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In this week's American Alchemy, we interview Tom O'Neill, author of the new bestselling book Chaos: Charles Manson, The CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties. O'Neill and I went to Spahn Ranch, the famous old western movie set in Chatsworth California where the Mansons lived plotted a lot of their murders. We go through his book and its crazy thesis: that Charles Manson could have been an MK Ultra patient. What do you think?

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