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Episode: “Aliens Invented Religion To Control Humanity!”—Top Philosopher Jason Jorjani
Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Jesse Michels
Guest: Dr. Jason Reza Jorjani

Episode Overview

Jesse Michels sits down with philosopher Jason Reza Jorjani to explore the provocative thesis that UFOs, aliens, and non-human intelligences (NHIs) have shaped human civilization—especially through religion and hierarchical control systems. Jorjani draws from historical records, philosophy, and esoteric lore, arguing that what we call "aliens" may be the same intelligences that have appeared as gods and angels throughout history. The conversation weaves together ancient myths, suppressed technologies, parapsychology, and modern UFO lore, culminating in a radical re-interpretation of human history and the challenges of "disclosure."

Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Historical UFO Events and Human Control Systems

• UFO Battles and Societal "Resets"

  • Jorjani opens with references to mysterious aerial battles witnessed over Europe before the Renaissance, as recorded in contemporary broadsheets (00:00–00:35, 51:20). He suggests these “battles” may reflect larger struggles between factions vying to shape human progress.
  • Quote: “It’s interesting that immediately before the Renaissance you had these huge UFO battles over various European cities… What a lot of people are concerned about… is that the bad guys won.” — Jorjani [00:00]

• The “Control System” & Religion

  • Jorjani asserts that religious systems—especially revealed religions—may be products of alien interventions meant to keep humanity subservient and unaware of its potential. He links biblical events (e.g., Moses, the Black Plague) to UFO activity, suggesting manipulation from above (00:44–01:56, 33:08–35:10).
  • Quote: “The UFO phenomenon is absolutely inseparable from both revealed religious systems like Judeo-Christianity and Islam, and also more archaic… religions like the religion of ancient Egypt or the Vedic tradition.” — Jorjani [33:08]

• Prometheus, Lucifer & the “Rebel Faction”

  • Drawing parallels across global mythologies, Jorjani identifies a recurring archetype: the “rebel angel” who seeks to lift up humanity, often punished by the overlord gods (35:10–38:00). Prometheus, Enki, Quetzalcoatl, and Lucifer all represent this opposition to the cosmic status quo.

2. Philosophical Underpinnings: Control through Knowledge & Scientific Paradigms

• The Politics of Paradigms

  • Jorjani and Michels discuss historical figures like Descartes and Kant. Both are accused of constructing philosophies (sometimes under institutional pressure) that divorced the material world from the spiritual/psychic, effectively ceding control over consciousness and psi abilities to institutional religion (06:45–11:37).
  • Quote: “Descartes was in the employ of people who were holier than the Pope… sent to infiltrate the Rosicrucian order and to develop a false scientific paradigm…” — Jorjani [10:13]

• Psi Phenomena, Parapsychology, and Institutional Collapse

  • Jorjani warns that mainstream acceptance of psychic phenomena (telepathy, psychokinesis, etc.) would be “an institutional apocalypse,” threatening privacy, legal systems, and the very foundations of social trust (13:35–20:30).

• Science as “Toolkits,” Not Truth

  • Building on Thomas Kuhn's philosophy, Jorjani argues that scientific paradigms are political and utilitarian—models for certain goals rather than accurate depictions of reality (23:51–30:35).
  • Quote: “Scientific paradigms… are not there to polish a mirror that provides us with an objective representation of some reality that’s out there… They’re toolkits for achieving different ends.” — Jorjani [28:50]

3. The UFO/Alien/Control System—Practical Evidence & Theories

• The “Breakaway Civilization”

  • Jorjani advances the theory that a human—or at least humanoid, “Nordic”—elite achieved advanced technology (including time travel and electrogravitic craft), seceded from mainstream civilization, and now manipulates history from a “hyperdimensional” vantage (44:50–48:53, 86:45–92:37).

• Mars, Moon, and Earth as Terraforming Sites

  • Drawing on remote viewing (Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle) and whistleblowers (Carl Wolf), Jorjani outlines a scenario in which an advanced humanlike race terraformed Earth (and possibly constructed the Moon as a “transport and terraforming device”) after a nuclear holocaust on Mars (62:43–67:10).
  • Quote: “He saw tall Nordic people… lording over armies of slave laborers… on the moon.” — Jorjani, recounting Ingo Swann’s testimony [65:11]

• The NHI “Psy-Op” and Master-Slave Dialectic

  • Jorjani is skeptical of the new “non-human intelligence” label for UFO entities, framing it as a psy-op to avoid acknowledging a master/slave relationship with a literally human (or post-human) elite that has passed itself off as gods, angels, or aliens across epochs (61:08–62:35).
  • Quote: “The deepest secret… is that the bad guys won… the masters… have so raised themselves above the common lot of humanity that they appear as angels or celestial beings or whatever… and that they've used that mask in order to keep us inside regressive belief systems and to render us useful to them.” — Jorjani [46:16, expanded 61:08–62:35]

4. Disclosure, Catastrophe, and the Future

• Why Disclosure Is Blocked

  • The guest contends that true disclosure (about both alien craft and psi phenomena) would destabilize all existing power structures and social systems—hence, institutions resist it at all costs (20:32, 148:13–149:31).

• Politics, Psychohistory, and the Prison of Paradigms

  • Jorjani identifies a “bottleneck” in human evolution: a caste of overlords, likely with advanced technology, stifling mass development of psi abilities and knowledge. He invokes Hegel and Marx’s theories of “master-slave dialectic,” paralleling them with cosmic control and possible opportunities for liberation (102:35–106:07, 137:24–138:57).

• AI, Simulation Theory, and Information Catastrophe

  • The discussion ventures into simulation theory, cosmology, and the role of advanced AI (either extraterrestrial or home-grown) in shaping reality. Jorjani predicts that the exponential growth of information may itself cause a physical catastrophe (121:49–125:49).
  • Quote: “I think we're headed for an information catastrophe. That's what [Melvin] Vopson says, is that we are accumulating data at such a rate that because that data is a hidden mass… we will face a geophysical catastrophe…” — Jorjani [125:29]

Notable Moments & Quotes

• On Religion as Alien Technology:
  • "It's very clear that... the Elohim in the Bible, or the rebel angels, the Nephilim... they're the same beings as the Anunnaki in Sumerian scriptures..." — Jorjani [33:08–35:10]
• Philosophy as Cover-up:
  • “Kant admits the reason he did this is that the stuff in Swedenborg is so disturbing it would destabilize society, including on a political level.” — Jorjani [06:45–09:33]
• On Disclosure and State Sovereignty:
  • “The nature of sovereignty is revealed in a state of emergency… none of the governments of Earth are sovereign and no government wants to come forward and say that.” — Jorjani [148:13–149:31]
• On Human Evolution and Mastery:
  • “Are Hegel and Marx right about the nature of alienation in terms of power structures sociologically? …Does some kind of a social and psychological revolution need to take place that dismantles this power structure?” — Jorjani [106:46–107:39]
• On Jeffrey Epstein, Genetics, and the UFO Elite:
  • “Epstein intended to inseminate [women] with fetuses that had superior genetics... at Zorro Ranch… He was involved in the evolutionary dynamics biology subprogram at Harvard... all part of the UFO phenomenon that they’re trying to crack.” — Jorjani [154:42–159:39]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–01:56: UFO battles before the Renaissance and influence on societal control
• 06:45–11:37: Descartes and Kant as philosophical agents of control; separation of science and spirit
• 13:35–20:30: Catastrophe of mainstreaming psi phenomena
• 20:32–23:03: Institutional apocalypse and catastrophic disclosure
• 23:51–30:35: Science, paradigm shifts, and the politics behind them
• 33:08–38:00: Religious archetypes (Prometheus/Lucifer/Enki) and origins of control
• 44:50–48:53 & 86:45–92:37: Breakaway civilization & time-traveling Nordic elites
• 61:08–62:35: Who are the NHIs? Master-slave dynamic and the cover-up
• 102:35–106:07: Hegel, Marx, and the cosmic master-slave dialectic
• 121:49–125:49: Simulation, information theory, and “information catastrophe”
• 148:13–149:31: State sovereignty and UFO secrecy
• 154:42–159:39: Epstein, genetics, Atlantis, and possible links to the UFO control system

Memorable/Provocative Quotes

• “We are dealing with a faction of humanity that’s positioned itself as a sort of overlord or master caste above the common herd. And they have adopted all kinds of guises and disguises to strategically deceive us for the sake of the preservation of their control system.” — Jorjani [85:59]
• “That’s what disclosure really hinges on… Until and unless this power structure is dismantled, we’re not going to get any disclosure.” — Jorjani [106:50]
• “Simulation can’t be dismissed: the best interpretation of wave-particle duality and the collapse of the wave function by the observer is that it’s a rendering optimization function.” — Jorjani [130:02]
• “Epstein was trying to create eugenically enhanced Nordic people at Zorro Ranch... Meanwhile, his aides... whose genetic material was being collected as part of some project... This fixation with Nordics and eugenic uses of biotechnology that then spins Epstein’s interest in gravity in the direction of... the UFO phenomenon.” — Jorjani [154:42–156:29]

Conclusion

Flow and Impact:
The episode delivers a deeply interwoven, multidisciplinary critique and reinterpretation of human history. Jorjani links ancient myths and religious traditions to modern UFOlogy, philosophical paradigms, and technological strivings. The central thesis—that a literal, technological master class manipulates history via religion, myth, and scientific dogma—poses tremendous implications for the future of spiritual, political, and scientific inquiry.

For Listeners:
If you haven't listened, expect a mind-bending account that connects everything from the Renaissance to Epstein, Kant to psi ops, and Plato’s Atlantis to Area 51. The conversation is provocative, dense, sometimes unsettling, but always intellectually expansive—pushing the boundaries of what heretical thinking can mean in the 21st century.

Guest References:

• Jason Jorjani Substack
• Books: Prometheus and Atlas, Closer Encounters, Prometheism, Lovers of Sophia
• Instagram: @jessemichels | Twitter: @alchemyamerican