American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Episode: The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

Guest: Filippo Biondi
Date: December 7, 2025

Overview

In this groundbreaking conversation, Jesse Michels interviews Italian scientist and radar engineer Filippo Biondi about his team's astonishing discoveries beneath the Khafre Pyramid on the Giza Plateau using advanced Doppler tomography and synthetic aperture radar. The episode explores the implications of vast, spiral, possibly manmade structures extending deep under the pyramids, the technological and methodological innovations that enabled these findings, and the cultural, scientific, and historical questions they raise. Biondi discusses the limitations of current dogmas, the politics of Egyptology, and the revolutionary potential of their research for both history and technology.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discovery Under the Khafre Pyramid

• Massive Underground Structures:
  • “We are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre pyramid…extending underneath for, let’s say, tens and tens of meters…over 1km of depth.”
    — Filippo Biondi [05:12]
• Unique Geometry:
  • “The structures are like cubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid…four plus four cubes descending underneath…at the bottom, probably huge chambers approximately 80 meters wide and of height.”
    — Biondi [05:42–06:21]
• Spiral Tubes or Coils:
  • “We have noticed these tubes have a sort of spiral nature…each tube has a core in the center…”
    — Biondi [07:21–07:43]

2. Innovative Scanning Method — Beyond Conventional Radar

• Limitations of Classical SAR:
  • “Radar, synthetic radar cannot penetrate the earth…very, very few centimeters of penetration.”
    — Biondi [11:04]
• Breakthrough Technique (Doppler Tomography):
  • “We developed a new technique…able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth…combining photons and phonons at the boundary.”
    — Biondi [11:55–13:05]
  • “We can scan the earth according to slices located below the earth…everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth.”
    — Biondi [15:32–15:55]
• Commercial & Scientific Validation:
  • Technique used for mapping magma chambers under volcanoes, mining, oil extraction, etc.
    — [18:15–19:57]
  • Used by Italian military; also validated at Gran Sasso Laboratory (matched 100% with known structure)
    — [55:12–55:42]

3. Power Grid, Energy Theories, and Water’s Role

• Is the Pyramid an Advanced Power Plant?
  • “What can we say is…there are these structures, tubes, huge tubes that are descending…with spiral nature."
    — Biondi [07:03–07:23]
  • “Christopher Dunn…gave this theory about energy, power plant or something related to information…”
    — Biondi [30:34]
• Information from the Stars, Water as the ‘Actor’:
  • “Something related to information, information from the stars…But…water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.”
    — Biondi [31:39–32:10]
  • “Water, when flows…generates a certain information in terms of a vibration that is very precise…pyramids and water are connected together.”
    — Biondi [32:24–32:59]

4. Challenging Egyptological Orthodoxy

• Mainstream Skepticism & Cultural Politics:
  • On critics: “Even in preparing for this interview…ChatGPT…gives you, ‘Synthetic aperture radar can’t penetrate below a quarter of a centimeter’…They don’t even mention Doppler tomography.”
    — Jesse [20:18]
  • “You just have these people in charge who are close-minded, they’re corrupt…their incentives are to force-fit any new finding into the country’s own history…”
    — Jesse [62:01]
• Biondi’s Approach:
  • “We are not against them, but we are together. We are all together.”
    — Biondi [63:26]
  • Proposing a carefully focused, collaborative research proposal for Egyptian authorities
    — [61:04–61:14]

5. Speculation & Scientific Caution

• Cold Fusion, Piezoelectricity, Fusion Theories:
  • “Please give me another question. I don’t know…” (on whether pyramid was a fusion machine)
    — Biondi [43:06]
  • “Water goes through these spirals and…spirals are made by piezoelectric material…that generates electricity.”
    — Biondi [70:58]
• Validation and Peer Review:
  • “As a scientist, I have to validate…validating things that are underneath is very difficult.”
    — Biondi [54:09]
  • Working on peer-reviewed papers, findings with four separate SAR satellites and multiple validations.
    — [58:08–59:10, 82:42–84:46]

6. Wider Context & Comparable Discoveries

• Other Researchers and Theories:
  • “Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock…others have been saying…these structures possibly dating back to pre-Egyptian kingdoms…”
    — Jesse [24:09–25:33]
  • “In some portion of the Giza plateau, we found a mess…like a network of underground tunnels.”
    — Biondi [74:58]
• Tip of The Iceberg:
  • “The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg is just a hat to complete something that is located underneath.”
    — Biondi [76:15]
  • “Under the Sphinx…same thing…not four plus four, but…a smaller version…”
    — Biondi [79:08]

7. Collaboration & Future Directions

• Main Project Steps:
  • Finish scanning
    — [59:42]
  • Seek permissions, in situ seismic measurements, cleaning entrance shafts between Khafre pyramid and Sphinx
    — [66:03–68:47]
  • Potential partnership with ScanPyramids team using muon tomography
    — [108:53–113:03]
• Optimism for Discovery:
  • “Maybe 2026 will be a year where…we will know really more in terms of information about the pyramids…”
    — Biondi [90:18]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Depth and Nature of the Underground Structures

  “We are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre pyramid…over 1km of depth.”
  — Filippo Biondi [05:12]

• On the Role of Water

  “Water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.”
  — Filippo Biondi [32:10]
  “Water is the important stuff of life…in terms of number of molecules that compose our body, we are 99% of water.”
  — Biondi [33:18]

• On Theories—Energy, Information, and Mystery

  "These structures, the tubes that are going below the Earth, the pyramid. Are something related to information, information from the stars.”
  — Biondi [31:29]

• On Validation and Peer Review

  “We did measurements of the Gran Sasso d’Italia physics laboratory…our measurements and the reality match 100%.”
  — Biondi [55:19–55:42]
  “We are proposing measurements. Let’s see what happens.”
  — Biondi [84:42]

• On Dogma and Progress

  “The whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forward. Scientific paradigm shifts occur when there’s a buildup of anomalies and then the dam breaks.”
  — Jesse [104:34]
  “Everyone has to be open minded…heresia in Italian, in Latin, it means to be free. Free of mind.”
  — Biondi [103:39]

Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |--------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:30 | Introduction and significance of Biondi’s discovery | | 05:12 | Description of structures found beneath the pyramid (columns, coils, depth) | | 09:33 | Overview of Synthetic Aperture Radar, limitations, and technological breakthroughs | | 13:37 | Theory behind Doppler tomography—how vibrations reveal underground structures | | 19:01 | Application of method to volcanoes, commercial mining, and defense | | 25:33 | Egyptology, alternative history, and the suppression of unorthodox findings | | 29:32 | Collaboration with Christopher Dunn, discussion of power plant theory | | 32:10 | Role of water in pyramid hypothesis | | 39:46 | Deep dive into cold fusion, palladium, deuterium, and its speculative link to ancient engineering | | 47:06 | Addressing skepticism about Doppler tomography's penetration depth | | 53:10 | Validation methods, use of Biondi’s own (not AI) software | | 62:01 | Cultural and political challenges in getting in-field authorization in Egypt | | 66:03 | Proposal to clean and explore existing shafts on the Giza Plateau | | 82:42 | Peer review, academic challenges, and approach to publication | | 90:18 | Next steps and optimism for imminent discoveries | |104:34 | Reflections on scientific orthodoxy, heretical thinking, and paradigm shifts | |110:00 | Potential collaboration with the ScanPyramids (muon tomography) project |

Additional Findings & Future Directions

• Networks All Over Giza:
  Biondi’s scans reveal similar underground, spiral structures not only beneath Khafre but under Menkaure and the Sphinx, suggesting a complex, interlinked subterranean system.
  — [79:06–79:43]

• Skepticism and Hope in Academia:
  Biondi is both grateful for and frustrated by academic gatekeeping; his group's papers are under peer review, and he aims for methodological humility to maximize acceptance.
  — [82:03–84:46]

• Call for Collaboration:
  Open to working with other teams using different methods (muon tomography, seismic, etc.) to cross-validate and expand the findings, and stresses the need for open-mindedness in science.
  — [110:00–113:00]

Final Thoughts

Jesse closes by affirming the transformative significance of these findings, whatever their eventual explanation. Biondi remains cautious but passionate, focused on concrete measurement and calling for international and interdisciplinary collaboration.

“Maybe the final proof is to go there and watch and see what there is. We have to go inside.”
— Filippo Biondi [89:08]

A sense of anticipation for 2026 pervades the discussion, with both host and guest hopeful that permission for in situ exploration of the Giza Plateau will yield world-changing revelations about our past and perhaps, through ancient technology, our future.

For listeners and readers curious about the interface of hard science, ancient mysteries, and paradigm-challenging discovery, this is a must-listen episode.