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Jesse (1:06)

I think if this were a murder case, you'd have more than enough evidence.

James Fox (1:12)

Right here. The alien was alive in this bed right here. Knowing that you sat in the hospital room with a live captured alien and had direct telepathic communication.

Jesse (1:26)

You have the autopsy of this soldier who's died because he basically grabbed an alien being.

James Fox (1:41)

Every time I say something's impossible, therefore you know, it can't be, therefore it isn't, I've been proven wrong.

Jesse (1:50)

I'm here round two with James Fox, who I always say is my documentarian hero and now a friend. And I just really, I really appreciate you coming here because we're talking about, I think, maybe the most interesting case where you have a ufo, you have alien beings, and you have all of these witnesses in a town in Brazil, in Virginia, Brazil, as late as 1996. We're not talking about Roswell 70 plus years ago, or magenta or magenta, you know, 90 years ago. And you've just done an amazing job in this movie of documenting all of the, literally the flight path of the ufo. You know, three beings coming out of the UFO and them seeming sort of injured and afraid, maybe more and maybe more. And you show all of these witnesses coming from disparate places that have zero reason to lie, have not made a penny off of any of their testimony. And they're coming from this, you know, from Virginia, Brazil. They're not, you know, selling books at like a conference in the Southwest, in the US and like into the UFO lore. Like they don't really have pre existing notions of what these things even are.

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary

BREAKING: The Brazilian Army Captured A Live Alien From A UFO

American Alchemy with Jesse Michels — Guest: James Fox
Date: December 21, 2025

Overview

In this electrifying episode, Jesse Michels sits down with acclaimed UFO documentarian James Fox to dissect the astonishing events surrounding the 1996 Varginha UFO incident in Brazil. Their deep-dive focuses on new revelations from Fox's film, “Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters,” spotlighting claims that the Brazilian military recovered a crashed UFO and captured at least one live extraterrestrial being. The episode weaves first-hand witness testimony, whistleblower accounts, official secrecy, and wider UFO lore—including possible US intelligence involvement—into a compelling, controversial narrative.

Major Discussion Points

1. The Varginha Incident — High-Level Recap

[05:02 – 08:00 | 21:39 – 23:12]

In January 1996, multiple witnesses near Varginha, Brazil, saw a large cylindrical, cigar-shaped craft—the size of a school bus—that appeared to struggle mid-air before crashing.
- Eyewitness descriptions included a tear in the object and a white vapor or "acid" leaking out.
- “It was like a white vapor. Then it was clearly in distress.” — James Fox [07:00]
Debris was found, reportedly with unusual properties: feather-light, shape-restoring “metal” reminiscent of Roswell accounts.
UFO recovery effort: Brazilian military quickly cordoned off the area, and multiple witnesses, including local farmers and a geography professor/pilot, faced immediate intimidation.
- Carlos de Souza, who arrived at the crash, was confronted and threatened by “Men in Black”-type agents.
- “Are you Mr. Carlos de Souza, married to so-and-so, your daughter so-and-so… If you ever talk about it, things will get very weird for you.” — De Souza (via Fox) [12:03]

2. Eyewitnesses: Children, Civilians, and Professionals

[22:07 – 30:10 | 43:21 – 49:49]

Most famously, three young girls encountered a strange “oily-skinned, horned being” huddled against a wall, about eight feet away.
- “Its eyes were super wide and red.” — Eyewitness/Victim [22:26]
- Witnesses and their families faced ridicule, intimidation, and an attempted payoff by “Men in Black.” They never recanted.
Firefighters and military police reportedly captured at least two entities:
- One was netted and taken by the fire department—heard “crying like a child.”
- “They captured it with a net like they would with a wild animal or something. So wild. But it was screaming like a little baby.” — James Fox [22:58]
- The second, according to testimony and autopsy reports, fatally infected a military police officer (Marco Cherezi) with an unknown, aggressive bacteria after physical contact.
- “Never before, never since… This was an advanced bacteria that did things nothing on Earth does.” — James Fox [31:13]
Multiple civilian, medical, and law enforcement sources describe seeing the being or evidence of it transported through local hospitals.

3. Hospital Testimony: Direct Contact with a Live Alien

[43:21 – 54:38, 54:51 – 59:57]

Dr. Italo Venturelli, Chief Neurosurgeon at Hospital Regional, describes spending 3-4 minutes alone in a room with the captured being.
- “I looked into its eyes. Its face was white, its eyes were red. A communication—as if to say, ‘I am okay. I received care.’ It spoke without speaking.” — Dr. Venturelli (via Fox) [44:47]
- Fox: "Knowing that you sat in the hospital room in the ICU with a live captured alien and had direct telepathic communication… doesn’t get any more incredible than that." [53:19]
- Dr. Venturelli came forward after health scares—out of conscience.
- He described the being as angelic, compassionate, and advanced: "Way more advanced than anything on Earth, way more advanced than myself. There's so much to learn from the eyes of that being." — Dr. Venturelli (via Fox) [55:04, 56:06]
Venturelli’s neurosurgeon colleague performed a medical procedure (likely cranial pressure relief from trauma) on the being. That colleague has since passed away.

4. Military & Intelligence Involvement—Secrecy and Intimidation

[13:08 – 19:24 | 24:30 – 25:15 | 34:24 – 38:06]

Witnesses were systematically threatened—sometimes by men appearing foreign or carrying foreign currency.
- “If you ever talk about it, things are going to get weird for you. Not that we’re going to hunt you down and kill you. They’re going to get very weird for you.” — Fox, describing "Men in Black" warnings [13:37]
High-level officials, including local police and hospital executives, confirm unusual military activity and visitation from “foreign” (possibly U.S.) operatives.
The wife of deceased military officer Marco Cherezi had to sue to obtain her husband’s autopsy report, which revealed anomalous infection.

5. Parallel & Precedent Cases; Broader UFO Government Secrecy

[14:17 – 19:24 | 109:47 – 116:25]

Fox and Jesse compare Men in Black activity at Varginha to similar intimidation of witnesses in Phoenix Lights and other major cases.
Notable crossovers:
- American operatives possibly involved in recovery and cover-up (USAF craft sightings, air traffic controller testimony, FOIA attempts) [78:52-83:32]
- Other historic "crash retrieval" whistleblowers—Jonathan Weygant, Philip Corso, military pilots—parallel Brazilian case testimony in issues of secrecy, intimidation, and evidence suppression.

6. Themes of Trauma, Integrity, & Motivation

[42:06 – 42:55 | 52:00 – 54:38 | 54:51 – 56:39]

Many witnesses carry visible emotional scars, fear, and grief from their experiences.
- “I looked into this guy’s eyes, and I just saw eyes of someone that I’d never seen before… If you can imagine harboring or witnessing a murder and having to be quiet about it for the better part of 30 years...” — James Fox [42:06]
Both host and guest repeatedly emphasize that none of these witnesses sought fame or profit.

Notable Quotes & Emotional Highlights

James Fox on Dr. Italo Venturelli’s Credibility:
“He runs a chain of hospitals. He, you know, people are, their lives are on the line. Works on people’s brains. He’s a neurosurgeon, he’s a concert pianist… all the incentives are for him not revealing any of this.” [54:38]
On Autopsy Evidence:
“Never before, never since. This was an advanced bacteria… nothing on Earth, no bacteria on Earth does.” — James Fox [31:13]
On the Growing Weight of Testimony:
“If this were a murder case, you’d have more than enough evidence that the lockdown… This would be far beyond the threshold of evidence you’d need.” — Jesse [52:00]
On American Involvement:
“A specific aircraft belonging to the United States Air Force landed there… they collected something no one knows what it was.” — Air Traffic Controller testimony [79:06]
On Integrity and the Search for Truth:
“Don’t hide. Don’t treat us like children. Don’t hide the truth… Every man, woman and child has a right to know what the bigger picture is.” — James Fox [131:03]
On the Power of the Community:
“We all as a community need to work together, need to be kinder to one another, need to respect one another, particularly with those that we disagree with.” — James Fox [133:13]

Key Timestamps and Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|-------| | 05:02 – 10:45 | Detailed account of the UFO crash and witnessed object | | 12:03 – 13:08 | Carlos de Souza threatened by “Men in Black” | | 22:07 – 28:47 | The three girls’ close encounter with the being | | 29:10 – 31:55 | Soldier grabs being, dies of infection; medical testimony/autopsy | | 43:21 – 48:39 | Interview with Dr. Italo Venturelli: ICU alien encounter | | 54:51 – 56:39 | Psychological & emotional after-effects on witnesses | | 78:52 – 83:34 | US Air Force involvement, FOIA blockages, CIA's role | | 109:47 – 116:25 | Philip Corso, past crash retrieval testimony | | 131:03 – 133:13 | Plea for government transparency; impact on society |

Memorable/Haunting Moments

[44:21] “I looked into the creature’s eyes. Its face was white, its eyes were red… Communication, as if to say, ‘I am okay. I received care.’ It spoke without speaking.” — Dr. Italo Venturelli (via Fox)
[56:06] “We have so much to learn in the eyes of this being.” — Dr. Italo & James Fox
[22:58] "They captured it with a net like they would with a wild animal... But it was screaming like a little baby." — James Fox
[31:13] “He said the bacteria most likely came from under the nail of the E.T… This was an advanced bacteria that did things that nothing on earth does.” — James Fox

The Broader Context

Patterns of Suppression: “Men in Black” intimidation, legal obstruction, and whistleblower retaliation are repeated themes—paralleling incidents in the United States.
Disparate yet Overlapping Testimonies: Dozens of unrelated local civilians, medical and law enforcement officials, and even American pilots and air traffic controllers contributed consistent, intersecting accounts.
Continued Unfolding: Fox emphasizes that he and others are still actively pursuing even more direct evidence, and that new witnesses from the medical and military communities are beginning to come forward.

Closing Thoughts & Tone

This conversation is urgent, electric, and emotionally fraught. Both Jesse and James express awe at the courage of witnesses, frustration with government obfuscation, and deep humility about the ultimate mystery. The tone is passionate, occasionally skeptical but mostly respectful—treating the claims and evidence as worthy of serious, open-minded inquiry.

Closing Quote:
“I feel like my whole career has culminated to this moment right now… We all as a community need to work together, be kinder, need to respect each other, particularly those we disagree with… We’re stronger together.” — James Fox [133:13]

Further Resources

Watch "Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters"
Explore additional whistleblower interviews, FOIA documents, and historical UFO case files mentioned throughout the episode for context.
Visit American Alchemy merch site for thematic merchandise.

For anyone new to the Varginha case or focused on UFO disclosure, this episode delivers essential, first-hand perspectives and genuinely new evidence to digest.

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