The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

Summary

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American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Episode: The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

Guest: Filippo Biondi
Date: December 7, 2025

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Overview

In this groundbreaking conversation, Jesse Michels interviews Italian scientist and radar engineer Filippo Biondi about his team's astonishing discoveries beneath the Khafre Pyramid on the Giza Plateau using advanced Doppler tomography and synthetic aperture radar. The episode explores the implications of vast, spiral, possibly manmade structures extending deep under the pyramids, the technological and methodological innovations that enabled these findings, and the cultural, scientific, and historical questions they raise. Biondi discusses the limitations of current dogmas, the politics of Egyptology, and the revolutionary potential of their research for both history and technology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discovery Under the Khafre Pyramid

• Massive Underground Structures:
  • “We are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre pyramid…extending underneath for, let’s say, tens and tens of meters…over 1km of depth.”
    — Filippo Biondi [05:12]
• Unique Geometry:
  • “The structures are like cubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid…four plus four cubes descending underneath…at the bottom, probably huge chambers approximately 80 meters wide and of height.”
    — Biondi [05:42–06:21]
• Spiral Tubes or Coils:
  • “We have noticed these tubes have a sort of spiral nature…each tube has a core in the center…”
    — Biondi [07:21–07:43]

2. Innovative Scanning Method — Beyond Conventional Radar

• Limitations of Classical SAR:
  • “Radar, synthetic radar cannot penetrate the earth…very, very few centimeters of penetration.”
    — Biondi [11:04]
• Breakthrough Technique (Doppler Tomography):
  • “We developed a new technique…able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth…combining photons and phonons at the boundary.”
    — Biondi [11:55–13:05]
  • “We can scan the earth according to slices located below the earth…everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth.”
    — Biondi [15:32–15:55]
• Commercial & Scientific Validation:
  • Technique used for mapping magma chambers under volcanoes, mining, oil extraction, etc.
    — [18:15–19:57]
  • Used by Italian military; also validated at Gran Sasso Laboratory (matched 100% with known structure)
    — [55:12–55:42]

3. Power Grid, Energy Theories, and Water’s Role

• Is the Pyramid an Advanced Power Plant?
  • “What can we say is…there are these structures, tubes, huge tubes that are descending…with spiral nature."
    — Biondi [07:03–07:23]
  • “Christopher Dunn…gave this theory about energy, power plant or something related to information…”
    — Biondi [30:34]
• Information from the Stars, Water as the ‘Actor’:
  • “Something related to information, information from the stars…But…water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.”
    — Biondi [31:39–32:10]
  • “Water, when flows…generates a certain information in terms of a vibration that is very precise…pyramids and water are connected together.”
    — Biondi [32:24–32:59]

4. Challenging Egyptological Orthodoxy

• Mainstream Skepticism & Cultural Politics:
  • On critics: “Even in preparing for this interview…ChatGPT…gives you, ‘Synthetic aperture radar can’t penetrate below a quarter of a centimeter’…They don’t even mention Doppler tomography.”
    — Jesse [20:18]
  • “You just have these people in charge who are close-minded, they’re corrupt…their incentives are to force-fit any new finding into the country’s own history…”
    — Jesse [62:01]
• Biondi’s Approach:
  • “We are not against them, but we are together. We are all together.”
    — Biondi [63:26]
  • Proposing a carefully focused, collaborative research proposal for Egyptian authorities
    — [61:04–61:14]

5. Speculation & Scientific Caution

• Cold Fusion, Piezoelectricity, Fusion Theories:
  • “Please give me another question. I don’t know…” (on whether pyramid was a fusion machine)
    — Biondi [43:06]
  • “Water goes through these spirals and…spirals are made by piezoelectric material…that generates electricity.”
    — Biondi [70:58]
• Validation and Peer Review:
  • “As a scientist, I have to validate…validating things that are underneath is very difficult.”
    — Biondi [54:09]
  • Working on peer-reviewed papers, findings with four separate SAR satellites and multiple validations.
    — [58:08–59:10, 82:42–84:46]

6. Wider Context & Comparable Discoveries

• Other Researchers and Theories:
  • “Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock…others have been saying…these structures possibly dating back to pre-Egyptian kingdoms…”
    — Jesse [24:09–25:33]
  • “In some portion of the Giza plateau, we found a mess…like a network of underground tunnels.”
    — Biondi [74:58]
• Tip of The Iceberg:
  • “The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg is just a hat to complete something that is located underneath.”
    — Biondi [76:15]
  • “Under the Sphinx…same thing…not four plus four, but…a smaller version…”
    — Biondi [79:08]

7. Collaboration & Future Directions

• Main Project Steps:
  • Finish scanning
    — [59:42]
  • Seek permissions, in situ seismic measurements, cleaning entrance shafts between Khafre pyramid and Sphinx
    — [66:03–68:47]
  • Potential partnership with ScanPyramids team using muon tomography
    — [108:53–113:03]
• Optimism for Discovery:
  • “Maybe 2026 will be a year where…we will know really more in terms of information about the pyramids…”
    — Biondi [90:18]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Depth and Nature of the Underground Structures

  “We are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre pyramid…over 1km of depth.”
  — Filippo Biondi [05:12]

• On the Role of Water

  “Water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.”
  — Filippo Biondi [32:10]
  “Water is the important stuff of life…in terms of number of molecules that compose our body, we are 99% of water.”
  — Biondi [33:18]

• On Theories—Energy, Information, and Mystery

  "These structures, the tubes that are going below the Earth, the pyramid. Are something related to information, information from the stars.”
  — Biondi [31:29]

• On Validation and Peer Review

  “We did measurements of the Gran Sasso d’Italia physics laboratory…our measurements and the reality match 100%.”
  — Biondi [55:19–55:42]
  “We are proposing measurements. Let’s see what happens.”
  — Biondi [84:42]

• On Dogma and Progress

  “The whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forward. Scientific paradigm shifts occur when there’s a buildup of anomalies and then the dam breaks.”
  — Jesse [104:34]
  “Everyone has to be open minded…heresia in Italian, in Latin, it means to be free. Free of mind.”
  — Biondi [103:39]

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |--------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:30 | Introduction and significance of Biondi’s discovery | | 05:12 | Description of structures found beneath the pyramid (columns, coils, depth) | | 09:33 | Overview of Synthetic Aperture Radar, limitations, and technological breakthroughs | | 13:37 | Theory behind Doppler tomography—how vibrations reveal underground structures | | 19:01 | Application of method to volcanoes, commercial mining, and defense | | 25:33 | Egyptology, alternative history, and the suppression of unorthodox findings | | 29:32 | Collaboration with Christopher Dunn, discussion of power plant theory | | 32:10 | Role of water in pyramid hypothesis | | 39:46 | Deep dive into cold fusion, palladium, deuterium, and its speculative link to ancient engineering | | 47:06 | Addressing skepticism about Doppler tomography's penetration depth | | 53:10 | Validation methods, use of Biondi’s own (not AI) software | | 62:01 | Cultural and political challenges in getting in-field authorization in Egypt | | 66:03 | Proposal to clean and explore existing shafts on the Giza Plateau | | 82:42 | Peer review, academic challenges, and approach to publication | | 90:18 | Next steps and optimism for imminent discoveries | |104:34 | Reflections on scientific orthodoxy, heretical thinking, and paradigm shifts | |110:00 | Potential collaboration with the ScanPyramids (muon tomography) project |

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Additional Findings & Future Directions

• Networks All Over Giza:
  Biondi’s scans reveal similar underground, spiral structures not only beneath Khafre but under Menkaure and the Sphinx, suggesting a complex, interlinked subterranean system.
  — [79:06–79:43]

• Skepticism and Hope in Academia:
  Biondi is both grateful for and frustrated by academic gatekeeping; his group's papers are under peer review, and he aims for methodological humility to maximize acceptance.
  — [82:03–84:46]

• Call for Collaboration:
  Open to working with other teams using different methods (muon tomography, seismic, etc.) to cross-validate and expand the findings, and stresses the need for open-mindedness in science.
  — [110:00–113:00]

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Final Thoughts

Jesse closes by affirming the transformative significance of these findings, whatever their eventual explanation. Biondi remains cautious but passionate, focused on concrete measurement and calling for international and interdisciplinary collaboration.

“Maybe the final proof is to go there and watch and see what there is. We have to go inside.”
— Filippo Biondi [89:08]

A sense of anticipation for 2026 pervades the discussion, with both host and guest hopeful that permission for in situ exploration of the Giza Plateau will yield world-changing revelations about our past and perhaps, through ancient technology, our future.

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For listeners and readers curious about the interface of hard science, ancient mysteries, and paradigm-challenging discovery, this is a must-listen episode.

Transcript

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[Host (Jesse)]

I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century. I am struggling to express in words just how significant of a Discovery this.

[Filippo Biondi]

Is.8 Hollow cylindrical structures that are underneath.

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The middle pyramid on the Giza plateau.

[Host (Jesse)]

With columns and coils around the columns. I'm like, what?

[Filippo Biondi]

We have measured approximately over 1km of depth.

[Host (Jesse)]

Over a kilometer of depth.

Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine?

[Filippo Biondi]

Please give me another question. I don't know. Maybe the water goes through these spirals and the spirals are made by piezoelectric material.

[Host (Jesse)]

You think we can turn the power grid back on?

[Filippo Biondi]

We do like that.

[Host (Jesse)]

I'm here with Filippo Biondi, who shocked the world with the discovery earlier this year. He really did. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century and I don't know exactly what it points towards. I hope you can help, you know, elucidate, make clear what it does today and what your methodology was. But you detected through this synthetic aperture radar, Doppler tomography, this really exciting new technique. What seems to be like, it looks like an energy grid below the Khafre Pyramid on the Giza plateau. And there's a lot of controversy. You have Zahi Hawass, who's this cultural Minister of Culture there, Former minister of Culture. And he says it's fake news and there's nothing there. And then you have a lot of people supporting you, saying that there actually probably is something underground. Obviously that whole area is full of subterranean chambers. So it's an honor to speak with you today. I'm very excited to get to the bottom of this here in beautiful Perugia, Italy.

[Filippo Biondi]

Thank you very much. Yes.

Thank you for saying me that we made.

A very great discovery in Giza.

Just to begin, the work was done together with Corrado Malanga, who is the head of the research group, Armando Mei and me. I am the technician that developed this synthetic, a virtual technique. And I share it to the group. So to. And to everyone. To everyone. And so to perform the scanning at the Giza plateau, I want to start.

[Host (Jesse)]

With the most like to the point question and then we can back up and figure out how we got there. What in your opinion say a gun was to your head? You had to just guess what, what do you think is underneath the Khafre Pyramid?

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay, yes, thank you for this question. The answer is very. Is a bit difficult for me to give to give you an answer, a precise answer, because the truth, we will know the truth only if we go inside the physical either to check what there is exactly. Now what we can say that we have measurements, measurements, physical measurements that are acoustic measurements. And we performed these measurements as you announced before, using a synthetic aperture rad. Then we will speak about the synthetic aperture radar and how we arrived to perform these measurements. We are considering tomographic analysis on. First of all, we began this analysis on the Great Pyramid of Cheops and then we moved on the Khafre Pyramid and then extending all the measurements, the measurements on all the Gisa Plateau. So what we are watching, we are watching huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre pyramid. And these structures goes. Are extending underneath for let's say tens and tens of meters approximately. We have measured approximately over 1km of depth.

[Host (Jesse)]

Over a kilometer of depth?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah.

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[Host (Jesse)]

So over a thousand meters. And what do the structures look like?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes, the structures are like that. The tomographies are public. So we have.

Done a scientific interpretation of those tomographies and they are.

Like cubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid. We are counting at the moment.

Four plus four cubes that are descending underneath and they are connecting the top, so the base of the pyramid to something that is located at the bottom. So at the bottom we probably have huge chambers for approximately 80 meters wide of y of width and also of height. 80 meters. Wow. On the bottom.

[Host (Jesse)]

On the bottom, yes. And so what is that? That's like the kind of foundation structure on which the tubes probably because we.

[Filippo Biondi]

Are observing that the tubes are connected to the respective top of this structure. They are connected and goes inside also because then I explain you why and all the physics that is behind all these measurements. And.

Obviously we don't know the exact.

Objective of these things.

What we know now is this, there are these structures, tubes, huge tubes that are descending underneath. And we have noticed that these tubes has a sort of spiral nature.

So.

They spirals around themselves going down. And then we have noticed that each tube has a core in the center which is that, let's say connects.

The spirals.

And this core the sh down.

So just to Be clear, the physics behind all this work that we have done.

We have used.

An equipment or a device, let's say a device, a payload that is called a radar. Radar is an acronym that it means radio detection and ranging. So we detect things remotely. And while we detect things, we can also measure a distance. This is a radar. In the past, the radar was installed on board the ships, maybe to know for safe safety, navigation or onboard aeroplanes. But today they are also on board the satellites. And of course, the technology advanced and radar became Synthetic Aperture Radar. Why Synthetic Aperture Radar? Because.

We need to perform.

Pictures, electromagnetic pictures of the Earth. It recasts in the so called remote sen of the Earth Earth observation. And the more the aperture and the detailed are the image of the radar. So Synthetic Aperture Radar, it means that we synthesize a very long aperture in order to have very high resolution on the Earth. We are talking about submetric resolution. Maybe a pixel can be of this dimension of, of this square that is the floor. So it is very important.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, it's like a quarter of a meter, right? Yeah, it's pretty strong resolution. And there are companies like ISI and others that do all sorts of work when it comes to Synthetic Aperture Radar. They have, you know, Umbra, Capella Space, which I think are responsible for some of these scans, are very credible companies that do work in defense and commercial applications as well.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes. Okay, they are. There are the companies that you said they. Yes, they are American Capella Space and also ICI is an European company. We have Cosmos Kind and Cosmos kind of second generation, which is an Italian company affiliated to the Italian Space Agency. So we have a lot of equipments, a lot of radars, and we use the data.

Produced by these satellites to perform the scanning on Giza.

[Host (Jesse)]

And so radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic Aperture Radar is a way to do that with finer resolution, essentially. And so how does that work exactly?

[Filippo Biondi]

I have to tell you this, that is very important because initially when we announced this discovery.

There was a lot of mess in terms of scientifical information.

So misunderstanding, a lot of misunderstanding. Radar, synthetic radar cannot penetrate the earth. So electromagnetic. Electromagnetic waves also has only superficial interaction. According to the Maxwell theory. According to the past physics, classical physics, the interaction of electromagnetic wave, superficial, maybe you can have a bit of penetration, but very, very few centimeters of penetration.

In this case, we have used, we have developed a new technique which we are able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth. Why?

Because.

Vibrations penetrates the earth. It means that photon and phonons which is the quantum of light, of electromagnetic waves and the quantum of vibrations. So photon and phonons are separated by something called boundary. It means that light propagates only in the free space and not in the matter. Phonon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space. So in order to combine, to combine these two, we tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon. Where we have both of them, try to guess where we have both of them in the intersection at the boundary. And at the boundary we have the information of the photons and the phonons, we have the interaction of them. And there we were able to.

Retrieve the so called sufficient statistic in order to perform tomographic inversion and so to go deeply inside the Earth. So this is something that we have developed two years ago. And this is new. And at the beginning, people were not, you know, it was something new. So it had to pass some time in order to realize that this was possible.

[Host (Jesse)]

Is something penetrating the Earth. So in the case of radar, like you said, it's reflecting off the Earth's surface, pretty much superficial. What else is penetrating the Earth? To even gather the data on the.

[Filippo Biondi]

Structures, I tell you this, the satellite flies in the space on a velocity of approximately 7 kilometers per second. It means that in one second the satellite has flight flow 7 kilometers.

Then this high speed, this high velocity permits the rudder to, to synthesize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Doppler, it means that the electromagnetic waves that we transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the Earth. Okay? If the Earth vibrates because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration due by the cities, the presence of vibration due by any natural.

Phenomena occurring on the Earth while we are observing it by the radar, it means that the Earth is moving. And if this movement performs a.

Frequency modulation on the return of the signal, so this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. So we can grab the vibration of the Earth. And this vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present.

Below the Earth. According to this, it was possible to perform an algorithm that.

Realizes tomography tomography. It means I look inside tomos. In Latin it means slice. Okay, so we can scan the Earth according to slice that are located below the Earth slice. Imagine to.

Uncharge or to extract a vibrational slice from below the Earth. And here you can see everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth.

[Host (Jesse)]

So phonon, which is vibration, converts to photon, which is basically A light packet which is the unit of an electromagnetic wave. The frequency modulation then goes to the satellite and allows you to read vibrational differences in the earth, which is obviously, you know, kind of correlated with material differences under the earth. And you can figure out the structure underneath the earth, is that correct? Roughly, yes.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay, that's very interesting. And I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases, right? Like this isn't just used for scanning underneath the pyramids. Has this been used in commercial industry and defense? Anything else?

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[Filippo Biondi]

It can be used for everything, I suppose for commercial purpose because if when we are able to retrieve the superfic vibration of depth in order to perform tomography, we can use this technique for maybe for mining, maybe for crude oil extraction, maybe for other kind of application that can be useful for humans.

[Host (Jesse)]

Is it currently used for anything? Like I've heard that it might be used to map magma chambers and volcanoes?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes, can be used for map the magma chambers of the volcanoes. That in my personal opinion is very important to do this type of.

Facilities. Because I give you an example, in Italy we have a very dangerous volcano which is the Vesuvius, that is located in naples. And from 1948, this volcano is not smoking anymore. So it is accumulating energy.

[Host (Jesse)]

Oh, wow.

[Filippo Biondi]

And we know that. I'm not saying that tomorrow will erode. I'm not saying this, but it has to be monetized. I tell you, Italy is very.

Here in Italy, we are focused on depth volcano. It means that it is very under attention. There are a lot of in situ seismograph radars are using the so called interferometry.

Which measures the displacement of the Earth are always also. I do it on my work. It is always under attention. This other method can help scientists to study volcanoes. Absolutely, yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Wow. I mean, I think it's very important for people to hear that this method is used in business contexts when money is on the line, or in the case of Mount Vesuvius, so that another Pompeii doesn't happen. You know, lives are on the line. So this is a tried and true method, Doppler tomography. Because it's really funny, man. Like, even in preparing for this interview, you can chatgpt. You know, you're finding under the copper pyramid. The response you get back is Synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below, you know, a quarter of a centimeter below the Earth. They don't even mention the Doppler tomography, which is used in all these other contexts. So it's just bizarre. Like, I don't know why. I don't know why either, man. Yeah, okay. So that's really helpful that it's used constantly. And I think it's important for people to understand your background as well. You do some work with the Italian military that's classified. You can't even speak about it. Right. So it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it. Should I not even be asking about that? Okay. I'm just saying the facts that you do it. Are you not supposed to say it? Okay, sorry. I mean, in the U.S. like, you can say like, I do work. I just can't talk about it. But you don't even want to say that you do the work. Okay, okay, forget it.

What was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids? You know, how you know, did you have a hypothesis? Like, I mean, most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes, thank you for this question. The first thing I did is to move on Vesuvius because I had in my.

Consciousness to make something for humanity. So the first thing is, okay, let's see what is happening. What is happening.

Under the Vesuvius. And I wrote a paper. It was very, very nice paper. And together also with the National Research Council of Italy, because.

We have synchronized that the data coming from in situ seismograph with the radar data and matching together was I suggest to read that paper is very nice. It is open source. Everything is open source. And here I can say it's in my article or not, it's in my book, it's in my article.

And then after writing this or something.

No money only for humanity and continuing this paradigma only for humanity. According to my friend in 2019, Corrado Malanga, we decided to do something.

Concerning if it was possible to scan inside the.

Khnum Khufu or Cheops spirit. And then we made the motivation. The motivation was because.

Giza is I think, the best archaeological site in the world. There are a lot of things that in my personal opinion, has to be discovered and we are doing it. So we moved there because we were motivated, very motivated to move in Jizza because Jiza is very important for humanity. And you go for the past. Who we are, who are we? Because in my personal opinion, people when they born, we don't know who we are. We are here and we don't know anything about our past, our history and who we are truly.

[Host (Jesse)]

And it really. Egypt is the center of the debate. If humans have collective amnesia and we don't remember who we are. Egypt is the center of the epicenter of that kind of discussion. Because you have people on the one hand like Robert Baval and Graham Hancock and Robert Schock, who since the 90s have been saying very interesting things about, you know, possibly limestone damage on the Sphinx. And, you know, a lot of these structures possibly being dating back to, you know, pre. What we think of as kind of the, you know, the Egyptian kingdoms talking about their mapping to, you know, processions and to, you know, to Orion's Belt at the time of 10,500 when they think maybe the Sphinx was built and you have subterranean chambers in that area as well. You have Zahi Wass, the Minister of Culture, famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information, but admitting that there are some chambers down there. He even went down in certain cases. And then it's often, you know, nothing to see here. Don't, don't dig further, you know, so it is. It is this. And then if you think about Western civilization, the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians and Egypt, you know, pre Egypt, you have Sumeria you have a couple of other cultures we know less about, but Egypt was far more advanced than a lot of what was preceding it. And so it's this really interesting seminal place to look.

[Filippo Biondi]

I think I agree with you in my personal review. They were far, far advanced with respect to others. We can see it how they used to cut the stones very precisely like that. I don't know if you went. I went for the first time in the Serapeum of Saqqara. That's something very amazing. You see these huge.

How you say, not sarcophagus. They are, let's call them sarcophagus, but they are not sarcophagus very precisely, very heavy. And so the first thing I can say, how they built them, how they transported them down in that site, we don't know anything about.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's taking, you know, quartz from 500 miles away. You know, it's. We don't know that, how that works. We don't know how you get.

[Filippo Biondi]

Also today it's, it's a problem to transport those heavy masses, right? All, all this, all that distance from a part to another one.

[Host (Jesse)]

Even today it would be hard. And we're talking about, you know, 10, 20, 30 ton stones that it's, it's just in. And they do in some cases look like they were lathed or something. They were like, even modern, you know, techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate, you know, some of these things. So it's just, it's just really amazing. Like, do you have, for example, like the pyramids, do you have a good theory on how they were built?

[Filippo Biondi]

Very, very interesting question. Personally, my own theory, I don't have my own theory on to saying how they were built, those huge structures. Just to tell you, two weeks ago, I went for the first time in Egypt, so I appreciate in person the pyramids, I went inside the pyramids and I was very amazing for the first time.

How they built those huge structures, I don't know. Really, I don't know. And you know.

Before.

The study that we did, that we did, so I'm saying this for me.

Maybe people used to.

Ask in their self how they could.

Realize those huge structures.

The technology that they used.

To use for these pyramids. And if we consider also the structure that is underneath, what can we say about this?

[Host (Jesse)]

What do you think? What can we say?

[Filippo Biondi]

I don't know. Yeah, really, I don't know.

[Host (Jesse)]

Because Armando Mai, who you've collaborated with, has some interesting ideas as to maybe the function of these Pyramids?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes, Armando. We.

Speak about this every day with Armando, with Corrado, and we speak also with Christopher Dan. That has a lot of theories about energy planning or other kinds of purposes about the pyramids. In my personal opinion, now is time to stay altogether and work on a common purpose. We have to go and see in person what there is underneath.

[Host (Jesse)]

I think Christopher Dunn's ideas are fascinating. That it's some sort of solid state electron generator and it can sort of. It has wave guides for microwave transmission and, you know, maybe it was, you know, hydrogen generator or something. It's a. It's really interesting and I don't know what to make of it, but it seems very rigorous and smart in terms of, like the way he thinks about it.

[Filippo Biondi]

Do.

[Host (Jesse)]

Do you think that there's something possibly there because you have his work preceding the scans that you found.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Where he's hypothesizing all of this stuff and then you essentially find what looks like an energy grid. It looks like coils wrapping around these sort of charged, possibly charged rods or something. That's what it looks like.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes. I thanks a lot, Christopher Dan, because he endorsed our research. So I am very thankful to him because I knew him in person. He's really wonderful, wonderful person. And.

So I thank him. Yes, I. I agree with him because I think he was the first person that.

Gave this theory about energy, power plant or something related to information, let's say information.

[Host (Jesse)]

You have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory as to what the pyramid actually was.

[Christopher Dunn]

Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998, which was a power plant. The book is entitled the Giza Power Plant. I describe it as an electron harvester.

[Filippo Biondi]

And I agree with him.

What can I say, personally? Personally, I can say that this structure, the tubes that are going below the Earth, the pyramid.

Are.

Something related to information, information from the stars.

I can't say anything about this.

[Host (Jesse)]

Why do you think information.

[Filippo Biondi]

Information? Because also generating energy is a kind of information. Information is everything.

I tell you.

And in all this technical compound, there is, in my personal opinion, an actor that it is always present. You know what it is?

[Host (Jesse)]

What?

[Filippo Biondi]

Water. Water. Water is the principal actor that is related to all these structures.

[Host (Jesse)]

Why do you say that? What role does water play in the pyramid?

[Filippo Biondi]

Water, when flows, maybe let's say on the pipes, like that it generates a certain information in terms of a vibration that is very precise. Because water is an important stuff of life that is present on the Earth very. A lot. The Earth is Full of water. We are water. And so the pyramids and the water are connected together.

[Host (Jesse)]

And when you say generates information, I tell you.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah, you know, that we are made of water.

[Host (Jesse)]

80% or something.

[Filippo Biondi]

I think more, maybe more. It depends on how you are watching your percentage. I tell you.

In terms of mass of the moleculars, I agree with you, 80%. But in terms of moles, it means number of molecules. We are 98 or 99%. It means that 1% of number of moleculars.

Have the weight of the 20% that you said before. Okay. In terms of number of atom of molecules that is composed our body, we are 99% of water.

[Host (Jesse)]

H2O.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Wow.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes. So that's very important.

[Host (Jesse)]

That's extremely interesting. Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Wow. If you are seeing it in terms of mass, okay. That 1% of molecules has the mass of the 20% of all the entire water composing my, My, my body. So 80%, 20% in mass, 99% and 1% in terms of number of molecules.

[Host (Jesse)]

And that's because of this power law where there's. Yeah, how does that work exactly? So you have the mass has less number of molecules than the water. The water has more molecules.

[Filippo Biondi]

1% of number of molecules. It means that they have a great weight.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. So the proteins, the. I don't know, other things that are composing our body. Yeah, it is 1% in terms of molas.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Number of molecules.

[Host (Jesse)]

It's interesting because there are all these studies. There's a guy named Gerald Pollock, he.

[Filippo Biondi]

Talks about, I suggest to read the studies of Giuliano Preparata and Emilio Del Giudice, who are two former professors at University of Milan. Physics.

[Host (Jesse)]

What do they talk about?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes, they were the scientists that worked together to Fleischmann and Pons.

[Host (Jesse)]

Ah, yeah. So Fleischmann and Pons, for the audience who might not be aware, were proponents of cold fusion. So like low energy nuclear reactions. And they claimed all these over unity results. And then I think maybe they were sabotaged and you know, maybe some scientific suppression occurred, who knows? But so. Oh, so, so, so they had a connection with Fleischmann and Pons?

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely, yes. They studied under that because they said they unfortunately disappeared both because they were wonderful. Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparato.

[Host (Jesse)]

Does this have to do with deuterium at all? Heavy water?

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[Host (Jesse)]

You know, some of the low energy nuclear people even now doing experiments say deuterium atoms are really important.

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

So that's heavy water. And so I wonder if there's some connection between what you're saying, because when I asked you, you know, how should we look into water, you mentioned these two Italian scientists and then you mentioned the cold fusion things.

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely. It is very important. Cold fusion. Cold fusion is.

I'm not interested in cold fusion, but I'm very passionate. I have a passion in cold fusion.

When two.

Hydrogen atoms are connecting together and.

They transform in helium atom, releasing energy. Because a helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms, so by different mass they generate energy. In terms of electromagnetic waves.

This kind of.

Let'S say union can be done or forcing the atoms together or.

Persuading them to be naturally connected. That's called fusion is the second. You have to find a method to persuade, to convince the two atoms to go together naturally without forcing them. That's called fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. But I tell you that hot fusion, the various tokamak that they are.

Designing or other kind of.

Hot fusion given by pumping energy.

Designing very Lasers, powerful laser.

[Host (Jesse)]

Magnetic confinement. Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

I can tell you personally that is the energy of the future.

It means that we'll never find the present.

[Host (Jesse)]

What do you mean if that's.

[Filippo Biondi]

That don't work? That doesn't work. It's the energy.

[Host (Jesse)]

Hot fusion. No, I agree. I don't know. It'll always be of the future. I fully agree. Because.

It'S extremely hard to make it work. And basically for the audience, controlled fusion is the holy grail. We only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously very dystopian thing. And with Tokamak receptors, it feels like kind of like. Like a fool's errand or like almost self defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. And it is very high energy. And so there's the. All these lore, rumors of cold fusion. I'd say Pons and Fleischmann are probably the most credible of the rumors.

[Filippo Biondi]

I think so, yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah. And that would be this groundbreaking thing because if you had an over unity reaction with low energy input, it's like paradigm shifting for humanity. It's free energy. Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

And what do they find that Fleshpine and Pons and also Giuliano Verbarada and the Neo, the judiciary after it was, how can we persuade two hydrogen atoms to go together? Because there are the atomic forces that the most.

You confine those atoms and.

They will never go together.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah. You have Coulomb's force, which is repulsion, electron repulsion. So how do you persuade them? How do you do that?

[Filippo Biondi]

Like, where are two people that they do not. Not talk each other? No, no, I don't want to talk to you.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

So maybe a third person comes here and persuade you and me to talk together. And that third person was the atom of palladium. Palladium is a special, let's say material that it's able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become.

Magically an atom of helium. And the fusion reaction is done by palladium. Okay. And also electricity. So deuterium, palladium, electricity.

And electricity. And this recipe allows the cold fusion. There was problems about the quantity, the amount of energy that was very little. But if the research from the 80s to now were performed, maybe today we can have better results. With respect to the 80s, when the first experiment of Fleischmann Neptune was announced.

[Host (Jesse)]

Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine?

[Filippo Biondi]

Please give me another question. I don't know.

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[Host (Jesse)]

The more specific question would be when you were talking about water transferring information.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Where does that leave us as far as what it could be?

[Filippo Biondi]

It could be, but I say it.

[Host (Jesse)]

Was there any evidence that palladium was involved in. We don't know.

[Filippo Biondi]

As I tell you, you have to go down and see and explore what is in the. Really, that jizza? What's the jizza?

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Because.

Can'T be tombs.

[Host (Jesse)]

Well, I think that it's funny, like, it used to be conventional dogma that they were all tombs. Now you have. You had Graham Hancock for the last 30 years being like, it's not a tomb. Now people are like, okay, maybe it's not a tomb. And so it's slowly, slowly following, you know. Do you think that mapping to orion's belt around 10,500 BC, there's something somehow important with that? Because if you. If you basically. Yeah, they do map to Orion's Belt. Orion's Belt plays a very important role in a lot of different traditions. Even like Ptolemy, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's Belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show, I said, what do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs? And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them. Like, once maybe a pharaoh has died, they're buried there, and then it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with Orion's Belt, Orion's Belt has always, across many cultures, been the place of ascension of souls.

[Christopher Dunn]

Absolutely. It is here in North America and in Central America and in South America. The path of souls, that idea that on death, our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way. And that that journey is full of.

[Filippo Biondi]

Challenges and difficulties on which we will.

[Christopher Dunn]

Be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life.

[Filippo Biondi]

That idea is found all over the world.

[Host (Jesse)]

Do you. Have you considered any of these things?

[Filippo Biondi]

Or maybe that's what we don't know. Yeah, there is something. The Giza has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there. So maybe an energy power plant, something related to chemicals, something related to, I don't know, mining, Something related, but. Or a combination of everything. So there is something that is related to.

Make better live people there.

[Host (Jesse)]

And speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also below the copper pyramid?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes. Below the Kafir pyramid, there is water. Absolutely. Yes. Because we found water in the osiris shaft at minus 33, 37 meters approximately. I don't remember precisely there is water.

But I have to, in my personal opinion, I have to say this water cannot be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the Osilis shaft. We move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north, on the south, and there is not water. So it's not.

Mathematical, mathematical that we find water everywhere in Jizza. This is the first thing. Then I will explain you what the Kafre research project is moving on. Because it's related to the water. Yeah, because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Jizza.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, well, before we get to that, I want to give you one more.

The skeptics say you can't go that deep with Doppler tomography. We can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kilometer deep.

[Filippo Biondi]

It's possible or absolutely yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

And we have in other cases, because.

[Filippo Biondi]

Vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and.2 kilometers, I don't remember, 2.5 kilometers per second, something like that. Okay, well, sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the author is.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the, the, the, the image that went viral all over the Internet of the coils and the, this, like you said, 4x4, you know, 16 pillars energy grid.

[Filippo Biondi]

The other critique, 4 plus 4 not times.

[Host (Jesse)]

So 8 pillars. No, all good. So 8 pillars, you know, in this shape of an energy grid. You have. Sabina Hossenfelder is this physicist, she makes this video. She's very nice, she was nice and she think, pretty open minded in her video. But at the end she said, I think that the AI reconstruction of the image is taking liberties because basically for the audience you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the Internet, which is these image reconstructions. That's the, the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seeing. So, so it's beyond my expertise. Like do you think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured, the pillars with the coils?

[Filippo Biondi]

The shape is that the shape of the Doppler tomography was recasting a spiral form. So.

We can't say that are, I don't know, copper coils or they are. What we can't understand, we can't understand is this, we can't understand that maybe can be, I don't know, stairs that are going down or, I don't know, it's. They are cables that are going down. What we understand is they have it is something that has a spiral nature.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah.

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[Host (Jesse)]

Are you like a hundred percent sure it's man made? Not it's.

[Filippo Biondi]

We couldn't naturally 100 yes, it's man made.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

This.

I. I can because you don't.

[Host (Jesse)]

Find things in nature that coil perfect in perfect. You know it's man made. Okay. Okay. So that's easy to say definitively. You never see anything in any of your other sub surface scans that look anything like that?

[Filippo Biondi]

No, no, no. Absolutely not.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay. And then it's a question of what's the material and you know but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Something wrapping around it for sure.

[Filippo Biondi]

It is hard to say which kind of material it is or for now maybe if we have.

Hundreds of tomographies with the ground truth we can also understand the acoustic fingerprint and maybe we can move into material recognition. And that's what we are working now because we like to move this technique for mining. Today mining is very important. Also United States or other countries we need rare earth materials. We need gold. Today gold is very important. We see the gold price going up every day.

Why? Because in this moment the technology is.

Exploding. We need rare earth materials for our devices because there is AI because there is. I don't know Nvidia that has to build a lot of. Sorry by saying Nvidia or other companies.

The graphic cards that are very powerful. So we need rare earth material. So now we are moving further. Maybe in some years we will be able to know which Kind of material we are dealing, but now not. I'm not ready. So what we can say is, okay.

In that part of the tomogram, we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. Depicting the pixels, we can represent that the underneath has a spiral nature, but we can't understand the type of material and the.

[Host (Jesse)]

The AI reconstruction for the image. Are you using generic software or your own software?

[Filippo Biondi]

No, my own software, not AI.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay. Oh, it's your own software and that. Your own software. You use that in other contexts when you use.

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely, yes. SAR Doppler tomography in the scientific community, it's called pseudo inversion of measurements.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

In order to retrieve a tomographic analysis. Yeah, it's called the pseudo inversion. But.

[Host (Jesse)]

But you. You do this a lot over the course of a year.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah.

[Host (Jesse)]

And you feel confident because you've. In the other cases, based on the software read, in certain cases you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases, they usually check. They usually check out. They confirm what you see in the software.

[Filippo Biondi]

You are speaking about validation?

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah. Have you been validated in other cases?

[Filippo Biondi]

We did a lot of validation experiments.

A lot of. Because as a scientist, I have to validate. How can I present my results like that? It's not possible. So you know that validating things that are underneath is very difficult.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah. To go down is difficult.

[Filippo Biondi]

It's difficult, yeah. But it's not impossible.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yeah. Have you done it ever?

[Filippo Biondi]

So the strategy that we have, that we have made is this.

We know that there. There is a structure where we know everything about it in a certain depth. Okay, let's move there. And we try to perform tomographic inversion there. So to see if our results are matching with reality.

[Host (Jesse)]

Have you done those experiments?

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay. Have you done a lot of them?

[Filippo Biondi]

Echo. That's another point. It's another point of view.

Three or four experiments.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

I tell you, it's very difficult to do validation. So we did measurements of the Gran Sasso d' Italia physics laboratory.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Located inside the mountain. It's 200 kilometers far from here. And we depicted the laboratory, probably.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

That's our measurements and the reality.

[Host (Jesse)]

How accurate?

[Filippo Biondi]

No. A hundred %. They.

[Host (Jesse)]

Match. 100%.

[Filippo Biondi]

Can.

[Host (Jesse)]

Can. Did you do it double blind? So you.

[Filippo Biondi]

Didn'T. Can you explain me double blind.

[Host (Jesse)]

Please? Yeah. So the way I would do the experiment in order to prove that SAR Doppler tomography is really effective is I would, if I were you. Find somebody else who's a good practitioner of sar. Doppler tomography. And who can. Who can get the scan somehow? I guess if you're using a satellite, you're using a satellite. So I don't know, you know, but like, somebody who isn't aware, like you, that you're doing a test and you say, okay, get the tomography scans and do.

[Filippo Biondi]

It.

[Host (Jesse)]

You. And then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your.

[Filippo Biondi]

Software.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. And then see if that matches because you already probably know what the laboratory looks.

[Filippo Biondi]

Like. I didn't do that. It. Yes, it is important. Yes. We have to do it. Yes. But we didn't do.

[Host (Jesse)]

It. But it's still. You've done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw. And then. Okay, so that's pretty. Yeah. Because, I mean, to me, artificial intelligence is just pattern matching. So the more data you have, the more you're like, okay, I've mapped this. And then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured.

[Filippo Biondi]

It.

[Host (Jesse)]

It. And it lines up. If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something.

[Filippo Biondi]

Here. So I just want to tell you.

[Host (Jesse)]

This.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. The rule of artificial intelligence in our technique, okay. There is no trouble because we didn't use artificial intelligence.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay. It's funny, people keep saying it.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. Let's forget artificial intelligence. I tell you how it.

[Host (Jesse)]

Works.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay? Yeah. It works like that. We have measurements.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. We have a model, and I tell you what's a model, and we can. If we have the measurements and we have the model, we can pseudo inverse the model and so to retrieve.

The.

[Host (Jesse)]

Result.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. The result R is.

[Host (Jesse)]

Tomography.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. Okay.

It works like that. Works. Measurements, model, results, not artificial.

[Host (Jesse)]

Intelligence. Did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites? Multiple satellites for the.

[Filippo Biondi]

Khafre.

[Host (Jesse)]

Absolutely. And they.

[Filippo Biondi]

Both. Four satellites. No. Or ISI Capella Space Umbra Space, Cosmos, Climate. Four.

[Host (Jesse)]

Satellite. All.

[Filippo Biondi]

Four.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. Wow. And all four gave you the same raw tomography.

[Filippo Biondi]

Data? I got the.

[Host (Jesse)]

Results. That's amazing. That's really.

[Filippo Biondi]

Amazing. It is the basic. The basic things. We cannot announce anything without these basics.

Scientific.

[Host (Jesse)]

Methods.

And you've done four or so instances of validation in other cases to show that the structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they.

[Filippo Biondi]

Do. Yes.

I don't know.

We have measured also the Osiris shaft, which is well known at the structure. The structure is well.

[Host (Jesse)]

Known. And the readings that you got in the Synthetic Aperture Radar Doppler tomography matched 100%. Wow. Okay, so that's pretty.

[Filippo Biondi]

Good. We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's.

[Host (Jesse)]

The. How deep down does that.

[Filippo Biondi]

Go?

37 meters, the last one. And then. But the Ausari shafts goes down. Yeah, it goes down.

[Host (Jesse)]

For. For a.

[Filippo Biondi]

While. I don't.

[Host (Jesse)]

Remember. Okay. It's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. Maybe I don't remember. I'm.

[Host (Jesse)]

Sorry. No, no, no, it's okay. So that's fascinating. I mean, that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So, Felipe, what are the next steps of the Khafre.

[Filippo Biondi]

Project?

The next steps we are moving to completing all the scanning.

We are completing. We are nearly finished. We have nearly finished all the scannings.

And now we are working on.

Dealing with Egyptian authorities in order to.

Request some authorization to go in situ and do some.

[Host (Jesse)]

Measurements. Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian.

[Filippo Biondi]

Authorities? Okay. You know.

In Italy we have this kind of saying like that that is mixed with Latin. Chiedere humanum est.

If I ask you something, if something is human, I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you, it's another kettle of fish. Okay, so we are working on.

Compiling a project proposal.

Maybe the CAFRE research project can be at the center. So me, Armando and Corrado and we can work together with the university.

Let'S say University of Ferrara.

No. And maybe other companies that physically can work on.

[Host (Jesse)]

Jiza. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able.

[Filippo Biondi]

To.

[Host (Jesse)]

To. And do you. Do you think. Because historically, and you saw it with Zahi Hawass going on Joe Rogan, you know, very recently I discovered, I.

[Christopher Dunn]

Discovered, I discovered, I.

[Filippo Biondi]

Discovered.

[Host (Jesse)]

Now.

You just have these people in charge who are close minded, they're corrupt. Their incentives are to basically force fit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predating that country, they're going to have an allergic reaction to.

[Filippo Biondi]

It.

[Host (Jesse)]

It. So how do you get around that? I. I'm dealing with that a little bit because I've done some stories in Peru and they, they have their own Ministry of Culture and they have gatekeepers as well. And it's extremely frustrating. And our mutual friend Jay has experienced that as well. So what? Yeah, I guess. How do you get around that? How do you get around the.

[Filippo Biondi]

Politics?

Good question.

I went.

Two weeks ago. As I told you before, I went in Egypt, I found a nice country, very nice people.

I don't know if all of them are open mind, but Maybe, Yes.

I found that they are very friendly and they love the pyramids. They love the pyramids. We.

In my personal opinion.

We are not against them, but we are together. We are all.

[Host (Jesse)]

Together.

It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride if they found out that the pyramids had had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of.

[Filippo Biondi]

Today. Today we don't know. But maybe in a couple of.

[Host (Jesse)]

Years. Yes, it would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation. And it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian.

[Filippo Biondi]

Gdp.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. In the world. It would be amazing. Like, I can't think of a better scenario for.

[Filippo Biondi]

Them. And I tell you, maybe these times we are ready to do it. Yeah, who.

[Host (Jesse)]

Knows? Yeah, who knows? I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. The water thing is so interesting. What do you think as far as you say water has information and what is that? I mean, obviously there's a water table below the Khafre pyramid, but why is that significant otherwise, as far as the pyramid structure.

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Yes, it's. Thank you for this question is important. Water table. Water table. While if the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and makes measurements, maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities. We are not.

Asking to go inside the pyramid. And I tell you, I tell you maybe we are asking to go on the Giza plateau.

Because on the Giza plateau there are.

I don't know, you remember when you went there some existing shafts that are located between.

The Kafre pyramid and.

The Sphinx? There are some shafts.

That has the entrance on the surface of the plateau. Okay. But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by the debris. So there is soil inside. And.

According to our scans, we are confident, very confident that those shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below Jiza. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids, because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated. It's something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe can be simpler, can be better to have authorization.

Staying on the plateau, not going inside the pyramids. And there we can do a lot of things. The first thing that we can do is to perform in situ.

Measurements. So in C2 measurements campaign using.

Seismic reflectivity methods. Okay, okay. Not Doppler tomography, other methods. So maybe to see if they match with my methods.

And in that context we will be able to map very precisely the water level.

Under the plateau.

That's the first thing that in my personal opinion we can do. Then we can measure perfect. And so match the in situ measurements with my measurements and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Jesu plateau. The third step can be to.

Clean those shafts. We can clean, because now they are blocked by debris. There is also. There are also.

Other things like rubbish inside those shafts. So they have to be clean cleaned. And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down, down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a service entrance, a secondary entrance that connects.

That facility to the main facility that is.

[Host (Jesse)]

Located. Do you think we can. Do you think we can turn the power grid back.

[Filippo Biondi]

On? But we do like.

[Host (Jesse)]

That.

Beam sheets out of the top of the pyramid.

That's so interesting. And I mean.

How does Dunn think that this is like a fusion generator? Does he think that. That we could produce over unity energy from.

[Filippo Biondi]

It? Chris has very clear idea and I agree with him that the plan the power the Giza Plateau is related to electricity.

Or something that is very near to electricity.

Such kind of.

Electron generator energy electrons. And maybe it can be hypothesized at this. As I told you, water is very important. Maybe the water goes through these spirals. And the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. And while the water is.

Flowing through the spirals are exciting this.

Piezoelectric material that generates electricity. Something like that to me. But it's only now this. You have to go there and.

[Host (Jesse)]

Check. Interesting. And does Dunn, is he interested in Ponz, Fleischmann and.

[Filippo Biondi]

The. We. We didn't talk about Ponz Fleischmann, about fusion reactors, about this, about that kind of stuff. But maybe the next time I will see him, I. I see him, I will ask him about.

[Host (Jesse)]

This. Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned who were kind of adherents to Pons and Fleischmann, do you think. Do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion.

[Filippo Biondi]

Or. Unfortunately, I don't.

[Host (Jesse)]

Know.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. Because now the vote. They disappeared.

[Host (Jesse)]

So. They.

[Filippo Biondi]

Disappeared?

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. What happened to.

[Filippo Biondi]

Them? Oh, no, they.

Are not with us.

[Host (Jesse)]

Anymore. Oh, they died. Okay. But you said disappear. I mean, not in a mysterious way. No. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. No, Emilio. Emilio del Giudice, I think in 2014, 2015.

Giuliano Preparata.

[Host (Jesse)]

Earlier. Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Okay. In the beginning of the 2000, I think something like that. But they are. They were very clever.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. Armando Mai, who you have worked with, and we just discussed for a little bit. He has very, like, esoteric ideas, it seems like. He talks about the number 237, and he talks about 137. Oh, what was it? 137. Sorry.

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[Host (Jesse)]

Coincidence? What do you make of his ideas? And maybe for the audience. Can you summarize.

[Filippo Biondi]

Them? Yes. Armando is a very, very nice person and scientist. Also.

He'S convinced that.

The number 137 is related to. Especially to Khafre pyramid. On the Khafre pyramid. Exactly. I don't know exactly his theories. And I have this. I have to read it, and I have to study his books. But I think that.

I encourage him to go with his ideas because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and.

He will do a lot of things with.

[Host (Jesse)]

Us. What do you think of Ben Van Kirkwyk? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth and underneath the, like, Hawara region and it talks about Herodotus and Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber, the stories of.

[Filippo Biondi]

This hall of records and these rooms.

[Host (Jesse)]

Beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like, I mean just, just not.

[Filippo Biondi]

Just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that.

[Host (Jesse)]

Whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting.

[Filippo Biondi]

There? In some portion of the Giza plateau, we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. So there are really something like a network of underground tunnels.

Because when you watch the tomography you see everything projected on a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are a lot of connections. The shafts that goes down are all interconnected and it's difficult for us to make a precise reconstruction of what there is them what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible one to each.

[Host (Jesse)]

Other.

Because he's claiming, I think the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more. Maybe a kilometer. Like it's extremely big or.

[Filippo Biondi]

Something. What there is underneath there is very huge. In fact, in this context.

Was I think Armando that me and Armando for, for Armando, I think said for the first time that's the tip of the iceberg. The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg is just a hat to complete something that is located.

[Host (Jesse)]

Underneath. Ah, it's like a little cherry on top of. Yeah, yeah. The substance is.

[Filippo Biondi]

Below.

The measurements are showing.

[Host (Jesse)]

That. So interesting. What else did you say? Mentioned finding these networks of tunnels and then obviously you have the coils under Khafre. Are there any other findings in this.

[Filippo Biondi]

Case? I'm sorry, I have to quote Chaita also Trevor Grassi. Trevor, because Trevor gave me for the first time the indication on the shafts of the shaft people. He told me, because he's asked that I may not. Filippo, please explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you. The shafts located between Khafre and the Sphinx. Because from there you can find the entrance to the underground.

Under Kafre.

Yes, because he is also making independent research.

A bit far away, but.

100 meters far away from these shafts. And he found.

A so called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath and then it connects.

The top to the bottom and the bottom is constituted by a network of.

Tunnels that are located underneath. Well, also he is studying this and he is 100% convinced because he wants to go inside personally.

In the underground.

Intercepting this network of.

[Host (Jesse)]

Tunnels. It's Amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of tunnels, like anything else? You have this sort.

[Filippo Biondi]

Of. Ah, yes, yes. And I. And I told you, I told these things.

On the conference in Spoleto also. And also in Malta. We had a conference there. The structures.

That we found in Khafre, we found the same thing also in Menkaure and also under the Sphinx. Whoa. Yes.

[Host (Jesse)]

Absolutely. We found the same.

[Filippo Biondi]

Thing. The same. Not four plus four, but in Menkaure, two plus two, a smaller version of these things. And under the Sphinx, only one cube going down. So they are all connected. So the Giza plateau is not constituted by the pyramids. That's Menicaure, that's Kafr. Then that's Cheops. No, it is something that has to be considered.

[Host (Jesse)]

Entirely. Yeah, it's a system. It's a network or something. So fascinating. What do you like? How has academia received these.

[Filippo Biondi]

Findings?

I have to be diplomatic to give an answer to this. Giving an answer to this. Academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned.

Thanks to academia.

It has to be something. We have to be very diplomatic with academia because academia works. You have a hypothesis, you make the measurements and you explain why you had these measurements. And then you do comparison with the reality and you explain the errors. So this is a scientific paper. No, you start from an issue, you perform the measurements, reality and the errors. Reality means state of the art. You have an innovation. The state of the art and the error. This is.

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That I agree because.

I am 100% thankful of academia because it is an institution and it is necessary to study through the academia, because academia give us a lot of tools, mathematical tools, the scientific tools and phys that are behind things that we do. Also my techniques comes from academia because I studied this interior virtual rather from academia. And that's very important.

When there is something new, we have to be careful to announce things. So it is new and has to pass time to.

How you say? To realize that the things that we are claiming can be valid or not by the academia. Which I agree. So in this moment, we are working on a scientific paper. The scientific paper is, let's say, under.

[Host (Jesse)]

Review.

Is it peer.

[Filippo Biondi]

Review? Peer review, yes. Only peer review. You.

[Host (Jesse)]

Cool. Do you have a timeline on when it might get.

[Filippo Biondi]

Accepted? I don't want to say something because it is a bit.

It is under.

[Host (Jesse)]

Review. Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. And let's see what.

[Host (Jesse)]

Happens. That's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Exciting. Let's see.

[Host (Jesse)]

What. Well, I hope, I hope, I hope it gets peer review. I mean, that would be very.

[Filippo Biondi]

Exciting. I don't know what happens. Maybe, maybe we'll be rejected. I don't know. But.

If we'll be rejected, we have to, to. We have to know.

[Host (Jesse)]

Why.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. If will be achieved or 100% will be some revision to.

[Host (Jesse)]

Do. I don't. If, if you're just saying these are the findings, I don't know how it can be rejected. If you're saying we use Doppler tomography and all these other cases that involve life or death or normal commercial business cases. So it's useful in the free market context where people have skin in the game on it being useful.

And then you're saying we've done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we've measured.

And then you're saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this thing and you got this raw data. And then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the raw data into an image. Why would that get rejected? That seems super to me. I'm not, I'm not a genius, but that seems very simple and basic and.

[Filippo Biondi]

Obvious. I agree with you. But.

Academia is very orthodox. So they.

[Host (Jesse)]

Have.

I think they're orthodox because of what everyone's saying about the implications of it. Because circulating the Internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid. And it's at the end. It's fun to speculate about and it could be true too, but just the findings themselves are the findings. So it's like, I don't see how you can reject.

[Filippo Biondi]

That. We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't.

[Host (Jesse)]

Know. Yeah, I just interviewed this Swedish astronomer named Beatrice Villarreal. She's amazing. And she had is similar because she's traditionally credentialed like yourself, you know, she's well respected. She's at Stockholm University and she's a physicist and astrophysicist and she went into the Palomar Observatory, which is the basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego in California from 1949 to 1957. So pre Sputnik, pre satellites being in space. She found.

[Filippo Biondi]

Sputnik.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. She found all these transients that look like these like mirrors or like light reflecting objects. They're not stars, they're not sun streaks, they're nothing.

[Filippo Biondi]

Else.

[Host (Jesse)]

House. And they're pre satellites and she.

[Filippo Biondi]

Found. Where are they located? These transients came from solar reflections at 42,164 km from the Earth or somewhere there around. Very.

[Host (Jesse)]

Interesting. Yeah, no, it is pre Sputnik. Pre Sputnik. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up because people said that the spots she found are plate defects. But then she.

Basically like did a study of the, these transients, these, these light reflecting objects and she looked in the Earth's shadow. So the Earth's shadow, you know, you have the sun pointing at the Earth. And she wanted to see if there was a drop off in the Earth's shadow and there was a drop off showing that they do reflect light. So they're probably physical objects. Yes, because they reflect.

[Filippo Biondi]

Light. I, I would like to read.

[Host (Jesse)]

About, I will send it to you. Yes, but it's another example of, and this was just accepted by peer review and I think, you know, my sense is that the people around her did everything they could to poke holes in.

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[Host (Jesse)]

Everything. And there's, it's weird, there's no one left poking holes. Sabina Hossenfelder did a video and she's like, I don't know what to say. This is interesting. Brian Keating, who's, you know, very, you know, well established physicist who normally plays the skeptical side, to be honest. Honest. He came out and he was like, I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration. So it's an amazing time where people like Beatrice and yourself can find these, these you know, bold, amazing things and, and actually try to get, get peer review. And I really hope you do get, get peer review to me again. I'm, you know, just thinking about it simply, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I don't understand why it would get.

[Filippo Biondi]

Rejected. In my personal opinion.

We will need a lot of time for review because I tell you, in 2022, I don't remember 2122, we initially published a work, peer review that is online now. But.

The initial work that we made on the chaops pyramid didn't have this such of media explosion.

On all the world. Now with the second paper, I know that the editor of the Journal where we.

Submitted the article.

Will be very. I don't know know, let's see what happens. I don't.

[Host (Jesse)]

Know. Yeah, well, I'm excited and I think if I were you I would treat, try to keep the claims as humble as possible and just give an honest readout of what you.

[Filippo Biondi]

Measured.

[Host (Jesse)]

Yes. Because I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff we're having fun speculating, but don't insert any of that stuff.

[Filippo Biondi]

In the period, only measurement, because model.

[Host (Jesse)]

And results, in my opinion, academia is myopic and narrow and not very bold. And so if you do that then they'll reject it, but just keep it super narrow. That's your way. That's the way in. Well, I'm so excited, man, I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the follow up work in the coffee project will wholesale overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality.

[Filippo Biondi]

Itself? Maybe, yes.

We need time for continuing the studies. That's important to say, time is important to stand the ideas that we have to consolidate ideas that we have. I tell you that the technique that we are using now is every day improving in terms also of, also in terms of precision. Precision and the performance.

So the answer is yes. My personal opinion, yes, we can. Maybe the final proof is to go there and watch and see what there is. We have to go.

[Host (Jesse)]

Inside.

Well, I hope you're given access to do that because I think it's really important for the world to just understand both our past from placing humanity in a specific context, but also technologically, who knows what it could.

[Filippo Biondi]

Unlock? Who knows, maybe 20, 26 will be a year where if we begin to perform in situ exploration, we will know really more in terms of information about the pyramids. With respect to now, if we will be able until the end of this year to submit to the Egyptian authorities a project proposal having.

A very focused, very focused ideas on it. So without going around so focused on.

Specific topics.

In my personal opinion, we will have an authorization. Why not?

Why.

[Host (Jesse)]

Not? Why not? Well, that's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Exciting. If we have an authorization, if we will have an authorization, maybe we can find.

Exciting things, who.

[Host (Jesse)]

Knows? My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization. So I think to me the bigger question is will you be given authorization? I think if you get authorization, I think you're Going to find something very interesting underneath there. Because if you can't explain the way you described it, just the hat or the little, you know, the tip of the spear. The tip of the.

[Filippo Biondi]

Iceberg. The tip of the.

[Host (Jesse)]

Iceberg. And that is literally a world wonder. Like we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. There are debates about how it's built. If we don't understand that, then. And you're telling me that that's the tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it. Oh my God. I mean, the, the contribution to humanity. And I, I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is. Well, you, you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film.

[Filippo Biondi]

It.

You, you will be. You and Jay.

Will be the first to.

[Host (Jesse)]

Feel. Oh, let's go. Maybe we can get Joe Rogan out too.

Well, it's, it's an honor and to speak with.

[Filippo Biondi]

You. Saying hello also to.

[Host (Jesse)]

Jay. Yeah, what's up, Jay? Project Unity. Go check that out. Subscribe. Yeah, no, I'm just so excited and it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are kind of waking up collectively to some of these ideas, becoming more open minded and yeah, thank you for being bold because I know you come from more of a traditional engineering background and to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually, before we go, before we were.

[Filippo Biondi]

Rolling. Yes. And I have to tell you.

[Host (Jesse)]

Also. Yeah, yeah, tell.

[Filippo Biondi]

Me. Yeah, what we.

[Host (Jesse)]

Did.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. It is absolutely inside the scientific compounds because we did.

[Host (Jesse)]

Measurements.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yes. That are scientifically approved. So we didn't do nothing.

[Host (Jesse)]

Exotic.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. Maybe we need to do a double blind check. Has to pass.

[Host (Jesse)]

Time. No, but to me it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something and just saying, you know, we found these isotope ratios and then people are like, well, what do you mean you found those isotope ratios? Well, it's like we use this machine in a million other contexts. They work. And then here it works and we found the thing. You're telling me that Doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts, effectively for a commercial. And you know, I'm sure it's used for defense. That's me speculating. So it's like, if that's the case. What, why not? Yeah, yeah. Why would this be any different? Like, it's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases. So it's miraculous. One other thing is we were, before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electrodynamics and scalar physics and some people have hypothesized that some of these ancient structures involved kind of acoustic resonance, but also.

Maybe, maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse Hertzian wave. Do you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all.

[Filippo Biondi]

Or. I never explored this, but.

It doesn't mean that maybe I will never do it. If you ask me, what is a scalar wave? I don't know. I don't know know. I, I, I can't give you an answer because I never studied this kind of topic.

So, But I am not saying that it doesn't, that it does not exist. Yeah, in my personal opinion, all people, academic, not, not, not academics, everyone, we are, we have to be open mind. We.

I tell you this, we go in the past, in the 15.

Maybe 1910, when.

An Italian scientist called Guglielmo Marconi.

Who invented the rays, we are now today with these nice things on the Internet, thanks to Guglielmo Marconi. And this is what I'm saying, it is exactly the example that we are living today, that we are today, we are saying this. Close your eyes, exhale, feel your.

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Guglielmo Marconi wanted to perform a huge experiment. So can I connect.

The Terranova island with Cornobalia? So a huge distance across the Atlantic? Yes, across the Atlantic. And can I transmit some information from one part to the other one without cables, only using electromagnetic waves? He was sure about the success, that he will succeed this experiment because he felt it inside the heart.

All the academia, I am saying nothing about the academia is not something against the academia. No, no, only to explain you the fact that is now history. All the academia was saying no, Marconi is doing something wrong because it will never.

Go, it will never be okay. This experiment will never work. Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of sight.

And so Maxwell said that the electromagnetic Waves are only transmitting in line of sight. It means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving.

And so why he is doing that? Because he wants to waste money. Money? Because it will never work.

I can tell you that. Who was saying this? Because it's history. It was maybe Poincare.

Professor Rigg.

Academia. And so the journalist from the academia used to go to Marconi and ask. Marconi. Marconi. But the academia said that your experiment will never work. Don't worry, don't worry. Follow me. Don't worry. How bad?

When the day arrived for doing the experiment.

They used to have the, how you say, the Morse signal. The Morse signal from the transmitting source.

Was transferred immediately to the receiving source.

It worked. Why? Because there was the so called third via. The third solution. So from one side the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work because the earth is a sphere. And.

[Host (Jesse)]

So. Yeah, it's like a laser pointer. It would be off.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. On the other side.

Marconi, that he didn't study. He didn't study. He wasn't scientist, this nothing. He thought in his mind wrongly that electromagnetic waves followed a curved.

[Host (Jesse)]

Path.

[Filippo Biondi]

Right. That's not.

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[Filippo Biondi]

Wrong. It's wrong. So the academia that studied was saying that the experiment will never succeed. And they were because they.

[Host (Jesse)]

Studied.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. And he, that he what a mess, scientific mess. Because nobody or the academia and Marconi knew about the third via. And what was the third via?

The presence of the ionosphere.

[Host (Jesse)]

Ionosphere? The conductive.

[Filippo Biondi]

Ionosphere. So the wavelength that was transmitting Marconi casually it was interacting with the ionosphere. And so the electromagnetic wave, according to the Maxwell theory, made like that and like that directly to the receiving. And so it.

[Host (Jesse)]

Worked.

That's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Amazing. And this.

Gave the Nobel Prize to.

[Host (Jesse)]

Gu.

That's an incredible story because he was right. But he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. He flunked and none of his professors took him seriously. And yeah, even this is the.

[Filippo Biondi]

World, so everyone has to be open.

[Host (Jesse)]

Minded. Of course. Well, electromagnetism in general came. Michael Faraday was early 19th century. He was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing thing. And he just kind of like had revelations about some of.

[Filippo Biondi]

This. Because of his heart.

[Host (Jesse)]

Inside? Absolutely. He was feeling that it was a part of him. Clearly. And Tesla had all of these speaking of scalar physics, he had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form, even with his update of alternating current over. Over direct current vis a vis Edison. Even beyond that, he was talking about, about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Wardenclyffe that were sponsored by JP Morgan. I think if he were to, if you were alive today, he would say, you know, his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnetism actually was. So the point is, just like Einstein is housed within, you can find.

[Filippo Biondi]

Newton. Oh, it's.

[Host (Jesse)]

Einstein. Yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. At the time when he developed the special relativity, he was saying that time is relative, time is changing. Now it is. And it was energetic thinking. Yes.

But was success. He was successful. So in this context, everyone has to. Of us has to think.

[Host (Jesse)]

Erect.

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely. It means heresia. It means in Italian, in Latin it means to be free. Free of.

[Host (Jesse)]

Mind. Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Absolutely. Because in libero libero, the error, heretic, the air, it's.

[Host (Jesse)]

Free. Well, the whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forward. And scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a buildup of anomalies and then the kind of dam breaks. So, and each theory, let's say I love the Marconi example because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton and his theory. There's going to be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like. Like, you know, that we know everything and it, and it occurs at every generation. Every generation we say we know everything and then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. That's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Right. Not.

[Host (Jesse)]

Everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's going to bring forward. The trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard, but. But, you know, I couldn't agree with you. It's funny, you know. You know, two days ago I interviewed Marconi's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Grandson. Ah, very.

[Host (Jesse)]

Nice. And it was really trippy. But he said that his grandfather was part of a secret cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials. And it was called RS33. In 1933, the Italian government set up this group, a secret dispute research 33 cabinet where Marconi was the chair.

[Filippo Biondi]

Was the president and Enrico Fermi was the vice.

[Host (Jesse)]

President. And they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon because 1933 they say that in Varese and north of Italy there were some apparitions of so called UFOs in Magenta, Italy. Or do you know where specifically Varese? It's north east Italy.

[Filippo Biondi]

Northeast. Yes. But it's north of Milan in.

[Host (Jesse)]

Lombardia, between Lombardy and Venetian land. And it was fascinating. He told me that personally like, and he's a prince. I was like, this is amazing. So it's funny you brought him up, but yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

It'S. So I will see that.

[Host (Jesse)]

Interview. Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up? Yeah, yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay. Yeah, but I'm just, you know, amazed by it. But yeah, I agree. I think that. Yeah, go for.

[Filippo Biondi]

It. I'm not saying that these experiments that we did on Jeets are esoteric experiments. Heretic. Oh, they are orthodox. But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why, why not? So it is inside the academic.

[Host (Jesse)]

Compound. Well, the point I think you're making is like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure. And then you come up with some lame, you know, a justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built. But you're force fitting your own priors onto the observation and you have people like Christopher Dunn who's done all this work on just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you, you're contributing with this very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid. And all of these things don't look like normal modern architecture. So the idea that it's just some ancient tomb is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity. It's not based on unbiased reading of what's.

[Filippo Biondi]

Happening. Yes.

I agree with.

[Host (Jesse)]

You. So I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on. I hope your team really figures this out. And it's, it's exciting, it's a really exciting time in.

[Filippo Biondi]

History. I think that 2026, we have to lose ant. Yeah, maybe in my personal opinion, humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down, down, down there. Because there.

[Host (Jesse)]

Is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you know Luis Walter Alvarez, who was really important for the American atomic program, he's depicted in the movie Oppenheimer and he was very high up in the Manhattan Project. You know, He X rayed the pyramids in the 50s. Yeah, yeah. So it's been a subject of long standing interest like even from like an official American government perspective for a long.

[Filippo Biondi]

Time. And how he X rayed, I don't know.

[Host (Jesse)]

Exactly. Yeah. But it's online, you can look.

[Filippo Biondi]

It. Yeah.

[Host (Jesse)]

Okay.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the.

[Host (Jesse)]

Pyramid. Yeah, I guess so. And I think did there was maybe a, like a muon.

[Filippo Biondi]

Detector. In fact we have to speak also about the Scum pyramid project because there is not only the, the Khafre project but there is also or much more time with respect to us. The Scampirium project Scampir Image project is using muons which are sub particles that are emitted from the universe.

They go to the pyramid and they intercept some, how you say detectors. So the moons impress the vectors and they carry the information about the voids existing between the top of the pyramids while they, they go through the pyramids like that. Yes. The Scanpyramid project is well known research group. They are using another physics. We are using acoustics, they are using sub particles and maybe.

Let'S see if we can reach them. So be in contact with them. Maybe we can or work together or share our results. No, because now we are in, in competition. But if we are in competition we are, we have to work.

[Host (Jesse)]

Together. No, the, the way you have to think about it is it's you guys against the world. It's not you against. You know, it's like think it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So you know the, in the muon detectors. That's specifically for mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that.

[Filippo Biondi]

Right? Yes, I tell you yes.

And I tell you why we should collaborate together. There is a difference between the methods that we use and they use because we scan from the space.

So from the space we can scan underneath. They use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors. It means that for us is not a request to go physically to locate the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the earth. In my personal opinion we work better with respect to them because we can detect things where nervous a human went underneath. Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere. And so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. Okay, I am hypothesizing this and I will share this information.

If we perform.

A join project. So a project together, maybe. And if we will be able one day to go inside the shaft and maybe interjecting a horizontal tunnel.

Constituting the network of tunnels that there is underneath. The scanpyramit project can locate Dale detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrieve what there is up up to there. I don't know if I am.

[Host (Jesse)]

Explaining. Yeah. You'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the muon detector there.

[Filippo Biondi]

There, and so they can scan.

[Host (Jesse)]

It. Makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Filippo Biondi]

Interesting. We have to work.

[Host (Jesse)]

Together.

[Filippo Biondi]

Yeah. We don't have to be separated, but work.

[Host (Jesse)]

Together. Yeah. Very cool. I love that idea. Well, on that note, Filippo Biondi, this is an absolute honor and a pleasure, and I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important. And honestly, I didn't, you know, I was very compelled by what was circulating online. But there are a couple of things that even I was. Didn't know or was holding out judgment on. And after this interview, you kind of convinced me on a lot of it. So I'm very. I'm very, very excited. And thank you for. For doing this. Appreciate.

[Filippo Biondi]

It. Thank.

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