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Join Jesse Michels in an exclusive sit-down with Michael Shellenberger, recorded right after the UAP congressional hearings on November 13, 2024. Shellenberger delves into the hearings' revelations and his newly released Immaculate Constellation report.

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'Immaculate Constellation' Groundbreaking Reveal (ft. Michael Shellenberger)

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