Jake (2:31)

Yeah, it's 100% bad for America. I don't see a single good thing. People are dying, getting killed. It's just, like, hard being a very proud American. I know you are, too. It's been hard, kind of, like spiritually, to be that we're the bad guys out there. Just. I mean, the first missile strikes targeted all girls school. It's just been kind of hard coming to terms with this.

Nick (2:51)

Yeah, it is a. And I think that in particular, this war makes us feel like we're an evil country and we have an evil leader. And I didn't even feel like that necessarily when the war in Gaza was happening, only because there was some reluctance from the Biden administration to support it. And now, now that this is full steam ahead in Iran, Trump is leading it. Trump is. This is our war. This is not like Israel with American support. This is a US That Israel, of course, dragged us into. But Trump is taking the lead. And it's the deception, it's the flippancy with how he's talking about. He's being very flippant about it and insincere. It's the brutality and the cruelty of the conflict. And you really feel like we have an evil leader, like a diabolical leader that is just wicked. There doesn't seem to be any grace or charity. I don't see any godliness in Trump anymore. So there is the psychological effect where it feels like we've sort of lost control entirely. There's just not even a semblance of. It feels like we're a demonic nation right now. So I agree with you. It's not a good feeling.

Jake (4:00)

Yeah, it does. And we were both Trump supporters. We both turned on him, you know, for a lot of people. But seeing. I don't. It's not. Doesn't feel like he's the same person. He always had some of these tendencies, but it seems like something's just gone wicked off the deep end, or maybe we missed it before, but it's just truly dark and evil. Like, hopefully he has that deadline tonight where he's saying he's just going to massacre him, basically genocide. I was just before the started Reading, maybe they have a deal. I have no idea what's true. I hope he doesn't just start bombing, massacring children, children. Because how can we, you know, be proud Americans? And, yeah, I was just in Vietnam. The first time in my life I ever felt, like, a little weird saying I was American. People looking at you a little different. And I love my country. I am a patriot. People say, oh, I'm disloyal, you're a traitor. Like, no, I'm not a trader. I'm trying to take my country back. I'm sure you feel the same way.

Nick (4:42)

I do. I love America and I'm a patriot. And I even, you know, when we talk about the situation in Iran, I said on my show, I'm praying for Iran. I actually want them to prevail in the conflict. But. But I'm a little conflicted about it because, of course, I don't want Americans to die, and I don't want American soldiers to die in the conflict. And I want America to be a successful and victorious and proud country. However, we are in this position because we clearly have no sovereignty. There is no connection between what the American public wants and what we believe in and what we're actually getting from the White House. It's like the least popular war in modern history. And I don't think anybody believes it's in our interest. Even if I'm sure you have some Trump supporters that believe that maybe they trust Trump or they have some confidence in him, there's still a remnant there. I don't know if anybody believes that this has any positives for us or. Or at the minimum, that it's more positive for us than it is for Israel. So that's always the rub. And, yeah, so it puts you in a weird position, but I would say that you have to draw a distinction between the regime, which is Trump and the Trump government, and America, which is the people and the history and the land and all that. I love America. I don't love. I don't love this regime that's in control right now.

Jake (5:58)

Exactly. They don't represent us. I was actually really surprised to see you praying for Iran because, like, the night before, I found myself praying for Iran and the soldiers, and I was thinking, oh, this people think this is so insane. And then I saw you admitting that. I was like, wow, it's not something I expected from, like, a right wing commentator. They act like you're some evil guy and you're, you know, you. You have basic humanity and respect.

Nick (6:20)

Well, I'm A Christian. I'm a Christian. We don't want to see innocent people die. And I'm a huge believer in that. And, you know, in as much as we have views about racial politics or about Jews, this is just a reflection of how people get along. But. And I don't believe under any circumstances we should be killing a civilization. I don't even know what that means.

Jake (6:39)

Yeah. And they're not some backwards people. I know a lot of Iranians are not these, like, backwards cave people. Like, they act like they are. It's like. Like they're some of the nicest, friendly people I've been around. So to treat them, they dehumanize them. They dehumanize the Gins, the Lebanon. And it's just been a tough year spiritually, I think, for. For a lot of people, like a spiritual battle in this country. You know, I used to be anti religion, but it's pushed me towards God. And you realize if there's a devil, there has to be a God, right?

Nick (7:04)

Yeah, absolutely. Well. And it. It shocks your conscience. It. It awakens you to the fact that we do have written on our hearts a sense of right and wrong and good and evil. Everybody knows that. Everybody's born with it. Everybod. It's just that over time, you get desensitized, or you learn not to listen to it or you turn it off. But when you see the most absolute, heinous evil, which is what this is, it's just bloodthirsty. Like, you're talking about genocide, mass murder. I think that awakens you to the fact that we're moral beings. We live in a moral universe. We're meant to tell the truth and fight for what's right. People have dignity. And when they lose their dignity, when they're dehumanized so they could be killed, we recognize intrinsically there's something very wrong. Maybe there's something that. That's the ultimate evil. So I think there's a lot of truth in what you just said.

Jake (7:50)

Yeah. I'm a father. I have children. So when I see these children being slaughtered, it just hurts. I had to stop going to those telegram channels, looking at stuff. I realized it was like, you know, I'm like a strong guy, but it was messing me up mentally, looking at too much of this stuff. Like, I got to stop looking because I can't imagine what they've suffered through the Palestinian people. The. It's just bizarre watching our country turn evil. I don't know. How do we turn it around?

Nick (8:11)

I don't I don't know.

Jake (8:13)

I. I was thinking about running for office, and I'm like, do I. I started looking at trying to fix the problems, and I'm like, I don't even know what could be done.

Nick (8:21)

I don't think there's anything that can be done. I. I think that the country needs a reckoning is what has to happen. The country is wicked and decadent and arrogant. And what you see throughout the Bible, ironically, in the context of Israel, is that when the people become proud and when they don't listen to God, God punishes them, God humbles them. And I don't know that it necessarily works exactly the same way, but I think we tend to find that when people become arrogant, you know, there's that saying, pride goes before the fall. They have a habit of inviting and attracting ruin and destruction. And this country has had opportunities, I think, to do the right thing. And people are not stepping up to the plate. People are not doing the right thing. And so we will be humbled. And I think that it's. It's incumbent on the good people to try to do what we can. All we're called to do as Christians is. And as decent people, it's not that we're supposed to change the outcome or fix America. That's up to God. The world is in God's hands. All any one of us can do is take accountability for ourselves every day, one day at a time, telling the truth, trying to do the right thing, treating each other with charity and compassion and gentleness and mercy. That's all anybody can do. And all anybody can do is is try to reflect on their own actions. Am I part of the solution or am I part of the problem? Are we going to be part of the. Are we going to be the part of this generation that will inherit this fallen country and try to put it back together? Are we going to be destroying it? And unfortunately, a lot of people want to be a part of the problem.

Jake (9:53)

Yeah, I'm going to at least try. You know, it's like I'm. At least try. I felt like a calling, you know, maybe from God. You probably felt that, I don't know, God, whatever it is, I felt like I had to speak up. People trying to talk me out of it. When I first started speaking up. I mean, you obviously know how crazy it was because you were long before me, the amount of ostracization you've had. But I just felt like I had a moral obligation to do the right thing and speak up and try to Push the country in the world towards a better place.

Nick (10:17)

Yeah, for me it was just, I see me, I was always into politics. I was always obsessed with it. And I just went where the truth is. And it was very obvious as an 18 year old, like they're not hiding it, that you have this subversive influence in the country and if you just look at it long enough, you'll see it. And for me, it was just never a question. It was always whether we were going to tell the truth or whether I was going to tell the truth and face the consequences. Or you knowingly lie so that you can make money so you could have platform access and I could just never live like that. So for me, it was just not even really a question. It was, I tell the truth, I'm in politics, I want to know the truth, share it. And if that's what the truth is, so be it. And you get persecuted. That's the story of humanity.

Jake (11:03)

Yeah. Oh, I want to get some super chats, but I'll read those at the end. We got like one hour because Nick's got a tight time schedules, last 10 minutes to read super chats. We don't like, break the flow, but just. Yeah, back, back to the thing though. You're at such a young age, 18 years old. I couldn't have sacrificed like you did, the way you were ostracized. That's tough. I don't think people understand. Most people following you now don't understand what you went through. Like you lost your banking. I was talking to Kick, arguing with them. Why aren't you paying Nick? And then I realized the payment processors are like, won't pay you. Not even. Yeah, payment processor. It's like, what?

Nick (11:37)

Well, I love your guide said. Can I say this, what he said to you about it?

Jake (11:43)

Sure, yeah.

Nick (11:44)

He says. What did he say? He said that I should squash the beef or something.

Jake (11:50)

Processor this guy, he's a nice guy. He was trying to help, but that's. Yeah, just squash the beef with the payment processes, people.

Nick (11:58)

Yeah, I'm banned on. I'm banned on stripe, which is why I can't get paid on kick. And they go, well, he just needs to sort it out with stripe. It's like I. I wish, I wish I could have payment processing and banking, but I can't. So, yeah, it totally sucks.

Jake (12:12)

Oh, you want to criticize the Jews? We'll shut your bank down. Did you see. Yay. Just got kicked out of. I don't know exactly was. I saw the headline. Some kind of music Thing kicked him out of, I don't know if it's a concert or what it was. And he even apologized. They don't, they don't accept your apology?

Nick (12:26)

No, they banned him from the whole country. They banned him from the uk.

Jake (12:30)

Oh, is that what it was?

Nick (12:31)

Yeah. So he was supposed to be the headlining act at this music festival in the uk. And what happened is first all the sponsors pulled out. So all the people putting up the money for it said, unless you cancel on him, we're not giving you money. So all the sponsors pulled out and the head of the festival actually stuck by. Yay. And said, well, we're going on with the show regardless. We don't need the sponsors because we believe in free speech. Well then the government intervened and the government said, well, we don't believe it's conducive to the public good to let ye go to the concert. So they're not even going to let him into the country. And this is because the Jewish deputies, I guess they lobbied the government, they lobbied the Prime Minister to make this decision. I don't know exactly how it works there. And you're right, that's even. So he apologized to a rabbi. Then he took out a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal which was a one page apology. Then as all this was happening, he released another apology he sent to the, I don't know if it was the, this Jewish group in the uk. He said, hey, I just want to come and share my music. It's all about love and unity and you know, I'll come meet with the Jews if you'll just let me perform. And they told him, they said, well, you can come and apologize to us, but you can't perform. They said, if you want to come and make amends, we'll let you do that, but we won't let you perform here. And then the government kicked him out. So it just goes to show, you know, people think they're going to say what they need to say, swallow their pride, make their apology, then they're going to get put back in business. It's not like that. The Jews want you to fundamentally submit. They want their humiliation ritual, they want their apology, they want their penance and they want it in perpetuity. They don't just want it once or twice. They need to know they gotcha. And if they don't gotcha, then you can't play, you're not in business anymore. And, and I don't know if there's a clear example of how that works. Than what just happened this week.

Jake (14:31)

No, that's so wrong. And Yay's a guy I just really like for some reason. I know you do too. Just say something about him. Just, he's so unique. Such a great artist, such a, you know, a genius in a. In a weird sort of way. And it just sucks seeing them do that to him, you know? I wish you wouldn't apologize, but I understand. He probably wanted his life back. I think they took his kids away. I don't know the details behind that, but that's just, you know, like I said, the father, that's the most evil thing. Like in the song, he's like, what's he say? He took my kids a bank account. So became a Nazi. Like, he tells you why? It wasn't like, out of nowhere that he decided to. He didn't just randomly come anti Semitic. You take your kids in bank account away. What are you supposed to do? I mean, you know, more than anyone, the bank to bank situation. I'm lucky. I'm one of the first generations of people that started speaking up that, like, didn't use bank accounts. I mean, I still could, but, like, pretty much everyone, like you, Ryan Dawson, all the people before would get their bank accounts X out. Like, what else you got blocked out of? Pretty much everything, right?

Nick (15:23)

Yeah. Airbnb, banks, payment processors, all the social platforms. Spotify, Apple. It's literally like, everything you can think of. I actually know of somebody that got banned on Claude recently on Anthropic.

Jake (15:39)

What's. What's quad? What is it? A.

Nick (15:41)

It's. It's one of the AI. It's one of the AI models. But you wanted the big ones.

Jake (15:46)

Rape a girl, like, beat a woman, and it's all fine. But. Oh, you question Jewish power. They're gonna. There's. We don't have it. Oh, you say we do. We're gonna cancel everything. It's just insane. No other group could do that. You know, it's funny. Like, black people. You never see black people going and apologizing to priests, but they go begging to rabbis. They want the humiliation ritual. They did that to a basketball player. He said, read a book. And he had to go. I think he gave, like, Tyri Irving. Yeah. And he had to go apologize to rabbis. I just couldn't do it. I mean, you obviously either. It's like, I just couldn't do it. They're not going to forgive you anyways. They just want to humiliate you over and over and over. So switching up a little bit, like I met you a few years ago. You had a massive hardcore following, but it was small. Like, people love you. It was a small hardcore group. You've transcended into mainstream celebrity. Like, what's that like?

Nick (16:38)

Well, it's very strange. It's very strange because like you said, I had been doing this for a long time and nobody really knew me. I was very niche. And now all of a sudden, literally in just the past, like, nine months, I get recognized everywhere I go. Every time I go out to eat, every time I. I go to the mall or the airport, anywhere, I get recognized. And it's always positive because even when people did recognize me before, they hated me because they thought, oh, there's that white supremacist Nazi. Let's go spit in his food. Let's go attack him in public. Now people come up and they're like, oh, I'm a huge fan. I want a picture. Oh, my friend loves you. They got the merch on. Whatever. So it's very strange and it's a little bit disconcerting, though, because I'm a very private person. I like to be very discreet when I move around in the world. And now it almost makes you paranoid. And I'm already a paranoid, not very trusting person. But now the new thing is I go to the airport and people will be there waiting at the airport. They know my flight information, and they're there waiting at the gate or at the security checkpoint to get me to sign an autograph. And, you know, and I never do it. I never sign the stuff. And people say, well, you're an. Because people come up and say, can you sign this? I drove a long way. And I go, no. But the reason why is because what they're implicitly saying is like, we know all your movements. We know where you're going to be. We know when you're going to be there. We know where you're going. And, you know, so I understand why a lot of people think that's like an innocent little thing. Hey, what's the big problem? I just wanted my hat signed. And. But for someone like me, it's like, well, I don't want people to know where I'm going and where I am. And, you know, I. I don't want to have people breathing down my neck like that. I like to move through my life. So there's some aspects of it that are a little bit. Like I said, it's a little uncomfortable and disconcerting, but I guess that's part of the job.

Jake (18:35)

Well, someone just Tried to assassinate you. And that should have been a bigger story. That kind of got like, literally someone came to your door and tried to kill you. Had killed several people. That should have been a bigger story, in my opinion.

Nick (18:45)

Yeah, you think? And they denied it. They denied it. Then they went on TV and they said, oh, well, he alleged that someone tried to kill him. It's like the guy murdered three people, then drove three hours to my front door and got out with a loaded gun in his hand, knocking on the door, yelling, where's Nick? And people go, I alleged he tried to kill me. Yeah, right.

Jake (19:08)

That was after that viral tweet of. Was it my. Your body, my choice.

Nick (19:13)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jake (19:16)

People don't get us like a joke. It's.

Nick (19:20)

Yeah, they didn't get.

Jake (19:20)

Yeah, a lot of that.

Nick (19:21)

That was like. It's so weird too, because that happened right before I blew up. So I went from everyone hating me,

Jake (19:28)

like literally everybody in the country for

Nick (19:31)

a minute, every woman in particular hating me in the whole country. Like my lawyer was like, my daughter told me, you represent that asshole. I can't believe, like literally daughters and girlfriends of wives of. Every man I knew was like, I fucking hate that guy. And then a year later I'm like, mainstream is so weird.

Jake (19:51)

Yeah, you. I see liberals posting your stuff now. That's so bizarre to me. These people that just hated you before, because when I first met you, people hated you. People were like, you shouldn't be talking to that guy. He's a racist. But they took your voice, so they took your voice away and then they told us who you were. Because I believe in a lot of you. That must suck to have your voice taken away. You were banned from everything, so you can't speak and they just tell you, this guy's bad.

Nick (20:15)

Yeah. And that's, you know, it's very strategic in that way because it's true. They take your platform and then they on Twitter and everything on the news, then they tell you who you are and they tell everybody. So this guy's a self avowed Nazi, what, Blah, blah, whatever. And. And you have no right of reply. You don't get your day in court. You know, in America, you're innocent till proven guilty. You get to make your case before a jury of your peers. But the thing about reputational destruction is you don't get a fair hearing like that. They have the bigger megaphone because they're protected by government and they are institutional and they have the money. And if they don't like you, they squelch you shut you down. They don't engage with you deliberately. They won't debate you. Th. There's no engagement. And then they just tell everybody, hey, this guy, this guy's the worst person ever. And it's life ruining. So, yeah, you're right. It's pretty. It's pretty tough.

Jake (21:07)

You had your life destroyed for a lot of years, pretty much. I wouldn't say destroyed, but kind of you were. You were living tough, you know, that's why I had so much respect for you. What you went through, people don't understand. You were completely ostracized and at a young age is cut off from the world. How did you make money without banking and stuff? You couldn't even sell merch, could you?

Nick (21:25)

So, you know, we had a time where we always had super chats, so I was always able to make money through super chats on my show. But it was crazy the way they did it. They had a payment processor in like, another country and they charged us a very high processing fee. So even when I was banned from everything, I still had that source of income, but I wasn't able to sell merch. I had to use cryptocurrency only up until very recently. And I couldn't do subscriptions. I had no sponsors. So for a time. And then as far as banking was concerned, I would just have to keep making new bank accounts. I would go to the bank, make an account, they would catch on, they'd ban me. I'd go to a different bank, move my money out, move all my recurring payments. I'd be there for a few months, then I get banned. And so I think I went through six or seven bank accounts before finally I was able to land at one that didn't ban me. And that was maybe two or three years ago. So it's a trip. I mean, you gotta find a workaround for literally everything because they don't make it easy.

Jake (22:30)

And shout out to the gripers for helping support you. We've had an on and off relationship, but overall, I love them. They're like such a loyal, like, good group to you. I think I gotta unblock a bunch of them because I blocked a ton of them when we were fighting. So I'm like, you know what? This is helping instigate the problems between us.

Nick (22:46)

It happens. Yeah, they're rapid, you know.

Jake (22:48)

No, no. And I respect them. I don't. They love you. That's why. So they're like, they're going after me. And that's. I understand that. I don't hold anything. That's why I need to go through and unblock a bunch of them, I think. Yeah, again, whatever. Yeah, yeah. So what do you think? I think, I guess Dan Bazerian is running against Randy Fine. That's going to be the most interesting. Yeah, I think he has to move to Florida. He's trying to get this all set up, kind of spontaneous. But that's such a wild, interesting race of like, Dan's a little crazy. Ish. You know, I love Dan. Great friend. But he's extreme even by even me. And you are like Dan, but. And Randy Fine is the most insane, disgusting person in Congress. What do you think of that race?

Nick (23:29)

Well, I don't know the particulars of that district, but it's southern Florida. So the, the problem with southern Florida is it's all Jews. And so if you have. And that. That's not like, that's a problem, but like, if you have a Jewish electorate, that's why they're going to elect a radical, pro Israel Jew as their congressman. So I'll have to look at it. Obviously, I support Dan. I'd prefer Dan in Congress over Randy Fine. But. But the problem is that all the people in the administration that are pro Israel, they're pro Israel because they all came from Florida. Trump's chief of staff is Susie Wiles. She's a Florida lobbyist. She ran the state of Florida for Trump in 2016 for the campaign. And when you're the chief of staff, you put together the Cabinet. So who did she pick? Well, she picked Marco Rubio and she picked Mike Waltz. She picked Pam Bondi. What do they have in common? They're all from Florida. They're all from Florida politics. And how do you advance in Florida politics? Well, you have to go for the big Florida donors, which is all the Jewish money, because South Florida is one of the big epicenters of Jewish power in America. So there's no coincidence that it's like this. And so that's why I think Dan would probably have a better shot running in a different district, but I can see why he's doing it.

Jake (24:44)

Well, I looked at it as older people, too. The boomers. That's the worst people. So I don't know if he's committed already or not. I mean, he said it, but it might be smarter to run like in Vegas or something, because the boomers are the hardest demographic for Dan to reach. The young people are going to love Dan. Dan could also rally some of the Democrats, but you can't vote if you're registered Democrat. You can't vote for him in the primary.

Nick (25:04)

Right.

Jake (25:04)

It's a tough race, but I think. Yeah, but. Well, I think he's still doing it. We'll see, you know, if I'll rally behind him and support him whatever he does. So back to the administration. It's just full of lunatics. What do you think of Pete, the Secretary of War? This guy, to me seems completely out of his mind.

Nick (25:25)

Oh, he's an idiot. He's a complete idiot. And anybody that I talk to from the administration says he's a complete knucklehead. He's just a nothing. He's. Because the thing about the national security apparatus is you can actually identify what faction the different people are a part of, whether they're more neocon or whether they're prioritizers or restrainers or the big China hawks or the big Russia hawks. You can usually identify their ideological alignment and, you know, create a profile. But this guy, Pete Hexeth, he's just a complete idiot. And actually, what people say is he might even be compromised. He might even. There's some rumors that his best friend is in the admin, blackmailing him. And so I. I've heard not a lot of great things about him, that he's just kind of an ideological nothing, not very bright. And the only. The only information we have about him, as far as his leanings go, is that he is one of these fanatical evangelicals with all the tattoos. And he was part of this nonprofit 10 years ago talking about we need to rebuild the third temple and bring about the eschaton. So if we know anything about him, if he has an ideological leaning or a flavor, he is one of these radical, fanatical dispensationalists. He also goes to the church of Doug Wilson. Doug Wilson is a theonomist. He. I believe he's one of these Reformed preachers. He's one of these psycho Protestants. And this guy has been in bed with the Jews. He's building this huge complex in Idaho out of nowhere, apparently got a ton of money, very conspicuous building this huge facility. And all of a sudden now he's in bed with all these Clare monsters and Straussians and Zionists and very pro Jewish. And he said in an interview, I think a week or two ago, he would ban public displays of the Catholic faith. Even so, not just ban Islam, but ban Catholicism, because as Protestants, they want no Hyde laws. They. They have this, like, within Christianity, they have like a Jewish supremacist view of their own religion. And, And Pete Hexeth goes to Doug Wilson's church. So this guy's pretty up. I mean, he's. This is not a good guy.

Jake (27:35)

Yeah, he seems like a complete lunatic and evil to me. He just seems like a nasty and dumb. If you're evil and dumb, that's a bad mix. It just. Yeah, everyone in the Trump administration, they're these crazy, fanatical Israel, lots of them Zionists, like his spiritual leader. What's the girl, Paula? She was acting like he was like, Jesus. That was disgusting. And Trump, like, starting to, like, believe it. He thinks he's like, what is it, Cyrus? Or whatever. The king. The Jewish. Non. Jewish. Jewish Messiah.

Nick (28:00)

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Cyrus. They're. They. They believe he's the Messiah. And Tucker was hinting at this. He says, you know, maybe because all those people in the admin believe it, he goes, maybe Trump has been convinced that he is appointed to a higher office. Like, he's not just the president, but he's like the king of Israel. Or he's like, like you said, he's the Messiah. Like, who knows what they've been telling him and what he believes? And I think there's some credence to that. I don't think that Trump is a believer, but the people around him are, and they manipulate him and influence him a lot. So it is very disturbing and I don't like it.

Jake (28:36)

Yeah. Do you think? I hear Trump gets his information only from the yes men around him. He probably goes on Truth Social to watch people kiss his ass. Like, I don't think he's getting much real information. What are your thoughts on that?

Nick (28:47)

Well, that's true. That was a big thing. Taking him off of Twitter was a huge part, in my opinion, of his decline now.

Jake (28:55)

Exactly. He can't see what the people are saying, so he's out of touch. True Social probably bans anyone that criticizes Trump. That's all the trust the plan.

Nick (29:03)

Right.

Jake (29:04)

We're fine paying $10 gas.

Nick (29:06)

Well, because back in the old days, Twitter was such a huge part of his appeal. People don't even remember, but, like, 10 years ago, it was such a novelty.

Jake (29:15)

He was funny. Trump was hilarious. He was fun. Mag is this dying, pathetic crowd. Now it's just dumb people, Jewish people and paid, paid influencers. It's sad. I almost feel bad for him.

Nick (29:26)

But back then that was like. It wasn't just that he was funny, obviously, the. It was very pithy. And then that was part of the appeal. But. But specifically they said he's on Twitter and that is how he cuts through these layers of, of you could say moderation. Or if there was ever an attempt to control him by limiting his information diet with consultants or specialists or bureaucracy, people would always say, well, you know, Trump is on Twitter with us. Like, he's just liking and retweeting stuff. He sees what people are saying. And so it was actually a two way platform. That was Trump's ability to bypass the media. He could get his message past the media. And also we could get through to him because he was reading what we were saying. Now that he's on true social, he's cloistered. And not only that, but the chief of staff and the body aids, all the other personnel, they heavily control who he sees, who he talks to, what he sees on the Internet, the news clippings. And so over time, you're right, he's just totally divorced from reality and from public opinion, even his own supporters. And like you said, now it's just true social. It's like the cat turd. Amen choir. Anything he says, they're going to support it no matter what. So it's no wonder that he's totally deranged.

Jake (30:44)

Yeah. He said Jared told him if he bombed on the people were going to come up and bre. And welcome them as liberators. It's like, oh, my God. Yeah, I trust Jared.

Nick (30:53)

Yeah, right, right, yeah.

Jake (30:56)

Like, I don't know if it's true or not, but the Epstein files, there was a port. It wasn't like a confirmed one. It was one of those ones. It was like a tip that said, oh, Jared's controlling the presidency through Javad Lubovich. It's like, well, it seems very possible he was.

Nick (31:09)

I mean, and people that were around in the first term know Jared Kushner was running everything. Who negotiated the USMCA from nafta? Jared Kushner. Who brokered the end to the government shutdown after the midterms. Jared Kushner. Who facilitated the Abraham Accords. Jared Kushner. He, he was a huge part of the first admin, and he's back in the second admin. Who gave Iran the ultimatum in the middle of February? Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff. So he's playing.

Jake (31:38)

There are two people with, with allegiance to Israel. They sent two people, allegiance to Israel to go negotiate a deal with Iran. And I hear they were meeting all the demands still. And Trump just bombed in the middle of a negotiation. Just sick. Yeah, negotiate, exactly.

Nick (31:53)

And that, that's always the, that's always the rub is, you think you're getting Trump, but in reality, you're getting all these people behind him. You're getting the. The Kushner, you're getting this, the Howard Lutnick, the Steve Witkoff. You're getting all these other elements behind the scenes. And, you know, so, you know, whether Epstein, whether that was a real tip, or he's just talking on email, it's true. I mean, that's 100 how it works.

Jake (32:19)

I looked that one like. Well, it's true, regardless of how credible that source is. So he's gotten himself in such a mess, like, because if he just walks away, you know, we lose the war. It's embarrassing, but it obviously would be better for America. But if he stays in there, America's gonna suffer. People are gonna have a hard time paying for gas. I've had three people this week tell me they can't afford gas. So these are things that these elites don't think about. People are struggling to. What's Trump's move?

Nick (32:44)

Well, here's the thing, unfortunately, and people have a hard time with this. Once he bombed Iran, things have changed now. It's different now. Before you drop the bombs, you could do any number of things, but now that Iran has closed off the Strait, now that we have killed the Supreme Leader, it's just different now. And Trump, let's just be realistic. He just doesn't have as many options as he did a few weeks ago. So, you know, I say this, and other people say we should just pack it up and leave. Well, you can't really do that. If we're being realistic and not, you know, in fantasy land where there's no repercussions for our actions. You can't just leave.

Jake (33:23)

Why the mess now?

Nick (33:25)

If you just leave now, we have no deterrence now. We have no credibility. How are we going to get a deal in Ukraine? How are we going to deter China in Taiwan? How are we going to facilitate whatever we're doing in Venezuela and Cuba? We have no credibility. So if we just pack it up and leave, Iran now controls the Strait of Hormuz. This is a catastrophe. They have reestablished deterrence. We can realistically not go back and attack them at any point. So they're emboldened. You could say they're more hardline and more defiant than ever. This is just like, infinitely worse than before. And we've lost deterrence for all of these other conflicts that we're trying to facilitate elsewhere. So I think if you're Trump and. And this has been my. My forecast for the Past few weeks, he is looking for an opportunity to get some kind of a victory so that we can find the off ramp. And so maybe that means we take one of the islands. Maybe it means it can be symbolic, it can be minor. We just need to notch a victory, get Iran to agree to some terms so that we can leave without a complete humiliation. And that seems to be the most, that seems to be the best option right now, if you're being realistic, if you're the President. Unfortunately, though, I just don't see how you're going to do that because we are losing and we don't have any of the cards. And any way that we can escalate it will be delivered right back to us in kind. You know, if we bomb Iran's infrastructure, they hit the Gulf, we bomb their salinate desalination power plants, they do it to Saudi Arabia. So there just seems to be sparingly little we can do to save face. And so you just wonder what, what kind of operation they can cook up that can thread the needle like that and get us out of here.

Jake (35:12)

Yeah. I was thinking, if I was his adviser, how would I advise him to get out of this mess? And I didn't have any good answers. I was just pondering, being like, wow, like every option's bad. You know, I wish he would just apologize. That obviously isn't going to happen. Be like, sorry, guys, oops.

Nick (35:25)

Yeah. I mean, and here's the thing. The, the real, realistically, actually, let me, let me amend what I just said. If you really got to the, to the fundamentals, the way that you end the conflict is you put Israel in their place. If you're Trump and you're looking at the set of options before you right now, maybe you'd say escalate to deescalate. I would probably agree. That's really all you can do. But if you really want to solve this, do you know what Iran is saying? Iran is saying we don't want a truce, we don't want a cease fire. Why? Well, obviously they want some form of a truce. What they don't want is a 30 day reprieve for Israel and the US to replenish their munition stores and then launch another attack because Iran has the advantage. So what Iran is saying is we want a permanent end to the fighting. We want confidence. You're not going to do this again. Well, what is driving the conflict between us and Iran is Israel. So if you want to give Iran assurances and open up the strait, the road to that runs through Israel. You have to break the back of Israel so that they don't continue egging the sun and provoking Iran. Only then can you give the assurances necessary to Iran to have a permanent cessation of hostilities. If you want to end the fighting, that's what you do. And we solve it tomorrow. But it's. It's just that Washington is literally not able to do that.

Jake (36:46)

Yeah, I think it's very important to point out the two. Like you said, Iran. Iran is also in a very tough situation. They can't just, you know, sign a ceasefire or we're going to come in and attack them again. We keep doing it. We've been humiliating them for years. They have to make it where we're scared to want to go to war with them again. They have to.

Nick (37:00)

Exactly.

Jake (37:01)

People thought they're in stop right away. I'm like, no, they have no choice but to go out, either die or try. And they're doing better than I thought. They're doing pretty well. Like, I don't know what you're. There was the rescue mission. Some people say they think that was a failed ground invasion. Do you have any thoughts on that? Because I guess they tried bringing. I guess it was 100 and something miles away from where the crash was. Yeah, I mean, cargo jets. I don't really know much about that, so.

Nick (37:23)

Yeah, me neither. And there's really no way to know because there's so much propaganda. But I mean, there's some credible speculation based on the losses that were suffered. We lost a lot of equipment and. And people also said that the C130 cargo transport aircraft, they had to be scuttled. Apparently they were flown in to bring a bunch of special operators to rescue the pilots. They were hit, the planes were hit and could not be flown back out. So we had to scuttle them. We had to destroy them to prevent them from falling into the hands of the Iranians. Well, those C130s were closer to Isfahan, which is where the highly enriched uranium is buried, than they were to where the pilots allegedly went down in the mountain ridges. And like five times closer to Isfahan than where the pilots were. So that's where some of the speculation comes from.

Jake (38:12)

Yeah, I think it's through mountains, too. So it seems unlikely that some pilot went like 100 miles through mountains in Iran. Last thing, it's a mountainous region. You can't just invade these for the ground invasion. If we send ground troops in for ground invasion, there's thousands, maybe tens of thousands, Americans might die and we just don't have the stomach. The country's already against it. It would turn so hard against it. So I think Trump knows this and wants an off ramp like you said, but he wants to build it, say some kind of vict. Iran doesn't want to give him anything. I don't know. I really hope they negotiate something before tonight because he's threatening just pure evil.

Nick (38:45)

I hope so too, but I don't see how it happens because Iran keeps saying we're not going to accept a ceasefire. And what they are after then is like these big concessions. They want America to give them reparations, give them the straight, shut down all their bases. So as of yesterday, Iran said, we just don't even want to talk anymore. Now they're saying, well, a deal is about to happen tonight. And what they're saying is it's just going to be an extension of the deadline by two weeks, so they could really get down to brass tax and iron out a deal. I don't know how much I believe that, but I, I guess we'll see what happens.

Jake (39:17)

Yeah, I'm just going to pray for a deal. So I don't want Americans to die, I don't want Iranians to die, I don't want our economy to a tank. There's just literally nothing good in my, in my view, you probably agree, not a single good thing from America. It's also a little humiliating. Like, we disagreed on the Venezuela operation, but it was impressive. It was, it made America look mighty unstoppable. This has embarrassed us. Yeah, well, anymore, you're right.

Nick (39:41)

And it's a perfect contrast because you look at the Venezuela operation, it was decisive, it was quick. We had a stated objective, we completed it, we didn't lose any lives, it didn't cost any money. We got what we wanted. It was in our region. You could articulate the benefits for America. None of that can be said about this. No clear objectives, not competent, not decisive, taking way too long, taking the economy, it's all the way over there. No benefits. People are dying, hundreds are injured. It's like. So, yeah, I know we disagreed, but at the minimum, you could say a case could be made that Venezuela is not Iran. Like, there were some benefits that could have accrued. This is just a complete disaster, unmitigated catastrophe and, and deeply humiliating because we just look like a joke.

Jake (40:30)

It's been so humiliating for, as an American, it's humiliated our country. I think Trump got overconfident from that and like, yeah, we could do this. And I heard there was reports of, like, CIA and stuff saying, like, hey, we don't think this is. They're not going to have a revolution after this. But Trump just didn't listen. Didn't. Only a few of them, like, secretly negotiated because, like, I don't know who it was, like Mark Rubio, they didn't even tell very many people launched it. There's all the firing of the military generals. I think it's people that aren't wanting to do the war. Do you have any insight why they're firing all these generals?

Nick (40:59)

Yeah. The New York Times said today that when the decision was made to launch the war, it was because of this big push by the Israelis in the middle of February. And they said that the Israelis basically misrepresented this. They told Trump that Iran was going to undergo an uprising and we would easily prevent them from taking the strait, destroy all their missiles. All these things that have not happened. Like, Iran did close the strait. We can't destroy all their missiles, and they didn't have an uprising. The Israelis said all that would be easy. And they said that every American general warned Trump that this would happen. Every American general said, you're not going to get regime change. They're going to close the strait. We're not going to be able to destroy all their missiles. Trump ignored all of them. And this is true. I think, you know this is true because in the weeks leading up to the war, I remember specifically the generals were planting stories in the papers, like in the Washington Post, saying, we do not believe in this. There is no decisive strike. We don't support it. This is gonna be a disaster. So from inside the regime, they were telegraphing, this isn't gonna work. It was almost like an sos. So, and I imagine that generals are being fired because they're not giving Trump the options that he wants, which is he wants to get the highly enriched uranium. He wants to invade Carg Island. Maybe they're talking about a tactical nuke. Who knows?

Jake (42:21)

Anything is possible right now, but it is possible. I mean, that would be truly sick. But it is possible.

Nick (42:28)

It's a non zero chance. I wouldn't say it's high, but I would say it's a non zero chance.

Jake (42:32)

I would agree, but this just gets sick thinking about if America would do that. It's like we're the bad guys in this situation, and I really. Unfortunately, we're probably not going to change course for a while, but hopefully we're wrong and he'll get a deal tonight. And everything goes good. So what, what do you have next? When I first met you, you were toxic. I remember. Let me get you on a couple podcasts. I called 10 of my friends only. Hodgkins, Matt Spectum, they're the only people that had the balls talk to you. I'm not gonna say any names, but everyone's like, no one would have anything to do with you now. People are constantly hitting me up. I'm like, dude, I'm not his booking agent. Always. I, I, I hate it. A couple times. I usually don't even respond, you're not big enough podcast. I'm just constantly being like, can you get a Nick on my show? Can you get Nick on my show? You're, like, the most popular guy. Everyone wants you now. That must feel a little weird.

Nick (43:13)

Yeah, it feels good. I mean, it's. I, I try to do as much as I can, or at least I was last year. Now I'm trying to be a little more mellow, honestly. I feel I have a lot of plans and I have a lot of ideas for where I want to take everything, and I'm working on some things with my nonprofit. But I have to tell you, I feel very demoralized lately. I, and I know I need to overcome that. People don't want to hear that if they consider me a leader or the leader, but it's, it's hard not to get demoralized when you see that what we're doing seems to almost have no effect on the outcomes. You know, it's, it's hard to imagine that Trump got elected and, but, but it's nothing.

Jake (43:54)

They don't listen to anything. They're just saying, you of all of us. So it's like, yeah, thanks to, like, you putting all this work in coming in, we completely changed the whole. People, like, don't support Israel anymore, but doesn't matter.

Nick (44:06)

Well, and, and I would say adding on to that, because I was about to say what you just said, but to take it a step further, it's even the people that are Israel critical or know the relevant facts, even they are just getting tricked all the time. Even they are. Are being misled all the time. Yeah. So you just say, at what point do you realize we're kind of cooked and maybe it needs to get worse before it gets better. Not to sound like an accelerationist, but timing is everything, and sometimes it's just not the right time. So you say, maybe we got to learn the hard way.

Jake (44:38)

Yeah, I'm feeling a little demoralized as well, it sucks, but the country's not heading the right direction. Almost 40 trillion in debt. That's like no one ever talks about that. That's not a good thing. I don't think people understand like that's going to cause inflation I would think because what do they got to do? They got to print more money. Interest going to keep going up and it comes at some point, what do we do? The country just goes bankrupt. Well, trying to bankrupt the country.

Nick (45:01)

There are some people. I remember my government teacher in high school was like, well we, the debt can be as high as we want it to be. That doesn't matter. You know there's some people that promulgate this modern monetary theory where they say the debt doesn't matter. But it's like, okay, interest rates are going up. We have $40 trillion debt. How do you think we're going to service that debt with high interest rates? You know, eventually we're going to be paying more in interest on the debt than our military costs cost, than our entitlements cost. And you just get buried alive in this stuff. So there is limit and then you have the de dollarization which is overstated. But gradually there is going to be less and less demand for the US dollar. So our borrowing potential is not unlimited. It's constrained by demand and it's constrained by interest to service the debt. So yeah, it's like, you know, I don't know. I don't know how any of these things are going to get solved anytime soon. Yeah.

Jake (45:55)

And I'm skeptical of the stock market, bitcoin and the real estate market right now and the dollar is going down. So it's like I've worked hard to make money in my life. I'm looking. Everything could just like fall apart. You start being like damn, it's I don't know where. Let me go through and read a few of these super chats.

Nick (46:10)

Oh great.

Jake (46:12)

Yeah, my audience if you want Nick for sure.

Nick (46:14)

Yeah.

Jake (46:17)

Your super chat. I love the super chats on your show. I just watch clips. Sometimes people post it. You're just going off on your fans. It's pretty hilarious.

Nick (46:23)

I hate them, but it's okay. But that's all right.

Jake (46:27)

I was just say I told you right before because like it be hilarious if you just didn't show today and like gotcha. I would have had you just laugh.

Nick (46:34)

No, I wouldn't do that.

Jake (46:36)

Yeah. What's this guy say? Topic suggestions. Oh, he's giving us topic suggestions. Let's see what he's got. Potential nuke drop in the future as early as tonight? Nah, not tonight. Well, I hope not tonight. Trump impeachment. Yeah. That's interesting because there hasn't been that big. I think they're finally starting to be a call of impeachment. But even the Democrats were mostly silent until the last couple days. It just shows you they're all controlled. You know, the two party system's almost a there. He has a lot of topics for us, this guy, like, oh, wow, I'm gonna hire or miss my. Among those who are generally America first. God bless you, gentlemen. Well, thank you. So, yeah, we kind of talked about the nuke already. He said potentially. And I, I think I would be shocked. You never know with Trump though. Anything's possible with Trump.

Nick (47:25)

Yeah, I think he, you know, I've said this for a long time. I have a suspicion that he might want to do that, but it just seems too radical even for him. But I, you know, I don't know that I'd rule it out now.

Jake (47:36)

Yeah, I don't even know how would we react as a country if we did. It's like, what do we even do? That's why it's been so demoralizing, because I think what do. What are our next steps? And I don't have a good answer for that. If you get some good answers, let me know, give me a call and we can brainstorm some ideas. Because I'm. It's. I think it sounds like you're in the same position as me being like, what are the next steps? So I thought the information board was going to be like, oh, that'll solve it. It's not looking like. Have you considered inviting Joseph at Will, author of Caesar's Messiah onto your. So I will keep super chatting this request. I think that's for being out you. I don't know who that is. You know who that is?

Nick (48:14)

I do not know.

Jake (48:15)

Well, I will look him up. I don't know who it is, but I'll look him up. What do we have? Yes, the guy just sent a gift. Thank you. The world didn't deserve. I don't understand what that is. I don't know if it's talking, so I'm not going to read if people Talk. Judah received 30 pieces of silver from APAC Judas.

Nick (48:42)

So true

Jake (48:45)

thoughts on the ceasefire announcement? Just announced, but I guess was it. Did you. That's what this guy said. Do you trust Trump?

Nick (48:52)

Trump, though, I don't know was it actually announced or. Oh yeah, here we go. Yeah, this is breaking the US and Iran reached an 11th hour ceasefire on Tuesday evening, hours after Trump threatened to start wiping out a whole civilization. Agreement was announced by Trump on social media hours after Pakistan urged Trump to stand down. Let me see what his post says.

Jake (49:19)

See what Trump tweets about it. His psycho deranged tweets.

Nick (49:23)

Yeah. Literally have to go to true social.

Jake (49:25)

Yeah. Or true social.

Nick (49:27)

Here we go. Okay, let me read it to you. So it says, based on conversation of the Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif of Pakistan, wherein they requested I hold off the destructive force being sent tonight to Iran. And subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to complete immediate and safe opening of the strait. Oh, subject to Iran opening up the strait. I agree to suspend the bombing and attack Iran for a period of two weeks. This will be a double sided ceasefire. Yeah, go ahead. So.

Jake (49:52)

Yeah, it's not even a real. It's just a joke, right? That's what it sounds like to me.

Nick (49:57)

Well, it's. I don't. It doesn't sound like Iran agreed to it.

Jake (50:00)

Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me too. Unless I was misunderstanding that. That's. It sounds like he's just saying it.

Nick (50:06)

Yeah.

Jake (50:07)

Let's just tell Trump he won. They can leave the straight open.

Nick (50:11)

Yeah, that's it. I. I don't even. Yeah, I mean, we'll have to take. I'll look at that before my show tonight. But that doesn't even sound like Iran agreed to it.

Jake (50:17)

It sounds like it didn't sound like that either. That's exactly my take. He's fighting a war to open the straight. That was already open.

Nick (50:25)

Yeah, right.

Jake (50:26)

Okay.

Nick (50:26)

He says, so, well then, well, they need to open up the straight. It's like, well, they, they haven't. So I don't. And he says we're going to hold off for two weeks. It's like, well, why do we, why do we need to wait two weeks if they open up the straight? I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Jake (50:41)

Trust the plan.

Nick (50:42)

Yeah. Right.

Jake (50:43)

8D chess, whatever it is. Yeah. At this point with the war going so badly, they have to false flag nuke the US or Europe to say, see, we told you Iran's going to. To use the nukes. I don't think they would go that far, but anything's possible.

Nick (50:59)

I doubt it.

Jake (50:59)

A lot of things I didn't think, you know, I remember woke up, we were bombing Iran. I was like, wait, we really did this? And. Yeah. Why are you and Sneako always fighting

Nick (51:11)

I don't know, man. He's a little. Well, you know what? I just want us to not fight. I love Sneako. He's my homeboy.

Jake (51:18)

Yeah, the party, I guess. Tell the story of when I got in a fight. I was. I was. I thought like a druggie, but someone was like swearing how great ketamine is, and I'm like, oh, I do this tiny little thing and I kind of forgot Nico. Is he calling? So I grabbed him like, oh, yeah, what up, Sneako? He's like, oh. So he did tell me he was on air, to be fair. And we started chatting and that's when I talk about the sweater and stuff. And I'm. I have the phone. I'm like, oh, I really. How up. It was like, oh, I think I just talked about Nick. Should I call Sneako and have him take it down? And then looked online and it was like already everywhere. I'm like, yeah.

Nick (51:50)

Oh, good. Hey, it's all water under the bridge now.

Jake (51:52)

No, that's why I was glad we were able to laugh about it. And we don't hold grudges because you went off on me a few times too, but. Exactly. I hold zero, zero resentment. And people kept trying to get us to keep fighting on both of our sides. That's when I realized you don't want to block all these people because they're trying to drive us. And some of them might even be bad actors. They might not really be. Of course. They're really just trying to push me and you to keep fighting. That could be deliberate. Maybe not. Because it'd be that people like seeing a fight. That's. Once I realized that, I'm like, okay, just from now on, I just block anyone. Yeah, we haven't fought since.

Nick (52:22)

Yeah, there you go.

Jake (52:24)

It worked. So, yeah. Anything? The best. Nothing really positive. It sounds like I want to end with a positive note. I'm thinking, I guess the next election, the bit. Yeah, midterms. I guess I'll probably not vote. I might would vote Democratic my first time. Just to say you to them.

Nick (52:47)

Yeah, that's the positive. We're Democrats now and Democrats are going to win, so we get to be winners. So I'm looking forward to that.

Jake (52:54)

Yeah, we're going to win, finally. That's actually. We're going to be Democrats and win Publican party. Almost might be worse. I was making fun of Richard Spencer for. Because he was a Kamala. He was right. I need to call him and apologize. In the end, I'm like, I was just teasing, like Come on, you're really. They call him like the white supremacist. He was pushing for the black girl. She was just so awful. That was alternative.

Nick (53:19)

Yeah, she was horrible. But, you know, two bad options. That's why I didn't vote. I just said it. I don't like either of the options.

Jake (53:27)

No, I couldn't see myself voting for Kamala. Yes. The midterms. The Democrats will probably take it. Nothing will happen. But I think. Do you. Okay, obviously we got to start pushing a bunch of anti Israel Republicans. Do you think this is a realistic strategy that can make change? Obviously it would take time over like 10 years. Or do you think the country's too far, too far gone? I guess it's got to be rebuilt at some point.

Nick (53:52)

Well, I, you know, I'll support Israel, critical Republicans, but, you know, I really think that's just kind of eating around the crust. It's. It's kind of, you know, we're working around the edges of it. We got to get to the center of it, which is we need to build a real political movement. We need donors, we need infiltrators. We. We just need elite human capital, the leaders of society to get red pilled. Because I, I don't really believe in any kind of electoral solution. I don't believe in convincing the masses. It's sort of the. The public opinion is downstream from the institutions, from the elites, what is being promulgated by the media. The media is controlled by the money. The money is dictated by who controls the emergent technology. So it's like by the time you get to what the fucking stupid normies think and what they'll vote for, it's like the revolution has already happened. You know, the revolution happened many steps behind when the public changed their mind about an issue or whatever, when he saw it on TikTok. So I think we just need to kind of reorient our focus and think structurally, how are we going to create the movement that delivers the victory? So that's kind of what I've been focused on.

Jake (55:03)

Yeah. No, we need radical change. And like, obviously keep me updated in what you're doing. But when I was thinking about running, I called a campaign finance manager and they wanted me to, like, throw a million dollars, my own money, and right away to start it off. And like, that's a good amount of money. So to even get started to maybe win, you got to start to have a million dollars to get your campaign going. It's like, it's not. This explains why everyone's Bought. And it's not just apac. That's. That's probably the biggest one. But the pharmaceutical companies, the. Our government pretty much only works for corporate interest. I'm a capitalist, obviously, but I think there needs to be some checks and balances. I was just in Vietnam, Communist country. And they're thriving. They have, like, an 8.6 GDP growth a year. We're at, like, 2.2. You know, things are getting up. No. Homeless. I'm not endorsing communism. But you're like, okay, maybe there's some few things that are positive.

Nick (55:54)

Right. But even still, what can one representative do? We have Thomas Massie, and he. He's good. But at the end of the day, you're not gonna get a huge contingent. I don't think it's not worthwhile. I think we should try to get a contingent to people that, you know, even if we have five or ten or fifteen congressmen or something. But I'm more interested in the deep state. I'm more interested in getting guys in the supply chains, you know, the acquisition process and the regulatory agencies. I want to get guys in Washington that become part of the business, permanent bureaucratic class that. That seems to be where the seat of the power is, because the representatives come and go, and they're very fragile, and they're very subject to the changing political winds. If you want a more enduring and lasting influence, you kind of need to look deeper at where the power actually lies. And that's. That's among the staffers, that's among the bureaucrats.

Jake (56:42)

Yeah, I think you just nailed it right there. That's figured out. And that's not an easy thing to infiltrate at all. But that might be the moves. And I think. I think you tell your workers, right, to, like, infiltrate sometimes. Don't talk about it. That might be the move to kind of slowly come in, infiltrate the system, and take it back. And it's gonna. It's gonna take time. Either the country's gonna collapse, or It'll be like 10 years. But we have to just stay hopeful. So. Yeah. Thanks so much. Anything you want to add or where can people find you? You're only on Rumble, right?

Nick (57:08)

I'm only on Rumble. Yeah. I'm on Twitter and Rumble, and I'll be live later tonight in a few hours.

Jake (57:13)

It's also impressive that you're able to stay so popular with just Rumble. And you didn't have that for a while, weren't you? Where were you? You had cozy tv. You had to build. Did you have to build Your own thing?

Nick (57:23)

I did, yeah. It was my own platform, and that was the only way I could stream. I was. There was nothing else I was even allowed to stream on at that point.

Jake (57:32)

Yeah, you had to literally build your own program. You had to find ways to make money, but you were dedicated, man. You put. How many years? When did you start?

Nick (57:40)

2017. So, yeah, it's been a long. It's a long time, Jake. It's been a long time. It's been tough, but I'm hanging in there. I'm just, like, ready to retire. I'm ready. I'm like, man, I'm. You know, I'm ready to pass the baton to the next class. I know I'm still young. I got to stay in it, but it's like, you gotta.

Jake (57:59)

You gotta stay in a few more years. Yeah, so much for waking people up. But that's done. No good. That's the frustrating.

Nick (58:06)

Exactly. It's like, you know, you try. You do these things, and it just seems like nothing ever changes. But that's life.

Jake (58:14)

Well, like, you and Keith woods were the guys that really, like, kind of knew. But watching you guys, because you made it in a way that didn't sound like Jewish friends and stuff. So when you first hear these things and you're always taught anti Semite is bad, so you're like, oh, that's up. But I heard you guys speaking, pointing out little things. And then I would start looking up what you guys would say, see if it's true, and look it up. And look it up. That's when I was like, whoa. And then it was even worse than I thought.

Nick (58:37)

Yeah, exactly.

Jake (58:38)

Yeah. Yeah. Rumble, they don't promote you. That kind of pisses me off, do they?

Nick (58:44)

Yeah.

Jake (58:46)

Yeah.

Nick (58:46)

You know, I. I have good relations with Rumble now, but they're under a lot of pressure because I'm on the platform. I can't say too much, but they're under a lot of pressure even just for having me on there. So I can't look a gift horse in the mouth. I. I gotta get what I can take, I guess. Which sucks, because that. That's not me. I need more. I want more. I want what I'm entitled to, but I just have to, like, settle for the charity.

Jake (59:14)

Yeah, go ahead. You should have a fucking bank. You should be able to be on YouTube. You should, like. I was mad at the kickoff. It wasn't his fault. Like, why the fuck can't Nick get paid? That's fucked up. And. Oh, never mind.

Nick (59:22)

Sorry.

Jake (59:23)

Be mad at you. Why can't you be on YouTube? Why can't. Like, I'm more extreme than you now Sometimes. Maybe not, but Dan is, like. He's allowed. Yeah. Dan makes us be like, oh, yeah, my friend's crazy.

Nick (59:34)

Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, I know. It sucks. Yeah. All right, Nick.

Jake (59:40)

Thanks so much for coming on and, yeah, hit me up whenever.

Nick (59:44)

Likewise, man. Great talking to you. I'll see you.

Jake (59:46)

Okay. See you.

Nick (59:47)

All right. See ya.

Jake (60:01)

It.