Amanpour (CNN Podcasts)
Episode: UN Accuses Israel of Genocide
Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Bianna Golodryga (in for Christiane Amanpour)
Brief Overview
This episode explores the escalating Gaza conflict as the UN releases a landmark report accusing Israel of genocide—a charge Israel forcefully denies. The episode features deep-dives with Israeli journalist Nadav Ayal and regional expert Firas Maqsad, examining the Israeli government’s response, its growing global isolation, hostage dilemmas, and shifting regional politics. Additional coverage includes Sudan’s forgotten humanitarian crisis, analysis of viral violent content post-Charlie Kirk shooting, and a moving tribute to the late Robert Redford.
Episode Structure and Key Segments
- The UN Genocide Accusation & Israel’s Gaza Offensive
- [00:34]–[13:26]
- Diplomacy & Regional Arab Reaction
- [13:28]–[20:13]
- Sudan’s Humanitarian Disaster
- [21:32]–[29:33]
- Viral Violence: The Charlie Kirk Shooting
- [30:08]–[44:46]
- Tribute: Christiane Amanpour’s 2018 Interview with Robert Redford
- [45:25]–[53:32]
1. The UN Genocide Accusation & Israel’s Gaza Offensive
[00:34]–[13:26]
Main Points
- Ground Offensive in Gaza: Israel has begun its most controversial ground offensive yet, leading to over 100 Palestinian deaths in under 24 hours.
- UN Inquiry: For the first time, a UN independent commission accuses Israel of genocide in Gaza—Israel calls the findings “false and fake.”
- Israeli Domestic Division: Dissent is growing between the government and Israel’s military leadership, particularly over the risks to hostages still held by Hamas.
- Hostage Emotions: Public opinion polls consistently show the Israeli public’s top concern is the release of hostages.
- Growing Isolation: Prime Minister Netanyahu publicly acknowledges Israel’s increasing global isolation, a first in tone for his government.
- Political Fallout: Netanyahu’s comments about adapting Israel’s economy towards “autarky”—economic independence—spark market volatility and broad political backlash.
Notable Quotes
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Military Dissent:
“...the IDF in Israel, of course, is under the government...But what they are doing, which is very unusual, is voicing their concerns again, again and again.”
— Nadav Ayal [03:15] -
Hostage Trauma:
“I cannot breathe watching the fighting inside Gaza City. As a former hostage, I know exactly what these moments feel like. The booming blasts, the gunfire, the walls shaking...”
— Quoting rescued hostage Noah Argamani [04:17] -
On Israeli Priorities:
“Say that the return of the hostages is the most important thing. And...this is their first priority.”
— Nadav Ayal [05:11] -
On Global Standing:
“Prime Minister Netanyahu...was blaming China and Qatar for trying to demonstrate this kind of a campaign against Israel. And this report is just another brick in that.”
— Nadav Ayal [08:47] -
Netanyahu’s Isolation Speech (paraphrased):
"We are Athens and Sparta...but we are going to be Athens and super Sparta...need to develop our capabilities to defend ourselves and attack our enemies."
— Netanyahu, quoted by Bianna Golodryga [10:53] -
Political Damage:
“The continuous war in Gaza is causing massive damages to the Israeli position in the world. ...whatever Israel gets in Gaza, it will not equal the type of damages done to its international legitimacy right now.”
— Nadav Ayal [12:36]
2. Diplomacy & Regional Arab Reaction
[13:28]–[20:13]
Main Points
- Qatar’s Mediation: U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio visits Qatar to press for continued mediation in ceasefire talks.
- Fragile Arab Alliances: While Gulf states issue statements condemning Israel, substantive moves (such as breaking off Abraham Accords) are seen as unlikely unless Israel crosses further red lines (e.g., annexing West Bank territory).
- Hostage Talks & Timelines: Regional experts note U.S. pressure for swift resolution, while Netanyahu signals operations could last till year-end or longer.
- Diplomatic Showdown Looming: Upcoming UN General Assembly expected to amplify calls for Palestinian state recognition, with wide Western and Arab support.
Notable Quotes
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On Arab Condemnation:
“The Abrahamic Accord will bend. It will not break, not just yet. However, if Israel does cross the tripwire of annexing West Bank territory, that might be the death knell...”
— Firas Maqsad [15:57] -
Arab View on Hamas:
“There’s no love lost for Hamas in any of these capitals. ...their criticism of Israel...doesn’t mean anything in terms of potential affection for Hamas, far from it.”
— Firas Maqsad [17:03] -
Diplomatic Focus:
“We are leading up to one hell of a diplomatic showdown next week, next Monday in New York...”
— Firas Maqsad [18:09]
3. Sudan’s Humanitarian Disaster
[21:32]–[29:33]
Main Points
- Catastrophic Siege in El Fasher: At least 260,000 are trapped, eating animal feed, as the city faces bombardment and starvation.
- World’s Largest Crisis: Experts call Sudan the world’s largest hunger, displacement, and protection crisis.
- Underreported & Racialized Neglect: Lack of international attention is attributed to racism and global distraction.
- No Good Sides: Both warring factions (Sudan’s Army and RSF) are accused of atrocities and manipulating ethnic divisions. Foreign actors, especially the UAE (allegedly supporting RSF), further fuel conflict.
Notable Quotes
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On Daily Life in El Fasher:
“Tales of desperation and heartbreak...Many people now have been reduced, as you said, to eating animal feed, including malnourished children in the last functioning hospital in the city.”
— Declan Walsh [22:29] -
On Global Indifference:
“There is no good reason other than racism, frankly, at this point, that means that Sudan is not getting the attention it deserves.”
— Khouloud Khair [25:33] -
On Foreign Involvement:
“This is no longer just a fight between two factions. ...Now the interests of foreign countries are involved as well. And they're bringing money, they’re bringing very powerful weapons.”
— Declan Walsh [28:05]
4. Viral Violence: The Charlie Kirk Shooting and Social Media
[30:08]–[44:46]
Main Points
- Rapid Spread of Violent Videos: Video of activist Charlie Kirk’s assassination went viral instantly, demonstrating the near-impossibility of preventing graphic content from auto-playing on major platforms.
- Platform Responses: Platforms like Meta and YouTube have used warnings/age restrictions, but X (formerly Twitter), under Elon Musk, allows widespread unmoderated sharing.
- The Psychology and Politics: Social media’s incentives (engagement and ad revenue), political polarization, and lack of clear gatekeeping mean violent content is weaponized and widely disseminated—often justified by users for political purposes.
- Failures of Content Moderation: Despite public pledges, social media companies invest far more in AI and infrastructure than in trust and safety staff, and collective removal of content is not happening.
- Amplification of Harm: Videos are manipulated for reach, misidentification and online “manhunts” ensue, compounding harm for uninvolved bystanders.
- Executives Step Back: There is an industry-wide retreat from editorial responsibility as platforms downsize trust and safety teams.
Notable Quotes
-
Why Violent Videos Spread:
“People did not get that choice to say, I want to watch this or I don’t want to watch it...you just open up a social media app…and these videos autoplay…”
— Shira Frankel [31:32] -
Social Media Companies’ Responsibility:
“Is it as important to them as developing AI? ...You can pretty quickly come to the conclusion that it's not.”
— Shira Frankel [39:39] -
On the Social Media Business Model:
“They profit from the virality of these images...the metrics that advertisers look for...”
— Hari Sreenivasan [39:00] -
On Platform Accountability Retreat:
“I think in general, you're seeing the chief executives of these tech companies veering away from kind of taking the sorts of responsibility that editors and journalists would have taken...”
— Shira Frankel [44:11]
5. Tribute: Christiane Amanpour’s 2018 Interview with Robert Redford
[45:25]–[53:32]
Main Points
- Redford’s Legacy: Actor, director, and activist, Redford is remembered for work spanning “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,” founding the Sundance Institute, and environmental activism.
- Reflections on Hollywood: Redford shared candid recollections about Hollywood’s dark side, including the pervasiveness of the “casting couch” and the difficulty women faced with age and gender roles.
- Art, Politics, and the Search for Truth: Redford connected his outlaw characters to his own life, addressed the changing truth landscape of American politics, and spoke to generational and cultural divides.
- On the MeToo Movement: He was aware of the abuses, but explained they were so pervasive as to seem the unfortunate status quo.
Notable Quotes
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On Outlaw Characters:
“As I got older and I went into acting, I was drawn to the idea of outlaw characters…”
— Robert Redford [45:53] -
On the American Divide:
“They would cross the aisle to work together to achieve something that would benefit the public. And now…there's a gigantic chasm between two points of view. ...We're the losers. And I think that's gotta change.”
— Robert Redford [48:43] -
On MeToo:
“Yes, I was very much aware of that...I just considered that's what it is. ...The only thing I was interested in was creating an alternative.”
— Robert Redford [49:52] -
On Women Ageing in Hollywood:
"That's one of the downsides of Hollywood...Everyone had to be eternally young...we lost [talented actresses] that could have kept acting."
— Robert Redford [51:31]
Summary Timestamps: Quickly Find Key Segments
- 00:34 — UN Gaza Report & Israel’s Response
- 03:15 — Internal Israeli Dissent
- 04:17 — Hostage Situation & Public Sentiment
- 08:47 — Israel’s Global Isolation
- 10:53 — “Autarky” and Economic Fallout
- 13:28 — Gulf Diplomatic Dynamics (Firas Maqsad)
- 15:57 — Fate of Abraham Accords
- 17:03 — Arab Attitudes Toward Hamas
- 21:32 — Sudan Crisis (Declan Walsh, Khouloud Khair)
- 25:33 — Why the World Looks Away from Sudan
- 28:05 — Foreign Meddling in Sudan
- 30:08 — Viral Spread of Charlie Kirk Shooting
- 31:32 — Platform Design and Autoplay
- 39:39 — Tech Companies’ Priorities
- 44:11 — Social Platforms Evading Responsibility
- 45:25 — Robert Redford: Outlaw Roles, Activism, and MeToo
- 48:43 — Societal Divides in America
- 49:52 — Hollywood’s Endemic Issues
- 51:31 — Women’s Roles and Age in Film
Final Notes
This episode provides a rich mosaic of perspectives on some of the world’s most urgent challenges: political violence and accountability in the Israel-Gaza conflict, the world’s indifference to Sudan’s suffering, the tech industry’s inability (or unwillingness) to stem digital harm, and the loss of an artist whose career intersected with so many of these themes. For listeners, it’s an indispensable primer on the intersection of war, media, and politics in autumn 2025.