like, I feel like being 5 and 40, like whatever it is. Otherwise my body just like based on the calories that I need to intake to stay alive, based on how much I work out for me, it's just not, not feasible for me year round.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

That's fair and super important. Should. Someone should show us what to do. Right. Because I feel like I could easily injure myself if I see a big weight and get too excited. Like, is it just the Instagram that you're on for, for getting guidance or like, do you think it's important to get someone to show you what to do?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're have the means to have like that one on one person to kind of like show you the ropes, I think it's great. You know, obviously being a peloton instructor, I'm not able to literally be in someone's home.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Which is why we offer beginner classes. So you can kind of, you know, get your feel for it. In which case I always recommend, yeah, start super light. Don't. If you're just jumping into fitness, even if you train for 10 years, but you haven't trained for the last 20, like, be smart about it. Kind of like leave the ego aside and start light or with no weight at all until you feel comfortable and then move up heavier in weight for sure.

[Noah Michaelson]

But that's why it's great that there are things like peloton or just a. I mean, AI could be useful here too. Or YouTuber. Like you can see people now doing everything with just a click of your mouse. You know what I mean? So I think it's a good idea.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I love Start Light too. My partner taught me something about ego lifting that Sometimes men do at the gym when they do a little too much and he's like, injury happens.

[Noah Michaelson]

And I'm like, oh God.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

God. What are the indication, what, what are the indications that we had a great workout, right? Like, should I be dripping in sweat? Should I be. I love when I'm sore the next day. Cuz that means like I didn't plateau, like I did something new, whatever is that. What are the tell me about what mean. What indicates I had a good.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah, we all love like that, that post workout sore, right? There's a difference between like good sore and then sore. Like immobile. I haven't moved in the last week, right. And I now have no desire to ever do it again. But yeah, a good store is good. A good sweat is good. Some sweat more than others, totally normal. A good indication that you want to work out is that the workout was good. It was challenging, you didn't breeze through it. There were moments of shake. I love when a little thought pops in that says, why are you doing this? But then I love finishing on the. I am so happy I did that. And so there's a range of emotion for me. That's how I know that I got in a solid workout. But there's also a desire to want to do it again when I, when I know when I've pushed too hard, right? I think that it's good to push hard. I think a lot of people take their hard days too easy and they take their easy days too hard. Like within the, like, let's say that you're in the gym three to five days a week or you work out three to five days a week, there should be an easy day or two within that and then there should be hard days. That means on your easy days, like, listen to your body, like, let it be a comfortable workout that you enjoy. And then on your hard days, if I catch you on that phone, babe, this isn't a hard day. The hard day, just like you said, Noah, when you walked in, I cussed you out yesterday on hard day. You should.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah, right.

[Tunde Oyunane]

And so it's just having a mix of like, maybe it's hiit training, maybe some lower impact training, like Pilates mixed with like a hit run or hit on the, on the bike, like whatever it is, mixing up your workout.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I have to tell you that the shake that you mentioned, I never thought about it, but I'll hit that in Pilates sometimes. And it's so rewarding because I will almost break down in tears because I'm like, look how you showed up for yourself, like, the shake is scary because you're just like, oh, this is actually really hard. This feels new. It doesn't hurt, but it's uncomfortable. And when I'm done, I'm like, I didn't get up off that reformer and walk away. I showed up for myself.

[Tunde Oyunane]

That is.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

That's like a whole other thing about

[Tunde Oyunane]

working post workout high.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

I find too, like, sometimes I will do a class with you and I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to do a lighter class where I'm using lighter weights. By halfway through the class, I have my heavy weights out because I'm just like, I feel like you said too, if you can do it for 10 minutes, you're probably going to keep going. Same thing, too. I'm like, she's saying to use the heavy weights. I can do it. You know, so much of working out is also a mental game.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It's a narrative.

[Noah Michaelson]

The narrative you hold about yourself.

[Tunde Oyunane]

I always say your mind is your strongest muscle.

[Noah Michaelson]

Absolutely.

[Tunde Oyunane]

You tell yourself you can, you can. And if you tell yourself, I won't. I cannot. You won't.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Right. And so just be so mindful of the words that you're saying to yourself, like, specifically during a workout. But I take that same belief to life. Yeah, to life.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

If we are super sore from working out, should we work out through that soreness? Should we wait till it's gone? What are your thoughts about that?

[Tunde Oyunane]

How about I'll beat you there after your workout? Foam roll.

[Noah Michaelson]

Okay.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Okay. Doesn't mean that you're going to not be sore at all the next day, but it will help to alleviate some of soreness, hydrate, fuel your body, eating protein after your workout. And I will say this, like, there's so much buzz. Everything. Every season there's like a different buzz. Like, do this. This season is protein. Protein, protein, protein, protein.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yes. Eat protein. But, babe, eat fiber. Eat fiber.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Eat fat.

[Tunde Oyunane]

We just had no vegetables on that steak or whatever it is. The cottage cheese. Like, I love it. And eat some vegetables, Pick up some fruit. Fiber.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Is that it, girl?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah. Fiber is the it girl. And she's like, somehow like the child that nobody talks about anymore.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It's because she's associated with poop, like I'm telling you. And they need to rebrand fiber. They.

[Tunde Oyunane]

They.

[Noah Michaelson]

The God.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Listen, that kind of goes back to, like, what a good work, good challenge was and a bad challenge was if you were. You listen to your body.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

If you are so sore that you Know that you should not be moving. Maybe don't do a lot. Right. But nine times out of ten, if you're super, super sore and then you're super, like, sedentary, the next day, you're only going to be even more sore on the third day. So maybe that just means, like, little yoga. Yeah. Changing your workout. Maybe doing a little yoga or just getting a little walk in.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Moving some of that lactic acid around.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

I actually read that. Yeah. That a light workout actually can help with soreness.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Right.

[Noah Michaelson]

And like, like you said, you don't want to do nothing. Like, so do some stre. Do yoga. That's a great idea.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

What other kind of missteps do you see people make when they're working out? I know a lot of people skip leg day and we, you know, call it the jail body or whatever. It's like all up here. People will skip certain body parts because they don't enjoy working out, which is

[Tunde Oyunane]

probably the one that you need to work the most.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

You know, I read a study that came out not too long ago about how leg strength is linked to lower risk of dementia and other, you know, so these are important things for when we are aging, like leg strength and muscles. So specific.

[Noah Michaelson]

Such big muscles down there.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It makes sense.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Tell us about the mistakes you see.

[Tunde Oyunane]

I mean, I'll call myself out. Like lateral movement. I don't like moving laterally. We walk up and back. We don't move side to side. So when you're doing like a lateral lunge, for example, it's like, oh, I hate this because you don't do it right. That's me. Things that I see people do wrong. Not getting enough strength. Strength training in. That's my answer.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Not getting enough strength training in and becoming, you know, just this cardio. Cardio. Cardio person. Specifically women. Not strength training. Yeah. Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

What are some of the biggest things that have changed for you from when you started working out, whenever that was, you know, 20 years ago to now?

[Tunde Oyunane]

Confidence.

[Noah Michaelson]

Confidence.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Confidence. Like, if I'm about to sit here and deadlift £300, tell me there's something else. I can't do that, you know, Tell me. Right. And so, yeah, you just. To feel powerful in your body is really great. And then to even just, like, look at the transformation that my shell, my outer, my body. Like, not even just like the transformation that's happened for me mentally, but to see what I have done. Like, I created this.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

I look at areas of other areas of my life and I'M like what I can do that requires 20 minutes of my intention attention. This was dedicating 25 years of my life. Right. And so there's just a confidence and and to feel so empowered by my from myself is great. I often say this. I started this journey because I wanted to lose weight and I did. I lost 70 pounds. What I gained was heavier. What I gained from this experience surpasses all that I that I lost. I gained a sense of confidence. I gained a knowing that I can do really hard things. I know now that I can set my mind out to do something and I could achieve it. And I've met some of the people that I love the most on this planet. I've met them through wellness. And so I'm 40 years old. I woke up on my 40th birthday and realized that I won't live into eternity but I want to be here as long as I can and more. So just like living to a certain number, I want my body to be well like God willing I want my body to be able to get up and move with ease and run if I choose to for as long as I can. And I know that that will only come from what I am putting in today, right now. Not matter of waiting 10 years or 20 years from now to start but being really conscious of the way that I move my body now and show it for myself.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah. Do you have any other like final tips? Like the one thing you would say as a takeaway for people listening who are like I'm either in the middle of a workout journey or I want to start a workout journey today.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah, just start. Just start. I go Back to the 10 minute rule, move for 10 minutes. Commit to 10 minutes. Anybody? Everybody, we all have 10 minutes. Find 10 minutes. Give yourself 10 minutes. You know life is busy and the world is chaotic and I move because when I'm selfish with my time, selfish isn't a bad thing. When I'm selfish, when I'm self full is what I usually say. When I am self full with my time and I choose myself first, I am better, better for everybody on my to do list. I will call you back. I will get on the zoom meeting, I will email you, I'll help you move, whatever, right? No, but I have to do this for me.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah. You can't pour from an empty vessel.

[Tunde Oyunane]

So yeah, fill it up. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Give yourself 10 minutes to fill it up.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah. It's never too late to start.

[Tunde Oyunane]

It's never. Just start, start again and do it for You.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yeah, we're in that weird time now. It's like the middle of February when we're taping this, and I think a lot of people are maybe falling off of their New Year's resolutions. And it's like, you can start them again in March. Like, you can start them again tomorrow.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I think my New Year's always fall for some reason, that back to school energy and that beautiful, crisp air makes me like.

[Tunde Oyunane]

But.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

And I love to work out, but there's always a restart button for me where I'm like, raj, I'm gonna start something new or I'm gonna recommit to something.

[Noah Michaelson]

And you can hit that button a million times. You don't only get to hit it once, you know, which I think people forget.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Focuses are good for me. Like, whether it's like, oh, this event is coming up, or this birthday or this trip, like, if I have a. If I have an. If I can keep my eye on a prize, that usually works for me, but at the end of the day, I'm still doing it for me. I can say, like, sometimes people do it for their partners. And then the second you break up, if that is no longer the goal, then you, like, revert.

[Noah Michaelson]

Right.

[Tunde Oyunane]

So you got to do it for you.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

And not for somebody else. You gotta want it.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Yeah.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

That's beautiful.

[Noah Michaelson]

That is a great way to end. Tunde, thank you so much for being here. This was amazing.

[Tunde Oyunane]

Thank you. I appreciate y' all so much fun. Now I'm gonna go work out. I got three classes to teach.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I'm fired up.

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[Noah Michaelson]

Okay, it's time for Better in Five. These are our top five takeaways from this episode.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

All right, number one, preparing for a good workout should start a couple of days before you're actually working out. Hydrate, sleep, and eat what fuels you.

[Noah Michaelson]

Number two, don't feel like working out. Tunde's 10 minute rule might be the answer. Just give it 10 minutes and chances are you're gonna want to keep going.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Number three, if you're not doing any strength training, pick up a weight. It's good for your body, mind and longevity.

[Noah Michaelson]

Number four, a good way to keep working out once you've started is finding an accountability partner. Whether that's someone who goes with you to the gym or even a digital version like Tunde.

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I love that.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

And number five, a lot of this boils down to asking yourself, what do I want? Why do I want it, and who am I doing it for? And hopefully it's you, because you're worth it.

[Noah Michaelson]

Okay, Raj, it's that time. Have you been working out wrong?

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

So in the beginning of the episode, I said that I'm having a little trouble with consistency. And I think I figured out how I'm gonna be better at that because I just got just simply by sitting with Tunde and seeing the joy she has from having a consistent workout schedule. I want more of that. So I'm not gonna work out, you know, several times a day like she is. I mean, who knows? God willing, let's see. No, but I know certainly not. I would like to stay employed. But honestly, I feel motivated to make it more a part of my life. And it's cause of that 10 minute thing. On a day I don't feel like working out, I'm gonna still do a little bit. I think that's important to me. I want, you know, I want longevity of sound mental health and I want to feel strong.

[Noah Michaelson]

So sometimes too, when I don't feel like working out, then I just get off the subway three stops early and I do an extra long walk. Like I don't think it has to be all or nothing.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

I also love that Tunde said that she doesn't like working out.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I know.

[Noah Michaelson]

Or that at least every single time she's confronted by it and has to do it, she's like, no.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

So much permission to be human.

[Noah Michaelson]

Yes. Because if she doesn't love it, like, like, you know, I just thought, thank you for saying that.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I love it.

[Noah Michaelson]

I don't feel like I've been doing it wrong, but I do. I did. Just any chance I have to be in the same room as that woman.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Yeah.

[Noah Michaelson]

Breathe the oxygen that she's breathing. I'm gonna do it because she's so inspirational.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

I know. And I love that for you and

[Noah Michaelson]

yeah, this was a fun one for me.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

It really was.

[Noah Michaelson]

Anyway, until next time, as long as there are things to get wrong, we're gonna be right here to help you do better.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Love y'. All. Am I doing it Wrong Is a co production between HuffPost and Acast.

[Noah Michaelson]

Our producers are Eve Bishop, Carmen Borca Carillo and Malia Agudelo.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Our executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rutter.

[Noah Michaelson]

Special thanks to HuffPost's head of audience,

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

Abby Williams, Head of video, Will Took,

[Noah Michaelson]

as well as Kate Palmer, Marta Rodriguez and Terry d'. Angelo.

[Raj Panjabi Johnson]

And we're your hosts, Raj Panjabi Johnson and Noah Michelson.

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