“We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg

Summary

American Alchemy Podcast with Jesse Michels

Episode: “We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!”

Guest: Dennis Asberg (Swedish treasure hunter & co-founder of the Ocean X team)
Date: November 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, Jesse Michels interviews famed Swedish treasure hunter Dennis Asberg, co-discoverer of the infamous Baltic Sea Anomaly—a mysterious underwater formation that many believe may represent an Unidentified Submersible Object (USO). From underwater electromagnetic anomalies and government surveillance to near-supernatural accounts, Dennis details his team’s decade-plus investigation into one of the most enigmatic mysteries hidden beneath the Baltic Sea. The discussion ranges from technical accounts of the anomaly, personal UFO experiences, and the implications of government interest and global skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Discovery of the Baltic Sea Anomaly

• Initial Find ([11:27–14:45])
  • In June 2011, while searching for a shipwreck with champagne, Dennis, Peter Lindberg, and another colleague detected a massive 60-meter wide circular object using side-scan sonar.
  • “This huge thing...60 meter in diameter and it's round and you have this track at the bottom...Nobody else have seen anything like that before.” —Dennis, [13:23]
  • Immediate speculation: UFO or manmade structure, based on size and geometry, with flat walls and 90-degree corridors.
• Public Exposure ([14:57–17:43])
  • Data was shared with experts in the US, Australia, and Europe—all stumped.
  • Went public to attract experts, resulting in international media attention and relentless press inquiries.

2. The Anomaly’s Physical Characteristics

• Shape and Structure ([19:10–23:32])
  • The anomaly features corridors and walls with perfect right angles; holes framed at the edges, and areas of pitch-black coloration under sediments.
  • “...You have corridors with angles and you have also holes in it. A hole with like 2 meters in diameter with a frame around it.” —Dennis, [19:10]
  • Consensus among the team and outside experts: “...it looks constructed; we have never seen anything like that,” —Dennis, [19:37]
• Not Attached to Seabed ([41:18–41:29]; [52:41–53:02])
  • Sub-bottom profiling and sonar suggest the object is separated from the seafloor.
  • “It looks like it's separated from the bottom. That's what I can say.” —Dennis, [41:22]

3. Anomalous Phenomena & Equipment Malfunctions

• Technical Failures ([20:03–23:32])
  • GPS, radar, cameras, ROVs, and lights frequently malfunction near the anomaly.
  • Magnetic and electromagnetic disturbances intensify with proximity.
  • “...Every time we are there, even now in June... same problem. Equipment malfunction, everything.” —Dennis, [21:39]
• Electromagnetic “Power Line” Effects ([28:59–30:30])
  • Finnish ROV operators likened the anomaly’s energy signature to that of a power line.
  • “It looks like a power line. It’s putting out energy of some kind.” —Dennis, [28:59]
• Other Physical Oddities ([24:25–25:06]; [30:07–30:31])
  • Temperature drops near the object—at depth, water nearly freezing.
  • White, milky material “breathing” through a hole in the structure.
  • Frequent thunderstorms and lightning strikes directly over the anomaly.
    • “Thunder and lots of things just on the spot.” —Dennis, [30:13]; “We have filmed that also.” —Dennis, [30:32]

4. Biological & Geological Samples

• Failed Sample Extraction ([23:46–24:25])
  • Material too hard to obtain proper core samples; diver attempts unsuccessful.
• Composition ([59:59–60:43]; [82:58–83:44])
  • Some material found to be basalt (volcanic origin), which does not naturally occur in the Baltic.
  • Organic and burnt biological substances detected on scraped samples.
    • “It was organic. Boned. Metro.” —Dennis, [82:58]
    • “Nothing. It's Dead Sea, so...But this had biological material.” —Dennis, [83:41]

5. Government & Military Involvement

• Military Surveillance ([44:12–46:59])
  • Multiple government ships from Sweden and NATO countries observed “lurking” during Ocean X dives.
  • “Six, seven ships. Wow. Big ships.” —Dennis, [45:36]; “Swedish authorities, French and German, American, British ships around us.” —Dennis, [44:31]
  • Military personnel denied knowledge but admitted to filming the team.
    • “But I'm filming you. I have filmed you, so I know you have been there. Nothing. You don't say anything.” —Dennis relaying a HQ official, [48:00]

6. Theories and Skepticism

• Dennis’s Theories ([56:09–57:17])
  • Could be an extremely ancient artificial structure, possible USO, or even a pre-Ice Age temple.
• Ruling Out Alternatives ([56:09–56:20])
  • Dismissed volcanic, meteorite, or asteroid origins due to structure and lack of a crater.
  • “It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure.” —Jesse, [56:17]
• Remote Viewing Results ([33:23–34:40])
  • Remote viewers described it as a constructed, high-voltage energy source.

7. Personal History and Encounters

• Dennis’s UFO Sighting (1996) ([62:59–70:16])
  • Before the anomaly, Dennis had little UFO interest. A “life-changing” close encounter near a military installation spurred his curiosity.
  • “It was something very, very strange.” —Dennis, [67:15]
  • Led him to reevaluate life’s meaning and pursue mysteries beyond conventional science.
• Philosophy and Motivation ([73:25–74:45])
  • The search for truth and evidence supersedes the need for fame or money.
  • “I have always been interested in finding things that nobody else have found.” —Dennis, [74:45]

8. Threats and Obstacles

• Pushback and Threats ([85:20–86:18])
  • Dennis received threats against his safety and family, efforts to intimidate him into stopping his research.
  • “They said that we know about your son there and daughter there... to make me to stop.” —Dennis, [85:44]
  • Some accused him of “opening a gateway to hell.” —Dennis, [86:18]

9. Next Steps and Future Plans

• Further Scientific Analysis ([41:50–42:28]; [84:04–84:28])
  • Planning core drilling for material samples, Geiger counter readings, and more advanced equipment use.
  • Hope to involve a video crew for transparency and safety.
• Ultimate Goal ([61:32–61:34]; [98:51–99:04])
  • “The truth. That's the only thing.” —Dennis, [61:32]
  • Dennis wants any discovery, even if mundane, openly shared with the world.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Confirmation of anomaly’s odd structure and effects:

  • “The radar showing things that should not be are not there.” —Dennis, [20:41]
  • “So it interferes with radio signals, changes compasses, messes with the subsea drone and rover.” —Jesse, [23:19]

• Skeptic’s perspective flipped:

  • “The first thing when he coming down there is, okay, this is...This must be man made. This is constructed.” —Finnish ROV operator via Dennis, [26:54]

• On personal impact:

  • “That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. And I've done maybe 6,000 dives in my life.” —Dennis recounting diver’s words, [59:15]

• On government surveillance:

  • “We have filmed that also.” —Dennis re: lightning over anomaly, [30:32]
  • “But I'm filming you. I have filmed you, so I know you have been there. Nothing. You don't say anything.” —Swedish HQ official, [48:00]

• On meaning and search for truth:

  • “I want to do it...continue to find the answer without the military or the governments.” —Dennis, [98:44]
  • “For humanity, for the world, for the future, for my kids, grandkids and so on.” —Dennis, [98:55]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:57–02:13] – Introduction to the Baltic Sea anomaly
• [11:27–17:43] – Discovery and sharing with the world
• [19:10–23:32] – Descriptions of the anomaly’s geometry
• [23:46–25:06] – Details on biological/material anomalies
• [26:00–28:59] – Skeptical Finnish colleagues turned believers
• [28:59–30:30] – Power emission and weather phenomena
• [41:13–42:28] – Sample plans and discussion of equipment
• [44:12–46:59] – Navy, coast guard, and NATO ship presence
• [52:41–53:02] – Seabed separation via sonar profiling
• [62:59–70:16] – Dennis’s formative UFO encounter
• [79:13–83:44] – Transmedium UAPs and biological sample results
• [85:20–86:18] – Threats and personal repercussions
• [98:44–99:04] – Dennis’s mission for openness and truth

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Tone and Style

Throughout the conversation, both Jesse and Dennis are candid, serious, and deeply curious—driven by a desire for genuine answers rather than sensationalism. Dennis comes across as humble, methodical, and resilient in the face of skepticism and even threats. Both express an openness to mystery and the transformative potential of anomalous encounters.

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Final Thoughts

Dennis Asberg’s journey with the Baltic Sea anomaly is a nuanced blend of thrill-seeking adventure, hard science, existential questioning, and perseverance against both human and technical obstacles. The episode not only documents a mystery beneath the Baltic Sea, but captures the emotional, philosophical, and societal currents that surround high-strangeness phenomena in our modern world.

Transcript

[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

There we see a wreck. And there we see something in there. And then this thing popping up on the screen.

[Jesse]

My next guest is a world famous treasure hunter. You heard that, right? His name is Dennis Asperg. And this Swedish sensation is a real life superhero out of a different era.

[Dennis Asperg]

I'm a curious guy. I've always been interested in finding things that nobody else have found.

[Jesse]

But on June. June 19, 2011, his life's mission would change forever from unearthing human treasure to unraveling the nature of reality itself. That's when he came upon what you might call an underwater ufo or what's now known as a uso, an unidentified submersible object in the very remote Baltic Sea.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's something that makes our instruments go wild sometimes.

[Jesse]

It's on the ocean floor right now. So me, my crew, and Amar Kandeel from yes. Theory, went to go see it sitting 90 meters below the surface, 60 meters wide. This is one of the weirdest objects ever detected by humans in the ocean. Period.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yes. Round. And then we have these corridors. You have angles, 90 degrees. Angles.

[Jesse]

When you say corridors, like.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, you have a corridor and you have walls. Flat walls. Wow.

[Jesse]

Dennis has now confirmed that it is not attached to the seabed floor. So it's not a natural geological formation.

[Dennis Asperg]

I have never seen anything like that before. Not have my colleagues either.

[Jesse]

Electromagnetic anomalies are rampant around it. It breaks down gps, subsea rovers, drones.

[Dennis Asperg]

And then when we have used the rov, the ROV stops working.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yep.

[Jesse]

You lost gps Very close to the object. Oh, my God. We have video of smoke coming out of the water above the object as fuming or emitting gas.

[Dennis Asperg]

And then you see like it's from this hole. This milk is going. And what?

[Jesse]

Like it was moving.

[Dennis Asperg]

Something is moving? Yes.

[Jesse]

Breathing. Breathing. Yeah. Almost like A biological organism or something. But it doesn't stop there. It was literally struck by lightning, an occurrence often considered a high water mark for its unlikeliness. We also have video of NATO ships encircling this object and tracking Dennis Ocean X crew in the middle of the Baltic Sea.

[Dennis Asperg]

We had a meeting at the headquarter in Stockholm. I said to one of the people there, have you been there? Have you dive on it? And he just looked at me, no, no, no, no, we have not been there. But I'm filming you. I have filmed you, so I know you have been there. Nothing. You don't say anything. Whoa.

[Jesse]

You'll get to see the full extent of what we found at the end of this video. Whether this is an ancient sacred temple, a crashed unidentified flying object, or an unidentified submersible object, whatever this thing is, it's definitively weird. And like the object under the mesa at Skinwalker Ranch, it seems to have a life of its own. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare to take a deep dive into the abyss with this week's amazing Swedish alchemist, Dennis Aspergical.

[Dennis Asperg]

Different parts of the brain have different.

[Jesse]

Activities, but you know that, don't you?

[Dennis Asperg]

Maybe you should interview me.

[Jesse]

So we're 60 kilometers out at sea, kind of the epicenter between Finland and Sweden. We're right above the spot, right above the Baltic Sea anomaly. And it just feels like we're in the middle of the ocean. To be honest, it doesn't feel any different than anywhere else. One of our videographers, Philip, unfortunately threw up. I think I'm the only person who hasn't taken the seasickness medication, which is probably pretty stupid. Now we're sending the ROV down the remote operated vehicle and we can see what it sees, although visibility will be low, so you can only see maybe max, maybe a foot in front of it. And then we're also going to be doing some sonar scanning and try to get a better understanding of the 3D structure that we're looking at with the Baltic Sea anomalies. And how deep is the object?

[Dennis Asperg]

90 meters.

[Jesse]

90 meters.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

It's a very unconventional career that you have. When did you start to get into treasure hunting and exploring all of these unknown things in the ocean?

[Dennis Asperg]

Exploring and have been interesting history and all that thing have been since I was a kid, something I grew up with with my parents because they were also interested in that area to find out things and search for things that nobody else have found. So it's a natural thing. I have, you know, growing up in a family that works. Not works, but have an interest in that field.

[Jesse]

So was your father an explorer?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, he was a diver. But you have a other job also. But he was a diver also. Okay, yeah.

[Jesse]

And did you grow up, you know, reading about explorers?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, that was the. Yeah, yeah, of course. Reading history books. Of course. And fictions also. And go into these things with the treasures and shipwrecks that have this disappeared with interesting cargo. So that have been interesting for me and you know, have always been the interest for me.

[Jesse]

What was the first shipwreck you went looking for?

[Dennis Asperg]

When I really go into commercial diving and in that area was for. I mean it must be 15, 20, 20 years ago. And was together with Peter Lynn Barry, my friend. And we did exploration in Baltic Sea and we found wrecks with liquor, cognac and wine and different type of things. Booze, chips. That's the money.

[Jesse]

The booze are still valuable?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Jesse]

And you're still drinkable and.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, some bottles are still drinkable. We found also one of the oldest wine in the world from 1600.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Drinkable.

[Jesse]

Oh my God.

[Dennis Asperg]

And cognac on its way to this Russian Tsar. Drinkable. And we have tried it also, Peter and I. And was very strong.

[Jesse]

Unbelievable.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

What's some of the more interesting shipwrecks that you found or maybe one in particular that you remember that has a story attached.

[Dennis Asperg]

Except the Baltic Sea anomaly.

[Jesse]

Except the Baltic Sea anomaly. We're building up to that.

[Dennis Asperg]

Oh, it's many but I must say. But one very interesting wreck we found was 2015. We found the Russian SARS submarine. Som.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Building US 1904.

[Jesse]

Oh my God.

[Dennis Asperg]

And the Russian Tsar bought it and used it in the war against Japan. And it was out on a. And on a mission in the Swedish water. Should not be in the Swedish water, but it was and was a collision between a Swedish cargo ship and this submarine. So the periscope went off and 18 man down to the bottom.

[Jesse]

How do you. What sensors do you use to locate an object?

[Dennis Asperg]

It's very easy. It's a side scan sonar. It's. It's a sonar that looks down to the 2D image you get.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

Of it. So. And then we use ROV and of course we have dive on it also.

[Jesse]

What's rov?

[Dennis Asperg]

Remote operating robot.

[Jesse]

You know, underwater little subsea.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

So that we have used and after that we did dives on it. So to really identify it and see if it was that submarine we have.

[Jesse]

Before it was so interesting. And so when you find these shipwrecks, you know, with cognac and wine and that sort of thing, is this your business? Do you then go out and sell that on the market?

[Dennis Asperg]

I wish.

[Jesse]

Or do you have finances?

[Dennis Asperg]

As you know, we have the situation here as we have in other countries in the whole world with the Pandemi and the virus and also the war and lots of things are going on. So it had not been easy. So we tried to sell this wine and cognac and things on the market and the interest was zero. Nobody was interested.

[Jesse]

No way.

[Dennis Asperg]

No.

[Jesse]

That's why you said you drank it.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. At home now instead. No, no, no. So it had been very difficult because we have spent lots of time and money on this project because we believe this is can, this is can finance our other projects. But the interest have been weak, very weak when it comes to that.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So do you ever. Are you ever able to sell or make a business out of, you know, some of the stuff you find or is it mostly just for passion or for. No, no.

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean in that case when it's talking about the bottles of champagne and cognac and wine and things like that. Of course we have it and hopefully we're going to sell it in future. But I don't, I, you know, I won't have lots of money for it.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

So. But that is something I don't think about so much now.

[Jesse]

Should invite myself over for a drink.

[Dennis Asperg]

You can get the drink.

[Jesse]

Tell us about the Baltic Sea anomaly.

[Dennis Asperg]

The Baltic Sea anomaly? Yeah.

[Jesse]

What is it? Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Good question. The Baltic Sea anomaly. Okay. The begins like this. We were out on a mission this time to find a wreck special wreck with champagne on it. We were out for almost a week and then we have problems for the boat is begin to leak and we almost sunk with the boat so it was very scary. But we, we managed to come to harbor in Finland to repair the boat and we have been out for one week then. And then we decide to go out to a new area and search there with the side scan sonar and see if we find this special wr. You're tuned into Auto Intelligence live from.

[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

3,000 square meters?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So huge.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, it's huge. Wow. Yeah.

[Jesse]

And nobody had ever seen anything like it. And it was, it was round. It was like circular.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yes, round. And then we have this corridors, you have angles, 90 degrees angles and so on. So.

[Jesse]

So it looked like a artificial structure.

[Dennis Asperg]

Basically it looks like that we went home. Then after we had done this with the side scan sonar and we go deeper into look at this data we have on it. And Peter and I were sitting in front of computer measuring, you know that. Okay, what is possible? Can it be that or construction from the military time or from the world war and so on. Cannot be any things like that. And then we talked to France in the same area as we are in US, Australia and Europe and show them the pictures and they said no, we have never seen anything like that. What have you found where did you find this? And no, no, no, no, we don't say anything about that. So then after one week or something we don't get any help or we decide on to go out public with it because I want to have somebody can say what it is because we have experience of course when it comes to exploring and shipwrecks and we have never seen anything but perhaps somebody have seen something like that. So I talked to a journalist here in Stockholm. Express is a big newspaper and I went there with my laptop and showed them the data and they, you know, they were, they were very surprised about that. And then I, I explained for them the purpose we were out there was we were searching for that and that wreck and then we found this instead. So they were, oh wow. And then, then they're sending up me to the office and I talked to the manager or chief there and then I understand that they are interesting to public go out with this information and I said okay, do it. Hopefully we find somebody that can help us with this because we don't know. We don't know and we have friends that don't even know about it. So that was the start of something crazy. Yeah, it was. Because I was never in the spotlight before. And in one, I mean the first week was in the Swedish news and then Scandinavian news and then after that week after it was international news and my phone is ringing all the time, day and night, day and night. And I turn, turn it off sometimes because I was so tired. So I talk about the same thing like over and over and over with all the journalists and I say the same thing. I find something, I don't know what it is, I don't know, but it's odd, it's strange, it's unique. We have never seen anything like that.

[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

No, it's, it's plenty of them. It's a, it's a big object. And then you have corridors with angles and you have also holes in it. A hole with like 2 meters in diameter with a frame around it. And, and also when you say corridors, like, like, yeah, you have a corridor and you have walls. Flat walls.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Totally flat.

[Jesse]

It's like almost.

[Dennis Asperg]

Then you have 90 degrees angles. Like that.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

So I don't think, I'm not sure. That's what we try to figure out now. Can the nature create this? I don't know. Yeah, but it's so odd.

[Jesse]

It doesn't look like coral or any sort of rock that you would see on the seafloor. And you must be familiar as somebody who has probably traversed a lot of the world and looked at the ocean floor for a lot of your life.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And I'm sure a lot of the people working with you at the time as well.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, yeah. So it's. No, it's very, very strange. And not only that, it looks odd and strange. We have been out there a couple of times and every time we have been out there we have problems with our equipment.

[Jesse]

What just happened to the boat?

[Dennis Asperg]

He lost it.

[Jesse]

Gps.

[Dennis Asperg]

You were close to the object.

[Jesse]

Oh my God. Like what happened?

[Dennis Asperg]

The radar showing things that should not be are not there. So one time we are there and the radar is working properly, but then something popping up on the radar. And I remember Peter said to me that Dennis, look at the screen and I look. What? Okay. And then I go out and we are alone here, but should be something 150 meters from us, nothing there. And then another position. Not the position.

[Jesse]

How big are the objects showing up on the radar?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, you cannot see how big it is on the radar, but you see something, some object. Yeah. And then when we have Used the rov. The ROV stops working.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yep. And when we have dive on it, the camera stops working, the light stops working.

[Jesse]

So there must be some sort of electromagnetic probably.

[Dennis Asperg]

And the GPS function is not working properly either.

[Jesse]

Really? So there's maybe magnetic anomalies as well.

[Dennis Asperg]

Where? Yeah, that's what I think. Every time we are there, even now in June when we were out, we have the same problem.

[Jesse]

Equipment malfunction, everything.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yes.

[Jesse]

And you got to go down in a Faraday cage or something.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. So that was very strange also that we had these problems and we were out again now this June and with another ship, Stockholm University's own ship with their own equipment, not mine. Equipment.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's perfect. And there's much better equipment that I have.

[Jesse]

Sure.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's old things.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

But so we were out and I remember I talked to the crew and also Thomas, the captain on board and mentioned for him all the experience we have out there with all the equipment stopped working and all the stuff, you know, GPS and so on. And then we were quite close and Thomas said to me, okay, let's start then. We begin with a multi beam, so we get the 3D image of the object. Perfect weather, good conditions for everything. And then we go over the object. And Thomas said to me, dennis, we have problems with the GPS function. And I look at him. Are you joking with me? No, Dennis, we have problems with it, with the gps. Do you used to have problems with it? Nope.

[Jesse]

What happened with the gps?

[Dennis Asperg]

It's not working. Lost connection. Totally.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yep. And then we go over it and go back and the same thing again. Wow. Yeah.

[Jesse]

So interferes with radio signals, changes compasses, messes with the subsea drone and rover. So there's some sort of electromagnetic thing going on down there. And you said you'd know what the color is now. What's the color?

[Dennis Asperg]

No. Steafon was one of the divers down there 2012, and he brush off the sediment of it and it's dark black, dark gray, almost black.

[Jesse]

Interesting. So he touched it?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, of course.

[Jesse]

And when he touched it and he.

[Dennis Asperg]

Tried to take samples also, did not manage that either. Too hard.

[Jesse]

Too hard, yeah. Interesting. And when he touched it, did he feel anything or notice anything that.

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know. He did not mention anything about that, but he said it's very odd and he had never seen anything like that before. And then one thing I remember when he's coming up, he said to me that the temperature usually at that depth is around 4 to 5 degrees Celsius. Now it's almost zero. That, you know, is not possible.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

So almost zero degrees, almost freezing. So it's alarming in his equipment.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he must have been very cold.

[Dennis Asperg]

Also. Super temperature. And then he go to a hole like 20 centimeters in diameter. And when you're down there, you have the sediment and you get like milky. The waters get milky, as you understand.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dusty.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, dusty. And then you see like it's from this hole, this milk is going and out and in, in and out.

[Jesse]

Like it was.

[Dennis Asperg]

Something is moving. Yes.

[Jesse]

Breathing.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Almost like a biological organism or something. Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

Wow.

[Jesse]

But it was hard.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Too hard to get a sample from.

[Dennis Asperg]

Perhaps if it drilled a core, drilling or something.

[Jesse]

But there's. There's a hole where sand is coming in and out.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

That's so fascinating. If all these anomalies that you, you've experienced.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Do they increase when you get closer to the object? So I guess the way you would instantiate that it would be like if you had the ROV or if you had maybe a compass and you were getting closer. Does it get more intense the closer you get? The anomalies get more intense the closer that.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, we have problems with equipment the closer we get.

[Jesse]

And it's. And it's a clear rate of acceleration or increase of the.

[Dennis Asperg]

Wow.

[Jesse]

So it really feels like it's a source of.

[Dennis Asperg]

I forgot something. It's important. 2019, we were out and I know we were out in Finland. I did diving work there and we had some friends there that we have done expeditions with before. And I remember their laugh, you know, Finnish guys, you know, Dennis, you're joking and you know, you don't believe in that. And it's a stone you have found. They said to me, yeah, of course, perhaps it's a stone, but still it's unique. You have not seen anything like. No, no, that's right, Dennis. So next, next time we're going out, can you come along then with your equipment? Okay, okay. He said. And then after a couple of months, I said to them that we're gonna go out now on a mission. You want to come along with your equipment, your ROV and everything. So they come to Sweden and go out with the ship and Peter and I just, you know, checking what they're doing, their equipment and coming to the spot, and they go down with the rov and he's sitting there and the first thing when he coming down there is, okay, this is. This is strange. This must be man made. This is constructed and I asked, what. What did I hear? And I look at Peter and he said, yeah, so.

[Jesse]

So even the skeptics, when you bring them to see it firsthand, they understand.

[Dennis Asperg]

Directly was something for sure that we have found there. So that is odd. And. Yeah.

[Jesse]

And you must be familiar, given that you have an interest in UFOs with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases, even close encounters of the third kind. You see the main character with this, you know, big sort of almost like sunburn, because they're basically experienced this sort of like. Basically a redshift of, you know, electromagnetic light. And, you know, Travis Walton is another good example where he's in Arizona with his friends, he gets out of the truck, he touches the ufo, and he gets almost kind of zapped because of the electromagnetic activity. There's geomagnetic anomalies where a lot of UFOs show up. So places like Skinwalker Ranch or Mount Sengan Mori in Japan, next to the Fukushima Prefecture, their nuclear civilian grid, you always have these geomagnetic anomalies. Hesselden, you have, you know, magnetic anomalies as well. So that. That is a common theme in UFOs.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, I remember what he said also when we. He was down with the rov, this finished guide, and he said, it looks like a power line. It's something very. Something like a power line. We don't have any power lines there. Nothing at that looked like a power line. No, but, you know, with the instrument they're using on the ROV was something that is putting out energy of some kind. Wow. It is. It looks very strange. It might. It might be a cloud of methane that. It's a methane seep from the bottom. I don't know how close we can go, but we have seen this growing now for a. It's lots of things and. And even weather phenomenals, like thunder. Thunder and lots of things just on the spot.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

That's fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

I forgot lots of things when I'm talking to you, but lots of things have happened out there.

[Jesse]

Thunder on the spot.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And like nowhere else.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jesse]

And it like.

[Dennis Asperg]

Like.

[Jesse]

Does the lightning hit the water? Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So it's like a conductor or something.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's true. It's true.

[Jesse]

Oh, my God.

[Dennis Asperg]

We have filmed that also.

[Jesse]

You filmed that?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Oh, this is amazing. This is the most exciting thing ever.

[Dennis Asperg]

So now all the things together that, you know, you cannot let it go. No, you must. That's why I have fight for this for so long. Time.

[Jesse]

I mean, if you just list the anomalies, you have biological material in a dead sea.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

You have right, you know, right angle corners. You have an object that's 180 meters. So it's very big. You have. It's hard, you see, that's detached from the sea floor. You have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing. Then you have thunder conducting, hitting it. I think that's extremely. And then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

All having tons of data points and they've never seen anything like that. So I think that's very worthy of investigation.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And so some people might be wondering because it's. You described it as a round object, but it also had right angles, you know, and right angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly?

[Dennis Asperg]

It's not a flat, you know, disk, as many perhaps thinks it's a quite rough surface around it.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

And then you have this corridors and angles. So and. And it's not round in the corners. It's rough. It's. Perhaps it's broken.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

I have been there for a while.

[Jesse]

So the circumference is 180 meters.

[Dennis Asperg]

But if you look at from upside, it's round, but still it's.

[Jesse]

There's some jagged right angles and stuff. And right angles in a way where it's not just a little sliver or whatever. It's like longer right angles that apply artificial construction.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yes.

[Jesse]

Fascinating man.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, it is for sure.

[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

Have you seen all the remute remote viewers have done all the things about Baltic Sea remote view Remote. Yeah.

[Jesse]

When we were in Sweden, I called Joseph McMonagle and Angela Ford and they helped us with this. So we should do it. I don't have reception. Right. Or do you?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, we don't have any connection.

[Jesse]

I was gonna say I could. I could easily call them. Well, what did they say? What did the remote viewers say?

[Dennis Asperg]

Oh, that is constructive. And it's. Some have said it made them go. Really? Yeah, it's a. Some kind of LED source.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Energy source for what?

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know.

[Jesse]

So which remote viewers say this?

[Dennis Asperg]

There are lots of it. I have. I can send you the link. Oh yeah, please.

[Jesse]

I'm gonna write.

[Dennis Asperg]

But the cool thing is also when the. The Finnish guy, our colleague from Finland was here, he mentioned. Okay, this is man made. This must be constructed. And I. And it looks like it's a high voltage thing and I just. High voltage. So that's like a. Something that put out high voltage, like a power.

[Jesse]

Who said that?

[Dennis Asperg]

The Finnish guy. Wow. And I have it on tape also.

[Jesse]

That's amazing.

[Dennis Asperg]

I have it on tape. We have feel melting.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Oh my God. And the meteor that happened the day.

[Dennis Asperg]

After we went home.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's crazy also.

[Jesse]

What's the story there?

[Dennis Asperg]

Oh, you know, I did not see it, but it was on the news. And that happened on Earth? Yeah, like one or two times per.

[Jesse]

Year a meteor impacts Earth one or two times per year?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And the day that size. And so you went out here.

[Dennis Asperg]

I was here. Exactly. On the way home. On my way home the day after.

[Jesse]

What year were you here?

[Dennis Asperg]

Oh, this. June.

[Jesse]

Oh, in June. Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Okay, so it wasn't in use. That's a big meteor from over Olan and over here.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Or perhaps they're going down.

[Jesse]

And was it like pretty much in the center of the Baltic Sea?

[Dennis Asperg]

Whoa.

[Jesse]

Crazy. Right after you went. And there was no sonic boom or there was a sonic.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, it was.

[Jesse]

There was a sonic boom.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Wow. Lots of witnesses to that.

[Jesse]

Crazy.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jesse]

So some sort of energy. You know, there's a guy named Christopher Dunn. Yeah. He thinks that the pyramid is an energy generator.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

So I wonder, perhaps it's a connection. I don't know.

[Jesse]

Yeah, never know.

[Dennis Asperg]

But we will find out.

[Jesse]

So I can't wait. And so how do you get to the bottom of something like this? Like what do you. What steps do you even take to figure out what this is?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, you know, I'm a explorer and a treasure hunter. I'm quite good at that when it comes to find Things and when it's come to this with find out what this is, you know, that's why I have this eulog and people from the university that helps me and they have opened the doors for me. And I have one person that I must, you know, she's wonderful and that's Beatrice Villarrell, that the person that opened the doors for me before that. I mean, for 15 years I have tried to get attention. People get interesting in this and I have been at places and I talked about that and they say, oh, Dennis, it's very interesting, it's very interesting. But you know, I don't want to get involved in this. You know, the stamp on, you know, UFO and things like that, my company. But it's interesting. I follow you, I follow you.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

But nothing else. And then I met Beatrice two years ago, I think and because I have always been since 96 and of course when we found the Baltic Sea Interesting UAPs and, and then I've, you know, met Beatrice for the first time and, and we find each other there and we have the same interest to find out what's going on around us because I'm already convinced, 100% convinced. So. And I'm know I'm a doer, I do it, I'm working for it and I don't give up. And it's the same thing with Beatrice. We're working together now. She opened the doors, she have the keys. So the scientists we are working with now are very excited and have been out there now with us. So we're going to go out again because it's unique. They have never seen anything like that either. So wow, that's great.

[Jesse]

And these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing. They all say they've never seen anything like this. And you made a video recently that went kind of viral on Twitter where you say, you know, I've seen some really amazing things with the Baltic Sea anomaly. You know, we're going to talk about this soon. Is there anything you can speak to about, about that? Like what you found in this last trip because you just went out there, right? Like not too long.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's so interesting that we must go out again with a SC scientist because I trust them. I trust them because I have no experience when it comes to that. So if they saying, Dennis, this is interesting, we have not seen anything like that. We must go out again and take more measurements and test that and that and that with different type of instruments and so on. When they are saying that I get.

[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

Not pick up anything. We have new data.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's what I can say.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And anything about the new data or it's.

[Dennis Asperg]

I'm a little careful to go out with the new data now. It looks like it's separated from the bottom. That's what I can say.

[Jesse]

Separated from the bottom of the. That's amazing. It's not a geological formation.

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know.

[Jesse]

It looks. Sounds like it's not.

[Dennis Asperg]

I must be a little careful.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

But yeah, it's. I don't know.

[Jesse]

So fascinating and so what do you. What's the next step after this? It's more testing or.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, of course. It's lots of things we must do. It's of course to go out again and take core samples not from the object, as I understand it, because that's quite difficult. So. But if we succeed this time to get more data that are very interesting, of course we must go out again and take core samples. But that, that equipment is quite expensive.

[Jesse]

So.

[Dennis Asperg]

Core sample take from the object.

[Jesse]

From the object. So this would be like drilling into it. Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

And that. That' easy.

[Jesse]

Sure.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. And it costs lots of money. So. But I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling.

[Jesse]

Yeah. Did. Has anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in the.

[Dennis Asperg]

Believe me, yeah, many and even I.

[Jesse]

But you haven't done it.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, no, we have not done it. I mean it's a risk.

[Jesse]

We don't know that's a risk for sure.

[Dennis Asperg]

But as Beatrice and I have talked about. We have talked about that perhaps we're going to use the rov, the smaller ROV to go in. Yeah. We have this big hole.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

Like 2 meters in diameter.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean the ROVs cost lots of money, but perhaps it's worth.

[Jesse]

Does the ROV have like night vision? Can it correct for. It must be dark down.

[Dennis Asperg]

No. You don't see anything really. Even if you have the. You must have a sonar on it.

[Jesse]

Okay, so you put the sonar on the.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, I have a sonar on the ROV so I see everything around.

[Jesse]

And it's a side scan sonar. So you end up with a 2D.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, it's not the side scan sonar. Side scan sonar is something you have between behind your boat or ship when you try to find anything. Then you have a blue U sonar on the rov.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

There you can see a front, like a picture in the front in front of you.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

There you have no visibility there you can see anyway.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's like a radar.

[Jesse]

Okay. It's like radar. Interesting. So you basically get the structural formation.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Of course you can see small details.

[Jesse]

Also, but you can't see optical. Right. You don't see an image.

[Dennis Asperg]

No. There depends. If you're lucky, you can see perhaps 30 or 50 centimeters in front of you.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, it's difficult.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

That is fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

It is so interesting when you started to talk to the press about this even back years ago.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Why do you think like military or aerospace or. I don't know anybody didn't want to check it out themselves? Authorities. They did. How do you know?

[Dennis Asperg]

They were lurking around in the waters when we were there.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

How do you know?

[Dennis Asperg]

I filmed it.

[Jesse]

How do you know they were authorities? Were they?

[Dennis Asperg]

Swedish authorities were French and German, American, British ships around us.

[Jesse]

Really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yep. And then also a Swedish coast Corvette go quite close to us. Suddenly we saw in the distance that this must be some kind of navy ship heading directly on us. 85, 90, all big. Turned out to be a navy ship and actually a Swedish one and. And it shouldn't be lurking around in those waters. They just stopped and were laying there and we were going in a search pattern and they were in our way and we called up on the radio and said, we have divers in the water, please move. And they did, but still they were there.

[Jesse]

It's crazy.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. And then we have airplanes.

[Jesse]

So how many. How many did you film?

[Dennis Asperg]

Six, seven ships. Wow. Big ships.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So you think they were there for you? It was not. It's not normal to see them all.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, no, no. That's not normal. I don't know. I mean.

[Jesse]

But how many other dives have you done where you're looking for cognac and wine, where you've seen six or seven ships from various different NATO countries?

[Dennis Asperg]

Not many, I must say. But when we have dive on the submarine, we found 2015 of the. The navy and the coast guard was there and boarding us and you know, want to investigate what we are doing and so on. And it was a.

[Jesse]

So that sounds like a similar thing because it's a Nash. It's a government. It's. It's of interest to the government, in this case the Russian government. And in this case it's interest to. Of interest to NATO and many governments, probably.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, yeah, of course. And then we were home there. I got the call from the Swedish. Let's say it's like FBI in Sweden and they want me there directly. Come over here, we want to talk to you. So I did. And it was about the submarine we have found and what people I'm talking to and they want to know every detail, everything about it the Russian people are talking about, I talk with and so on. So it's. Yeah, but every time we were out being out in the Baltic Sea. Except now. Yeah, except now this time nobody.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Why do you think that is?

[Dennis Asperg]

The ship we're using owned by the government, the Swedish government.

[Jesse]

Ah. So they get the data no matter what.

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know.

[Jesse]

Probably interesting. Maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf.

[Dennis Asperg]

I hope not.

[Jesse]

Yeah. The Swedish FBI, did they contact you about the Baltic Sea anomaly?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no. When it Comes to the Baltic Sea anomaly. We had a meeting at the headquarter, military headquarter in Stockholm. And I remember I said to one of the people there in this group, I said, you should know. I mean, you have been out there and lurking around and laying there and watching us. So what do you know about the whole. Have you been there? Have you dive on it? And he just looked at me, no, no, no, no, no, we have not been there. But I'm filming you. I have filmed you, so I know you have been there. Nothing. You don't say anything.

[Jesse]

Whoa.

[Dennis Asperg]

So they have been there and probably they dive there also.

[Jesse]

They probably dive down there, but they might also not know what's down there. They might not.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, no. Of course they have dived there.

[Jesse]

Do you think what. They know what it is. Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at or.

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean, that's crazy. If they have not done that. I mean. But still, you know, the crazy thing is also, it's not on international. It's on international water, but it's also on Finnish international economic zone. It's not on Swedish water. Finnish economic zone. So this little strange that the Swedish military ship are there and also other ships. But, you know, it's. I don't know, but they have been there and probably dive on it or use ROV and investigate it themselves. But when we were at the headquarter and talked to them, they said that we know nothing about it, we have had no ships there. And did you. But you filmed it.

[Jesse]

You filmed it. You have evidence. When you went to the military headquarters, was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea anomaly?

[Dennis Asperg]

Exactly.

[Jesse]

And they called you in.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So, okay, they definitely had an interest, at least.

[Dennis Asperg]

Of course they were interested. Yeah, yeah.

[Jesse]

But then they acted like they knew nothing. They had never got out there.

[Dennis Asperg]

And we show all the data, all the information from. From them and for. For them and. Yeah. Is it a spy? Yeah.

[Jesse]

Is it a Russian. Is it a Russian drone?

[Dennis Asperg]

I see a chip on it. Yeah, you see a chip? Well, you're a long way from home, my friend.

[Jesse]

What's the greatest ontological shock that you've experienced around the Baltic Sea anomaly?

[Dennis Asperg]

Chef, there's so many. But the, The. I mean, the first time we saw it. The first time we saw it, yeah, that was experience, because we have never seen anything like that before.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

So we were very confused and of course, I mean, curious about what it can be. And then after that, we have done our things down there and Pfan have been down as a diver and explain for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature and all the angles and walls and holes and things like that. So when you see it yourself or photos are film, then you begin to understand this must be in some way constructed.

[Jesse]

Have any skeptics come to you and said I think it's a rock walk. Have any insight and what do you say to them?

[Dennis Asperg]

Perhaps you're right. I'm not sure. The only thing I can say, I have no experience when it's come to that. I have never seen anything like that before. Not have my colleagues either. So nobody have seen thing like 60 meter in diameter. That was the first thing we did. And we send it over to our friends and people that we know are working with the same things as we do. And when they saw the pictures they of course they were curious and wondered where have we found this? Found this, as I mentioned, put out the Baltic Sea.

[Jesse]

Do you have a top theory as to what it is?

[Dennis Asperg]

It can be something that is constructed on the spot. Can be long time ago or perhaps before the Ice Age. I don't know. And that's why I have never give up when it's come to this because I want to know even if it's a rock. But very strange rock.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

I must say with all the angles and holes and. And it's a round object. It's also separated from the bottom.

[Jesse]

It's separated. How do you know that it's separated?

[Dennis Asperg]

Sub button profiling. Have you done? Yeah. So we can see the layers. Wow. Yep.

[Jesse]

Amazing. That's really incredible that it's definitely separated from the. So it is an object. It's not a geological formation.

[Dennis Asperg]

It looks. The data say that that's amazing.

[Jesse]

What's it called?

[Dennis Asperg]

Sub.

[Jesse]

Sub.

[Dennis Asperg]

Sub bottom profiling.

[Jesse]

Sub bottom profiling. And what. Do you know how that text works?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. It's like a radar. You go down to the ground and you see all the layers in the sediment.

[Jesse]

So we know it's attached to the seabed, but it's not. It's not.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's not a part of a mountain or something.

[Jesse]

It's not a geological formation, not part of the earth.

[Dennis Asperg]

The data saving.

[Jesse]

That's pretty amazing. So it's an object.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's why it's important. So important that we do in this investigation continue with it.

[Jesse]

Yes.

[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

That's how it. At least that's how it felt for me. I was having a hard time melting it. I had a hard time melting it. I was talking to my friend Dennis. I was sitting there.

[Jesse]

I just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned, Beatrice Villarreal, who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right. She talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis.

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean, I've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should just look without any hypothesis and do like classify things like you're classifying butterflies. I think you're not going to find anything.

[Jesse]

Well, obviously, because.

[Dennis Asperg]

Because you hypothesis, you don't target your experiment.

[Jesse]

Yes.

[Dennis Asperg]

And you are going to invest years into that. And you might have a great classific, like great catalog of things, but I'm not interested in the catalog. I don't know really what to think about that. It's something for sure. And if it is a UAP or a crashed ufo, should be cool if you have found that. Of course. But at the same time, with all the data we have now, it cannot be volcano, even if it can be volcano. But when I talk to scientists and I look at it now, it's not a volcano. No, no, it should not be like that. Is it meta asteroid or meteorite or something? No, it should not be that. Then you have this and this and this. Okay. Okay.

[Jesse]

Yeah. Why can't it be an asteroid or something?

[Dennis Asperg]

Then you have a crater, right? Yeah.

[Jesse]

And no crater here.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, it's standing up.

[Jesse]

It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure.

[Dennis Asperg]

It's laying on the bottom.

[Jesse]

And how big is it?

[Dennis Asperg]

Again, 60 meter in diameter. 60 meter.

[Jesse]

60 meters, yes.

[Dennis Asperg]

Big.

[Jesse]

It's very big, yeah. That's so interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

So let's find out instead.

[Jesse]

So your two top hypotheses are that it's either a ufo, maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space, or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the Younger Dryas period, maybe when, you know, there was probably flooding. There was flooding, we know, meltwater pulse 1B in 9,600 BC.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Before that, you know, you had. Water levels were different and maybe this was on land and it was built at that time.

[Dennis Asperg]

Can be like that. Yeah. So one something is built there.

[Jesse]

Either one is very interesting. It's fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, it is.

[Jesse]

And you're reasonably confident that they're. It's detached. The object is not part of a.

[Dennis Asperg]

Big phone or something? Yeah. Now, as we can see it now, the data we have from the last mission or where we're at, it looks like it's separated from the bottom on the data. But, you know, we're going to go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it.

[Jesse]

Did the diver that you mentioned before, who I think it was Stefan. Stefan Holgerborn, he touched it. Did he say it felt like anything?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, not really. He was surprised. It was dark under it. It was gray, like gray when it. The. The sand and then it take that away and it was dark, almost black, gray, black.

[Jesse]

Did he say it looks natural or artificial?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, nothing about that.

[Jesse]

He didn't say.

[Dennis Asperg]

Mention anything about that.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Did he mention feeling anything, being around it? Like, oh, my go.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He have. He have never, ever. And this is. He have been diving for a long, long time. He is well known in Sweden when it comes to diving.

[Jesse]

How many years has he been diving?

[Dennis Asperg]

Since he was a young guy.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

But anyway, he's.

[Jesse]

How old is he now?

[Dennis Asperg]

Same age. 60.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

So. And then.

[Jesse]

So 40 years. Probably.

[Dennis Asperg]

Probably more. But more still. You know, he said to me that when he was up, because he was. I saw in his face, he was very confused or, you know, sit in his face. And I was, of course, curious. What have you seen? And then he said to me, dennis, you know, I have died a lot, lot. And. And I have never ever seen anything like this.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. And I've done maybe 6,000 dives in my life. I would dive for an expert to tell me what I've seen.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. And then he explained for me about the hole. He explained about the temperature and he was brushing off the sand, the sediment, it was dark under it. And he tried to take samples from. It was too hard. So he takes samples that. Loose samples on it instead, like loose stones.

[Jesse]

And where did those stones. Have you tested those?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, we had tested in Israel.

[Jesse]

And are those stones, did they come back normal or.

[Dennis Asperg]

They found minerals, of course, and nothing that really sticks out. And basalt, volcanic stones they found. But at the same time, when I've talked to the people, the scientists, they say you will never find any basalt in the Baltic Sea because you don't have any volcano. But then they said that probably if you have found it, it's coming at the ice, you know, the end of the Ice age, it's melting period. It's coming from the Atlanta Atlantic and be in the Baltic, but I don't know. I don't know.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So it's almost like when you look at an ice core sample and you can kind of see what carbon levels were in the sediment layer of the ice or something. This might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago. The fact that there's even basalt there.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Is that kind of what you're.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's a very interesting test we're going to do. We're going to do a core drilling not at the object, but around object now and even it's this. And see if we see any layers.

[Jesse]

Ah, smart.

[Dennis Asperg]

So that's important to see how. I mean, how long has it been there?

[Jesse]

Have you brought a Geiger counter down or measured this time?

[Dennis Asperg]

We're going to do.

[Jesse]

You will?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

It's amazing.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

This is so fascinating. What do you. Do you want this to be a contribution to humanity or what do you want for this?

[Dennis Asperg]

The truth.

[Jesse]

The truth. Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

That's the only thing. And even if it's a rock, a big rock, I wanted to come out because I want to do like check, I have done this now I can go further with my other projects.

[Jesse]

Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angle?

[Dennis Asperg]

Not only that, as I mentioned with corridors and holes and things, I forgot one thing, very important. I have a like triangle like this with a hole in it.

[Jesse]

A triangle with a hole. How big is a triangle?

[Dennis Asperg]

Like 15 centimeters, 20 centimeters. Like that.

[Jesse]

Whoa. With a hole in it?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, the hole.

[Jesse]

Like a perfect round circle.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Almost as if it was like laser cut or something.

[Dennis Asperg]

Perfect on the object.

[Jesse]

Any writing? I assume not. No inscription.

[Dennis Asperg]

You Know, it's. As I mentioned, we have. We were lucky when we found this on a. On a film. But you know, it's a big object and visibility down there, as I said, it's very. You know, it's pitch black.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

And it's difficult to see things. Wow. But we saw that and probably we will find more next time we're coming out.

[Jesse]

That's so fascinating. Before the Baltic Sea anomaly, were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified Flying objects, Space aliens, anything like that?

[Dennis Asperg]

That. Okay, let's go back in time then. I have talked about this before and I can do it again because that it was. That was something that changed my life totally back in 1996. I live outside of Stockholm, not far from here, very close to a military installation. And I was an entrepreneur, explorer entrepreneur. I had my businesses and doing lots of things. I was daddy to two boys. And I have a wife and. And a good life, perfect life. And the only thing, when it's come to UAPs and UFO. I saw Star Wars, ETs and aliens. That was the only thing I not interested in when it's come to. I did not think about it. Yeah, I was busy in my world. So. So anyway, that thing that changed my mind totally was 96 in the summer. In the early summer. I lay in my bed in the apartment not far from this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up 3:30 something in the morning. Usually I sleep a long time. I use the time for sleeping at that time because I. I'm working a lot. But this morning I wake up for some reason I still today don't understand. Really. I have thought about it, of course, but I wake up laying in my bed for 10 minutes and I decide to go up and drink water in the kitchen. So I'm sitting in the bed. I have a big window in front of me. And outside the window I have this military installation. Fuwa, it's called in Swedish Town. So I'm sitting there in my bed and look out of the window and see something that should not be there. And it's taken me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there.

[Jesse]

What is it?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, good question. And then I'm getting frustrated, you know. When you see something that not fit, you know it should not be there that I get to use. I begin to use my F words and try to get my wife's attention because she's sleeping behind me. I want her to see that also, because it's something.

[Jesse]

So you're making a little scene.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, yeah. And then stand up and turn around and look at her to what? You know. And she looked at me scared because, I mean, that's not. Dennis. I'm a quite cool guy. And this in the. In the early morning. So then I turn around and look again and went out to the window and it's still there. It's still there. And then I begin to understand this is something very, very odd and strange I have in front of me. And then the thing happens that when you see it like this, it looks like a hot dog and it's brown, this yellow, and the sunlight is reflecting on it. And then it's going like this and it's dark under it. And then I see it's round before I don't see it round. Then I see it round. And then after one second, one and a half second, it's. Wow.

[Jesse]

So what shape is it?

[Dennis Asperg]

It's round. It's round. But if you see it like this, you don't see it as round, but when it do like this, it's round.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

So you just saw. Looked like a flat plane because you were looking at it from the side.

[Dennis Asperg]

Like a hot dog or a cigar or something.

[Jesse]

Some sort of long line. Yeah. Which is a common people's Tic Tac cigars. And then it turned and you saw that it was round and then it popped off. And how long did you see it for?

[Dennis Asperg]

14, 15 seconds.

[Jesse]

How far away from you standing in front of the window?

[Dennis Asperg]

One and a half kilometers. One to one and a half kilometers.

[Jesse]

Wow. So it must have been a pretty big object.

[Dennis Asperg]

It was a big. It was not, as I mentioned to many people. It's not what it was. Not a bird on the window.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

And not a bird or. It was something very, very strange.

[Jesse]

It's amazing that you woke up at that time.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Was it around the military installation was on the.

[Dennis Asperg]

Over the military institution.

[Jesse]

Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And does the military installation house any sort of nuclear stuff? I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden. Or there's. There's. Yeah, there's nuclear energy, there's fun craft and stuff.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, no. Plutonium and lots of other things. The nuclear things they work with there. Because I did my investigation, because I was, you know, Wow. I have seen something. Now I must figure out what it is. I must try to find out if I can find any information regarding this, what I have seen. If anybody else have Seen it. So local papers at that time, 96, we had AltaVista, you know, and Modeum. You put your phone in and then you call. No broadband at that time.

[Jesse]

Internet service provider. Modem. Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

So was local paper, military sites. And also my friend in the military, I talked to nobody. Nobody have seen it or heard anything about it. So then I contacted a ufos.

[Jesse]

Vari.

[Dennis Asperg]

Ufo Sweden.

[Jesse]

Uhhuh.

[Dennis Asperg]

You haven't talked to one of this thing, guys, I think Class one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jesse]

So this is like the official. Yeah, Investigate. Civilian investigation.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Ufo.

[Dennis Asperg]

So I, I mailed them, but I did not get any receipt.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

Anything back. So that was a shock for me. And that was something that changed my belief totally. Totally. Before that, nothing at all. So I remember when I saw this thing, I, I, I got my attention, I got her attention, but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, it's flowing over my house and then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side. And I'm standing there like, what? Where is it? Where is it? And I don't see anything. And then she's coming. And then. What's wrong? What's wrong? I don't know. I have seen something. And then after that, my two kids are coming. Papa, Papa, what's wrong? And I'm. This morning, we're sitting eating breakfast and I tried to, in my best way to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day we go down to this area. It's a protected area. It's a military installation, so we cannot go in. But anyway, I go there because I have reference. I saw that there was one part of it and that was how big is it? And then I began to. Okay, must be like 6, 700 meters in diameter. So we're talking about a big thing.

[Jesse]

Wow.

[Dennis Asperg]

So yeah, that's what happened to me in 96.

[Jesse]

That's amazing. And you looked into it and you realized that the military installation, that site does like plutonium enrichment. And that seems to be a huge pattern, as I'm sure you're.

[Dennis Asperg]

After a while they begin to understand that the reason, perhaps they are there.

[Jesse]

Yeah. Other plutonium enrichment sites in the U.S. savannah Riverside, South Carolina or Hanford, Washington. There are a lot of UFO sightings over both. In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford plutonium site in 1945. This pilot named Bud Clem. So it's, it's a very common thing. Wow, that's amazing.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, that was something that began. I mean there were, there was that Was the time that I began to think about, okay, we are not alone, something are here.

[Jesse]

So you started to get interested in the.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very interesting.

[Jesse]

Did you start to read about the topic?

[Dennis Asperg]

Of course.

[Jesse]

Yeah, of course.

[Dennis Asperg]

I tried to find out if somebody else have found. Seen anything like that, look at pictures because we did not have YouTube and things at that time. 96. But then I saw pictures and. No, no, nothing like that. Nothing like that, nothing like that. I really tried my best to find out if somebody have take a picture of it or something.

[Jesse]

Fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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[Dennis Asperg]

And so I. Yeah, that changed your life totally, Dan.

[Jesse]

Definitely changed my life.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Our experience, as you know, I have experienced. Lots of other people I've talked to that have experienced, they have changed their life totally. And not only their life, only the family's life. Because you get. You'll be another person.

[Jesse]

Yes. Yeah. It opens you up spiritually too. And I think. I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things, you know.

[Dennis Asperg]

Me too. I was like totally focused on my, you know, myself and my family and my career, my business and everything what I'm doing. And then that happened. That really changed me.

[Jesse]

Yeah. That's beautiful.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. The meaning of life. Begin to think about who are we? Who are them, why are they here? And so on and so on, you know, that's why it's so important for me. And I know for you and lots of other people too.

[Jesse]

Yes.

[Dennis Asperg]

You cannot just leave you back or just walk away.

[Jesse]

No, you can't walk away.

[Dennis Asperg]

You cannot do that because you have it your whole life in you.

[Jesse]

Yes. Maybe the way the beings are speaking to us is through the discoveries. You know, it's like their language.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Perhaps they don't want to just give it on us. They want us to find it.

[Jesse]

I think that's right. That's every. Every story is like that, you know, King Arthur, you know, any. Anything. It's always, you have to search. What do you say to the people who say, oh, well, Dennis was already interested in UFOs and, and you know, he's just biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. As I mentioned, 96, that changed my life. And I am explorer. I have been an explorer since I was a kid. Really. I'm a curious guy. I've always been interested in finding things that nobody else have found. And of course make money on it so I can pay my bills and do new, you know, expeditions and things like that. So. And then we found this thing and they can't believe what they. I mean, it's my. It's my. It's my life. I have always been like that. And yes, sorry if they feel like that, but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through and I found something for sure that is very interesting and I'm open with it. Everything I do, I'm open with it. It. It's the same thing with shipwrecks. I'm doing that because I know lots of people as I was. And when I was a kid I was curious. I look at TV and things and books and. And I know lots of people around the world are very curious about treasures. You know, I'm a treasure hunter. And then I found this thing and the same thing there. I'm open with it. And then I have seen something 96 that convinced me. So I'm open. Have always been like that.

[Jesse]

Say you take a core sample, you bring a Geiger counter, you observe much more the next time, your next visit, and you actually get conclusive proof that this is an anomalous object, not from Earth. What next?

[Dennis Asperg]

Talk about it. Show the whole world about the truth about it. That's how I work. And that's how we together be atrice and I work. We want to be open with everything. Even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is. I must be open with it.

[Jesse]

Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs that hit the water? Specifically the ghost rocket anomalies in the 40s, for example, never landed on land or crashed on land. They always hit the water and stuff.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. You know, since I was out with the information 96 then. Then I found it 2011, but 96 no, I was not out with the information. But since 2011 I have received, I mean, so much mails from people around the world. And even here in Sweden they're talking about. They have seen cigars, they have, you know, crashed in the water, in forest and things like that. And they want to talk to me and you know, lots of People have contacted me and I wish I can clone myself and you know, do. It's so many people.

[Jesse]

Yes. So you know who Matthew Brown is? Yeah, he's this recent whistleblower, you know, UAP whistleblower, recent UFO whistleblower in the US and he encountered this immaculate constellation document within the government and it talks about trans medium objects, UFOs going in and out of the water. Yeah, but he also, he talked about in his interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp the idea that some of these UFOs are made to purpose. So they're built in order to serve specific functionalities. Sometimes these might be, you know, made to purpose. So. So if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, they'll design it to excel on that mission. And this is getting into very speculative territory. But there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan. You know, this one of these kind of dark Internet forums or whatever and he said he was sick and you know, he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. Truth. And he says that Basically these, these UFOs are built to spec, they're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. And so I wonder if this was an object with all of these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90 degree corners that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose and then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of or you.

[Dennis Asperg]

Know, who knows, who knows? I don't know. But that will hopefully we will find out when it comes to this. And since 2011 I received lots of mails and even letters on paper that the story about things that have crashed down in the water and even former officers in the Navy that have contacted me that are very scared to go out with it, but they want to tell me the story about the have seen things like that Amazing. In the water.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah. There's even in the US there's a guy named John Pina Craven, he wrote a book called the Silent War. And they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US of finding things on the sea floor. And there are rumors that the glomar explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe, you know, subsea to to find sort of objects like this. So I think there's a long history of crash retrievals, you know, in the ocean.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And it's fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

And then I don't know if you.

[Jesse]

Wanted to like touch on the like the Baikal, Baikal Lake. Do you know the story of like Soviet divers going down to, like, look for something and they get petrified. Like, they meet these tall, tall humans. Interesting.

[Dennis Asperg]

When was that? In 80s too. 82.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

Because it's a.

[Jesse]

It's a big story in UFO lore.

[Dennis Asperg]

Okay.

[Jesse]

Of just like, these soldiers, like, petrified.

[Dennis Asperg]

Where was that? In the lake or. Yeah, leg back up.

[Jesse]

There's also. There's another story similar in Hawaii. This guy, David Noble, White Crow, because he's a. He's an Indian guy.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

He was a UFO witness, but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii. And the idea was maybe it was related to the Starfish prime test series. So the Marshall Islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever, where UFO material was supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy, Harold Malmgren, who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material from that came out of the plume of a blast from Operation Bluegill Triple Prime. And it was given to him by Jeff Bezos's maternal grandfather, Lawrence Preston. Guys at Sandia National Labs at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Amazing. And so, anyway, so this guy, David Noble. Right. Crow, was stationed with this other guy. He said that he dove down and saw some sort of object, but that it was almost alive. And it was. I think Dolan might talk about this as well. Richard Dolan. So the object itself was like, breathing, and it was organic. And he didn't know why. He was this kind of. You know, in intelligence circles, often they say, go find a thing, and you don't know what you're looking for. And so he apparently looked at the object when he was down there, and it really shocked him. He became. It was ontologically completely shocking. He was like, what am I seeing? And it was. Because it looked organic and it was like breathing. So. And then I think about the hole with the sand.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. But you're saying something very interesting because when we did the samples there from. We take from. Not from the object, but from that laying on the object. It was organic. Boned. Metro.

[Jesse]

Yeah. Organic. Burned.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Whoa. So, like.

[Dennis Asperg]

But, you know, I'm not a specialist in that area, but it was. It was that.

[Jesse]

So it was like charred, like.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, something have high temperature. Very high temperature. And it's like basalt, as you know. And then when it's cooling down the layers on it, when you're scrapping it or take the test. What's biologic?

[Jesse]

How'd you know the science?

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean, it was biological. Yeah.

[Jesse]

They tested to contain DNA and stuff?

[Dennis Asperg]

No, that I don't know.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Dennis Asperg]

But it was biologic.

[Jesse]

When you say biological, plant or animal.

[Dennis Asperg]

Can be, I don't know, some sort.

[Jesse]

Of tissue or something.

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know.

[Jesse]

It's fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

Nothing. It's Dead Sea, so.

[Jesse]

No, but this had biological material. So normally you would never find biological material in this scenario. No, no, no.

[Dennis Asperg]

No deficiencies.

[Jesse]

That's fascinating.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea.

[Jesse]

But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or not a specific animal or specific.

[Dennis Asperg]

No. Wow. So. But hopefully this time when we go out, we're going to take more samples. Core drilling, as I mentioned for you. But we're going to take. Hopefully we can take something from the object, but if not, we take new samples from different spots around it and even on it and do our investigation and you know, look at it.

[Jesse]

Amazing. Well, Godspeed, man. I'm very excited to see what you find. I think it's very cool what you're doing. And do you think. I mean, do you believe that you'll succeed in figuring out what this object is?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jesse]

You do?

[Dennis Asperg]

100%. Even if it's a stone or volcano or whatever it is? We will find out. I don't give up. We must have an answer now to what it is. But it had been a tough time. Fifteen years and gray hairs and struggling with this to convince people to get into this. And now we have the right people involved in this project. And I'm so glad for that. But it had been a tough time with threats and people that want to hurt me or my family. And so it's had been tough for me.

[Jesse]

So I'm sorry.

[Dennis Asperg]

In many ways.

[Jesse]

Any. Any specific threats that you can talk about?

[Dennis Asperg]

Not really. But you know, you get maids and like threatening me and my kids and lots of things like that. Horrible to make me to stop or.

[Jesse]

Well, yeah, they literally say stop looking for the Baltic Sea in the home.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, we know what your kids are. We know what kindergarten they are at. Now we're talking about my youngest kid now they are teenagers and. But at that time they work in the kindergarten. Were in the kindergarten and school and they said that we know about your son there and daughter there and that when I was. What the. You know, Jesus, and be careful about that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I still have the males left, you know.

[Jesse]

You do?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, and lots of it. And then people that think I'm open the door to hell.

[Jesse]

Hell, really?

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

Like you're opening a gateway to hell.

[Dennis Asperg]

Gateway to hell. So I'm the gonna blame me on, you know, so it was tough and then to, to if you have a wife, you know, family. And I must be open with everything. If there's threat threatening me and my family. Yeah, I must be open. Yeah. And that was very tough for them to accept that. And, and, and they did not really accept it and it was tough for me. I mean, Dennis, what have you done? Don't put this, put us in this situation, you know, and, and was tough, but they, they have, you know, supported me and this because it's important they know that's important for me. And now we are here 2025 and we are out again and hopefully we have an answer this year what we have found. But even if it's a stone or whatever it is, I will continue to work in this area to find out are we alone? And we are not alone. But who are they? Where are they coming from? What's the purpose? And so on. So that is something very important for me. Me.

[Jesse]

Well, I think if the people mailing you didn't think it was real, they wouldn't be so vociferous and aggressive in everything they're saying. It's implying an insecurity that they actually think the thing is real. If they think, they thought that you were obsessed with a volcanic rock for 15 years, they wouldn't be threatening anything.

[Dennis Asperg]

No, no, no. We all on the. The crew, everybody on the ship and also, as I mentioned, the Finnish guys. And, and we have been out there and it's the reason we are going out. Many times I've been out there not for a stone. I mean, we have seen something that have, you know, make us confused.

[Jesse]

Do you plan to document what you find throughout so that you can. I think it's important maybe for just as a defense for yourself to show the process as you're finding things. So nobody can kind of deny that you. Because you have, you know, evidence that you're doing it as you're doing it.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, we, of course, we have a plan for that. And, and we have filmed when we were out last time, we did a little filming. Of course, we don't have any film crew with us or any production company because I have been little. You know, we do it ourselves now in the beginning, but we have changed our mind a little now. We must think about perhaps to connect a team or get in contact with a team that can film us and document everything, because I think is lots of things are going to happen when we are out now this time and hopefully later. That's what I hope for. And it's good to have on film also. Well, you never know. We're available. Not yet. No. I'm with the drone.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

We were flying on the.

[Jesse]

Hovering on the surface.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. And we saw some weird lines, some cracks like it.

[Jesse]

And something I would say like rustic brownish color. Like rust. Like, like. Like metal.

[Dennis Asperg]

So like it was little bit like old stand. But just running theory, why would there be metal? Question, Quality of the. Oh yeah, it's great. It's like your walls. That's the picture you take.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

You took when you dive for the first time with your rov.

[Jesse]

So this is higher resolution.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. Because the range is smaller. So you got.

[Jesse]

And it shows. It's even straighter than before. How long is that super straight part?

[Dennis Asperg]

I mean, I would say that's.

[Jesse]

It must be at least 30m.

[Dennis Asperg]

30M. At least 60m. The whole thing. So what is.

[Jesse]

What are the chances of that? It's crazy.

[Dennis Asperg]

I don't know. My dream is that one day we.

[Jesse]

Can have one of these objects in a museum. So a kid can like.

[Dennis Asperg]

Exactly.

[Jesse]

Can. Can look at it and be inspired and understand and understand that the potential.

[Dennis Asperg]

Of possibility that exists in the universe.

[Jesse]

For me, that was the pyramid when.

[Dennis Asperg]

I was a kid. Yeah. I grew up half an hour away from it. I know the impact of having seen.

[Jesse]

Something that almost doesn't feel like it belongs to this reality. And like ever since I think I said that on camera during the Grush. The Grush documentary. Just like that's why I'm in it for it. Cool. Because I hope that our work and every interview that we do can push people to.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. That's why it's so important for us in this. You know, what we are doing. It's that we work together.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

That we really. Instead of on. He's doing that. You know what I mean? Lots of people in different groups and I don't want to speak to them.

[Jesse]

I think the phenomena doesn't open itself up to you unless you have that orientation of loving and humanity. It'll reject you.

[Dennis Asperg]

Something perhaps I forgot to mention was about 96. You know, go back to 96. I was parents. I had two young guys. I was occupied with all my businesses and exploring and so on. Something I thought about later, perhaps a couple of weeks, a month after that incident was a feeling I had a feeling that usually I don't wake up so early at that time. I was young daddy, you know, and blah, blah, blah. And I Used my time to sleep. When I have the chance to sleep, I sleep. Don't go up. Four o', clock, 3:30 in the night. No way. I did not as now I'm an old guy, I won't go up and pee, you know, that's what I'm doing. Not that at that time. But I wake up of some reason, of some reason I don't understand today. And perhaps, perhaps there was that feeling I had in some way. And I begin to think about it later after a couple of weeks that perhaps it was some plan for me to. I think so to wake up and see it. Because I had the feeling after it not in the situation then I was angry and pissed off because I did not understand what I'm seeing. But after a week or two weeks I began to.

[Jesse]

How come.

[Dennis Asperg]

And I talked to my wife at that time, you know, how calm and she. No, Dennis, I don't know. You used to sleep a long time. But this time I wake up and was something. I cannot put my finger on it. Not something.

[Jesse]

Do you know what a time loop is or a closed time like curve in physics?

[Dennis Asperg]

No.

[Jesse]

It's two connected points in time that couldn't exist without one another. They're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, you know, the Swiss psychologist, he was a contemporary of Freud. He had a patient and this patient was very kind of materialist, reductionist, just believed in the physical world, was very rational.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. And it was this very important thing. In her dream, she comes in, she talks to Carl Jung, who's her, you know, psychologist, and she says that I don't know, I was given the scarab beetle is very strange. I don't know. But she's very skeptical. And as she's telling the story, a scarab beetle comes down the windowsill and lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. And then she gets. Gets so emotional and starts crying. And it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work and that there's far more beyond, you know, just our material existence and plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab beetle, then the dream itself wouldn't have been this self fulfilling prophecy.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

And he wouldn't have gifted it to her and the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so there are two points connected in space and time. And so I think that could be what's happening with you right now. Where. And it's a lot of people, you know, I think the almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, oh, I'm this very impartial observer and I haven't been affected by this on a core personal level. And then you get a little deeper, you have drinks with the person and they're like, okay, I saw something five years ago and, and I know it's real. So now I'm looking for it. And I have a similar. I've seen stuff and it was right at the start of doing this show. And it really has impacted my own desire to, you know, substantiate what I saw more. And so I do believe what you just said.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah, I saw what I saw. And then I decided to be quiet about it, as I mentioned. And I try to see if I can find any information in local papers, in the military sites and so on, and I did not find anything. And I decided to be totally quiet about it. The only people that known about it was my family, my closest friends. But then on, on a cruising with a ship because they were curious about the Baltic Sea anomaly. One, one young guy coming to me, Dennis, have you seen anything? I mean, the UFOs. And I just know I should not talk about that. And then, okay, let's do it. Yeah, I say it. That was the first time I mentioned it for a public. That's for a person.

[Jesse]

And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life that there's something else out there, maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, ah, probably a prosaic thing. Why would I spend so much time on this thing? So it's interesting. Even scientists as reputable as Gary Nolan at Stanford, it's similar where, like he kind of started to uncover experiences he had had in his childhood.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

When he got into the subject professionally later in life. So. So I think it's impossible to completely separate the observer and the observed. And I think it's always honorable when anybody admits what's driving them is often a personal experience. There's no way to decouple those two things.

[Dennis Asperg]

Oh, interesting, interesting.

[Jesse]

Very interesting. Yeah. Well, the journey.

[Dennis Asperg]

Let's find out what it is.

[Jesse]

Let's do it.

[Dennis Asperg]

Okay, great.

[Jesse]

Thank you.

[Dennis Asperg]

Thank you. You, yeah, you're a curious guy and that's good. I'm, I'm a curious guy. And that's so important for me to continue. Still. I'm alive, I'm healthy, and I'm okay. But you never know. Someday you just get sick and you don't have the energy to continue. But still, I'm.

[Jesse]

You're great.

[Dennis Asperg]

Now I want to do it.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Dennis Asperg]

Continue to find the answer without the military or the governments.

[Jesse]

Yes, I agree.

[Dennis Asperg]

Yeah. That's important for me.

[Jesse]

Yeah. No, for humanity, for the world, for.

[Dennis Asperg]

The future, for my kids, grandkids and so on. It's.

[Jesse]

Oh, I think you will. I think you. You have the right energy towards it.

[Dennis Asperg]

So I'll do my best.

[Jesse]

I want to go dive down there. Foreign did you enjoy that? Well, here's the thing. That episode was just the tip of the iceberg. If you want the full picture, head over to the American Alchemy magazine we just launched on Substack. That's where we deep dive into all sorts of crazy topics that we don't have time to fit into every video with weekly articles and exploring all of the strange, forgotten and conspiratorial corners of space, history and high weirdness. So join up today at our free or paid tiers on Substack. I am including the full link in the description of this video.

[Dennis Asperg]

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[Jesse]

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