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“I Saw a Mantis Alien At THIS American Military Base!” -Army Sergeant Lyn Buchanan
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Lyn Buchanan
If we develop our psychic ability, we are going to be a power in the universe because we can see way into the future anywhere in space. That's why our friends want us out there and our enemies don't want us off this planet.
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Jesse
You have experienced so much both in the world of remote viewing. You are the inspiration for the men who stared at goats. Incredible George Clooney movie about a psychic spy stopping a goat's heart. So you must have had a very high clearance.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, I had one of the highest clearances, not only for the remote viewing, but for other stuff that will never be talked about.
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Jesse
You remote viewed alien bases.
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Lyn Buchanan
The four major alien bases on the Earth. One in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Mount Zeal in Australia.
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Jesse
Secret mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona. Mount Inyangani is another alien base. Have you ever seen humans and aliens working side by side in a non remote viewing capacity?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, one of the. What they call the Insectoids. Wow. It was sitting in a row of humans that were at the positions working some equipment.
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Jesse
Whoa. You've seen a ufo Inside a hangar.
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Lyn Buchanan
That's where I came across this control panel. And that's when I said, hey, that's out of a ufo.
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Jesse
So how do you fly a ufo?
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Lyn Buchanan
An impression of a hand on it, where you put your finger over the hole, controls the ship. The alien was there. He took me up front. He was the pilot. So I tried it and I learned how to do it.
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Jesse
People like you with high psi powers, elite level, skilled, you can do a lot.
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Lyn Buchanan
We can change the weather anywhere in the world.
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Jesse
This takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level.
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Lyn Buchanan
The Russians look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their hearts. Our government was afraid of us. With the remote viewing, there's no more secrets. My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally.
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Jesse
Can you access me mentally right now? Their existence can no longer be denied. Here with Lynn Buchanan. This is a total honor, and I don't know if you know this, but this is a full circle moment for me because right when I started my show, I called Jeffrey Mishlove because I was a huge fan of his show. New thinking allowed. And I need to still have him on as a guest, but he recommended I interview you and I almost did this road trip across New Mexico and so you would have been the first American alchemy guest.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, hey, that's an honor for me. Well, it's an honor for me to be here today. Thank you.
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Jesse
It's an honor for me to have you. I think without spoiling too Much for the audience. You have experienced so much both in the world of remote viewing and, you know, you were stationed at Fort Meade and you are the inspiration for the Men who Stared at Goats. This, you know, incredible George Clooney movie about a psychic spy stopping a goat's heart. And we can talk about whether how real that is, but you also have all these kind of intersections with, you know, you remote viewed alien bases. You've seen a UFO inside a hangar. Not just in some sort of liminal consciousness, remote viewing space. And so, I don't know, there's so many things you have interest you've had. You've remote viewed political figures, religious figures. There's a lot to get into here. So I'm very excited to have you.
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Lyn Buchanan
I have lived in interesting times.
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Jesse
You have. And you are subtly referring to the Confucian proverb, it's better to live in interesting times, which is actually kind of a Confucian curse. I know we live in interesting but bad times. Yeah, it's true. Well, before I have your remote view hantavirus and whatever's going to come down the pike, I want to start with your kind of origin story as far as how you got into the remote viewing program.
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Lyn Buchanan
Most people look at all of the people who were remote viewers in the remote viewing unit and never asked what they did before. We all had serious military histories before that. I was in Augsburg, Germany, ever since I was about 12 years old. I had this PK ability like a poltergeist kid. Do you know what that is?
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Jesse
No.
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Lyn Buchanan
Poltergeist kid is one of those kids where when they get emotionally upset, things fall off shelves and things like that.
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Jesse
So you were like Matilda?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And that's actually more common than people realize, but people grow out of it, and my mother encouraged it, and so I sort of grew into it.
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Jesse
You fried a computer?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. In augsburg. They had 12 different countries in that one facility. And they all had their own computers, their own computer systems and all that. That didn't talk to each other. Well, I can program computers. So they put out this thing where they wanted somebody to program to write a program that would tie all 12 computers together and get them talking to each other. This one other sergeant wanted the job, I wanted the job, and I got it. So about nine months later, I had the program written and came the time to demonstrate it, and all the generals from 12 different countries got together and all. And I went to the bathroom to make sure my hair was in place and no wrinkles in my uniform and all that And I came back, did my little song and dance for the generals, and then hit the Enter key to start the program. And the computer went dead. And, I mean, I had tested this thing over and over and over. And they all started laughing at me. I turned around, and the other sergeant was at the back door of the room. And he said, gotcha. And turned around and walked off. He wanted that job, and he was just waiting. I got flaming angry. When I did, the entire field station went down. There was an estimate sometime later that it was about $50 million worth of computers that just went bad, fried. And so for the next period of time that's still classified. Everybody at the field station was going to work, taking their crossword puzzle books and all this, you know, making it look like to the Russian spy in the sky like business as usual. Come to find out later, the Russians were doing the same thing and were in East Germany because it had fried their computers, too. And so anyway. And this is documented, by the way. So anyway, General Stubblebine, the head of the Intelligence and Security Command, had been looking for something like that. He got wind of it, and he came to the field station to install a new commander. And when he came, they came to my desk and they said, the general wants to see you. And I thought, oh, crap, what have I done now? And he installed the new commander. He and the new commander came back to the office, and I was standing there waiting. And he looked at my name tag, and he said, you're Sergeant Buchanan? And I said, yes, sir. He said, follow me. He grabbed me by the arm and shoved me ahead of him. Now you walk behind the general. He shoved me ahead of him. We went into the new commander's office. He turned. Turned to the new commander and said, I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan. Get out. You can guess what list I went to the head of. And I was there for another two months at the top of that list.
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Jesse
What list?
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Lyn Buchanan
The shit list. And anyway, about two months later, they got transferred to Fort Meade. And General Stubblebine wanted to put me as the beginning of a unit that would destroy enemy computers. And with the end goal of controlling the enemy computers so that we could make their missiles turn around and go back or drop into the sea or something like that. Or put false information into the enemy computers. Congress said, no, that's mind control, and wouldn't fund it. So he took me out to Fort Meade and had that remote viewing unit. He took me out there and put me into that. And when they read me on, which is where they. They Give you a sheet of paper that tells you what the unit really does, not what they tell the public it does. And you read that, and down at the bottom you sign it 10 years in jail and $10,000 fine if you reveal any of this. And so I read it and I thought, this is a joke. The army doesn't do psychic stuff. And come to find out they did. And that's how I got into the unit. They started teaching me the Inga Swan method. And I took to it like duck to water. I mean, it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen.
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Jesse
So Stubblebine, who's head of army inscom, is that right?
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Lyn Buchanan
Intelligence and Security Command.
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Jesse
Yeah, Intelligence and Security Command. And he's looking for people like you with high psi powers.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yes. He had been for years. Yeah.
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Jesse
So he's like, if we're in Stranger things, you're like 11, and he's like Matthew Modine's character coming in, I guess.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Saying this guy has some real powers.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I found out years later, I was at the Bureau of Indian affairs in the cafeteria, and I was sitting there and this Aussie officer came up from Australia, you know, and asked if he could sit down. And I said, sure, you know, and so he sat at the table with me and started talking to me and said my name. And I said, how do you know my name? He said, oh, your picture is on the wall of one of our computer people. He said, you know, you're the one that knocked out our computers over in Australia. Oh, I did. So. So I was flaming mad that day.
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Jesse
Clearly. That's wild.
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Sponsor/Announcer
Yeah.
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Jesse
It's interesting because Stubbleman works with a guy named John Alexander, has a long history with him. Yeah, John And Alexander always pops up where the paranormal is too. You know, when John Hutchinson is getting his effect, you know, like, you know, levitating objects in California.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Alexander's tasked with looking into it.
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Lyn Buchanan
Quite a host or a Pandora's box
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Jesse
of different types of effects on the outer edge of.
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Lyn Buchanan
Of the scientific community. In this remarkable series of video clips
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Jesse
shot by Hutchison, we see what happens
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Lyn Buchanan
when he fine tunes the electromagnetic frequencies aimed at target objects in his garage.
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Jesse
It's almost like there's this paranormal investigations unit within the military.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, there has been for a long time. Yeah. And it's been all subterfuge and, you know, hush, hush and all that, but that's been going on for a long time. Yeah.
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Jesse
How long has that been going on for?
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Lyn Buchanan
I would say since World War II, when I was in Russian school in California, Monterey, California, to become a Russian linguist, which was my method of service mos. I was officially a Russian linguist intercept operator, and with a caveat of technology, that was my military mos. And one of the teachers came in one day and said that she had been in the Russian psychic warfare program. And she brought me some reading material in Russian from Colonel Igor Penkovsky, who tried to defect from Russia. And it said that Adolf Hitler had had a unit called Dr. Grunbaum in Germany and that it did medical experiments on the Jews and all this. But one part of it was also psychic spying. When the Germans lost the war, the French, English and the Americans didn't want any of this psychic stuff, you know, so the Russians took it, and they had developed it. Well, by the 1960s, we were losing classified information like crazy. And they couldn't find any ground agents. They couldn't find anybody. And that's when Igor Penkovsky tried to defect and brought the documentation that said the Russians had been doing that. Everybody had a laugh about that. But the intelligence service doesn't laugh. They don't laugh at anything. And so they said, well, if the Russians can do that, let's do it right back at them. And so they went out and hired Halpodolf and Russell Tarb, who were laser physicists who had published a paper showing how the intentions of the researcher can even affect a laser light beam. And, you know, with the double, double slit, double slit experiment and all that. So they gave them an initial contract. They contacted Ingo Swann. Ingo Swann developed the methodology called controlled remote viewing. They started a remote viewing unit, and that unit had been in existence 10 years before I got there. Wow. Yeah.
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Jesse
And so you primarily worked at Fort Meade, is that right?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And you're going into work, and you just have your fellow psychic spies at work. And what is this? Like, you sit at a cubicle, you're given targets.
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Lyn Buchanan
That's it.
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Jesse
And you gotta go. Yeah. But the targets are sometimes world leaders.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, usually world leaders. Their plans and intentions for the day, for the next day of battle. Saddam Hussein never stood a chance. We knew what he was going to do every day. And in fact, you know, for the longest time, they were looking for Saddam Hussein. We knew exactly where he was. We turned it in every day. They knew where he was.
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Jesse
Did you ever personally remote view Saddam Hussein?
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Jesse
Did you ever personally remote view Saddam Hussein?
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Lyn Buchanan
Almost every day.
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Jesse
What was he like?
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Lyn Buchanan
He's crazy.
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Jesse
How's that?
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Lyn Buchanan
He's totally crazy. Yeah, he 100% believed that God wanted him to rule the world and that anybody who would stop him from ruling the world was of the devil and had to be killed.
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Jesse
Really?
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Lyn Buchanan
Simple as that. Yeah, I mean he was crazy.
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Jesse
Delusions of grandeur. Oh yeah, it makes sense because when there was all this kind of chatter about Iraq having WMDs, weapons of mass destruction, after 9 11, which was this bizarre conflation on behalf of the American intelligence agencies where like you had Al Qaeda, you know, hanging out in Afghanistan and then you had Saddam, who, you know, maybe there was this like long held grudge since Desert Storm desired to take him out, but like he wasn't connected with 9 11. If anything he was an enemy of Osama bin Laden. But there was this implication that he had weapons of mass destruction. And he could have simply said, I don't have weapons of mass destruction and held some, you know, large press conference to that. But maybe this makes sense in the Context of this delusions of grandeur kind of psychology where he just continued to grandstand despite not even having what he
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Lyn Buchanan
wanted the world to be afraid of him.
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Jesse
Yeah. Was there anything else? I don't know any other, like, random details about his life? Like, did he have, you know, did he enjoy some weird hobby that, like, you wouldn't expect, like croquet or something like that?
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Lyn Buchanan
I was never tasked with that.
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Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
So I never really went into it. One of the things about the military, the US Military remote viewing effort, we were strictly told to never use this for personal reasons, which was total waste of an order. But also, and we did follow this, we were told that it was a federal offense and we would go to jail if we used it against U.S. citizens. And then the third rule was, you will use it only for what we task you to use. Because, I mean, our government was afraid of us. Because, you know, with the remote viewing, there's no more secrets.
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Jesse
Can you remote view the Q codes?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, good. I've never been tasked to do so.
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Jesse
That's scary. And so what weirds me out about remote viewing is if you can remote view the Q codes and then you have these open source protocols, Ingo Swann's, you know, teachings on remote viewing are public. Your teachings on remote viewing are public. What's stopping some rogue Al Qaeda operative from doing that with our assets?
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Lyn Buchanan
To be totally honest, what we teach to the public is probably about one tenth of what we know about remote viewing. Okay, there's. And Ingo personally developed up through stage 18. He offered to teach me up through stage 11, but at the time he did, my wife was extremely ill. My mother was dying. I didn't get a chance to go up there. And before all that got over and settled, he had already passed away. So I never learned up through stage 11.
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Jesse
So there are a lot of levels and there's rigorous training to get really, really good.
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Lyn Buchanan
And all we ever teach to the public is stage one through six.
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Jesse
Yeah, interesting.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Well, I'm almost wondering, like, on the Saddam thing, I almost want to press on, like, is there a detail you can share that's counterintuitive or that, you know, most people wouldn't be able to know in kind of open source world. And then I wonder if that sort of, you know, allows like a, you know, some random researcher or somebody who knew him to come out from the woodworks and then reach out and they say, oh, I can verify that, you know, this is something about him.
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Lyn Buchanan
Not that I can think of. We were tasked to remote view his facility, that he had his. His own personal facility. And the facility, of course, had no weapons or anything like that. And so for some reason, while we were doing that, because we had to draw maps as well, you know, accurate maps of the facility of any target. We did. And there was something about the generators that got me. He had a little facility. He had his own generators to power the facility and all that. So he's totally off grid. And there was something about that. And so I mentally went in queued to move inside the facility, inside that building and describe. And one of those generators just seemed wrong, and I couldn't figure out why. And so I just focused in on that one generator, found out that it was hollow and that it would tilt back, and when it tilted back, there were steps going down into a weapons bunker that you wouldn't believe. Whoa. I mean, a weapons bunker that was stocked fully.
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Jesse
It's like a trap door.
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Lyn Buchanan
It was like a false door. Yeah.
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Jesse
What sort of weapons?
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Lyn Buchanan
They had everything. They had rockets, they had lasers, they had, you know, bombs.
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Jesse
So they did have artillery. They did have an arsenal.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, they had an arsenal. But no, he had an arsenal on his. On his private place.
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Jesse
That makes sense.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. That was under there. That's wild. Yeah.
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Jesse
But no nukes, obviously.
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Lyn Buchanan
I didn't. I was just seeing the physical things. I don't know.
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Jesse
So he just had all these sort of crazy armaments.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
For his own little compound.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Probably. Big compound.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Fascinating.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Interesting. So you are the inspiration for Cassidy and the men who stared at goats.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And in the movie, he stops a goat's heart. He kills a goat.
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Lyn Buchanan
In the movie. He did.
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Jesse
Did you ever kill a goat?
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Lyn Buchanan
I didn't do that. That was another surgeon. And it actually happened.
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Jesse
No way.
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Lyn Buchanan
But I didn't do it.
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Jesse
You wouldn't have done it.
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Lyn Buchanan
And the thing is, you. In the movie, you see him leaving in the helicopter. From what I've heard, the guy who did kill the goat experienced dying with the goat.
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Jesse
Wow.
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Lyn Buchanan
And it upset him so much that in the end, he stole a helicopter and disappeared. And they haven't looked for him since.
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Sponsor/Announcer
No way.
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Lyn Buchanan
And what he did with the helicopter, I don't know, but they said he's disappeared and they have a look for him.
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Jesse
So the guy killed the goat felt some sort of symbiotic coupling of feeling with the goat, went through his own with him.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And then got so psychologically disturbed that he stole a helicopter and was never seen again.
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Lyn Buchanan
That's the story that I hear from the great Brian.
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Jesse
Who was this guy?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, he was just one of the sergeants that was in the first Earth Battalion. Wow. They were doing all kinds of stuff like that.
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Jesse
Do you remember anybody? Like, did he have a boss or.
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Lyn Buchanan
Jim Channing?
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Jesse
Yeah, Jim Channing was this guy's boss.
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Lyn Buchanan
Wow. I know how to do it and I won't teach it to anybody.
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Jesse
That's a scary prospect. So you think teams of remote viewers can literally kill other people and animals?
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Lyn Buchanan
A single remote viewer can.
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Jesse
A single remote viewer can.
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Lyn Buchanan
And the scary part is it is so easy to do.
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Jesse
So that's freaky, first of all.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Second of all, I'm sure there are a whole host of skeptics out there who are saying, why are not world leaders dropping like flies? You know?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, because, you know, why are world leaders dropping like flies? Okay. Because we know what they want, we know what they're going to do and all that. You drop one of them, you get an unknown in and you have to start all over. The intelligence services have to start all over. No, you want to keep them.
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Jesse
So you think if somebody gets out of hand enough, like if you were to REPLAY World War II, presumably if the Allies had this capability by 1941 or two, they would have remote view tried to kill Hitler.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, And Hitler was already working on this. The Russians, after they got all of this, had a woman named Nina Kalagana who was stopping the hearts of rats and rabbits and things like that and wound up dying of a heart attack, by the way. But she was already working on that. The Russians were working on it. To have their troops be able to look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their hearts.
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Jesse
You realize this takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Goes well beyond nuclear capabilities.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
It's so crazy. So it's almost like the world's pretty locked down on a go forward basis. If you can do this at will, it's not just nukes. It's, you know, we might have pandemics, we might have sort of asymmetric, you know, bizarre attacks which, you know, are horribly destructive. But the idea of all out war seems pretty hard. If you can just, at will decapitate, you know, your enemy.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, yeah, and it already is. You know, the thing is, we don't need tanks and airplanes at all anymore. We can change the weather anywhere in the world. The Russians have earthquake weapons. They can cause an earthquake at Yellowstone that'll wipe out the center us if they cause an earthquake on La Palma island, that's strong enough. The side of that volcano is already split off five feet. If it falls into the ocean, it's facing the U.S. if it falls into the ocean,15 cubic kilometers of land will hit the ocean all at once. And the U.S. geological Service has predicted that that would cause a tsunami that in some places would wipe out up to 26 miles inland on these east U.S. coast. That's already known by the U.S. geological Service.
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Jesse
Are you worried about that?
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Lyn Buchanan
I'm not. Things like that would be so disastrous that I don't think any country wants it. And like I say, mutual destruction, they do that to us, we'll destroy them. And no, I don't think it's a thing. But the whole thing is that now wars just a money making thing. It really is. I mean we fight each other because of the weapons we have. Why not take out the weapons manufacturers? We don't do that. There's too much money involved.
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Jesse
I want to get into the logical conclusions of what you're saying because this means advancement in remote viewing is sort of advancement in your ability to sort of control the world, you know, geopolitical landscape. Because I'll look at somebody like, you know, Trump or Kim Jong Un or some of these leaders, they might be more predictable than their detractors say. You know, their detractors say, oh, they're completely irrational, they're crazy, whatever. Maybe they're more rational than we think. But Trump kind of shoots from the hip. You know, I think some of these other leaders at times you think, right. You know, they kind of go on these little, you know, escapades and adventures and act in discretionary ways. They're not just extensions of the bureaucracy. And so to the extent that gets out of hand for any party that knows how to do this remote viewing technique, they can just sort of act out against that. I mean, because that's a scary prospect. Is there a defense against that?
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Lyn Buchanan
I haven't talked to this, talked about this to anybody. I might as well do it now. Okay, I have been in depth remote viewing this. Do you know the term O wog?
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Jesse
No.
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Lyn Buchanan
O W O G. One world, one government. We're going into space, okay? And many of the beings that are already out there don't want us out there the way we are. And at some point when we get into space, we're going to have to have one world, one government to at least some extent. And if one country destroys another, then it blocks that. And from what I'm finding, the powers that actually are behind the governments and run the governments want us to have one world, one government to prepare us for space.
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Jesse
Who are the powers that are behind the government?
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Lyn Buchanan
I wish I knew.
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Jesse
But you were convinced.
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Lyn Buchanan
If I knew, I wouldn't say, bump me off real quick.
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Jesse
I think that's probably the right move. But you're convinced that our civilian leaders are not. That the front facing leaders that we see are not the true power and
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Lyn Buchanan
oh, they're the, you know, the, the man behind the curtain that's, you know, like in the wizard of Oz. Yes.
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Jesse
And it's not just. It's. It's an actual wizard of Oz or a mechanical Turk, to use another term. Oh no, it's not. Okay, but it's not. It's. What you're saying is it's not just bunch of guys in bureaucratic positions who are lifelong politicians. It's a vital group that has deliberate intentions.
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Lyn Buchanan
They're just organizing everything.
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Jesse
So like a true deep state.
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Lyn Buchanan
A true deep state, yeah. And it exists. But
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Jesse
you know what makes you convinced of that?
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Jesse
What makes you convinced of that?
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Lyn Buchanan
The viewing that I've done.
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Jesse
And they must be, because they must be more advanced at the psychic stuff. That has to be the way. I mean, if the psychic stuff is true. So, like, let's just assume that it is. I think it is, but there are people out there that don't. Let's just assume that it is. I know you've lived it. You're so far past that debate. But let's assume that that's true. I love how many people hear that it's true and then they stop there. Oh, yeah. The logical conclusion of the psychic stuff being true is a very different stratification of society itself. It's a different social hierarchy. And it's basically the people who are most advanced in this stuff have to have the Archimedes lever of control.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, Let me divert this whole conversation here to that. When they started the research on remote viewing, what they did was they would take your complete session and see how accurate it was. What we found out was that everybody has strengths and weaknesses. And so one person may get the color right all the time and couldn't tell you the shape of something if, you know, if they had to. Other person, other person will get the shape, but not relationships or sounds or something like that. And so everybody has strengths and weaknesses. So when I started, what 30 years ago was a database that I've kept ever since of viewers work, and we actually go through perception by perception by perception, judging it against the feedback. If you have the police come and they say, well, describe the. Describe the getaway car. You need to know the shape, the age and all that of the getaway car. I will look in the database and say, who is always right at color now then, who is always right at drawing a pattern? Task him with a license plate. Who's always right at the shape of an object? Draw me the car. And so on. And by doing this, we can take 10 remote viewers who have an overall average of 70% accuracy. And by tasking them only with what they're best at, we can turn 95% accuracy into a customer. And doing it that way, but that's tons of work. And that in itself has turned into the proof. Because, you know, used to they would say, show me your proof. Now they say, show me your data. And we've got the data. And so that winds up being the proof of the efficacy of the Controlled remote viewing.
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Jesse
What's your biggest strength?
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Lyn Buchanan
My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally.
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Jesse
Hmm. Could you access me mentally right now?
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Lyn Buchanan
Wouldn't.
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Jesse
I'd be fine with it.
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Lyn Buchanan
No. I am on retention. I'm not officially retired. I'm on retention. And as far as I'm Concerned, presidential order 12333 still applies to me. Oh. I do not access U.S. citizens, period.
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Jesse
Yeah. Cool.
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't do it.
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Jesse
Nice. Well. Well, I guess we were getting into this stuff because I. I'm a believer in parapsychology. Remote viewing.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
But I think very few people get into what that means for what society actually looks like and how it's built.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Because if somebody has some sort of vital team that's extremely like elite level, skilled at these sorts of things, you can do a lot. And so, like, it's funny.
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Lyn Buchanan
That's a British understatement.
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Jesse
Yeah, right. Yeah, it is a British understatement. So, you know, I hear you saying because of your remote viewing work, you're convinced in a deep state. I would assume the deep state would have to be like even more skilled and better at these sorts of things. Right. Than like, really.
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Lyn Buchanan
No, no, no.
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Jesse
So what. What are they better at?
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Lyn Buchanan
They just decide what's. They're in control. They decide what's going to happen.
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Jesse
Yeah, but if you have like ultimate leverage over, like, psychic abilities, you're in control no matter what. Right.
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Lyn Buchanan
Like, and they don't need that.
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Jesse
Why don't they need that?
- [42:45]
Lyn Buchanan
Because they're in control. What they need it for? They get somebody who can do it.
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Jesse
Couldn't you stop them? Because you're, you know, psychic and you
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Lyn Buchanan
have like a. I would not attack you. Don't. You don't attack a gorilla, you know. Oh, yeah, you know. No, there's self preservation involved here.
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Jesse
You mentioned Ingo Swann.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Ingo Swann is a legendary remote viewer, long deceased, but he is just has an incredible story and he wrote a book called Penetration, where he talks about remote viewing the dark side of the moon.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And Exo Road and all that.
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Jesse
Yeah, yeah. And being almost abducted by what appears to be like a legacy UFO program taken underground. Really incredible story. Do you think all of that happened and do you think he actually remote viewed alien bases on the dark side of the moon?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And what gives you.
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Lyn Buchanan
I'm not all that certain about the details of the Axelrod story, but the bases on the moon. Yeah, they're there.
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Jesse
Have you ever remote viewed.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Alien bases.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And what did you see?
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Lyn Buchanan
Basically what they were doing and their location and things like that. But they're not there. Only there on the moon. They're on other places too, of course.
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Jesse
What were they doing?
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Lyn Buchanan
Basically what I got for most of them was minerals. They're just interested in minerals. Nothing. No skullduggery or anything like that. Nothing, you know.
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Jesse
Is the moon an artificial object sent here to monitor Earth?
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't believe so.
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Jesse
Okay, so they're just mining minerals on the moon?
- [44:41]
Lyn Buchanan
That's what I got, yeah.
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Jesse
Interesting. What sorts of aliens were up there?
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Lyn Buchanan
I didn't go into that. Now, the alien bases, the four major alien bases on the Earth, I did those in depth. But the ones on the moon, I was just tasked, you know, what's going on, where are they? What's it look like? And all that. So, yeah, I did what I was tasked to do.
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Jesse
This is Project 8200. Right. Where Pat Price had seen four.
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Lyn Buchanan
I saw the four alien bases and they did Project 8200 before I got there. However, after I got there, Skip Atwater was having us do those sort of to keep track of what's going on as time goes on. The one in Mount Hayes, Alaska, Pat Price and Joe McMonagle had found aliens and humans working side by side as sort of an intelligence gathering place. And years later, when I got there, I did Mount Hayes and found out that the equipment was now automated and still running, but there was no need for personnel there. So it was basically kind of empty of people.
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Jesse
And what was the purpose of it?
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Lyn Buchanan
Keeping intelligence on the U.S. i mean, on the Earth, just collecting data and signals and all that.
- [46:36]
Jesse
What would happen to me or an average civilian if we just went to Mount Hayes right now and tried to check?
- [46:42]
Lyn Buchanan
You'd probably get lost and frozen. I mean, it's high, it's constantly under snow, and I doubt you'd find your way in.
- [46:54]
Jesse
So there's something on the inside of the mountain?
- [46:56]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, it's inside the mountain, yeah.
- [46:58]
Jesse
So similar to like the Cheyenne Mountain complex when it comes to the American government.
- [47:03]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And do UFOs fly in and out?
- [47:09]
Lyn Buchanan
I didn't get that, no. And neither did Joe or Pat Price. Now where they fly in and out is in Mount Zeal in Northern Australia. And see, I did all these blind, just, you know, like everybody else. And the sketches that I drew, I mean, matched Pat Price's down to the measurements and everything else. So that kind of confirmed it for me. But patience. Mount Zeal is sort of a port of entry to the Earth that friendly ones go there, and then from there spread out around the world. And Skip one time, Skip Atwater wanted some feedback, and so he called a friend of his working in there in Australia and asked him if anything was going on. And he said, no, nothing happens here. It's the most boring job I've ever had. If it weren't for all those UFOs going in and out of Mount Zeal, we have anything to do.
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Jesse
Whoa.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
What's the purpose of the UFOs going in and out? Are they refueling? Are they?
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Lyn Buchanan
No, it's sort of like an airport. Just a port of entry? No.
- [48:40]
Jesse
And what makes it. Is there, like, a reason why it's a good port of entry? Is there something geomagnetically anomalous about it or anything?
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't know. It's isolated. That's all I know. When I did that, when Pat Price did that one, they let him know that they knew he was there, and that scared him. He never went back. When I viewed it, the first thing that happened was they let me know that they knew I was there and that it was okay. And so I just went through the whole facility sketching.
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Jesse
What was that facility like?
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Lyn Buchanan
It was basically two levels. One level was where the ships come in, settle into kind of a dock, and passengers get on and off. And also the crew down below goes down, you know, goes down to the lower floor, and that's the maintenance and everything else. And that is just sort of an airport, I guess you could say. Now, one thing that happened with my view was something that they said they never heard before. In the area where the travelers go in and out, I saw a gray female with a baby gray. And I've never heard. They said they've never heard of anything like that on the Earth before, any observation of that. But, yeah, they let me know it was okay to be there. And, hey, have a look around.
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Jesse
Why do you think they let you just look around?
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't think they care. You know, I mean, it's like, what have they got to fear?
- [50:41]
Jesse
For me, it's like a zoologist or something going into the. The jungle in Africa and looking at the gorillas or whatever.
- [50:49]
Lyn Buchanan
It's. Yeah, the gorillas just say, oh, here's a gorilla that's bald. You know, welcome him in.
- [50:55]
Jesse
Yeah, right. Yeah. It's interesting. It's almost like when you learn deeply advanced remote viewing, maybe your epistemology, your way of knowing kind of converges on theirs. It's like you.
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Lyn Buchanan
It does. There are. Without going too Deeply into it. There are even ways that you can physically change while you're remote viewing.
- [51:28]
Jesse
Really?
- [51:28]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
You can physically change.
- [51:31]
Lyn Buchanan
You can physically change.
- [51:32]
Jesse
Have you ever physically changed?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, I was doing one of the Saddam Hussein things one time and the woman who was monitoring me at the time let out a scream and ran out of the building. And I found out the next day she finally told me. She said, you, eyes turned brown and your voice deepened. And she said, but your eyes turned actually brown. And so I just accessed him to that point. But I mean, your eyes turn him every single day.
- [52:15]
Jesse
Because your eyes. I'm looking at them right now. You have beautiful eyes. I'm blue eyed, milky blue eyes. So your eyes turned to the same color as.
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Lyn Buchanan
That's what she said. That's what she told me. Yeah.
- [52:28]
Jesse
So it was like you were merging with him.
- [52:31]
Lyn Buchanan
Merging? Sort of, yeah.
- [52:33]
Jesse
Wow. So like inhabiting him or something.
- [52:36]
Lyn Buchanan
Sort of sinking with him or something? I don't know. I didn't know anything about it until
- [52:44]
Jesse
she said, you know, you also remote viewed Gorbachev.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Jesse
What was he like?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, he was a nice guy. He really was.
- [52:54]
Jesse
Seems like a nice guy from his public appearances.
- [52:57]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah. And somebody critiques my book, the Seventh Sense. By the way, I brought you a copy.
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Jesse
Thank you.
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Lyn Buchanan
And I know people bring you books all the time that you can't read. You don't have time, so no obligation to read it. Okay. There won't be a test.
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Jesse
Oh, well, that means a lot. I've already read part of it, so
- [53:20]
Lyn Buchanan
I won't come back and say, what did you think about chapter seven?
- [53:23]
Jesse
Well, you can. It's okay. You remote viewed Gorbachev. You said that he was a nice guy.
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Lyn Buchanan
Somebody said in the book that I had that I had said that I convinced Russia to end communism. And that's not true, you know, at all. But I was over at the golf club one day there on Fort Meade eating lunch, and two agents came in and sat down at a far table. And I mean, they blend in so perfectly that they stand out. You know, you can get the vibe right there, oh, these guys are, you know, not here to eat. And so I got up and left. And when I did, they followed me out to the parking lot and they had me get in their car. They drove me around Fort Meade. And basically they said, you know, we want you to do things to affect Gorbachev and all this. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. For one thing, we were. This was another edict we had on us that there would be no active mental work. We were there to collect intelligence, not to do influencing or anything like that. And so I said, no, that's. I can go to jail for that, you know. And so anyway, when I got out of the car, I don't know what made me say it, but just sort of to be nasty to those two guys, I leaned back down to the open door and I said, but maybe I can make him in communism, you know? And anyway, when I got home that evening, I thought, I wonder if I could do something like that. I said, no, it's stupid, you know? So I started doing sessions, and what surprised me was the speech where they ended up Communism. The words in that speech were the words that I had been pumping into him.
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Jesse
No way.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Like what?
- [55:44]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, well, it's all in Russian, but.
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Jesse
But do you remember what words you were popping into?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Like what?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, that's not the point I'm trying to make here. The point is that for a good year, year and a half before that, he was already planned. Planning to end communism. So did I have any effect on that? No. I may have helped him with his speech. That was it.
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Jesse
Do you remember how specifically you helped him at all, or.
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Lyn Buchanan
One of the things I kept putting in was about the generations to follow and all this.
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Jesse
That's amazing.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. But. Yeah, the terms and the words I was pumping in, he used in his speech. So.
- [56:36]
Jesse
About the generations to follow and you know what the future of Russia might look like.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And Mount Inyangani is another alien base.
- [56:50]
Lyn Buchanan
Zimbabwe. Yeah. What I found out about that one was that it seems to be a repair facility. Maintenance and repair facility for what? For UFOs.
- [57:01]
Jesse
For UFOs.
- [57:01]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. No, I never did. The one that was in the Pyrenees, so I'm not sure about it.
- [57:09]
Jesse
That's Mount Perdido.
- [57:10]
Lyn Buchanan
That's the fourth one. Yeah.
- [57:11]
Jesse
Mount Inyangani is interesting because people often go missing while they're hiking around Mount Inyangani.
- [57:18]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Do you think there's a connection between that and this?
- [57:22]
Lyn Buchanan
Supposedly you see too much, you disappear.
- [57:26]
Jesse
What happens to you?
- [57:28]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, you. You don't exist anymore. You die. Yeah.
- [57:36]
Jesse
Oh, no.
- [57:37]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. They guard things.
- [57:40]
Jesse
They guard things tightly.
- [57:41]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. From what I've seen at Mount Zeal and there in Zimbabwe, I think you also have the chance of becoming a worker, but you don't come back, you know, you don't go back home again.
- [58:01]
Jesse
Really?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
So they abduct you and make you work for them.
- [58:05]
Lyn Buchanan
I think it's voluntary. You have your choice between dying or working.
- [58:11]
Jesse
What makes you think that they make certain people workers?
- [58:15]
Lyn Buchanan
Because they're humans working with them.
- [58:19]
Jesse
How do you know that? From your remote viewing?
- [58:21]
Lyn Buchanan
From the remote viewing, yeah. And also from other reports. You know, other viewing reports and actual reports.
- [58:34]
Jesse
What are the human. Are the humans like active managers or are they just underlings?
- [58:40]
Lyn Buchanan
I think they're just under learning underlings.
- [58:42]
Jesse
So they're like. Yeah, effectively slaves for these ets.
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Lyn Buchanan
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Lyn Buchanan
While we're on the tablet, about five years ago, I was in El Paso and stopped at a restaurant and I ate, came back out to the car, and when I did, two guys, two humans, okay, came up and said, you're Lyn Buchanan. You already knew that. And I said, yes. And they said, we're interested in finding out something, if you could find out for us. And that is, who in the government is looking at the wedge of the DNA chart that says other? I have no idea. They said, well, could you find out? Well, Linda Moulton House is a good friend of mine. And so I said, maybe Linda could answer the question. She knew. You talk about an investigative reporter. She's an investigative reporter. She knows. And she clicked off the names immediately. And so I asked them why. And he said, back centuries and centuries ago, when the ETs left the Earth, they took humans with them as slaves. And he said, we've been slaves for hundreds of generations on another planet. Our DNA has changed to match that. And he said, now that we're coming back here and serving to do the work at these bases, some of us are escaping. And he said, we don't want to do anything in the government. We don't want any power. We don't know anything. We just want to be free. That's all we want. And he said, we're afraid of that DNA test.
- [63:49]
Jesse
Are those beings physiologically exactly the same as all of these humans?
- [63:54]
Lyn Buchanan
These two guys were.
- [63:55]
Jesse
Do they have any other sort of adaptive powers, behaviors or traits based on
- [64:00]
Lyn Buchanan
their two guys in a parking lot? I don't know if it's true or not, but that's. That's what happened. And. And so I guess it's a possibility of being true. I don't know.
- [64:15]
Jesse
So those aliens that came here, you know, thousands of years ago, stories of, like,
- [64:23]
Lyn Buchanan
watchers and that sort of thing, something like that.
- [64:26]
Jesse
So they had, you know, humans working for them when they came originally, you know, call it 10,000 ish years ago.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And when they left, they took workers with them.
- [64:36]
Jesse
They took workers with them, and then now they come back occasionally, visit some of these bases, and they bring the workers with them to work, to do
- [64:45]
Lyn Buchanan
the work, to do the slave work.
- [64:46]
Jesse
And then occasionally, some of those workers escape.
- [64:50]
Lyn Buchanan
That's what these two guys told me. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. That's just what they told me. But they told me in a way that I tended to believe it. I have no proof.
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Jesse
Pat Price, who was originally responsible for viewing these four alien bases, was one of the most skilled remote viewers of all time.
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Lyn Buchanan
He was a psychic.
- [65:17]
Jesse
How would you make that distinction?
- [65:19]
Lyn Buchanan
A psychic is a person who has the natural ability and great strength and knows how to access it.
- [65:30]
Jesse
A remote viewer is trained.
- [65:32]
Lyn Buchanan
A remote viewer.
- [65:34]
Jesse
A psychic is born.
- [65:35]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
The remote viewing that was made for the military wasn't made for psychics. The military didn't want psychics. They wanted to teach the ordinary soldier how to know what's over the hill and where to point the guns. That's what they wanted.
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Jesse
Are you a remote viewer or a psychic?
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Lyn Buchanan
I'm a remote viewer. Well, but I grew up with the PK ability and some psychic sense. Everybody has intuition to some extent. Okay, some more than others and all that, but the controlled remote viewing is actually a martial art. What happens is your subconscious knows something. It can't talk to the conscious mind without a psychiatrist couch. And so it gives you a physical response. When you can learn consciously to read those physical responses and you can train those to where it's a communication line, then you can physically pass a question to your subconscious mind. It will cause a physical response. You read that physical response, and you've got the answer. That's what controlled remote viewing is. It's actually a martial art.
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Jesse
Fascinating.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. It's not. Oh. The answer is, you know. The answer is, put the question to your forehead. And the answer is it's not that at all.
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Jesse
Do you have a sense of how it mechanically works, or are we sort of in the Stone Age as far as, you know, with, like, a radio signal? Yeah, it's pretty clear how it works with remote viewing. Do we understand the actual transmission mechanism?
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Lyn Buchanan
Some of the people who do the controlled remote viewing will write down the coordinates because you never tell them what the target is. You just give them a encrypted number and let their pen do scribble, scribble, scribble. And then they go back and touch it. Well, scribble, scribble, scribble. Is automatic writing, which some people are good at. Psychometry is where you go back and touch something and get information off of it. Okay? And so that's one way to begin a CRV session. Another way, and the way that I teach my students is the martial art way. Wax on, wipe off, okay? And so you say, draw me the most basic graphic you can of land. And some people will make a mountain, some people make a straight line, and then show me water, and they'll make a wavy line. And you have this other vocabulary, and you practice and practice and practice that. This is how they taught me. The Inga Swan method was taught to me. And when it gets to the point where the monitor, who's calling out these words, starts to say the word, and the viewer automatically makes the word that's going to be said, that's when you know their subconscious mind is accessing the monitor. That's when you know you've got it. So then you go to what's. That's called stage one. So then you go to stage two where you say, oh, describe the water. And by describing the water, you say, how does it taste? How does it feel? What's the temperature? You use only physical descriptors and you get the physical descriptors of it. And then you say, oh, it feels cold. Well, how cold is it? That's where you start getting the measurements. And as you go through the six stages, you finally get down to where you can reproduce the circuitry on a circuit board. I mean, it gets that detailed. And this is the genius of what Ingo Swann did. And he started out with, I don't know what's at the target, but man, there's land and water and something man made. And at that point in the training where you're in stage one training, you open the envelope and there's a ship sitting at dock just like that. And when you get good at that, 80% accurate at it through practice, then you move into stage two.
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Jesse
Joseph McMonagle was tasked with remote viewing Mars a million years ago. Claimed to see people who were much taller than human beings and pyramid structures and sort of a civilization. Have you seen anything like that? Have you ever remote viewed Mars?
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Lyn Buchanan
And stage six, there's a phenomenon called bilocation. And there's one step beyond that, which we call perfect sight integration. When you reach that stage, you're not at the target, okay? But your attention is so focused on the target that you. You forget about the room around you or anything else, and your attention is so focused on it. You cannot tell that you're not at the target. You feel the breeze on your face, you feel the temperature, everything you see it. And the first time that happened to me was with the Sedona region at Mars. And I was working along, I'd gotten some coordinates, just some numbers and I was working along and all of a sudden I felt sand under my feet. Now here's an idiosyncrasy. I never remote view with my shoes on. I don't know why. I'm a Texas boy. I take my shoes off and so I felt the sand under my feet and I looked down and there was. I was in a hallway that was filled with sand. And I looked up and there was an opening at the far end of the hallway. So I walked down to the opening and it was open. So I leaned out and the building that I was in was sloping backwards and it's just all rough and just eroded and everything else. And I looked out, the sun was dim, the sky was the wrong color. It's extremely cold, the place smelled bad. And I looked at the other things that were around and came back and described them and drew a picture of it in all that. So I guess about six months later we were out at place in California visiting Hal put off. And there was a picture on the wall of the Sedona region of Mars. And this was not the picture everybody sees. You know how the picture they show is all fuzzy and all come on, they can read your license plate from 250 miles through air. You're going to tell me they can't see a mountain sharply on Mars. And this was a very sharp picture. And there on the side of one of those pyramids there's a little opening. Been there, done that, didn't get the T shirt. But I was looking at this picture and realizing that everything I had drawn from that angle from above was in the right place. Everything. The sky that I saw was the color of the sky on Mars. The sun was dimmer and further away and all that and the bitter cold and everything else.
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Jesse
Was it red? The sun, the landscape?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was orangish red and all that. I mean it was desert, it was sand. After that session they said, oh, you were on Mars. And I said, oh, okay. But when I saw that picture, that's when I realized, hey, I was on Mars. And you know, I cannot physically, I cannot say I've ever been physically on Mars, but I have had the experience, the real experience of walking through the sands of Mars and how Are you going to explain that to anybody? I've had the experience of it.
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Jesse
Did you see any alien life?
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Lyn Buchanan
Actually, I did, yeah, because the monitor took me elsewhere after that, but yeah.
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Jesse
And so where did you go after that, where you saw alien life?
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Lyn Buchanan
Down into the pyramid. And it was beings that are much larger than humans, but with atrophied limbs, probably incapable of ever coming out.
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Jesse
You know, what did they look like? Did they look like humans? But atrophied or no?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, right at first they looked to me like worms. I mean, their, their legs and their arms were just, you know, were there, but just like I say, atrophied, not even used.
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Jesse
Was their skin color the same color as.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, roughly, I think, yeah. As I remember it, I was there a very short time and they pulled me out.
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Jesse
Fascinating. Did you get the sense as to whether they had a relationship with mankind at all or they were from.
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Lyn Buchanan
I didn't. They pulled me out. They pulled me out from that. Yeah.
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Jesse
And this was present Mars. This isn't a million prison.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse
What's the most exotic place you've bilocated to?
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Lyn Buchanan
The most exotic. I haven't heard that one before. The strangest place was Titan. I was tasked for some reason with Titan to find any life there.
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Jesse
Titan is a moon of Jupiter.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And I found these two beings in a cave. Now what I think they were looking for was sea under the surface or something like that. They weren't satisfied with what I got. But these two beings were conversing with each other. And like I say, my forte is mental access. I have never in any other time found anything as totally alien as that. There was no understanding their thoughts. There was no understanding anything about them. I could tell they were thinking, I could hear their thoughts. And there was no translation. There was no nothing. Most alien thing I've ever experienced, period. And you know, I've been tasked with a lot of aliens. This was just indescribably alien.
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Jesse
Just completely foreign.
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Lyn Buchanan
Completely totally un. Understandable.
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Jesse
Incomprehensible.
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Lyn Buchanan
Incomprehensible, yeah.
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Jesse
When you relay these things to your superiors as part of the remote viewing program, what do they say? Are they shocked or are they like, oh, just another day on the job and they're very about it.
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Lyn Buchanan
Or generally just another day on the job after, you know, like I say, they've been there for 10 years before I ever got there. So yeah, for them it's just another day on the job. Yeah.
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Jesse
How many alien species do you think you've personally come into contact with?
- [79:06]
Lyn Buchanan
I Think five.
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Jesse
Have you seen any in a non remote viewing capacity?
- [79:14]
Lyn Buchanan
You were going to answer that. Ask that? Yes, and I can't talk about it.
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Jesse
Why not?
- [79:19]
Lyn Buchanan
Because it was on a mission that I can't talk about.
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Jesse
Okay. Whoa.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
That's interesting.
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Lyn Buchanan
I'm sorry.
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Jesse
No, it's okay. Is there anything you can share about it or.
- [79:30]
Lyn Buchanan
No.
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Jesse
Okay. Was it shocking?
- [79:33]
Lyn Buchanan
By that time, I had learned anytime I went on one of these missions, I would always tell them, I don't want to know anything, that I don't want to be responsible for. The alien was there. And so I immediately just looked away and kept. Kept going because I didn't want to be responsible for that, for knowing that.
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Jesse
So when you say mission, this isn't a remote viewing mission. This is like you were deployed somewhere, somewhere else.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. Wow.
- [80:08]
Jesse
Fascinating.
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Lyn Buchanan
For another reason. Yeah.
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Jesse
So what else have you done outside of remote viewing? Have you been deployed in different places around the world?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, yeah, I was computer expert, computer programmer, Russian linguist, German linguist. I was the only Mongolian linguist in all five services at the time. Six services now with the Space Force. But I was the only Mongolian linguist in all military services. The first time I was in the service, I was into guided missiles and guided missile computer systems, control systems and all that.
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Jesse
Fascinating. You've had a very winding career. You're polymathic.
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Lyn Buchanan
Interesting times.
- [81:04]
Jesse
Yeah. For me, this direct alien experience. Obviously, I'm insatiably curious and want to know more, but I respect your decision to not share more for the audience.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, I also had. I had an abduction experience, too, so go ahead.
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Jesse
Well, I'm just. And I want to get into that, too. But for the audience, they might be wondering, why can Lyn share about some of the stuff he's remote viewed. That also seems somewhat sensitive, but he can't talk about this one mission he was on where he saw an alien.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, I can talk about things that happened, but things like who was involved, what units were involved, what people and places were involved and where it happened and all that. Yeah, those are things that you know.
- [81:57]
Jesse
So you could theoretically talk about what the alien looked like with no context around.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, the one I saw at that time was one of the. What they call the Insectoids.
- [82:11]
Jesse
Okay. Whoa. Yeah, Like a praying mantis or something, I guess.
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Lyn Buchanan
It was sitting at a position in a row of humans that were at the positions. Their positions, and working some equipment.
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Jesse
Whoa.
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Lyn Buchanan
And the thing is, many of these times where you have soldiers that are at these jobs all day long, if they know that somebody is coming in who's an outsider. They'll do something, you know, just to. They could have. It could have been a soldier that just put on an alien hat or something like that. I don't know. Because the minute I saw it, I looked away and kept walking.
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Jesse
Okay, so this could have been them trying to mess with you?
- [83:02]
Lyn Buchanan
Could have been.
- [83:03]
Jesse
But it looked like an alien casually working hand in hand with human colleagues.
- [83:08]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
- [83:12]
Jesse
Well, can you say what they were working on?
- [83:15]
Lyn Buchanan
You're back into what I can't talk about.
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Jesse
Okay, no worries. All right, we'll stop there. But that, that's interesting.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Do you. Do you think that in some of these places humans and aliens are working side by side? You already said that in the context. Oh, yeah, of course. Mount Zale in Australia.
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Lyn Buchanan
And I've heard that from people who absolutely know for sure. Yeah.
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Sponsor/Announcer
Really?
- [83:42]
Lyn Buchanan
Over and over again. Yeah. Wow.
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Jesse
And so what, like those two guys
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Lyn Buchanan
that approached me in the parking lot could explain why they're humans working with them? They may not be people who were born on Earth. I don't know. It's a question that I have that I don't know the answer to.
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Jesse
I've talked to Hal Puthoff about things like this, like sort of almost like portals on Earth where humans and aliens are sort of co. Located, working together. And we were talking as well before we started rolling about Indian reservations and certain off limits places in the United States.
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Lyn Buchanan
What I seem to have found is that the alien bases, I think most people think that the aliens come in and secretly form these bases that nobody human knows about. And all that I've come to the conclusion personally, have no proof, no documentation that these are the places where our government or the governments of other countries have said, you can have this spot to have your base. You stay away from us and we'll stay away from you. So they're more like reservations that we give to the Indians then they are bases where they have secretly come in and formed something that we don't know about. And I think we know everything about it.
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Jesse
So this is being done with our explicit permission.
- [85:34]
Lyn Buchanan
That's what I get. Yeah.
- [85:37]
Jesse
There's a place called Secret Mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona.
- [85:42]
Lyn Buchanan
Okay.
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Jesse
And this is one of these places that's rumored. A friend and fellow reporter Ross Coltheart has, you know, systematically investigated this place. And it seems like UFOs are flying in and out of this mountain and the. I think the land is sort of, you know, it's like Bureau of Land Management. And I think it was then reserved for, like, you know, University of Northern Arizona. And there were some environmental studies going on, but basically it's a way of saying off limits for anyone else. But nothing goes on there. Like, no research goes on there. Instead, people just see men who are wearing these sort of nondescript, you know, outfits.
- [86:24]
Lyn Buchanan
New Mexico and. Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse
And some of these other places. So you think that's happening maybe all over the US all over the world. All over the world, yeah. How is this stuff so locked down for the ordinary person? Because, like, you know, I systematically sort of investigate this stuff. You've lived it for decades. And so it's sort of obvious to you. For me, I'm, you know, more on the fence than you, but probably more, you know, inclined towards your side, obviously, than I am towards, you know, an average person who hasn't studied this stuff. But how is there so much circumstantial evidence? And yet the consensus still can maintain that the. There's like nothing here. Is it them concealing themselves, the non humans, or like I.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, first of all, if you had something like that, would you want everybody to know? You know, I mean, if you were to land on Mars, would you want all the Martians to know where you were? Probably not. You know, I think most people don't want to know. They don't want to believe that that happens. And so why shatter their paradigm? You know, does one country want to know the other is harboring aliens? You know, I don't know a definite answer to that question, but I think most of all, people don't want to know.
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Jesse
Is there a connection between remote viewing and UFO crash retrievals?
- [88:03]
Lyn Buchanan
Crash retrieval, yes. Evidently not, from what I found ahead in that hangar.
- [88:10]
Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. The minute I saw that control panel out of UFO and said, that's out of ufo, I mean, they ran me
- [88:23]
Jesse
out of that place because there's a group called, I believe, the Borderlands Research Society.
- [88:29]
Lyn Buchanan
I've heard of that one.
- [88:30]
Jesse
They're from the 40s, back in the day, and they were dabbling in kind of the occult, but they were doing some early remote viewing techniques. And there seems to be some documentation gathered by a researcher friend of mine named Richard Geldright. She's amazing. And he says that they knew about some of the early crashes in the 40s and 50s, before the army and the Air Force. I think if, you know, if you're. What you were saying earlier, that, like, when we move into the psychic or remote viewing paradigm, we're kind of bumping into the epistemological Framework of the non humans.
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Lyn Buchanan
Right.
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Jesse
Then if you were to try to have a really vital UFO crash retrieval team, you probably would use remote viewing in order to spot where the UFOs actually crashed.
- [89:18]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, and there are other methods too.
- [89:21]
Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
I mean, one of the things you always hear about a UFO crash, within minutes the government was there.
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Jesse
Right. So that implies some sort of like almost foreknowledge or really low latency. Yeah, you know, almost like quantum entanglement style. Understanding that would come from remote viewing more than it would from traditional communications.
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Lyn Buchanan
No, I think traditional methods. You've seen one of them. What's that on tv? There's a clip that they show on TV every now and then of this UFO that's coming in and a beam goes like that and the thing turns around and leaves. And they say, oh, that was just water on the window. In space there's no water on the window. Come on. And we have UFO weapons. We have identification, friend and foe. We already have those things.
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Jesse
So do you believe that we have a vital UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, and do you think that's tied in with remote viewing programs?
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't think so.
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Jesse
You don't think so?
- [90:35]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't think so. We were never tasked with it.
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Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
There was only one time that I've heard of, I wasn't there at the time that we officially got tasked with the UFO target. All of the rest of the times that we did a lot of UFO stuff came under the heading of practice sessions or some two or three star general might come up to your desk and say, hey, would you do me a favor? And what are you going to say? No, sir. Is it two star? And you've got a sergeant saying, no, sir, that's not going to happen.
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Jesse
Well, didn't you remote view the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Where this is, you know, Royal Air Force, Woodbridge, where you have sort of Royal Air Force, United States Air Force Combined Group in England near Rendlesham Forest.
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Lyn Buchanan
And one of my fortes is drawing floor plans of the insides of buildings. And I was the one that drew the, that went inside that triangular craft and actually drew the floor plans and the insides and all that.
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Jesse
Really?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. Now, to be honest, can I back
- [92:02]
Jesse
up though and just give the audience a little bit of context?
- [92:04]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, okay.
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Jesse
So 1983 different US Air Force sergeants, Jim Penniston, John Burroughs, I'm blanking on the third guy's name. All come across this. They first they see this triangle flying in the woods Then they see it land. And I believe Penniston and Burroughs even went right up to it. And it's this black triangle. And then they found indentations in the thing. And you had Lord Hill Norton, who was head of the Admiral Fleet, saying, I think this happened. You had Colonel Halt, who was there, who was in charge at the time, you know, doing a formal investigation, saying, this happened. And so you were. Were you formally tasked with looking inside of this Triangle UFO as a practice target? As a practice target.
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Lyn Buchanan
As a practice. We were never officially charged in the chain of command with doing UFO targets.
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Jesse
Who assigned you that as a practice target?
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Lyn Buchanan
I forget who it came from. It wasn't Ed Dames. He was always giving us UFO targets.
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Jesse
Ed Dames was?
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
So do you think these guys.
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Lyn Buchanan
This was different. I forget who it came from.
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Jesse
So it's almost like there's a different line of command that's interested in the UFO novel.
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, there's. In any organization you have the formal organization and the informal.
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Jesse
So what's this informal organization that's interested in UFO stuff?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, it's totally unorganized. Like I say, you think it's just
- [93:36]
Jesse
emergent and like personal. Personal interest based.
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Lyn Buchanan
Two Star comes by your desk and says, will you do me a favor? You're not going to say no.
- [93:45]
Jesse
Is the Two Star though, like, are they getting interested because they're like, I heard this crazy thing, I want to know. Or is it more of like some sort of secret other branch?
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Lyn Buchanan
They are all interested, but it's pure personal interest.
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Jesse
You don't think somebody's telling the Two Star, hey, get one of your best guys to look at.
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Lyn Buchanan
I don't ask.
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Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
But do I suspect that they're. Yeah.
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Jesse
So you think there might be another line of command? Another chain of command?
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Lyn Buchanan
Well, you know, it's like they say about the UFOs. They think, what is our danger to our air superiority? That's become an official thing. And so are they going to task a remote viewer with it? Not officially. They're going to come by your desk and say, hey, would you do me a favor?
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Jesse
So you do this guy a favor, this Two Star General, and.
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Lyn Buchanan
And they walk out with the answer and you never hear about it again.
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Jesse
What was inside of this Triangle craft?
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Lyn Buchanan
It was intelligently automated. There were no beings inside of it. There was a place where samples were being preserved. And this thing was going by and finding samples of. I don't know if it was soil or plant stuff or whatever, but there was a place in there where the samples were being kept and then somehow the craft would seem to communicate back that it had found something. But it was totally self automated. There were no beings in it at all.
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Jesse
And what. Any other features of the crowd? The color, the.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, it was red, sort of reddish light. Inside there was a control panel so it could be controlled by beings. And there was this small hallway that went back to a chamber where samples were being held. That was that. Samples of whatever it was it was picking up and finding because it was out searching.
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Jesse
It's like this automated drone sort of thing.
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Lyn Buchanan
Automated drone? Yeah.
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Jesse
And I believe Colonel John Alexander knew about Rendlesham before just about anybody else in the United States, probably.
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Lyn Buchanan
So. Yeah.
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Jesse
Was he involved in your. I guess you can't probably say or.
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Lyn Buchanan
No. John was rarely. I don't think he was ever involved in our unit.
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Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
Bert. Albert Stubblebine, General Stubblebine became a really good friend. I always called him Bert, and Bert intentionally kept him out of it.
- [96:50]
Jesse
Albert Stubblebine is a very interesting figure who seems very conspiratorial himself.
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Lyn Buchanan
He became like a second father to me. I just treasure that man.
- [97:01]
Jesse
What. What is his. Tell us about him? Because he's this very intriguing figure in kind of UFO lore. Like when Steven Greer, for example, initially gets into all this stuff, he sort of. He was this emergency medical doctor, and then he developed CE5, this protocol to sort of call in UFOs. And Stubblebine is first on the scene to, you know, ostensibly try to almost recruit him into some sort of government program.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
So what is. What is Stubblebine like?
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Lyn Buchanan
What's his field in it? Bird had the project going where he had people out looking for PK events and things like this. That's how I got reported to Bert, who was head of the Intelligence and Security Command. That's why he came out to the unit and wanted to talk to me. And at that. We've seen the movie the Minister at Goats. He shoved me into the office and told the commander, I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan and get out. You know, he turned to me and got up in my face and said, did you kill my computers with your mind? And I thought, I have got to lie about this. I knew I had. And I could see my grandchildren paying for computers. Basically, I heard myself say, yes, sir, I did. And the grin that comes across General Hapgood's face in that movie is exactly the grin that came across Bert's face. And you can blip this out if you want. Just immediately right there in my face, he said, far out. Have I ever got a job for you.
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Jesse
That's awesome. Wow. Who do you think tasked him initially with assembling this X Men team of.
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Lyn Buchanan
I think he did it all on his own. He got all kinds of flack from that, really. He really did.
- [99:13]
Jesse
He kind of went rogue a little bit.
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Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Such a fascinating world, you know, all of this stuff. And I always. I find it interesting, too, because you have Hal Puthoff is one of these guys who's kind of, you know, one of the godfathers of remote viewing.
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Lyn Buchanan
He's great.
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Jesse
Amazing guy.
- [99:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And. But then he also is at the forefront of the UFO stuff, and that has to be significant, like, to me at least. I think there has to be this, like, essential overlap between these two things.
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Lyn Buchanan
Okay. You've heard a lot of stories that when a person gets abducted, they suddenly start having psychic ability.
- [99:57]
Jesse
Yes.
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Lyn Buchanan
Okay. I was tasked to do a paper that as soon as I turned it in, it disappeared. I don't know if it's in that place where. That big warehouse where at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. The task was compare and contrast our psychic ability with the ET psychic ability. And I got access to a bunch of stuff that most people will never see. But the end result of that study that I did, I had already found out that you can divide psychically the ETs into four different groups. There's not us and them. There's us and them and them and them and them and them and them. And you can cut them into four different groups. Friends and enemies. And those who have more psychic ability than we have and those who are equal or less psychic than we are. The enemies who are equal or less than we are trying to stay away from here. They don't like us. Okay. The friends who are less or equal to us psychically come here for trade. Come here for trade. And the ones who are more psychic than we are and friends want us to become psychic. The ones who are our enemies and more psychic than we are don't want us off this planet. They'd be very happy to just wipe the planet off, you know, kill all humans, period. And I couldn't figure out why. And this one event that I got the record of, there were three guys camping at a lake, and it was nighttime. They saw a UFO come, and they were standing there on the lake looking at. Came up right over them, and all of a sudden, they couldn't move. They were frozen, and they got abducted. And there was something about that that sort of just made everything that I had studied before that fall Together, and that is that those ETs had much more psychic ability than the humans, but no range. They had to be right over them in order to do anything. With the remote viewing, we can see across space and time, like looking across the room at a stove or something, you know, no different. If we develop our psychic ability when we get out into space, we are going to be a power in the universe because we can see way into the future anywhere in space and all that. And evidently they can't. And so we have that ability. That's why our friends want us out there and our enemies don't want us off this planet.
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Jesse
Do you have a sense of, like, taxonomies of non human intelligence, like the species and stuff? Because I'm not gonna lie. When I speak to people about. When people volunteer information about this, I'm often skeptical. And then in the event in which we are, you know, being visited by non human intelligence, which I believe we are.
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
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Jesse
Then it's somehow obviously very important to categorize them as you just have. But can you categorize them further by. They're from XYZ Planet.
- [104:06]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, you mean in those four groups?
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Jesse
Yeah, I mean, like the classic thing would be like Nordic Grays, Reptilians.
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Lyn Buchanan
What I found was that like the Nordics, the grays and all that fit into all four groups. So there are Grays that hate us, Grays that like us. Grays that are more psychic than we are. Grace that couldn't view their way out of a paper bag if the top was open, you know, and like many of us, and that there was no. Seemed to be no separating them according to type into any of those four groups that some point there are people in any of those four groups that. I mean, in any race that fit into all those four groups.
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Jesse
Have you ever seen a UFO in a hangar?
- [105:06]
Lyn Buchanan
Not in a hangar. Well, in the viewing of Mount Hayes, Mount. Mount Siegel.
- [105:16]
Jesse
Have you ever seen a UFO in the possession of the American military? Not just a UFO that's flying around, you know, in the woods somewhere or something like that.
- [105:25]
Lyn Buchanan
The only one I've seen was in that hangar where the collision had taken place. And there was just a massive dump of debris. And that control panel was there in that debris.
- [105:41]
Jesse
And so where was this? Where did you see this?
- [105:46]
Lyn Buchanan
You're back to where I can't answer.
- [105:48]
Jesse
Can't answer, but. So you must have had a very high clearance at the time.
- [105:54]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, I had one of the highest clearances, not only for the remote viewing, but for Other stuff that I've done that will never be talked about. And I've heard that only 17 people have ever had that.
- [106:12]
Sponsor/Announcer
Really?
- [106:12]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't know if that's true or not.
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Jesse
So it's basically the highest clearance you can get.
- [106:18]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh. When I was given that clearance, he said, that's the highest clearance I've ever given anybody. And I said, well, what is the highest clearance? He said, oh, there is one, but nobody ever gets it. And I said, what's that? And he said, truth.
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Jesse
Truth. I like that.
- [106:38]
Lyn Buchanan
Truth. Nobody learns the truth.
- [106:40]
Jesse
Yeah, that's funny. But you had the highest human clearance in the federal government.
- [106:46]
Lyn Buchanan
I just. I had the highest clearance of anybody I've ever met. Okay. One time, Bert and I were out at lunch, and he said, what is your clearance? And I said, oh, TSESI psyop. And his utensils went down. He said, what? He said, I can't even get that. Oh. And so anyway. But it was because of other work that outside of the Remote viewing unit and outside of all the other that I was doing.
- [107:29]
Jesse
Well, I think that clearance needs a little bit of a rebrand for our audience. That is not psyop. Psychological Operation.
- [107:36]
Lyn Buchanan
No. It's not Strategic Integrated Operation. S I O P. S I O
- [107:42]
Jesse
P. So don't get any ideas, but this UFO that you saw the debris of in a hangar, did you see that in person?
- [107:51]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [107:51]
Jesse
So that wasn't a remote viewing session?
- [107:54]
Lyn Buchanan
No, that wasn't a remote viewing. I was standing there in front of it, and you were standing in front
- [107:58]
Jesse
of a crashed UFO in a hangar.
- [108:01]
Lyn Buchanan
This hangar was dealing with midair collisions. And so the guy, my friend was showing me around and showing me how they put the planes back together and all that, and they had these piles of rubble all over, and they were, you know, to figure out what happened with the midair collision. And we passed by this one, and here was the control panel of a ufo, which I had seen and operated before. And I said, that's out of a ufo. And it echoed in this metal Quonset building. And immediately the colonel who was in charge came running out of his office and, I mean, just ran me out of the place.
- [108:55]
Jesse
A lot of questions. So you said something interesting there. You said, which I had operated before. So you knew that this was a UFO control panel because you had some prior experience with it.
- [109:07]
Lyn Buchanan
I had. I was. I had a. I was abducted. Okay. I was a Methodist minister in East Texas, and the Methodists use. They move their young preachers around from church to church. To give them experience. Every year you move to a different church, and it was time to move. My family had already moved to the new parsonage.
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Jesse
And when you say parsonage.
- [109:40]
Lyn Buchanan
Parsonage is where the preacher lives. It's the house where the preacher lives.
- [109:45]
Jesse
Okay?
- [109:46]
Lyn Buchanan
I was cleaning out the old parsonage, Got it all cleaned out. Everything was in the U Haul, and it was late at night, and I was tired, so I made a pallet down on the living room floor and laid down, and I was wide awake, and I heard something laying in the backyard. Now, this was a country church. We were over a quarter mile off the nearest road in the woods and all that. And I heard something land in the backyard. And I knew it wasn't a helicopter. It didn't sound like a helicopter. It sounded like the. The best example I can give is where some kid sticks a playing card into the spokes of his bicycle. And. And, you know, it was like that. And so I was going to get up and go to the back room and see what was in the backyard. I couldn't move. And I was wide awake. It wasn't sleep paralysis at all. I was wide awake. I couldn't move. And I heard somebody walking around the house to the front window, looking in. And immediately I woke up, and I was sitting in a white room. There were two rows of seats, and I was sitting here. There was an elderly. Elderly woman sitting here. I tried talking to her, and she was just frozen. And there were empty seats over here in a window. Now, when I fly, I have to have a window seat. I can't deal with being inside, you know, I. I have to have a window seat.
- [111:50]
Jesse
Especially on a ufo.
- [111:52]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, no, in a plane, you know. And so I was sitting there and this tall, muscled up. Must have been. Must have been seven feet tall and muscled up like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And just pale as could be, came into the room there. And I said, excuse me, can I sit by the window? He got this look of fear on his face and turned around and ran out. And so a few minutes later, a little gray with three of these big guys huddled behind the gray, for protection, you know, came in. And the gray started talking to me. And I would nod, almost going to sleep and wake up. Finally the gray said, you know, we've got work to do. Come with me. He took me up front. He was the pilot, and he had me kneel down in front of the control panel with me kneeling down and him standing. We were eye to eye. So that tells you his size you know, But I was watching him. He was talking. We were talking to each other and all that. We would land. The tall white guys would go out and come back in, and I guess they were picking up more people. We'd take off again. And finally he said, we're going on a long jump now. And so we went on this thing where we didn't land for quite a while. And I said, I've been watching. Can I try it? And he said, no, human hands are too small. Well, I have some very large hands. And so he said, put your hand up. And I put my hand up. He put his up. And his were almost the same. We were almost the same size hands. And so he said, I'll let you try. And I tried it and didn't wreck the place, I didn't wreck the thing. But he was standing right over me, just in case, you know. And so I tried it and I learned how to do it. Anyway, we landed at some place that was not Earth. And the sky was black, the sun was out, but very dim, and. And looked out the window, the front window, and there were two other ships. There was a string of people going. And I asked him, what do you do here? And he said, we're a medical team. He said, we catch a lot of diseases going around space. And he said, we have no immunity, but you people are like antibody factories. We use your antibodies for health. He said, there are only three of three of our ships and all that. And so anyway, came our time to get off, and I filed back with the other people. And I was getting off, and they were going up this path to a pavilion that was up on the hill. He grabbed me by the arm and he said, you don't want to go up there. And he pulled me over to the side and we sat down on the grass on the hillside. And the grass was totally black, which I found out from somebody later. They said, well, of course it was black with no bright sun. It had to absorb different rays. And so it had to be black tubes or. I don't know. They gave me a scientific reason for it. But as we sat there, we were talking, and you could hear up on the hill, somebody would scream in horror and everybody else would laugh, and then they'd go quiet, and then somebody else would scream in horror and everybody would laugh and all that. And they took turns. And so I was glad I wasn't up there. But anyway, as we talked, he was answering questions and we were talking and I said, well, what are you implanting in us? And he was confused. He said, we don't implant anything into you. I said, well, we find these glass like things and things like that implanted in us. He said, oh, you people won't be still. The tips of our instruments break off. And I said, well, why do you stick those? He said, because we take one or two cells of our disease tissue, put it on that tip and implant it into you and you will start making antibodies. And then we come back and harvest the antibodies. And he said, you people won't be still. The tips break off. And so that's what that was.
- [117:06]
Jesse
So when you say that you heard laughing and then, you know, somebody would
- [117:12]
Lyn Buchanan
shout out, the whole gang would laugh while somebody was screaming and just pain and horror.
- [117:17]
Jesse
Do you think that was like an operation going on?
- [117:20]
Lyn Buchanan
They were doing something to them.
- [117:22]
Jesse
I'm not sure what this antibody infusions, I guess.
- [117:26]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [117:26]
Jesse
Or this tissue infusion that would create the antibodies.
- [117:29]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't know. I wasn't up there, so. But that's what I'm guessing.
- [117:32]
Jesse
And this is. Once you've landed on. Do you know where this other planet is?
- [117:35]
Lyn Buchanan
No, I don't. I just know it wasn't Earth.
- [117:38]
Jesse
I knew that is the other guy, you know, the seven foot guy who looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
- [117:45]
Lyn Buchanan
They were still on the ship. I guess I was sitting there with the little gray on the, on the hillside.
- [117:51]
Jesse
So it's like the grays and the, you know, these like Nordic like things are working together.
- [117:56]
Lyn Buchanan
These weren't Nordics.
- [117:58]
Jesse
What were they?
- [117:59]
Lyn Buchanan
They were just. They struck me as being dumb as a rock. They were just workers for the gray. I don't know what they were doing. They were going out and getting people and coming back.
- [118:15]
Jesse
How do you fly a ufo?
- [118:21]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, let me go on with the story, okay?
- [118:24]
Jesse
Yeah, sure.
- [118:27]
Lyn Buchanan
When everybody came back down. Well, while we're there on the mountainside on the hillside, the pilot said to me, I want you to meet somebody. He went off and got another one that came back, sat down on the hill behind me and said, put up your hand. So I put up my hand. He put his hand on the back of mine. And from that point on I remembered nothing until the people were coming back down the hill and I was in line with him getting back onto the ship. And I turned to the pilot and I said, I'd like to remember all this. And he said, well, you won't. So the next morning I was standing at the back window of the parsonage there looking out, could not remember why I was there. I thought, well, I've been sleepwalking or what? And was just so confused for about five or six minutes. And then I realized, oh, yeah, I'm moving to the new parsonage. So I gathered up the pallet I had made, threw it into the U Haul, and drove off, thinking, I've forgotten something. Over the next 25 years that grew and grew and grew until I couldn't leave the house without going back five times. What have I forgotten? What have I forgotten? And no matter where we lived. And so one day we were headed for church, and my wife was sick and tired of all this. And so she said, did you check the basement? Yes, I checked the bed. Did you check the kitchen? Did you check the stove? Did you check. And I said, yes. And she said, did you check the backyard? And when she said that, 25 years later after the event, it all came flooding back. And I remembered. And I thought, this is stupid. I've never been abducted. Come on, give me a break. But it hit me so hard, I sat down on the front steps and I just couldn't move. And so the next day, I was in the remote viewing unit. By that time the next day, I got some encrypted coordinates, just some numbers, and it gave it to all the people as a practice target. And they came back with what I had remembered, really. And so I thought, telepathic overlay. They're just reading my mind. It never happened. So evidently, it was Ed Dames that reported me. And the following week, I was up at the Defense Intelligence Agency going to see the director. And the two men in black stepped out of the north. Out of a little conference room, pointed in. And I knew the routine of the men in black. And so I went in and sat down. The men in black are not aliens, okay? They're a hired professional interrogator. And the other person who sets off to the side and never says anything is the person from a unit that has questions that they give to the interrogator. And he sits over there and listens for answers. That's why he sits over there and never says anything. And so the interrogator has a list of questions. He jumbles them back and forth and, you know, mixes them up and says them in different ways to see if you're going to trip yourself up. And so he was. He kept asking about the control panel. And I thought when they stepped out in the hallway, I thought, they want to see if somebody with my clearance has gone crazy. So I thought that's what it was in there for. But he kept asking about the control panel. And so about the fourth or fifth time he asked, I said, no, this is how you work it, and explained it. And the guy over to the side slapped his leg and said, so that's it. I looked over and I realized he's got one and didn't know how to fly it. I looked back at the interrogator and grinned. The interrogator is trained to never make an expression of any kind. But his ears started turning red. I could tell he was angry. And within 20 seconds, I was in the room by myself. They were gone. And so I thought maybe I was abducted. I don't know. Then about a year later, I was at this facility on this other mission. Met this guy that I had known way back, years before in the military. Found out what he did. He showed me through this hangar, and that's where I came across this pile. And I said, that's out of a ufo and got kicked out of there. But the minute I saw that, I thought I was abducted.
- [124:19]
Jesse
What did the control panel look like?
- [124:23]
Lyn Buchanan
It has an impression of a hand on it. This one, the one in the hangar did. The one on the ship didn't. Had the impression of a hand. There are holes over it. Okay. And where you put your finger over the hole is what works the works, the controls, the ship.
- [124:49]
Jesse
Any sort of surface materials. Metallic, metal.
- [124:53]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, but is it gray? It's the holes. The holes where you put your. Where you stop. One of the holes up. That's how they control the ship.
- [125:03]
Jesse
Was it gray or any particular color?
- [125:08]
Lyn Buchanan
It was just metal, as far as I remember. Yeah.
- [125:12]
Jesse
And so when you said, I think that's a control panel from a ufo, you clearly hit it.
- [125:19]
Lyn Buchanan
I said, that's out of a ufo. Definite statement. That's out of a ufo. And it just echoed in that hangar. And.
- [125:28]
Jesse
And they got angry immediately.
- [125:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, they kicked me out, man. With warnings. They kicked me out. Yeah.
- [125:37]
Jesse
What were the warnings?
- [125:39]
Lyn Buchanan
You don't tell this about anybody, you know, you don't ever mention this about. To anybody.
- [125:46]
Jesse
Why do you feel okay talking about it now?
- [125:50]
Lyn Buchanan
Because I can talk about it. I can't tell you where it is. It's.
- [125:54]
Jesse
No context, is. Okay.
- [125:55]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, yeah.
- [125:57]
Jesse
And when were you abducted? What year?
- [126:02]
Lyn Buchanan
It was 25 years before that. So it'd be 60, 63, 65 somewhere around there.
- [126:14]
Jesse
Sure. And was it from your place, and were you in New Mexico at the time or.
- [126:19]
Lyn Buchanan
No, I was in Texas.
- [126:20]
Jesse
You're in Texas?
- [126:23]
Lyn Buchanan
In East Texas. East Texas Church.
- [126:26]
Jesse
And did that have any transformer? You mentioned some abductees have greater psychic powers. Did that change you in any sort of way?
- [126:38]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't think so. Like I say, growing up, when I was 12 and 15, I was all this PK stuff, and I had had some psychic experiences when I was young and all through life, but nothing astounding of any way. And then when Bert put me into the remote viewing unit, that's where I learned. The controlled remote viewing. To use your psychic ability to collect intelligence.
- [127:18]
Jesse
So fascinating. How long do you feel like you were on this UFO for when you were abducted?
- [127:26]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, it was. It felt like hours, and it felt like a long time.
- [127:33]
Jesse
Did you have missing time at all, like, in. In the real world?
- [127:38]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, I was there on the pallet in the living room, and the next morning, I was standing at the back window looking out at the backyard, so. Had to be just overnight, you know?
- [127:56]
Jesse
Did anyone in your family ask what had happened to you?
- [128:01]
Lyn Buchanan
No, because when I left and went to the new parsonage, I felt like I'd forgotten something at the other parsonage, but I didn't remember any of it for 25 years until.
- [128:14]
Jesse
So it was the control panel that you saw in the hangar that freaked you out and made you remember the abduction?
- [128:22]
Lyn Buchanan
No, it was when my wife said, did you check the backyard?
- [128:26]
Jesse
Okay.
- [128:27]
Lyn Buchanan
And she was making fun of me, but when she said that, it all came back.
- [128:33]
Jesse
Really?
- [128:34]
Lyn Buchanan
And so the next Monday, I went to work there at the remote viewing unit, gave them the task, and they confirmed it. I didn't believe it. The men in black confirmed it. I didn't believe it. A year later, I saw that pile of stuff in that hangar, saw the control panel, and that's when I said I was abducted.
- [129:02]
Jesse
Got it. So. So what, you had the flashback when your wife said, go check the backyard?
- [129:09]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, but that was.
- [129:11]
Jesse
Why did that give you the flashback?
- [129:14]
Lyn Buchanan
Evidently, because when that happened, I was trying to get up and go to the backyard and see what. What happened, what landed. And so I didn't remember the whole. I didn't remember any of it. When I drove away from the parsonage that day to go to the new. To the new house, all I could think of was how to get to the new house. And also the feeling that, hey, I forgot something.
- [129:47]
Jesse
Did you have an implant at any point in your body afterwards that you found? No.
- [129:53]
Lyn Buchanan
He grabbed me by the arm, and he said, you don't want to go up there.
- [129:58]
Jesse
So how do you fly a ufo? Because presumably, this Gray sort of taught you.
- [130:03]
Lyn Buchanan
He showed me the fingering and all that. And that's when I explained to the interrogator. And that's when the guy said. Slapped his leg, said. So that's it.
- [130:14]
Jesse
Is there some sort of mental connection? No, just putting the fingers just how
- [130:19]
Lyn Buchanan
you work the control panel.
- [130:21]
Jesse
Because if I was the guy in the hangar, you said they had other crashed, you know, prosaic.
- [130:26]
Lyn Buchanan
They had crashed airplanes.
- [130:27]
Jesse
Crashed airplanes, yeah. So if I had other crashed airplanes and I was an aerospace person and I saw a control panel and it had like, you know, five different little holes for. For your fingers.
- [130:39]
Lyn Buchanan
Had a bunch of holes, yeah.
- [130:40]
Jesse
So I. My, my maybe, like, initial assumption would be that's how you, you know, fly it. But he didn't figure that out on his own.
- [130:48]
Lyn Buchanan
I imagine a regular aeronautics person would think, what a piece of junk.
- [130:54]
Jesse
Yeah. Or that. Or they just would have no idea. So he didn't even know the control panel. Yeah.
- [130:58]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [130:59]
Jesse
Interesting.
- [131:00]
Lyn Buchanan
But evidently somebody knew it was a
- [131:02]
Jesse
control panel because they got mad and kicked you out. Yeah, but it was just sitting there, like, kind of unattended to.
- [131:10]
Lyn Buchanan
It was in a pile over to one side.
- [131:12]
Jesse
Interesting. So bizarre was this. Do you think they had any intention of reverse engineering it?
- [131:21]
Lyn Buchanan
I have no idea. We just were walking past pile of wreckage. Pile of wreckage. Pile of wreckage. And there was this one pile of wreckage, and there was that. Control panels. Did you, sitting up there, did you
- [131:34]
Jesse
experience any sort of psychic phenomena, like around the metal that sometimes occurs?
- [131:40]
Lyn Buchanan
Okay.
- [131:41]
Jesse
No, it was just there.
- [131:42]
Lyn Buchanan
I just saw it. And. Hey, that's out of a ufo. Whoa.
- [131:48]
Jesse
It's pretty wild.
- [131:50]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [131:51]
Jesse
Has anyone else showed you a photo or a drawing of their abduction experience that looks at all like this control panel that you saw?
- [131:59]
Lyn Buchanan
No, not a one. But then they never show you the inside of the ship. I don't think. I've never seen anything like that. They tell stories about their abduction and all that, but.
- [132:13]
Jesse
Did you ever come across a guy named General William Neil McCasland?
- [132:19]
Lyn Buchanan
No.
- [132:20]
Jesse
He was at Wright Patterson.
- [132:21]
Lyn Buchanan
No, I didn't.
- [132:23]
Jesse
Did you ever come across Hans Adams, by any chance? The Lichtenstein Royal Prince? No.
- [132:29]
Lyn Buchanan
No.
- [132:29]
Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
In fact, the, you know, the UFOs that. I've seen a lot of UFOs. I mean, I live in Alamogordo. We see UFOs all the time, and I mean, provable UFOs. And it's gotten to where. Yeah, it's a UFO, so. Yeah, so what? And they're here. I know it. So. So what? There's nothing I can do about it.
- [133:08]
Jesse
Do you think there's also a lineage of exotic propulsion that's man made?
- [133:15]
Lyn Buchanan
What? My friend who did the technology transfer with one of the groups of aliens told me at one time, he said way back when we found that if you explode something, it moves things, it blows things away. So you can cause motion by exploding things. And that has led to the internal combustion engine and the jet plane and all that. You explode and it makes things move. He said that the group he dealt with way back when, they found that you can move things with magnets. And that just as we have taken the fire and turned it into rockets that can go to other planets, that can go to the moon, they have taken magnetism and over the centuries they have developed to where? And he said one of the things that he had seen was that we think they're so more advanced than we are. They think we're so far advanced than they are, when actually we've just advanced in two different directions. But he said that's why they're eager to trade with us.
- [134:39]
Jesse
Interesting, because we've like almost split off from them as far as our trajectories.
- [134:45]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [134:46]
Jesse
Is there anything having to do with timelines? Like are they us on a different timeline sort of thing?
- [134:53]
Lyn Buchanan
Not from anything I've heard him say.
- [134:58]
Jesse
Did you ever encounter any religious figures in your experience with remote viewing?
- [135:03]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh yeah.
- [135:04]
Jesse
Like who?
- [135:05]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, but not, not tied with ETS or anything like that.
- [135:10]
Jesse
Were you ever tasked with looking into the Buddha or Jesus or Muhammad?
- [135:15]
Lyn Buchanan
Absolutely, yeah.
- [135:16]
Jesse
Which one of those
- [135:19]
Lyn Buchanan
two that were most meaningful to me one time? Well, I think we already mentioned that one of my fortes was mental excess. And so I was tasked a lot of times with doing personality profiles or even deeper than that, getting the plans and intentions of foreign leaders. And personality profile is just where you give a personality profile. So I went over one day and they said, we have a personality profile for you. And they gave me the coordinates. And just almost immediately I said, this isn't one of the bad guys. And my monitor said, well, you're tasked with it. Go ahead and do the session. By the end of that session, I was just feeling like I was glowing. And my entire summary on that session was, whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. He's a good guy. And in that session I found myself again with the perfect side integration. I was standing there and this little Jewish looking guy was standing in front of me in a modern business suit. And we didn't talk so much as just, you know, related to each other and all that. And I felt just dirty in front of this guy. And basically what he let me know was, whatever evil you've done, I've seen a whole lot worse. Whatever good you've done, I've seen a whole lot better. And I don't care. I like you anyway. And when I came out of the session, that's what I knew. But what I wrote was, whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. You know, it's a good guy. And that's when the monitor opened the envelope and our director had written the word Jesus on it. So I cannot say I physically met Jesus, but I have had the experience of it, and it changed my life. It really did.
- [138:11]
Jesse
What did you feel when you were in his presence?
- [138:13]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, I felt dirty. I felt so dirty. I felt so guilty of myself and everything else I felt, you know.
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Jesse
But you felt loved, huh? Did you also feel loved?
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Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, absolutely. When he said, I don't care, he said, I love you anyway, you know. And why was he.
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Jesse
You don't think of Jesus in a, you know, business suit. Why do you think he was?
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Lyn Buchanan
I think that was a way of saying he's not a thing out of the past and, you know, wearing robes and all that. He's here today. That's the only interpretation I can get of that.
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Jesse
Did he look like Jesus is traditionally depicted?
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Lyn Buchanan
Nowhere near. No. No. I mean, this looked like a short little Jewish guy.
- [139:05]
Jesse
Where was he and what was he? Just kind of.
- [139:07]
Lyn Buchanan
He was just standing there in front of me. Yeah.
- [139:10]
Jesse
In. In, like, hyperspace or in a room
- [139:12]
Lyn Buchanan
or in a room. And it was all dark in the room, but we were there, you know. Wow.
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Jesse
And did you ever remote view any other religious figures or mystics?
- [139:23]
Lyn Buchanan
One other time they had done this with Bill Ray, and they did it with me. They probably did it with all the others. I was to do a. You know, just a target. They didn't even say personality profile or anything like that. And I found myself surrounded by total darkness. But I was standing in some light. I couldn't figure out where the light was coming from. And I heard this voice that said, you know, You know, welcome to me and all that. And I said, well, what am I doing here? He said, you're here to learn. I said, okay, what am I supposed to learn? And there was no answer. And I said, well, look, give me something. And the voice said, I've given you everything you need. What I give you now, I give through you, not to you. And when I came out of the session and they opened the envelope, it said God.
- [140:51]
Jesse
Really?
- [140:51]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
Did you see God?
- [140:55]
Lyn Buchanan
I didn't, but I heard the voice clearly. From now on, everything. I give you a gift through you, not to you.
- [141:04]
Jesse
What did you feel in God's presence?
- [141:07]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, total confusion. I was thinking, hey, I've got a target, I've got to write a report on this.
- [141:18]
Jesse
But did you feel awestruck?
- [141:21]
Lyn Buchanan
No, I was in an empty room hearing a voice.
- [141:27]
Jesse
Did you feel love?
- [141:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Not really. The voice was, I mean, just more friendly than you'd ever know, you know, and kind and all that.
- [141:44]
Jesse
Do you think you actually spoke to God?
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Lyn Buchanan
I think God spoke to me, yeah. And I think what I was there to learn was from now on, I give through you, not to you.
- [142:04]
Jesse
Do you think on the remote viewing program, anybody ever engaged in sort of deception or trickery or do you think it was always pretty straightforward? They gave you a target?
- [142:16]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, we had constructive trickery. I know one time we had one of the viewers go over and one of the things you have to learn in remote viewing is how to overcome pollution. And so we were never supposed to pollute each other, but you don't learn how to overcome pollution by not facing it. And so one time one of the viewers was going over and he'd been having trouble with fighting pollution. And so we had the coffee pot and he always got coffee to take over with him to the other building when he did a session. And it was a practice session. And so I went up and got my coffee at the same time. And right as he finished fixing his coffee and turned to go away, I said, oh, by the way, your target today is probably not the Eiffel Tower. And I turned and walked away, back to my desk and left him standing there having to fight the Eiffel Tower. And we would do things like that to each other, you know.
- [143:34]
Jesse
Why do you think they asked you to remote view God and Jesus?
- [143:38]
Lyn Buchanan
It was, I think, something they did for all of us. Why Bill Ray? I know they had him remote view Buddha and that was a life changing experience for him. And I think they did that to all of us just, just to give us the experience. Many of the targets we got were to gain experience in how to view things.
- [144:11]
Jesse
Did you view anything historical that they want? Like did they ever say, look at the French Revolution or look at the,
- [144:18]
Lyn Buchanan
you know, we did those because there was feedback. They wouldn't give us targets for which there was no feedback.
- [144:26]
Jesse
Judge, what's an example of a famous historical event that you remote view.
- [144:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, things like Joan of Arc.
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Jesse
What did. What did Joan of Arc? What did those two look like?
- [144:41]
Lyn Buchanan
Joan of Arc. Different parts of her life. We also just events in history, historical places.
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Jesse
What was Napoleon like?
- [144:57]
Lyn Buchanan
Napoleon was just egotistical, like you wouldn't believe. I mean, he was God's favorite in all this, you know, and he was. He was his own hero.
- [145:17]
Jesse
Is there anything you can say about Napoleon that isn't conventionally known but that you learned through your remote viewing of?
- [145:25]
Lyn Buchanan
I'm not sure what's conventionally known.
- [145:27]
Jesse
Well, I think people think of him as like this. Yeah. Chip on his shoulder because his dad was.
- [145:33]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, did he?
- [145:33]
Jesse
Yeah, yeah. Because his dad was a Corsican governor, so that was off the coast of France. And, you know, he didn't.
- [145:41]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, the one thing that I really know about him is the time that he had the War of the Rabbits. Have you heard of that one?
- [145:48]
Jesse
No.
- [145:50]
Lyn Buchanan
It was a celebration of some big event that he did. And so he was going to have all of his generals come out to do a rabbit hunt, a wild rabbit hunt. And they couldn't find enough rabbits, so they got all these tame rabbits from rabbit raisers and all that. And right before the thing. Event, they let him loose in the woods. Well, the rabbits saw the humans and thought, oh, feeding time. And so all the rabbits ran toward the generals and just swarmed the generals, and the generals started running. And Napoleon himself had to jump into his cart. There were hundreds of them. Had to jump into his cart, into his carriage. And as the carriage went away, he was throwing rabbits out the window. He lost the war to the rabbits.
- [146:49]
Jesse
Whoa. Is this documented?
- [146:51]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, it's documented.
- [146:52]
Jesse
And you saw it?
- [146:53]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah. And I give it now as a target to my students. Yeah.
- [147:00]
Jesse
What's the most disturbing thing you've ever seen historically?
- [147:05]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, historically or not historically.
- [147:08]
Jesse
Could have been contemporary or historic.
- [147:13]
Lyn Buchanan
There are a lot of inhumanities that humans do, and I know a lot of police work. Finding missing children. I have a lot of students who come and they say, well, I want to help find missing children. And I warn them ahead of time. In order to do that, you're going to have to experience where the children are, what they're going through and all that. And you're going to actually experience children being molested, killed, chopped into pieces, and buried across acres of land. Do you really want to do that? You know, and I always tell beginning students, do not get involved in this until you're highly, highly trained, because it can Mess you up emotionally like you wouldn't believe.
- [148:17]
Jesse
I mean, highly trained and highly, highly desensitized. I don't know how anybody wouldn't be, you know, broken into many pieces emotionally. Oh yeah.
- [148:27]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, it can, it can be.
- [148:30]
Jesse
Jesus.
- [148:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Really bad. Yeah.
- [148:33]
Jesse
All right, well, we got to take it to a more positive place after that. What about all these missing scientists? Have you looked into any of them? So I mentioned I've been tasked with
- [148:43]
Lyn Buchanan
it, so I haven't done it. Yeah.
- [148:45]
Jesse
Could I task you with it?
- [148:48]
Lyn Buchanan
You can. We won't have any feedback for who knows how long.
- [148:52]
Jesse
Okay. All right, well let's talk after this.
- [148:55]
Lyn Buchanan
All right.
- [148:58]
Jesse
Do you have any. Has anybody tasked you with anything on this hantavirus? This like people are worried about this Covid 2.0 virus that seems like it's caused some issues on this cruise ship. And you know, people think it might cause another pandemic.
- [149:13]
Lyn Buchanan
Not directly on that. Back in 1998, I was tasked with viewing the future of the U.S. it wound up. I viewed the future of the world up through the year 2050. And I turned in this whole long list of changes that were going to happen. And I have watched them come true one after another, after another. And would it just glossing over everything we're going down. I mean it's going to be some hard, hard, hard times that's going to result in quite a bit of warfare. Quite a bit of. One of the things it pointed out was killing off of 75% of the world population.
- [150:20]
Jesse
What?
- [150:21]
Lyn Buchanan
75%?
- [150:23]
Jesse
With what
- [150:25]
Lyn Buchanan
man made disasters like earthquakes and so on. Also gave a list of other things. But what I found was that by the year about 2040, there will be almost no centralized government. We will be an agrarian society. Any goods that we can't make for ourselves or grow for ourselves will be delivered. And there will be almost no social interaction with a few people that are left, except through technology. And one of the things was you can make your own tools. And I thought how in the world can you make your own tools? In 1998 they didn't have 3D printers and yet I saw people just going to this machine and making their own tools.
- [151:27]
Jesse
Well, this sounds terrible, okay, but earlier you mentioned that we are bound to be a space faring species. And the only way to do that is to have one world government. But in this sort of prophecy it feels like there's no central government. So how do those two.
- [151:46]
Lyn Buchanan
I think it's going to wind up after that. So I don't think we're Going to get into space until around 2080 or even afterwards.
- [151:54]
Jesse
Okay. And when you say into space because we're technically in space now, you mean.
- [151:59]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, we're technically in space. I mean into space as a community of the space, you know, of space.
- [152:06]
Jesse
Yeah.
- [152:07]
Lyn Buchanan
I mean, right now we can go to the moon, maybe we can go to Mars. That's it.
- [152:12]
Jesse
If humans can bilocate with their consciousness, do you think there's a secret space program which has a ridiculous connotation, but do you think there is a secret space program involving human consciousness where humans bilocate systematically to other planets?
- [152:28]
Lyn Buchanan
Yes.
- [152:30]
Jesse
You're smiling.
- [152:32]
Lyn Buchanan
I think so. Yes.
- [152:33]
Jesse
Do you think so or do you know so?
- [152:36]
Lyn Buchanan
I'm not involved.
- [152:39]
Jesse
Sounds like you might know so. But.
- [152:41]
Lyn Buchanan
But have we done that? Yeah, I've done that.
- [152:45]
Jesse
Yeah, you've done that.
- [152:46]
Lyn Buchanan
But outside of just if there is an effort, I'm not involved.
- [152:50]
Jesse
Okay, fascinating.
- [152:53]
Lyn Buchanan
But is it possible? Yeah, been there, done that. But.
- [152:57]
Jesse
Well, I was just thinking you said,
- [152:59]
Lyn Buchanan
you know, didn't get. Didn't get the T shirt.
- [153:02]
Sponsor/Announcer
Fair enough.
- [153:03]
Jesse
Well, you hit no gift shop. Well, you mentioned your Mars story. And then I'm thinking in my head, if you can systematically do that, and there are stories that Go back to 17th century Swedish mystic Emanuel Swedenborg saying he went to other planets and coming back. If there is a science behind that.
- [153:22]
Lyn Buchanan
There is, and I didn't mention that. There's also what they're calling remote influencing, which is actually a form of remote persuasion. But you can mentally interact telepathically with others, pass messages back and forth and all that. We've learned how to do that. Wow. Not hard. Whether that's people on Earth or beings on another planet, it's actually very easy to do at the extreme highest levels of crv. Yeah.
- [154:01]
Jesse
Have you ever worked with a guy who supposedly ran the CIA weird desk? Kit Green.
- [154:07]
Lyn Buchanan
I know of Kit Green.
- [154:09]
Jesse
Okay. Have you ever been experimented with vis a vis radiation to see if that would affect your psychic abilities?
- [154:20]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, for that. Yeah, no, for that. But we can detect radiation quite easily. Not only, you know, like particle weapons and all that, or radiation like, you know, uranium and radiant radium and all that, but also just transmitters, you know, radio transmitters. Oh, it's very possible. Like if the enemy in the field is transmitting, we know generally what their frequency band is because we know what frequency bands the other countries uses. Okay. But you can say to remote viewer, remote view this thing, and you'll come up and see something sticking up a pole or something like that. And it's glowing. Let's say you take the visible spectrum and spread it out over their radio frequency spectrum they have. And you look for the blue green. Now you know what, what frequency they're transmitting on. You tune your radio to that frequency and you intercept their traffic.
- [155:53]
Jesse
It's interesting that areas of high entropy and nuclear are easier to remote view because I think of the UFO nuclear connection and it seems like UFOs show up around nukes and areas of high entropy and it almost feels like they do cleanup jobs around Chernobyl.
- [156:13]
Lyn Buchanan
I've written, I've written a paper about that that if it's true, shows that it has nothing to do with that at all as to why they show up.
- [156:28]
Jesse
So why do they show up?
- [156:33]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't even know if there's a short method, elevator method of saying this. Space time continuum, okay? Time is a part of space time continuum. Space is three dimensional. Time has got to be three dimensional too.
- [156:54]
Jesse
People think of it as the fourth dimension.
- [156:56]
Lyn Buchanan
It's not. It is a part of three dimensional space time. Okay, Therefore, let's say that, well, you know how in ancient times the sun went around the earth and the heavens went around the earth and we were the center of everything, right?
- [157:18]
Jesse
Yes.
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Lyn Buchanan
We look at time the same way we're here and time comes toward us and it goes past us and all that bullcrap. Time is a part of the space time continuum. It's linear because we're going through it. Okay. So if there's a disturbance in space time continuum out here as we go toward it, we can get, you know, some of the waves of what it's, of it coming. Therefore, we can see what we call our future. We're just picking up on where we are in the space time continuum as we go through it. We can look into the past and see what was there. But space time time itself stands still and we're passing through it. Therefore, if there's some big disturbance in the spacetime continuum, we will be attracted to it. Some other people going through the space time continuum in another way will also be attracted to it. And it's like two trains coming into the train station at the same time and their Bigfoot pops in and then Bigfoot disappears because we go on.
- [158:53]
Jesse
So the disturbance creates some sort of inward pull between timelines and you get
- [159:00]
Lyn Buchanan
a collision when we cross. At the same time, we see a portal open, we see a UFO suddenly pop into existence and suddenly pop out and things like that.
- [159:13]
Jesse
You remote viewed Chernobyl.
- [159:15]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah. Ahead of time. Yeah. Three days before it happened.
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Sponsor/Announcer
You predicted it.
- [159:20]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [159:20]
Jesse
Whoa.
- [159:21]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
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Jesse
And what did people say?
- [159:24]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, the task on that was describe what's going to be on the headlines in the Sunday paper. That was on Friday. What I got was the Chernobyl meltdown. Well, Iceland detected the radiation cloud coming over on Tuesday. And Tuesday was when the news came out about Chernobyl. And therefore the Sunday paper did not have their Chernobyl event in it, even though it had already happened. And so I got a zero because it was wrong.
- [160:10]
Jesse
Wow. Well, I think you got it right, but.
- [160:14]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah, I got it right. Described everything, even the purpose, how it happened, and everything else.
- [160:19]
Jesse
But when you say the purpose or like, what. What caused it.
- [160:23]
Lyn Buchanan
What caused it? Yeah, and also the purpose. There was a purpose.
- [160:27]
Jesse
What was the purpose?
- [160:32]
Lyn Buchanan
Six tons of fissionable material that was at the plant, not in the reactors was. It was that the plant was missing, has been missing, and it's unaccounted for.
- [160:48]
Jesse
Whoa. Where do you think it's at?
- [160:52]
Lyn Buchanan
I know where it's at.
- [160:54]
Jesse
You can't say.
- [160:55]
Lyn Buchanan
I won't say. But, yeah, I know where it's at. But it was. It was.
- [161:03]
Jesse
So you think that was a little, you know, intentional job being done?
- [161:08]
Lyn Buchanan
I think so.
- [161:09]
Jesse
Not just a little meltdown?
- [161:10]
Lyn Buchanan
No, no.
- [161:11]
Jesse
Whoa.
- [161:12]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. But, you know, it's.
- [161:15]
Jesse
And your conviction level on that is pretty really high. Over 90?
- [161:20]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. Yeah.
- [161:21]
Jesse
Close to a hundred.
- [161:22]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, Close to a hundred. Yeah.
- [161:25]
Jesse
Does anybody else in open source world believe this? Like, theorize? Okay.
- [161:31]
Lyn Buchanan
So other people talk about nobody can account for the missing stockpile that was there and is now, and it was no longer there. Wow. Yeah.
- [161:41]
Jesse
I gotta look into that. You also were tasked with looking into a Russian death ray.
- [161:49]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah, The Russians were developing a particle beam weapon at Semipalitanksk. And so somebody in one of our science groups or something wanted to know what happens inside the beam. Well, on a particle beam weapon, you can't stick an instrument inside to find out what's happening because it vaporizes it immediately. So somebody had the genius idea of sticking a remote viewer into the beam. And so they came out and they told us ahead of time, you know, and I thought that'd be neat, so I volunteered for it. And we worked it to the point where I had the perfect side integration. I was standing there in front of this beam and I stepped into it. And when I did, Even time itself is messed up inside that beam. And the whole list of experiences just were phenomenal. One of the things was it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life, just the colors and everything else. What I got was that the particles in the beam are not shooting straight like light does. They swirl as they go. And that was what the scientists wanted to know. And so that was the part that they accepted back. All the other experiences were just mine that I had, and I don't think anybody cared.
- [163:52]
Jesse
So some of your remote viewing was in the service of fundamental science, espionage.
- [163:59]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, you do what you're tasked to do. Yeah.
- [164:04]
Jesse
So interesting. Your fellow remote viewer, who is highly skilled, who we mentioned earlier in this interview, Pat Price died in a very mysterious way.
- [164:14]
Lyn Buchanan
I never met him.
- [164:14]
Jesse
Yeah, you never met him. Do you have any theories as to why he died or some people think that maybe he was killed. I think Hal Puthoff is publicly speculated about that.
- [164:27]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. I've heard other stories from people who were there who tell a different story from the story that's published. And also I've heard that a couple of years later he was seen in a department store in Washington, D.C. and the head of the Department of Security years later said Pat Price died and we haven't heard from him since.
- [165:04]
Jesse
Whoa. Yeah, that's a little coded message there.
- [165:08]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah. Interesting.
- [165:10]
Jesse
So you think he might still be alive or lived for a while?
- [165:14]
Lyn Buchanan
They say he was cremated and all that, but I've heard that the ambulance that picked him up was an unmarked ambulance drove away and his body was never seen since.
- [165:29]
Jesse
Why do you think?
- [165:30]
Lyn Buchanan
Family or anybody.
- [165:32]
Jesse
That's crazy. Why do you think that the US hasn't gone back to the moon. We just had the Artemis mission where we sort of flew around the moon. But since 1972, since Apollo 17, I believe we have not gone back to the moon.
- [165:46]
Lyn Buchanan
And I have no idea. I think we should go back.
- [165:53]
Jesse
What do you think happens with the future of UFO disclosure, do you think in, you know, 20, 30 years, it sounds like you are predicting some calamities and some catastrophe, some population reduction?
- [166:07]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, not. Not dealing with UFO. Not dealing with the UFOs and the ETs.
- [166:11]
Jesse
No, no, I know we're going to
- [166:13]
Lyn Buchanan
do that to ourselves.
- [166:14]
Jesse
Yeah, yeah. Which. That sucks. But. But alongside that, it does feel like right now there's a lot of momentum behind UFO disclosure.
- [166:23]
Lyn Buchanan
I think the disclosure is going to come out.
- [166:26]
Jesse
You do?
- [166:26]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [166:27]
Jesse
And so. And what do you think the world looks like on that dimension in 20 years? Do you think it's like academia is teaching UFO classes and, you know, these are the alien races that are visiting us, that sort of thing?
- [166:40]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, it could be. Yeah. I think The. We will get exposure to the ETs, you know, physical exposure to the ETs within several years. But you do for us to be in space and join the community out there, or that's going to take a long time.
- [167:02]
Jesse
But you think they're going to reveal their presence in a more kind of widespread, obvious way?
- [167:07]
Lyn Buchanan
I think so.
- [167:08]
Jesse
Near term, yeah. Next few years.
- [167:11]
Lyn Buchanan
I think they're already doing that. Yeah.
- [167:13]
Jesse
Okay.
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Lyn Buchanan
And, you know, if you were out there, would you want the Earth people coming out and dealing with them? I wouldn't. I don't know.
- [167:28]
Jesse
It sort of depends on a million different factors. But, yeah, if you were some super, you know, pure ancient and advanced race of beings. Yeah.
- [167:38]
Lyn Buchanan
Maybe.
- [167:38]
Jesse
Maybe you wouldn't want to deal with a little change.
- [167:39]
Lyn Buchanan
Like I say, they've advanced in a different direction. I wouldn't say they're more advanced.
- [167:45]
Jesse
Sure.
- [167:45]
Lyn Buchanan
Not all of them.
- [167:46]
Jesse
Yeah, yeah. How do you reconcile your kind of religious inclinations with all of this UFO and alien knowledge?
- [167:57]
Lyn Buchanan
I see no problem with it. I think you would be an absolute idiot to believe that on 400 quintillion planets that exist, this is the only one that has life. Come on. And you would limit God to that? Come on.
- [168:24]
Jesse
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. No, I agree. All of God's creations. Yeah. I don't think it's so disruptive. You know, people are talking about.
- [168:33]
Lyn Buchanan
I don't either.
- [168:35]
Jesse
Pastors getting sort of, you know, spoken to by these intel. People who are worried that it's going to cause a lot of disruption. It's like, who cares? Just be a normal, rational person about it. And, you know, if you're religious, great. If you're not, that's fine, you know.
- [168:49]
Lyn Buchanan
Well, being spoken to about it, I think is an interpretation. Like people say the men in black, they threaten you at the end. They don't. They tell you, you know, you shouldn't talk about this to anybody. And after you've sat there, one of the things when you're being interviewed by the men in black is you're going to start trying to make jokes. They are not going to respond. No humor, period. And so all of a sudden you're getting defensive. You're getting, oh, you know, and. And all that. And so when they say you shouldn't talk this, you take it as a threat. They're just telling you you shouldn't talk about this to anybody. That's all they're saying, you know.
- [169:42]
Jesse
Yeah, yeah. Would you say you're generally clairvoyant and, and sort of you have, like, A psychic propensity beyond just the remote viewing training. I mean, it sounds like it gives you childhood. Yeah, yeah.
- [169:54]
Lyn Buchanan
I always have had. Yeah.
- [169:55]
Jesse
Do you pick up anything about me?
- [169:58]
Lyn Buchanan
Not really. One of the things that you learn to do in the controlled remote viewing is turn it off. We have a thing called the ambiance exercise. The ambiance exercise makes you sensitive to the world around you. The ninjas have a thing called Saka no Jutsu, where you're aware of everything and 360 degrees around you. We developed that with the ambiance exercise. And it gets to where you can't go to a restaurant, you can't go to a church, you can't be around people. It's just bombard.
- [170:41]
Jesse
You hypersensitive?
- [170:42]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And so you learn. With step 16, you learn to turn it off. And there are 20 steps in all in the training of it, and you learn to turn it off. And somebody will be in conversation with somebody and they'll forget a word or something like that. And I go dip and supply the word to them or something like that, or they'll forget a fact and I can dip in real quick and get. And remind them of. And they say, oh, yeah, I remember now. But you can help people that way. And somebody needs cheering up. You can get to their subconscious and cheer them up. But other than that, I find it very distasteful to get into other people's minds. Yeah, I just. I don't do it.
- [171:47]
Jesse
Do you have any advice for me or for audience members who want to get deeper on the UFO stuff? They want to understand more kind of discrete truths, what's actually going on, because you hear all these differing things that are often mutually exclusive.
- [172:03]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, yeah.
- [172:04]
Jesse
From all the whole cast of, you know, motley crew of characters. Is there a source that you really trust when it comes to UFO stuff?
- [172:14]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, a few, but they're individuals.
- [172:20]
Jesse
Who are they?
- [172:23]
Lyn Buchanan
I'm not going to say that.
- [172:25]
Jesse
Are they. They're not public? They're not public. They're private?
- [172:27]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, absolutely. No, my friend that was in charge of the technology transfer, you know, I'll never give his name.
- [172:38]
Jesse
Oh, that's amazing. Who's in charge of technology transfer from the ETs?
- [172:43]
Lyn Buchanan
From one of the ETs. Wow. From one of the groups of ETs.
- [172:47]
Jesse
Would you ever know it with him? Was he just like kind of a humble, like, under the radar?
- [172:51]
Lyn Buchanan
I'd go visit him and he'd say, lyn, you got to come see my new toys.
- [172:56]
Jesse
Why do you think he was so open with you about all this stuff. Presumably he kept it secret.
- [173:02]
Lyn Buchanan
Oh, he basically knew who I was and my background and all that.
- [173:06]
Jesse
So he knew your high level clearances and your history.
- [173:09]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [173:11]
Jesse
It's fascinating. Well, I want to know more. I really.
- [173:17]
Lyn Buchanan
Everybody does.
- [173:18]
Jesse
Yeah. Oh, do you think that the public has a right to know more? Do you think it's at all destabilizing or there's like a reason to slow it down? They say, why not?
- [173:27]
Lyn Buchanan
They say, when in doubt, classify. And so too much gets classified.
- [173:32]
Jesse
I agree. Like, why can't we know about the ET Tech transfer program? That sounds awesome.
- [173:38]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah. And all you hear is wild rumors about it, like, who invented Velcro. And the thing is that for a lot of things, you don't want the public involved. They just mess everything up. Other things is you don't want sometimes religion involved or politics involved or whatever. And for another thing, many times it wouldn't do any good for whether people know it or not. And, you know, some of the secret stuff that's kept secret is wonderful. Everybody should know about it. There are other stuff that I hope nobody ever finds out about.
- [174:35]
Jesse
Absolutely.
- [174:36]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [174:37]
Jesse
Yeah. To anybody who thinks that nothing should be classified, I mean, that's ridiculous. Like, atomic trade secrets should obviously be classified. You know, honestly, if you know to the extent that, like, at the higher levels of remote viewing ability, you can do damage to other people, I would hope that never comes out. I mean, that's a really scary prospect.
- [174:58]
Lyn Buchanan
And, you know, like they said In World War II, loose lips sink ships.
- [175:04]
Jesse
There you go.
- [175:05]
Lyn Buchanan
Yeah.
- [175:05]
Jesse
Yeah. Well, Lynn, I really appreciate this, man. This is a lot of fun. It was very kind of comprehensive.
- [175:13]
Lyn Buchanan
I think we kind of went all over the place here, but we did. I enjoyed talking to you.
- [175:18]
Jesse
Yeah. And I have add, so. And I love talking to you too, so. No, this was an abso. Absolute blast. You're full of knowledge, insights.
- [175:25]
Lyn Buchanan
I've enjoyed this. Well, I'd like to plug my book, which is the Seventh Sense, by me.
- [175:33]
Jesse
Get it on Amazon.
- [175:35]
Lyn Buchanan
On Amazon. And the Sixth Sense is your ambiance. What you feel in the room around you. That's a real sense.
- [175:47]
Jesse
How you feeling?
- [175:48]
Lyn Buchanan
Sixth Sense is when I can feel what's going on in the Kremlin. Wow. And that's your seventh sense. But also on TikTok, YouTube and Instagram, I have a growing series of short little three minute things that explain all the aspects of controlled remote viewing. Remote viewing and all that.
- [176:19]
Jesse
That's awesome. Is it. Is it just at Lynn Buchanan or what? Do you know what the handle is?
- [176:23]
Lyn Buchanan
It's Inside Remote viewing. All one word. Check out Inside remote viewing.
- [176:30]
Jesse
Check out Inside remote viewing. TikTok, Instagram.
- [176:34]
Lyn Buchanan
Right.
- [176:34]
Jesse
X, maybe Twitter.
- [176:37]
Lyn Buchanan
No, just this three.
- [176:38]
Jesse
Okay. Check out TikTok, Instagram, YouTube at. Inside.
- [176:43]
Lyn Buchanan
Inside Remote viewing.
- [176:44]
Jesse
Inside Remote viewing. Check it out.
- [176:46]
Lyn Buchanan
Also, I have a course that I teach online and it's the full course of the remote viewing Controlled Remote viewing created by Inga Swann and used by the military for all those years for intelligence collection, now being used for businesses, for police work, for institutions, for research and development.
- [177:11]
Jesse
What's that website?
- [177:13]
Lyn Buchanan
It's crv I e w e r
- [177:19]
Jesse
c rviewer.com crviewer.com check it out. And you told me off air that some of your students are getting amazing results akin to or better than some of your past.
- [177:31]
Lyn Buchanan
Some of them are doing better than we ever did in the military.
- [177:34]
Jesse
That's amazing.
- [177:34]
Lyn Buchanan
Amazing. And the course is on a course platform, educational platform called Kajabi. You get permanent access to it when you sign up. I don't believe in any of this stuff of, you know, every six months you pay for a ref. I don't believe in that. You get permanent access. And we have webinars where we go over people's work. We talk about things that aren't in the course and things like that.
- [178:10]
Jesse
If levels six through. I forgot what it was. 11 are, you know, kind of classified. But you were given access to that. How are people in the civilian world able to.
- [178:21]
Lyn Buchanan
No, I give. I give access to stages one through seven.
- [178:27]
Jesse
So how do they get better results with that than the higher.
- [178:31]
Lyn Buchanan
They're. They're getting more accurate than we were. It's amazing.
- [178:36]
Jesse
But you were saying that, you know, some of the more, you know, kind of spooky stuff goes on at level seven through higher.
- [178:46]
Lyn Buchanan
Level eight through 18. Yeah. And that's not taught to the public.
- [178:51]
Jesse
Okay. But on pure accuracy, all you need is 1 through 7, and you can get more accurate than people who know 1 through 18.
- [179:03]
Lyn Buchanan
But not the same kind of information.
- [179:05]
Jesse
Got it. Interesting. Okay, cool. Just want to clarify there. Leave no stone unturned. Okay, thanks, Lynn. Well, I appreciate this. This was awesome. I really appreciate all. You mean. You have an amazing history.
- [179:18]
Lyn Buchanan
It's an honor being invited. Thank you very much.
- [179:21]
Jesse
Oh, it's an honor to have you. I'm just, you know, measly interviewer.
- [179:27]
Lyn Buchanan
I'm glad to finally meet you too.
- [179:28]
Jesse
Likewise, man. No, this is a full circle moment. You were really gonna be. And I'm glad because I didn't know much at the time, but you were gonna be the first American Alchemist, and now you're. I know so much more and so that we can have a better conversation. But this is a full circle moment. It's very cool.
- [179:46]
Lyn Buchanan
Thank you very much.
- [179:47]
Jesse
Thank you, Alchemist. Did you enjoy that?
- [179:56]
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