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See mintmobile.com foreign and welcome to the Amanpour Hour. Here's where we're headed this week. Your countries are going to hell. Broadsides and bitterness from President Donald Trump as the UN General assembly celebrates its 80th year. I speak with two of the main targets, Spain and Brazil. Also ahead, the actress and the activist. Legendary Hollywood star Jane Fonda joins us along with human rights defender Mela Chiponda on their new climate fund and Fonda's recollections of Robert Redford.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
The morning I heard, I just cried all morning. I couldn't believe it. He was such a presence then.
Christiane Amanpour
Croque de tesos varios alo mejor says the Mexican cab drivers fighting back against the country's deadly misogyny. We have a special report. Plus from my archive, a haunting echo of today from Bosnia, where leaders try to spin their own new reality with a litany of lies. And finally, St. Patrick's Cathedral here in New York unveils its first ever mural. Why it's using its walls to honour migrants. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in New York, where world leaders came together this week for the United nations annual summit. And what a week it was. President Trump started off by delivering a predictable but still astonishing tirade against the world body and American allies. What is the purpose of the United Nations? The UN has such tremendous potential, I've always said. Has such tremendous, tremendous potential, but it's not even coming close to living up to that potential. It's time to end the failed experiment of open borders. You have to end it now. See, I can tell you I'm really good at this stuff. Your countries are going to hell. Climate change because if it goes higher or lower, whatever the hell happens, there's climate change. It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world, in my opinion. Well, this comes at one of the most turbulent times in the UN's 80 year history. It was a kind of global carnage view from the president mirroring the American carnage of his first inaugural address. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has been a rare ally, standing up for his own national security and interests and against some of Trump's demands on immigration, climate, Gaza and NATO. I asked him how his country was managing and why it was ahead of most of Europe when it came to recognizing a Palestinian state. So here with a perspective that you rarely hear in the United States, is the Spanish prime minister. Prime Minister Sanchez, welcome to the program. Can I just ask you, in terms of pragmatic steps as a world leader, how do you see this going? President Macron said it's part of a phased, hopefully, you know, path to a two state solution. What are the first steps?
Pedro Sanchez
So the first step, in my view, should be to have a peace international conference where we settle the conditions for this Palestinian statehood, also the recognition by some Arab countries of the State of Israel, and see whether we can find the way for a coexistence, a peaceful and security coexistence between Palestine and Israel and of course, the Middle East. You know, in my view, the biggest mistake that the Israeli government is committing is how, how to fight against terrorism. Of course, there's a security dimension of fighting against terrorism, but there are the two. First one, when you fight against terrorism, you have to do it within the legal framework. And this is not happening when it comes to Israel and what we are witnessing in Gaza and also in the West Bank. And last but not least, a political solution, politics, diplomacy. And that is why I think it's so important what happened last Monday when large majority of countries and also two permanent members of the Security Council, France and the UK recognize, because now it's.
Christiane Amanpour
Four members of four permanent members. Only the US Doesn't. You talked about terrorism, so I assume you've seen an op ed and a column in the New York Times by Benny Gantz, former top politician in Israel. He said he spoke to you early in the war and he said you downplayed the danger Israel faced, saying Spain also faced terrorism. He says there's no symmetry between the threats both of your countries face. I covered the 2004 terrorist attack on Spain and others in Europe. So I want to know what your view on that criticism is.
Pedro Sanchez
But not only the jihadist terrorism. We suffered the BAS terrorism, ETA in Spain for 40 years. So we know quite well what, what does mean to fight against terrorism. I think the big mistake is to call it war against terrorism because it's more complex than a war of Course, as I said before, there's a security dimension of fighting against terrorism, but there's the political one. The thing here is how do we marginalize Hamas support within the Palestine society? And this is not happening today because there's only bombing from the Israeli government and without any kind of political dialogue with the moderates within the Palestine society, which by the way, exists. And they, you know, just, just remember what President Habas Abbas said before the General Assembly. He was directly speaking to the Israeli people, saying, we want peace, we want a peaceful coexistence and we will guarantee also the security of Israel.
Christiane Amanpour
Let me move on to your reaction. You were in the chamber when President Trump spoke on day one of this leaders summit. He essentially took on immigration and climate change. And he called you, said, your nations are going to hell, those who bring in immigrants.
Pedro Sanchez
This is not the case of Spain. So I mean, I think it's well known that we have different views when it comes to climate change and migration. First of all, on migration, we are definitely, make no mistake with that. You know, we are definitely against smugglers and we're combating and fighting against irregular migration. But during the last seven years in Spain, we received 2 million migrants. And at the same time, we have reduced the unemployment rate by 40%. And we are now growing. Last year 3.5%, this year 2.7%. So we are representing more or less 30% of the total economic growth of the European Union. And this is also, thank you. Of this contribution of regular migration to the economic situation of Spain. And when it comes to the ecological transition, the green transition, the Spanish experience shows that when you, when you have more renewable sources in your enemy energy mix, you are capable to drop the electricity prices. In the case of Spain, since 2017, we have dropped the electricity prices by 50%.
Christiane Amanpour
50%.
Pedro Sanchez
5, 0.
Christiane Amanpour
Very quickly. You have also stood up against President Trump's demands for 5% of GDP for NATO. Why?
Pedro Sanchez
Because when we speak about alliance, it is important first of all to define what are the common threats that we face within NATO. And clearly we have one, which is Russia. It's neo imperialism, let's say a policy of Putin. And second, tell the allies what are the capabilities that you need to put in place in order to face those, you know, common challenges. So this is not a question of figures, it is a question of capabilities.
Christiane Amanpour
I want to go back to your position on Israel and Gaza and how, what the solution is. Israeli media is reporting that on Prime Minister Netanyahu's journey here to New York today, his flight has avoided European airspace, including Spain's. Did you know this? What's your reaction?
Pedro Sanchez
I didn't know that. But I mean, let's, let's, let's say because I met Prime Minister Netanyahu two.
Christiane Amanpour
Months.
Pedro Sanchez
After, two months later of this, of these horrible and terrible terrorist attacks perpetrated by Hamas, I visited some kibos. I was with people. And I can tell you, you know, the Spanish society, the Spanish government and focus myself, we are committed with Israel. We want the best future for Israel. But what Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing is the opposite, is creating more unstable Middle east political situation. And this is something that of course, geopolitically affects Spain and the southern flank of Europe. So that is why I'm asking Europeans to be more engaged and committed with the situation as well as we do when it comes to Ukraine.
Christiane Amanpour
Prime Minister Sanchez, thank you so much for joining us.
Pedro Sanchez
It's always a pleasure. Thank you very much.
Christiane Amanpour
And coming up later on the show, Brazil's foreign minister tells me why his nation is also standing up to the US on tariffs, climate and unwelcome interference into its domestic affairs. But straight ahead, the fact is that.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Now we're facing two existential crises, climate and democracy.
Christiane Amanpour
Hollywood heroine Jane Fonda talks climate solutions and her new fund as well as Robert Redford alongside eco feminist Mela Chiponda. I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. I'm worried about this generation in Face to Face communication because it's not an easy thing to do. Susan Greenfield is the author behind Mind How Digital Technologies are Leaving their mark on Our brains. We discuss outsourcing our lives to digital devices and how that impacts our human connections. Listen to Chasing Life streaming now, wherever.
Pedro Sanchez
You get your podcasts.
Christiane Amanpour
Welcome back to the program. Now we're joined by one of the longest acts in showbiz, a star who's bagged countless awards including two best actress Oscars and who's tying her name now as ever to the cause of saving the environment, famously getting arrested numerous times while protesting. I'm of course talking about the legendary Jane Fonda. She sat down with me this week alongside Zimbabwe activist Mela Chiponda, the director of the Shine collab, which works with communities to build what they call gender just climate solutions. We discussed the Jane Fonda Gender and Climate Justice Fund for Women. And I asked Fonda about her late friend and four time co star Robert Redford, why she couldn't stop crying at his death. Jane Fonda, Mela Chiponda, welcome to our program. Great to talk to you Actually about the climate, because we're in New York at Unger and President Trump has delivered a broad against climate. Your reaction to that, first and foremost?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Well, we just have to talk to him. He just needs some education. He doesn't understand. And so we will talk to him.
Christiane Amanpour
Will you?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
I'll try. I've been trying for since 2017 to talk to him about it. He just needs some education.
Christiane Amanpour
So since 2017 you say, was that the period when you were in every Friday protest, get arrested?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
No, that was two years later. That was 2019.
Christiane Amanpour
All right. Are you still doing that?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
No. Here's why. After years on everybody's part of protesting and lobbying and writing and getting arrested and so forth, and we didn't have still the right legislation commensurate with what science is saying, we weren't getting it. And we realized the reason is that so many people elected to office in Washington take money from the fossil fuel industry. And so we thought, well, if you can't change the people, change the people. So we started the Jane Fonda Climate Pack and we elect climate champions all over the country. Pennsylvania, Virginia, Michigan, everywhere. That was very serendipitous that we did that because the fact is that now we're facing two existential crises, climate and democracy. And we can't have a stable climate unless we have a stable democracy. And you can't have a stable democracy unless you have a stable climate. They're interrelated and they have to be solved together.
Christiane Amanpour
So let me ask you, Mela, how do you react to that? The climate crisis is not just one issue. It is connected to gender, to gender, to the gender gap. It is connected to all the other sectors because this crisis is not a single issue thing that we can say. We just fighting climate only. This is why as Shine collab, we're working on the intersection of gender, of climate and energy as well. What do you think Africa can tell us given the fact that they produce 4% only of climate pollution and the Caribbean countries, which are the biggest victims or the low lying island countries, produce almost no pollution? What do you think we should learn and how to harness and work with continents like Africa, which you're doing.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Fifteen years ago at the Ford foundation, we created the Frontline Women's Fund because we know that it's women that harvest the food, that plant the seeds, that fetch the water, that chop the wood, that raise the children, that cook the food they hold. They're the glue that hold communities together. And so we realized now that what we have to do is if we're going to confront the climate crisis successfully, we have to send resources directly to women. Today we launched the Jane Fonda Gender and Climate Justice Fund in order to try to mitigate the climate effects for women on the ground and to including.
Christiane Amanpour
In the United States. This is all Global South. This is all Global South.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
The first cohort today, it was Ecuador. Indigenous people in Ecuador. It was Zimbabwe and Nigeria, Senegal.
Christiane Amanpour
And one more Indonesia.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
And Indonesia.
Christiane Amanpour
I got this. So look, you know, you have always been an activist. You've always been passionate. How do you feel about working with Jane and having Jane's heft, you know, match your mission? This is what we need. We need more Jane Fonders of the world. We need more frontline women's defenders. We need such organizations because the climate crisis is not a crisis that can be done by just women in Africa or women in the global majority. This is a crisis that is global in nature. And therefore, this is the time for all people who care for people in the planet to come together and say, we have to do something. Can I take a hard left or right right now?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Hope it's left.
Christiane Amanpour
Robert Redford, a co star of yours. So close for four reasons. Tell me about it. I had the opportunity and the privilege of interviewing him several times.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Oh, I loved him. You know, the first movie that we. No, the second movie we did together was Barefoot in the Park. He had just purchased the Valley in Utah. So excited talking about what he was going to do with it and, you know, and all that. He had a vision. He changed movie making. He's made a huge difference and there's a great hole in my heart along with a lot of other men and women. He was loved and respected.
Christiane Amanpour
You said when you posted, I think you couldn't stop crying.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Oh, God. The morning I heard, I just cried all morning. I couldn't believe it. He was such a presence. I was always in love with him.
Christiane Amanpour
Did you have a favorite movie that you played with him?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Well, I think.
Christiane Amanpour
What were the four? There's Barefoot in the.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
There was the Chase. First the Chase and then Barefoot in the park and then Electric Horseman and Our Souls at Night. And my favorite is Barefoot in the Park. Yeah.
Christiane Amanpour
And you, I don't know how old you are, but you are.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
I'm almost 88.
Christiane Amanpour
Okay, that's remarkable. And you are active as anything. How is it getting roles?
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
I'm scared to death. I shouldn't say this, I know, but I made three movies in one year and then I haven't worked since then. And I want to work and I need to work. I miss the craft. It's a noble profession that we're in, getting into the skin of another human being. That's why we tend to be very empathic actors do.
Christiane Amanpour
Jane Fonda, Mila Chiponda, thank you both very much indeed. Fonda, of course, is still among the most talented actresses of around. Coming up, Mexico City's female cab drivers fighting violence through community. A special report on the taxi company by Women for women. Welcome back. In Mexico, the scourge of violence against women is felt almost everywhere. It's estimated more than 70% of women and girls over 15 have experienced some form of attack. Inside the home and in public, women are at risk. A string of murders and assaults of female taxi drivers and passengers has outraged the nation. But one group of women is fighting back. And a warning. This report from Mexico City contains some images and stories that are distressing.
Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Amin.
Christiane Amanpour
Says telomeres women fighting back, looking out for each other and making change, which is an inspiration to all of us. Coming up after the break, Trump and Lula face off at the UN as the Brazilian leader fends off interference from America. And Trump says, let's meet and make up my conversation with Brazil's foreign minister.
Mauro Vieira
President Trump, of course, is a very busy man being president of the United States, and he may not be well informed. I don't know where he gets his information about the political scene in Brazil.
Christiane Amanpour
Welcome back. It's been a busy and dramatic United Nations General assembly this week, and tradition dictates that Brazil makes the first speech right before the United States, meaning Presidents Lula and Trump couldn't avoid each other, just as the two are at loggerheads over the 50% tariffs Trump has imposed following the prosecution of his staunch ally and former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro. He's been sentenced to 27 years in prison for plotting a coup against Lula's election. Well, Brazil's current president clearly laid down the law and stood up for his nation's bedrock principles.
Mauro Vieira
Brazil sent a message to all aspiring autocrats and those who support them. Our democracy, our sovereignty, or non negotiable.
Christiane Amanpour
Afterwards, I asked Brazil's foreign minister, Mauro Vieira, how their country dares stand up for itself in the current climate. Welcome to the program.
Mauro Vieira
Thank you so much.
Christiane Amanpour
Do I dare ask you on a public forum how you respond to President Trump's speech in general and his specific attacks on Brazil, saying that you're going to fail without without him?
Mauro Vieira
Well, Brazil is a country of negotiation and very open. We are Always ready to talk and to negotiate. The political issue is in negotiable. There's no space at all, not even one inch to negotiate. But we are ready to negotiate. The taxes, the tariffs that we can do, although they are illegal, they are not in the structure. Yeah. Knowing the, in the structure of wto, of all the trade agreements that we have. But we are ready to talk and to discuss the only things that we cannot discuss, the sovereignty or the independence of powers in Brazil, as President Doula said in his speech.
Christiane Amanpour
Can you just give me the facts about the trade deficit? Because Trump says that the US Has a trade deficit, and that's one of the reasons why he's slapping those tariffs on. But I think it's the reverse.
Mauro Vieira
No, it's. He's not well informed. Maybe his advisory didn't pass on to him the right numbers. But Brazil has a huge deficit. And, and it's with the U.S. with the U.S. yes. We have, over the, the last 15 years, we have more than $410 billion of deficit with United States states, it's something around $20 billion every year. And our tariffs, the average tariffs of Brazil to imports from the United States is 2.7%, which is very low. The 10 most important issues we import for the products we import from the United states, out of 10, eight enter Brazil tax free.
Christiane Amanpour
Do you think the president is still trying to affect what's happening to Bolsonaro, I mean, President Trump, because even now that he's been convicted of attempting a coup against Lula's election, you see, your legislator is talking about amnesty. So tell us where all this stands.
Mauro Vieira
Yeah, well, first of all, President Trump, of course, is a very busy man being President of the United States, and he may not be well informed. I don't know where he gets his information about the political scene in Brazil. I don't know has met personally the sons of the former president or how these informations get to him, but they are distorted on the way he receives it. The trial was very long. There are hundreds of thousands of proofs against Bolsonaro and the generals and people who worked with him. They were all convicted. The first time in history in Brazil that a former president is trialed and condemned because he tried to destroy Brazilian democracy. There is a huge. There was huge manifestation, popular manifestation in the streets the last days against the amnesty they are discussing. But if they approve a very ample amnesty, it will be unconstitutional and it won't be a plight.
Christiane Amanpour
Now, let me ask you another big international forum that you're going to Be hosting in a couple of months is the cop. It's happening in, I believe Belem in the Amazon region. President Trump said renewables are rubbish. Essentially. He said that they don't work, that fossil fuel is the best. And countries do you find your use of renewables in are net positive or net drag on your economy?
Mauro Vieira
Well, this is his opinion. We have a total different opinion. Brazil is a champion of energy and clean energy and energy transition. Electrical matrix in Brazil is 92% renewable. And as far as energy, it's something like 50 or 52. We believe in renewables and we believe and we are fighting for energy transition. This is a contribution. This will save the planet. That's our position. Of course, he has a different one, but this is up to him.
Christiane Amanpour
And finally, the United. I know Brazil recognized a Palestinian state officially, I think in 2010. Tell me why you think it's important, what it will do and why, and whether you think it is a reward for Hamas and terrorism.
Mauro Vieira
No, it's not. From our point of view, it's not a reward for Hamas. We condemned Hamas for his terrorist attack. That was terrible. We strongly condemn till today. But this does not justify the vengeance against the Palestinian people. The other day there was a force, former high official from the idf, the Israeli Defense Force, who said that the number of deaths is something like 10% of the population of Gaza. So this is 200,000 people. And so far the numbers we are working with is 60 or 70,000. So it's very serious. And that's why President Lula has been saying that it it's a genocide. And that's why we joined South Africa in the International Court of Justice in this question and this discussion about genocide. For us, it's a genocide. You cannot use hunger as a weapon of war. You cannot do what's going on in Gaza.
Christiane Amanpour
Thank you, Foreign Minister Mauro Vieira for joining us.
Mauro Vieira
Thank you so much. A pleasure to be with you again.
Christiane Amanpour
And coming up next, a painful reflection on conflicts around the world today. From my archives, how Serbian forces tried to subvert reality, saying Sarajevo wasn't under siege despite clear evidence to the contrary. Throughout the 90s, time spent in Bosnia can be like entering the twilight zone, where everyone's reality comes made to measure. Welcome back. The war in Ukraine and sieges in Gaza and Sudan are horrors that cannot be ignored. But in a world where reality is is twisted beyond recognition, such conflicts are often clouded and justified by those who create narratives that fit their most fervent wishes and beliefs and tell us not to believe Our own eyes. From my archive history becomes a mirror to this moment in bosnia. During the 90s, the war seemed to drift into a similar twilight zone as Serbian forces insisted they were not laying siege to Sarajevo, despite all the evidence to the contrary. UN reinforcements moving into their Sarajevo barracks are on alert a day after incoming fire crashed within a few hundred yards of their positions. In Washington, the politicians are discussing whether and when to call in air power to defend the peacekeepers. And walking through his positions on the hills overlooking Sarajevo, the chief of staff of the Bosnian Serb army hears NATO planes overhead enforcing the no fly zone. I hate them. Why? Because they are in my space. Time spent in Bosnia can be like entering the twilight zone, where everyone's reality comes made to measure no s a protected area.
Pedro Sanchez
And we don't touch protected zones.
Christiane Amanpour
Yet just the day before, shells crashed all over civilian areas. In Sarajevo, you only see when the shelling of Sarajevo and the first thing you do, you accuse the Serbs of being guilty. I guarantee you that we are not shelling. SAREVA the UN hears denials like these from all parties.
Mauro Vieira
Welcome.
Christiane Amanpour
I mean, this is the madness.
Mauro Vieira
We're all facing broken promises, distrust on all sides.
Christiane Amanpour
On a guided tour accompanied by two Serb generals and assorted advisors, CNN was shown Serb artillery positions, a row of howitzers silent on this day with negotiations underway in Geneva and large caliber mortars that sat quietly under their covers to hear it from the Serbs, not a shell has been fired in anger. As far as the Serbs are concerned, we were never in favor of war.
Pedro Sanchez
The war was imposed on us.
Christiane Amanpour
We were male, merely defending ourselves. And so we were driven to burn down Serb villages and we were told, Muslim houses spared by the Serb liberators. The houses who are intact with roofs on the Muslim houses. And as we left, we were told Sarajevo is not under siege. CRISTIAN Amanpour, CNN in Serb held territory outside Sarajevo. Looking back, perhaps the most shocking thing about this report is how much we were able to see for ourselves. We were able to enter and report freely. How different from today's Gaza, which the Israeli government does ban us from entering. When we come back, a brand new look for America's largest Catholic cathedral. We'll take you to New York to see the mural that's turning heads and celebrating immigrants. And finally, if wars could talk, the ones inside St. Patrick's Cathedral would tell a story of faith, belonging and immigration. Known as America's Parish, it's the largest Roman Catholic cathedral in the United States. And it's now home to a brand new mural so celebrating humanity and the waves of newcomers who filled the ranks of New York's patron saints, first responders, poets, farmers and all the rest. Over 20ft tall and spanning three walls at the entrance to the cathedral, the painting takes its name from a song by the band Brinsley Schwartz that was also covered by Elvis Costello. What's so funny about peace, love and understanding? Adam Svionovich is the mind behind this masterpiece. When we spoke, he told me about the symbolism behind the MUR and why it's most definitely not political.
Pedro Sanchez
This is not a political painting. And whatever my politics are about immigration are not in that painting except in that. And this is a place where the church and I were kind of in alignment. It's a painting about showing the dignity of all people.
Christiane Amanpour
And I think that becomes political only.
Mauro Vieira
In that the dehumanification of people is.
Pedro Sanchez
The first step towards a whole lot of very, very bad things. And as long as you understand the basic humanity of somebody who is other, the whole dialogue winds up being in a much better place. So it has political implications, but it.
Christiane Amanpour
Itself is not political. And urge everybody to visit. It is magnificent. That's all we have time for right now. Don't forget, you can find all of our shows online as podcasts as well CNN.com audio and on all other major platforms. I'm Christiana Monpour in New York. Thank you for watching and I'll see you again next week.
Pedro Sanchez
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This week on the podcast Terms of Service, special guest Dr. Sanjay Gupta, we're going to talk about how and why.
Pedro Sanchez
Medical misinformation spreads online and how people.
Christiane Amanpour
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Jane Fonda / Mela Chiponda
Nowadays, it seems like the currency is to clickbait.
Christiane Amanpour
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Pedro Sanchez
True has become very, very normal. Listen to CNN's terms of service with me, Claire Duffy.
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Episode Title: Standing up to Trump at the UN, Palestinian statehood & Jane Fonda on the climate crisis
Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Christiane Amanpour
This episode, recorded during the United Nations General Assembly’s 80th year, covers pressing issues of global leadership amid volatile international dynamics. We hear from Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez and Brazil’s Foreign Minister Mauro Vieira as they respond to Donald Trump’s combative speeches at the UN, addressing topics from immigration to the Israel-Gaza conflict and international trade. Hollywood legend Jane Fonda appears alongside ecofeminist Mela Chiponda, discussing activism, climate solutions, and Fonda’s memories of Robert Redford. Other segments include a ground report on women’s safety in Mexico and a deep dive into the politics of public memory and truth through a look at the Bosnian conflict and a New York cathedral's new mural on migration and dignity.
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The podcast maintains a serious, unflinching tone typical for Amanpour’s brand, with moments of warmth and humor in the Fonda/Chiponda section, and measured but sharp critiques from the political leaders. The language is clear and informative, and direct quotes preserve the speakers’ voices.
For listeners seeking a thorough, compelling briefing on the world stage at this tumultuous moment—through the eyes of leaders, activists, and artists—this episode is an essential listen.