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Anthropic’s top safety researcher just quit.

In a public letter, Mrinank Sharma (who led safeguards research at Anthropic) warned that “the world is in peril.” Meanwhile, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei went on The New York Times podcast and said something even more unsettling: “We don’t know if the models are conscious.” In this episode, we unpack both.

Is AGI a ticking time bomb — or a high-risk surgery we can’t afford not to attempt? Are safety teams losing ground to competitive pressure? And what does it mean when the leader of a frontier lab publicly admits we may not understand what we’re building?

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