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Hello everyone, and welcome to the Amanpur Hour. Here's where we're headed this week there was tremendous unity in that room, fewer than usual surprises and setbacks at the latest NATO summit. There was high praise, increased defense spending and and support for Ukraine. What next? I asked former U.S. representative to NATO, Julianne Smith. Then Trump calls him a radical, but what does he say? My conversation with the Secretary of the Smithsonian, Lonnie Bunch.
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It scares me when people aren't brave enough to face their history.
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And the details suggest a carefully built, full scale replica of one of America's main guided missile destroyers.
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The warship in the middle of a desert. How China is mocking up American naval vessels to prepare for possible confrontation. Also ahead, there was enough poison in
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that bottle to kill 10,000 people.
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The spy Next Door, a new documentary about the Russian poisonings in England that shocked the world. In a rare interview, I speak to former British Prime Minister Theresa May about facing that crisis and today's plan. Plus, a city rising from the ashes, only to be destroyed time and time again. From my archives, how Lebanon's capital, Beirut, symbolizes a region under constant bombardment. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour. In London. The transatlantic alliance descended on Ankara, Turkey, this week for a crucial NATO summit. President Trump had threatened to boycott, but he did go. And afterwards reported a thaw in usual frosty bust ups with allies after insulting them all on day one. Trump declared they had a great meeting with a lot of love and unity in the room. For their part, NATO allies indicated they're done with Trump's bullying and have upped their defense spending for their own security. Even his old sparring partner, the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, seemed to impress Trump with his recent counterattacks on Russia. We've actually developed a good relationship.
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It's hard to believe right from the
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Oval Office to now. We've developed, I think we've developed a very good relationship.
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And, and this is not the end.
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No, this is not.
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This is going to be the beginning, maybe. Then again, on Iran, Trump says the truce is off and there were more strikes this week. He also said he didn't want to go back to full on war. So how does it all shake out? I asked Julianne Smith, former U.S. ambassador to NATO. Ambassador Smith, welcome to the program.
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Thank you. Good to be back.
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Good to have you with us. I just want to ask you, of course, the big, really the hot war seems to have been rekindled between the United States and Iran. What do you make of that fact and where do you think it could actually end up? Or is it just going to be a constant sort of low level war?
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Well, this is the problem. We could be entering a phase where this is just the status quo. There's tremendous uncertainty, tremendous instability in the strait. Companies do not feel secure shipping their goods, shipping oil through the strait, and our economies will react to that uncertainty. We were just getting to the point where the markets were feeling stable. We were seeing positive reactions around the globe. But now I think the question is, are we just entering a period where this is going to be part of our daily lives, that we will not be able anytime soon to reach some sort of lasting ceasefire in the region that will allow those ships finally to safely transit the Strait of Hormuz.
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And then of course, all the other issues like the nuclear issue and the like, which is also at stake. So do you think this issue or how do you think it affects the alliance? You saw, I'm sure, President Trump's, you know, handling of the NATO summit, his farewell press conference. Do you agree with him that it ended with unity and as he said, much loved. In other words, do you think at least the alliance is together?
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Well, it was a very short summit. It was a social dinner on the first evening and one session the next morning. But what transpired between day one and day Two was notably different. Day one was very scratchy. The President arrived expressing tremendous anger, frustration with specific allies over the Iran war. He's been frustrated with Spain that the US Was not able to use Spanish airspace to operate, operationalize the intervention, the war that was begun with Israel. And then there were complaints about the fact that all of NATO had, quote, let the United States down, that NATO hadn't shown up for the United States. So going into the summit, I think the allies felt uncertain about what the outcome would be, whether or not the US Would be announcing any changes to its force posture in Europe. But we got to day two. The President was in a different mood. He was up. He felt good about the numbers that the Secretary General had given him about increases in defense spending and left claiming that NATO is more united than ever. But we've seen this movie before. This is what happened last year in the Hague. And the question is, what comes next? Should we all breathe a sigh of relief that we were able to get through, or is this just another up and down chapter where he likes Europe on one day and dislikes them another?
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So that brings me to this really interesting, deeply reported Wall Street Journal article about over the past six months, how Europe has tried to figure out how, in fact, to deal with this situation. Now, according to this, one leader from southern Europe is reported to have told the group, you are not dealing with an administration that has processes. You're dealing with a single volatile individual. Obviously they mean President Trump, because this is all about how to deal with President Trump and NATO on track. Do you agree with that assessment?
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I do agree with the assessment. NATO summits are normally, for decades, they've been about allies coming together to talk about shared threats and challenges. They're there to announce new policies, new initiatives to deal with Russia, threats in the Middle east, threats in the Arctic, challenges elsewhere. What's changed is NATO summits now are about managing one person and one country, and that is the United States. And so it becomes a balancing act that's more about one person than about the collective strength of the alliance as a whole. So, of course, I'm personally relieved to see that we came out of the other side of the summit with a united message and some sense of resolve and support for Ukraine. That's a good thing. But I worry that if we continue to get into this cycle where it's just about managing the United States, that NATO is distracted and unable to focus collectively as allies on those shared challenges and threats.
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So, interestingly, the reporting after this summit suggested, and actually they quoted Certain European leaders there as saying, yes, you know, perhaps before it was about, you know, trying to figure out Trump, et cetera. But now they say after this whole year and a half of the second administration, this is no longer. We've had enough of the bullying. We are doing this because of our own security.
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Well, allies are stepping up. Let's not deny that. And we should applaud all of those efforts. I mean, by the best calculations, Europe will spend upwards of a trillion euros on their own defense over the next decade. We have to applaud all of those efforts and celebrate them. This is something that the United States has been asking for for a very long time. And it is important that they do it for their own security, not just because the United States and President Trump is bullying them into it. They really need to do it to provide for their own security. So this is a good thing. I question whether or not those efforts in Europe are well coordinated and whether or not they're leading to some potential fragmentation across the continent. But all in all, this is a positive development for the NATO alliance, full stop.
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Obviously, there's a debate as to whether to go with the Secretary General. Reuters. Let's keep him on side. Let's keep giving Trump wins and the potential Macron version of let's do our own thing and let's, you know, mitigate for this what he called a security risk. But imagine the picture of Danish and French soldiers in Greenland ready to attack American troops if they invaded.
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No one should underestimate the impact of the Greenland chapter on the state of the transatlantic relationship. We may have forgotten here in the United States what President Trump said late last year or early, early this year on getting or taking Greenland. We may consider it to be in the rearview mirror, although he did mention Greenland when he got to Turkey for the NATO summit. But in Europe, they have not forgotten Greenland. They have not forgotten that the strongest and most powerful member of the NATO alliance once threatened to take the territory of another NATO ally. That has shaken this alliance to its core. It has undermined trust with our allies and led many of them to conclude that there is no going back. They are now turning the page on 80 years of history, of working hand in glove with the United States. This does not mean that the transatlantic relationship is over. I'm not here to issue rights, last rites on that relationship. But what it does mean is that the trust that once sat at the foundation of this relationship now has been lost. And that will have consequences for you industry. It will have consequences for the United States government. And it will have consequences for this incredible global network of partners and allies that the United States has held onto for decades.
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Ambassador Julianne Smith, thank you so much for being with us.
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Thank you.
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Coming up later on the show, Britain's former Prime Minister Theresa May joins me on the Russia threat and poisonings that grip the world. But right ahead, the White House says radicals are running the Smith Smithsonian. We'll hear from the head of that institution next.
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I'm Audie Cornish.
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I'm Ari Shapiro. And it's engagement party. And we get to talk about what we're obsessed with, what we're engaged with, what we need to process with a friend. And we're gonna start with what's old is new again. What's old is one of the greatest tech failures of the 21st century. Google Glass.
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I thought you were gonna say Froyo.
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Well, also that.
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Also that, like, it wanted to be ice cream and didn't make it there.
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The question is, is meta Glasses gonna be the next great tech failure of the 21st century after Mark Zuckerberg has invested, what, $70 billion into making it a thing? Is it something we're all gonna be wearing, or is it just a creepy way for perverts to be even more lecherous than they were without these glasses?
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Ari, what is your take?
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Welcome back to the program. Radical activists are running America's Smithsonian Institution. The White House says in a scathing new report it dropped on Independence Day, no less. Trump has repeatedly lashed out at the prestigious museum group and its leader, Lonnie Bunch, as his administration downplays America's origin story of slavery and wages a wider ideological battle over best to remember US History. Just a note. His administration just won court approval to replace educational panels at George Washington's Philadelphia home about the first president's slaves. An early Trump executive order had said federally owned or controlled historic sites must not, quote, disparage Americans past or living, and should focus on, quote, the greatness of the achievements and progress of the American people. Well, I got Secretary Bunch's reactions to Trump's broadsides when we spoke just before July 4th.
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I think it's really important that we have a commitment to telling the complete story of America, to tell a story that really is a story of many peoples who have shaped this nation. Some that people want to not talk about. But I think our job is to say, how do we tell an accurate history driven by scholarship that's nonpartisan, that challenges America to live up to its ideals that celebrates America, but also celebrates that the great strength of America is that people have voted, debated, pushed to help America live up to those ideals. So it's our job to tell an accurate, complex, and truthful history.
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You tell a story in your memoir about a. You know, as a young historian, you met Prince E. Jenkins. At the time, he was a man in his 90s, grandson of enslaved people at a plantation in South Carolina. And he told you, as a historian, your job better be to help people remember not just what they want to remember, but what they need to remember. How did those words first, you know, hit you, and how do you think about them now at this time?
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You know, when he said that, I realized that those words were going to shape the rest of my career, that it really was important to understand what people knew so that you can sort of celebrate those stories, but to also say, but it's also important to understand stories that you may not want to know, because they're all part of shaping who we are. And so, for me, Princey Jenkins words are really my North Star. Every day, I think about the fact that he challenged me to make sure I help people become better by understanding the complexity of the past.
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Let me now bring up some of the invectives, if I could, I don't know, use that term from the president himself. Quote, the Smithsonian is out of control in caps, where everything discussed is how horrible our country is, how bad slavery was responding.
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Well, I think that, first of all, if you go through the Smithsonian, as I do almost every day, and you look at the stories we tell, it is a complex story, but it's a story that celebrates America in many ways, but also argues that there's nothing wrong with helping a nation realize that it's a work in progress, that people have struggled to end slavery, struggled to make sure there was fairness in terms of issues of gender. So for me, it really is not saying we're trying to criticize America or say, what a horrible place. We're just simply saying, you celebrate America. Because in some ways, America has grappled with some of the greatest challenges it's faced. And that, for me, what's important is I believe that Americans are this amazingly brave people who, you know, defeated Nazism and the like. And it scares me when people aren't brave enough to face their history. And in some ways, you have to face it anyway. You know, there's no way of running away from the impact of immigration or the impact of labor issues. So for me, it's really an opportunity to basically say, let us understand America. We celebrate, we commemorate. But the goal is to understand. And you can only understand it when you grapple with the complexity of who we once were. It shapes who we are today and hopefully can point us towards a better future.
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And it's hard. It's a challenge for you. I mean, you have been in the crosshairs. The Smithsonian has been in the crosshairs of this administration. There was an executive order by President Trump accusing the Smithsonian of promoting, quote, narratives that portray American and Western values as inherently harmful and oppressive. And it's called for an end to your spending on programs and exhibitions that, quote, degrade shared American values, divide Americans by race, or promote ideologies inconsistent with federal law. Is that what you do, Secretary?
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You know what we do. We try to tell a complicated story that is driven by the best nonpartisan scholarship we have. And that, candidly, I learn when everybody offers criticism, I listen, I say, are we doing the best we can? How do we convey the stories in a way that the public will understand? But the reality is, the North Star for us is the notion of. Of how our scholarship helps America understand the complexity, the nuance, the subtlety. It's a hard thing to do. Many people want simple answers to complex questions. Our job is to sometimes do that, but more importantly, give you questions and answers that will make you understand the complexity of who we are as a nation. And I take great pride in what the Smithsonian has done. It is not a place that attacks America. It is a place that celebrates America by helping people understand the complexity of who we are.
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You know, I was struck by some of the research I read. And you spoke about a meeting with President Trump. And I believe you showed him around the Smithsonian and you had a different experience with him than some of these posts would suggest on Truth Social or some of the executive order writings, or some of the things that some of his lieutenants, for instance, write like. Like Russell Vogt, who, you know, is basically saying, we wish to be assured that none of the leadership of the Smithsonian museums is confused about the fact that the United States has been among the greatest forces for good in the history of the world. Tell me how your actual meeting with Trump at the Smithsonian went.
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Well, you know, that was a tour I gave him of the National Museum of African American History and Culture, where I was the founding director. And candidly, it was a tour where we grappled with the challenges. And he came out saying it was a good experience. And so, in many ways, I felt that part of the job of the Smithsonian is to give everybody an opportunity to educate, to be educated, to learn something new. And I think he learned something new as he walked through the museum. You know, I think that it's important that I am not trying to say the Smithsonian versus the administration. All I'm trying to do is to say that we want to help America and we're doing the best we can by being nonpartisan and really being driven by the best scholarship.
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Lonnie Bunch, thank you so much.
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My great pleasure. Thank you.
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And Lonnie Bunch reiterates that promise, that mission to tell the whole American story in response to Trump's latest broadsides. Now up ahead, a glimpse into how China might be preparing for war with a massive military mock up. You need to see to believe.
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At first it looks like any American warship at sea. Then you notice the sand.
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Craig Ferguson is going coast to coast to unpack what it really means to be an American today.
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Welcome back. China is telling the world not to quote over interpret the missile it test fired from a nuclear powered submarine into the Pacific this week. But that's not calming its neighbors nerves. Australia says it comes in the context of a rapid and secretive military buildup by Beijing. While Taiwan, a possible chines called it an attempt to intimidate the international community. There's no doubt that China is readying for any military scenario Our will. Ripley brings us this fascinating discovery about the lengths Beijing is going to. Here's his report from a watchful Taiwan.
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At first it looks like any American warship at sea. Then you notice the sand more than 1,000 miles from the nearest coastline, hundreds of miles from any major city deep inside the western Chinese desert. What appears to be a full scale mock up of a US Navy Arleigh Burke class destroyer. Look at it side by side with the USS Fitzgerald. The resemblance is striking. Both are around 510ft long. the back, the helicopter flight deck used to launch and recover naval helicopters. Next are the vertical launch systems cells used to fire guided munitions like the Tomahawk cruise missile heavily used in the conflict with Iran. This is the bridge and command area where navigation, communications and combat operations are controlled. At the front is the deck gun used for surface targets, air threats and shore bombardment. Together the details suggest a carefully built full scale replica of one of America's main guided missile destroyers, workhorses of the U.S. navy Fleet More than 70 sailing in oceans around the world. If conflict ever erupts over Taiwan, these destroyers would likely be among the first US warships deployed. Han Su analyzes China's military for Taiwan's top defense research institute. Why would China go through all the effort and expense to build this?
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The Chinese try to prepare everything from A to D. The Chinese military has ballistic missiles that can attack from high angles and cruise missiles that can attack horizontally. So they're trying to combine both and enhance their anti access and area denial capability.
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He says they're trying to improve the accuracy of China's newest hypersonic anti ship missiles displayed at Beijing's military parade last year. The 3D replica is covered with antennas designed to simulate the radar signature of an American warship, helping China detect, identify and perhaps target the real thing. It's located in Xinjiang, the same area where the People's Liberation army built 2D flat mockups of US aircraft carriers and destroyers several years ago, even putting them on tracks, analysts say, to move at the speed of actual ships. Have they ever built a 3D mock up before?
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It's first time.
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Open source intelligence analyst Joseph Wen first spotted the mock up when it was still under construction about a month ago.
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I do think this is quite surprising. The scale of the construction is really massive.
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What message are they trying to send by building this?
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The message that they are sending is China is always preparing for war.
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Under leader Xi Jinping, China has poured billions into modernizing its military, from aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons to artificial intelligence. The PLA has also long trained using mockups of everything from US Military assets to Taiwan's presidential office office. On China's tightly controlled social media censors are allowing comments like these. The US Military's premier escort warships, long regarded as a source of pride, have now become designated targets for Chinese missiles. They are nothing more than targets sitting in the desert waiting to be hit. Will Ripley, cnn, Taipei.
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Will Ripley reached out to the pentagon, to the U.S. pacific Fleet and to China's Defense Ministry and got no response. Coming up next, it was one of Russia's most egregious assassination attempts on foreign soil. I talked to the former British Prime Minister Theresa May about the Salisbury poisonings.
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I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. This week's guest, Dr. Marshall Leonard. He once defended goals as a Major League Soccer player for the New England Revolution, but now he's defending life as an emergency medicine doctor at Stony Brook in New York. I have tried to understand can I see when a player is in flow State just as a spectator. Can I sort of observe this in some way? You have such a unique lens on things now both. Again, as a former player but now physician. Can you tell when I'm watching the World Cup, I think that I can sort of see when a player's feeling it and is in a zone. Let your athleticism take over because you have that ability. So calm your mind, take a breath. I just say just do it like Nike.
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Crashers all new Monday at 10:30 on HGTV. Welcome back to the program. It was the Russian attack on a small English town that shocked the world in 2018. An assassination attempt against the double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, their would be killers had enough nerve agent Novichok to kill thousands. Now that extraordinary story is being unpacked in the new CNN documentary the Salisbury Poisonings. A spy next door. Salisbury is a small city. What happened? Doesn't sound like it's something that that happens in your town.
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Two people were having a medical episode immediately.
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This didn't look right. They had very unusual symptoms. Somebody said, you're not going to believe what I've just found out. Something has poisoned these people.
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Turns out that he was a Russian spy.
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Featured in that documentary is the former British Prime Minister Theresa May, who oversaw the British response and rallied the world to action against Russ. She spoke to me about that time and what she thinks of the challenges the west faces today. Prime Minister May, welcome to the program.
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Thank you.
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You have taken part with other people in this new documentary which is airing on CNN about the Skripal poisonings. Obviously happened during your prime ministership. Take us back to that moment when you heard about it and what went through your mind.
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When I first heard about it, it was. It was presented to me as two people who'd been found on a park bench who were obviously ill. But at that stage, it wasn't entirely clear what the problem was. And there was a hope that actually this was something that was explicable. A drug issue or something like that rather than being what it turned out to be, obviously the chemical weapon, the nerve agent. So at that point in time, there's a sort of you hope for the best, but then you have to start thinking and preparing for the worst.
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And the worst was that I think one way or another, essentially it was an act of war by a hostile state. On the United Kingdom.
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I mean, the fact that initially there were sort of two people on a park bench. Okay, well, this may be more than just something that would naturally be explicable. And then of course, you're told that, say, Guy Skripal had what worked for Russian intelligence.
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You couldn't let this stand if you knew that this was Russia and it went to the highest levels, that is Putin. Were you satisfied with how your allies reacted to this? And how did you see Sergei Lavrov react?
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Impassively, I think, is probably the best description. I mean, in terms of the response from allies, what was critical was that we were able to bring about the largest ever expulsion of Russian intelligence officers across the world in history. Over 25 countries came together with the United Kingdom, NATO as well, and expelled Russian intelligence officers. Over 150 were expelled around the world. And that gave a very clear signal to Russia. First of all, we've been watching you and we knew where these people were and we are disrupting your networks. Russia has used a chemical weapon, which is, which is unlawful to use a chemical weapon, and they've used it on the streets of a British city. The audacity of that, the recklessness of that was absolutely clear to me. And I think that came across to allies around the world.
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So obviously they deny it. And Putin has not been humbled at all by any of this. He's been outed in every which way by this, by your investigations, by the revelation of who the two agents were who brought this and committed this crime, subsequently doing the full scale invasion of Ukraine and continuing these very reckless, bold. I mean, thumbing his nose is an understatement, but just not taking NATO, the United States, Europe seriously at all, it seems.
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So, yes, they carried on in, in that sense. And we saw that further invasion of Ukraine in some years ago. Now we've seen the Ukrainians fight back, Ukrainians clearly wanting to maintain their independence, their sovereignty, and the uk, United States and other allies across Europe supporting Ukraine and continuing to support Ukraine, which is absolutely essential, do you think?
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Because we've seen it all. We've seen President Trump go back and forth and Maybe President Trump 2.0 is different than the President Trump, you knew and worked alongside in his first administration when you were Prime Minister. Can you talk to that?
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Well, the United States, I was the first world leader to visit President Trump in his first term. And one of the reasons for doing that was, was to ensure that he would support NATO. And he did, and he came out supporting NATO. But what he said at NATO was what the UK actually agreed with, which was that the countries sitting around that NATO table had to up their defence spending. And of course, what Putin achieved by his further invasion of Ukraine, which is something that he did not expect to achieve, was a NATO that has been strengthened by Sweden and Finland and joining it, what he got with Germany, increasing defence spending, with NATO commitments to increase defence spending around the table, what does
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this next Prime Minister have to do? We've just had a NATO summit and Trump is again complaining about lack of, you know, correct spending by NATO allies. What actually does a UK Prime Minister have to do, knowing that there's so much domestic that needs to be dealt with as well?
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Obviously, there's been a lot of toing and froing from this current Labour government about the defence investment plan. And as you say, the Secretary of State for Defence, John Healey, resigned because he didn't feel enough money was coming forward. I have to say there is a simple way in which some money can be released in terms of UK government terms, which is by the UK government getting on top of welfare reform and ensuring that we are spending less, less on welfare.
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And finally, is this world to your satisfaction as a former Prime Minister? Is it in safe hands? Do you think democracy and the rules of the road, the post World War II rules of the road, and the international order can survive?
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Well, democracy can survive, certainly, but those of us who believe in it have to stand up and share those values and, and explain why we believe democracy is so important. The world post the Second World War, we created these multilateral institutions which I would argue have helped to maintain peace, security, relative peace, security and stability for us. Those are breaking down and we need to think about whether we should reshape those for the future. But I would say that those of you us who believe in democracy, in the importance of people having the freedom to choose who is governing them, in the importance of the rule of law, importance of a free press, all of those issues that underpin our democracy, we need to be willing to go out and argue for those and show a new generation. Because I do worry about the polls that show young people who don't see democracy as the way forward. We need to show that new generation what their freedoms matter. And it's democracy that deliver those freedoms.
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Prime Minister Theresime, thank you very much for being with us.
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Thank you.
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And the Salisbury Poisonings A Spy Next Door features tomorrow night at 8pm on CNN. That's Eastern Time. After a break, a city trapped in a cycle of destruction and rebirth. From my archive, how Lebanon's capital, Beirut is a symbol for a country and a region constantly having to rebuild itself. Welcome back to the program. When is a ceasefire not a ceasefire? Well, this week the answer seems to be when you're in the Middle East. Iran and the United States trading strikes despite their 60 day memorandum of understanding to try to end that war. And Israel bombing southern Lebanon despite a ceasefire there. For Lebanon, the destruction has become a tragic norm for generations. Its capital, Beirut has become a symbol of what it means to be trapped in a cycle of destruction and attempts to rebuild. Right now its southern suburbs lie in ruins after Israel's bombing campaign. They say we're targeting Hezbollah. And when I was there for the first time in 1993, a 15 year Civil War had torn the country to shreds. We found this report from my archive that could frankly be a present day reality check.
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The scale of the destruction in Beirut can still take your breath away. Two years after the 15 year civil war ended. So awesome it's on the list of tourist attractions these days.
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Don't go to the sides because we
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are still afraid of mines.
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To some UN soldiers on leave, a young boy hold postcards showing gracious old Martyrs Square as it used to be. This is what it looks like today. Gone are the palm trees. Just overgrown weeds flourish between the cracks in the rubble. And the only people who hang out here are soldiers manning checkpoints or snatching some sleep on the broken ledges. But like a phoenix rising from the ashes, Beirut is on the road back. A shiny office is the cornerstone of a brand new development project that will replace many of the historic old buildings with a modern mass of glass and steel. It'll take a lot of time and a lot of money to rebuild Beirut. The government estimates it'll cost $13 billion over the next 10 years. And so far it's raised just 1 billion in loans and grants from Arab countries and the Europeans and the World Bank. US products are making their way back to Beirut. And such is the confidence these days of the Lebanese. The Japanese pound has risen 20% against the dollar in the last year. The main shopping drag is bustling and businessmen dare to hope.
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Nowadays it's good, but for the future,
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it's more better, I think.
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And look who's here again. The rich and the powerful who took themselves and their expertise out of harm's way during the war are back to help put their country on its feet.
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Of course, we are very optimistic.
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There's plenty of construction. Beirut's port and airport are being expanded and its shattered infrastructure is being rebuilt. This is the state of today's power supply. A jumble of wires connected to generators provided electricity during and since the war. And only those with cellular links have regular phone service. There is still no traffic lights in Beirut. Former militiamen turned policemen try to make do. And law and order is a welcome change from 15 years of anarchy.
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Everything is under control, I think, no problem at all.
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But of course, there are problems. Not too far away from the tree lined coast road, not far away from where the young and the restless cruise through the Mediterranean. The less well off squat in the bombed out buildings and wonder whether they'll ever share in the new prosperity. Wonder how much will really change in a country that not so long ago was being written off as a hopeless case. Christiane Amanpour, cnn, Beirut.
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Pictures that could actually be from today, the beleaguered civilians of Lebanon once again trying to rise from the ashes of the current conflict. When we come back, the annual running of the bulls starts in Spain and the Hemingway Knox that put that sport on the map turns 100 years old.
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Coming to Pamplona is completely unreal. Being involved in that opening ceremony is pretty fantastic.
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And finally, one of Spain's most famous and controversial festivals is reaching its peak today. Yep, it is the running of the bulls. Every year, revelers from all around the world descend on Pamplon to catch a glimpse or run the gauntlet. Even as critics say it amounts to animal cruelty, the spectacle has become a global symbol of Spanish culture, no doubt due in part to Ernest Hemingway's novel the Sun Also Rises, which was published exactly 100 years ago. That would have been 1926. In it, Hemingway wrote the unforgettable lines. At noon of Sunday, the 6th of July, the fiesta exploded. There is no other way to describe it. He was the wordsmith. That is all we have time for. Don't forget, you can find all our shows online as podcasts@cnn.com audio and on all other major platforms. I'm Cristiana Manpour in London. Thank you for watching and I'll see you again next week.
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My mom would always say, the only way out is through. The only way out is through. There are no shortcuts. You have to feel it.
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