Preparing For Uncertain Times & Stephen Miller Flipping Tables

Summary

American Fever Dream: Preparing For Uncertain Times & Stephen Miller Flipping Tables

Episode Overview

In this episode of American Fever Dream, hosted by Bea Speer and Sammy Sage from Betches Media, the hosts delve into the tumultuous political landscape shaped by the Trump administration. The episode is divided into two main segments: a comprehensive discussion on the potential impacts of Trump's policies on the transgender community, and an in-depth profile of Stephen Miller, a pivotal figure in Trump's cabinet. Throughout the episode, Speer and Sage blend serious analysis with humor, aiming to empower listeners amidst political chaos.

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1. Preparing for Uncertain Times: Transgender Rights Under the Trump Administration

a. Trump's Policy Priorities

The episode opens with Bea Speer addressing concerns from transgender and non-binary listeners about the Trump administration's potential policies. Speer emphasizes the importance of preparation over fear, stating:

"I'm telling you this to prepare you, not to scare you. And I want you to know that the people who love you today will love you tomorrow." (00:15)

Speer outlines that the Trump administration is likely to prioritize mass deportations and target transgender rights, leveraging these issues to garner support from constituents.

b. Impact on the Transgender Community

Speer and Sage discuss the minimal representation of transgender individuals in the broader population, highlighting that:

"Trans people make up less than a half a percent of the total American population." (02:01)

They argue that despite their small numbers, transgender rights are being disproportionately targeted to serve political agendas. The conversation touches on the lack of substantial incidents involving transgender athletes, debunking the narrative used by the administration to stoke fears.

c. Safety Measures and Community Support

Speer emphasizes the necessity for the transgender community to adopt safety measures in anticipation of restrictive policies:

"We're going to be realistic about what you pass as and protect yourself with that." (07:46)

She advocates for maintaining one's identity in safe spaces while being cautious in public settings. The hosts discuss strategies such as using protective styles for hair and preparing foundational safety at home, ensuring that individuals can express themselves freely within secure environments.

d. Constitutional Implications: 14th Amendment and Privacy

A critical part of the discussion revolves around the potential removal of transgender rights under the 14th Amendment. Speer explains:

"He is now going to say that no, in fact, you do not have the right to privacy as a trans person." (05:59)

This move would open the door for widespread discrimination in areas like employment, housing, and medical care. The hosts highlight the precariousness of the situation, noting that the Supreme Court's affirmation could severely undermine existing protections.

e. Strategies for Protection and Coping

Speer and Sage encourage the community to stay informed and connected, despite limitations on online safe spaces. They discuss the importance of in-person organization and support systems:

"We can share things like how do you do homemade HRT, Right. How do you see yourself in person when you're not teaching them?" (10:29)

The conversation underscores the resilience of the community and the necessity to adapt to new challenges by finding innovative ways to maintain safety and support.

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2. Cabinet of Crazies: Profile of Stephen Miller

a. Introduction to Stephen Miller

Transitioning to the "Cabinet of Crazies" segment, Speer and Sage introduce Stephen Miller as a central, yet controversial figure in Trump's administration. Miller is portrayed as a young, ideologically driven policymaker with significant influence over immigration policies.

b. Stephen Miller's Background and Rise to Prominence

The hosts delve into Miller's early life and career, revealing his affluent upbringing in Santa Monica, California, within a Jewish family:

"He grew up pretty affluent in Santa Monica, California, to a Jewish family. His grandparents escaped a pogrom in Belarus in 1903 and came to America as immigrants." (19:35)

Miller's contentious actions during his high school years are highlighted, including his anti-immigrant rhetoric and involvement with far-right groups. Sage recounts Miller's role in the 2006 Duke lacrosse scandal, where Miller defended accused players and used the incident to fuel his anti-immigrant and racial agendas.

c. Policy Influence and Controversial Actions

Miller's pivotal role in crafting key Trump administration policies is scrutinized. The hosts discuss his involvement in the zero-tolerance immigration policy, family separations at the border, the Muslim ban, and the termination of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals). Speer critiques Miller's apparent enjoyment of harsh immigration policies:

"Cruelty is the point." (31:40)

They also touch upon his collaboration with far-right figures and organizations, further cementing his reputation as a hardliner.

d. Personal Anecdotes and Assessments

Speer and Sage share personal anecdotes to illustrate Miller's character, describing him as someone with deep-seated prejudices from a young age. They recount incidents that portray Miller as manipulative and extreme, including his aggressive behavior in mock political settings and his vehement opposition to diversity and inclusion initiatives.

Sage reflects on Miller's motivations and impact, concluding that his actions embody a harmful and divisive approach to governance:

"This is nuts." (29:35)

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3. Conclusion

In wrapping up the episode, Speer and Sage reaffirm their commitment to providing listeners with the information and support needed to navigate challenging political times. They emphasize the importance of community, resilience, and proactive measures to safeguard rights and identities.

"Just protect yourself and the people you love and know that, like, we're not giving up the fight." (13:45)

The hosts tease upcoming segments, including a future interview with Jared Freed from the Betches You Up podcast, and encourage listeners to share their own traditions and stories, fostering a sense of solidarity and mutual support.

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Notable Quotes:

• Bea Speer (00:15): "I'm telling you this to prepare you, not to scare you. And I want you to know that the people who love you today will love you tomorrow."

• Bea Speer (05:59): "He is now going to say that no, in fact, you do not have the right to privacy as a trans person."

• Bea Speer (07:46): "We're going to be realistic about what you pass as and protect yourself with that."

• Sammy Sage (19:35): "He grew up pretty affluent in Santa Monica, California, to a Jewish family. His grandparents escaped a pogrom in Belarus in 1903 and came to America as immigrants."

• Bea Speer (31:40): "Cruelty is the point."

• Sammy Sage (29:35): "This is nuts."

• Bea Speer (13:45): "Just protect yourself and the people you love and know that, like, we're not giving up the fight."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of American Fever Dream offers a sobering yet empowering exploration of the current political climate, particularly focusing on the threats facing the transgender community and the influence of figures like Stephen Miller. Speer and Sage balance critical analysis with personal insights, encouraging listeners to stay informed, prepared, and connected in the face of adversity.

Transcript

[Bea Speer]

Rise and shine, fever dreamers. Look alive, my friends. I'm Bea Speer.

[Sammy Sage]

And I'm Sammy Sage.

[Bea Speer]

And this is American Fever Dream, presented by Betches News, where we explore the.

[Sammy Sage]

Absurdities and oddities of our uniquely American experience.

[Bea Speer]

And today, we're gonna open up Trump's cabinet of crazies and see who or what we find. But first, I've been getting a lot of questions from my trans and non binary people and we need to get real about what could happen over the next four years. So I really wanna start to think about how we can stay safe. And I'm not telling you this to sc mostly just to prepare you. I'm going to tell you this stuff and in exchange we're going to make a contract, me and you guys, that you will not do harm to yourself or fall into despair. I'm telling you this to prepare you, not to scare you. And I want you to know that the people who love you today will love you tomorrow. And there are more people out here who are fighting for your right to exist. But we just have to be honest about where we are right now. And you're not going to like it and it's going to be uncomfortable and it's going to be ugly. We're going to have a big cry about it, but we're going to be, we're going to be.

[Sammy Sage]

We're going to take it head on.

[Bea Speer]

We're going to take it head on and we're going to be safe. So here are some of the things that we know the Trump administration is planning to do. Now, when it comes to his plans, the two things that he is going to focus on first are mass deportations and trans people. And that is because that gets him a lot of claps from his constituents. And he ran a campaign. They will say that Kamala Harris ran on social issues. No, she didn't. She never mentioned really gay or trans people at all the whole time. That was his entire campaign.

[Sammy Sage]

She never mentioned a single element of identity politics the whole time that she was the candidate. Theirs was all about immigrants. They're eating the cats.

[Bea Speer]

People are going to.

[Sammy Sage]

Trans people are ruining your lives in.

[Bea Speer]

Sports and all this kind of stuff, right?

[Sammy Sage]

That is like they have yard signs about saving girls, sports. I again, I want to find one example of a trans woman who has injured or who was actually trying to play on a high school sports team that has caused an issue. I'm like genuinely never had one example. Somebody please send me one.

[Bea Speer]

Well, we ran the numbers and trans people make up less than a half a percent of the total American population. So we're talking about a very small amount of people.

[Sammy Sage]

Does that mean trans people who have transition, like, who have undergone treatment, or does that mean people who are, in.

[Bea Speer]

Their minds, okay, just identify as trans in some form, not have undergone treatment, just identify as.

[Sammy Sage]

So fewer than that even have gone undergone transition or hormone therapy or anything.

[Bea Speer]

Okay, so half a percent of all Americans in the whole world, half a percent identify as trans. Of that, the majority are adults. Right. Because that's how we pull people. So we now know adults of that. The amount of people who would be considered any kind of, like, apex athlete is even smaller than that. So when we ran all the numbers all the way through, the amount of people who identify as trans who would even potentially participate in sports at the high school or college level is 100 people.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay. And do they actually.

[Bea Speer]

100 people of what? 334 million people. And he ran his entire campaign making you think that this was, like, the greatest threat to America.

[Sammy Sage]

And also, those 100 people don't even necessarily want to play the sport.

[Bea Speer]

Correct?

[Sammy Sage]

Like, that's correct. People who could, in theory, want to.

[Bea Speer]

Play the sport or play on, like, a college fund team, Right?

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah.

[Bea Speer]

So we're talking about when it came down to, like, who could potentially compete at the Olympic level, one.

[Sammy Sage]

I mean, they're still on Imani Khalif.

[Bea Speer]

Who'S not even trans. Right.

[Sammy Sage]

And also, like, not an American, but.

[Bea Speer]

They made it seem like it was the biggest deal in the world. And so those are the facts on that. So this is what we're talking about when it comes to the smallest amount of people. Now, the two ways that we know straight off the Trump administration is seeking to really set trans rights back astronomically is an attack on trans people in prison, because that is a very.

[Sammy Sage]

They're already in prison.

[Bea Speer]

They're already in prison. And to a lot of people, prisoners are disposable. They don't think that they deserve rights. They committed crimes. Now, their crime could be things like petty theft. They. It could be just crimes of survival. We'll call them. Right. Sex, work, think crimes, survival. Right. And so they're in prison. And the ways that the world worked was that it is, you know, cruel and unusual punishment to not give people the medicines they're prescribed. So that's why trans prisoners and inmates were getting their HRT or we're getting their whatever. Because it is. That is an amendment. No. Cruel and unusual.

[Sammy Sage]

And they were getting this. Under the Trump administration, they've been getting.

[Bea Speer]

It for a long.

[Sammy Sage]

There's also like so few examples of.

[Bea Speer]

This because it's cruel and because. And it's not trans specific. It's. If you are taking medicine and you are incarcerated, it is cruel and unusual to not give you the medicine you need. Right. You can't let people die of cancer just because they're in prison.

[Sammy Sage]

Right.

[Bea Speer]

You can't let people not get their HRT just because they're in prison. So those were just. Those were constitutional.

[Sammy Sage]

What does HRT stand for?

[Bea Speer]

Yeah. So for, for people transitioning to be women. This is their estrogen. Also women. But the problem is it's also lots CIS women take HRT because menopause. All different kind of things.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah. I think people, I think generally, like, there's a lot of just misunderstanding about the widespread use of various therapies that are not used for the hormone replacement, like the vicious purpose that people are worried that they're being used for.

[Bea Speer]

So one thing we know that they're going to do straight off is say that there is no such thing as trans. So if you are a. Whatever you are assigned at birth will be where you are incarcerated, which is of course incredibly dangerous, especially for trans women, as many of them have transitioned at some level. Maybe they've had breast augmentation, maybe they've had whatever. And now you're putting them into a men's prison where they will be certainly unsafe.

[Sammy Sage]

That's really scary.

[Bea Speer]

So that's very unsafe. Now, that was against the law. But they're saying now, you know, it will be the law, it will be the law. So that's very dangerous. That is one thing we know is going to happen. Okay. The next thing we know that he is going after is the idea that trans people have rights under the 14th Amendment, which is the right to privacy. He is now going to say that no, in fact, you do not have the right to privacy as a trans person.

[Sammy Sage]

If they don't believe in privacy in.

[Bea Speer]

General, if they are able to say that trans people do not have the right to privacy under the 14th Amendment, and they get the Supreme Court to affirm this, that is very difficult for trans people because then you will be able to be discriminated against for employment, for housing, for medical care, for any number of things if you are not afforded 14th amendment rights. So we are not there yet, but this is something that they are preparing for. And we know straight off he is going to potentially remove the idea. A lot of states and federal governments allowed you to get an x Marker on your government documents or to transition on your government documents. We know that potentially, if you've already done that, it might stick, but if you have not done that, it probably will not be afforded to you. Certainly under the Trump administration is not going to allow anybody new to change their gender, gender markers or names.

[Sammy Sage]

But also, if you have that, you are kind of a target.

[Bea Speer]

You're kind of a target. So, again, we are giving you this information to prepare you, not to scare you. But these are the things that they're openly saying are going to happen. If we know them, we can start to prepare for them. So I was talking to some trans elders, and they were saying, we had all these wishes and dreams that kids and young people wouldn't go through the things that we went through. And young people have been afforded the right to transition very publicly and with a lot of support, either from their family or from the community. And the way that we need to support you now is to ask you to be realistic about what you pass as and protect yourself with that. If you are a person who looks like me. Right. I more likely pass as a woman than a man. And I also identify as a woman. So that's where we're going to go. We're going to go back to those she, her pronouns. Girl, you know, and. And I am not saying this as a way to force you to assimilate or do anything. This is just what the community is saying.

[Sammy Sage]

Like, I'll give you an example where it's like, it's not about assimilation. It's about protection. Like, Jews, Jewish people who are religious and will always wear, like, a yarmulke or keep up. They won't wear them, let's say, if they're in Paris, like, they know, like, there are certain places they don't want.

[Bea Speer]

To be a target.

[Sammy Sage]

Right, Right. It's like, it doesn't change who you.

[Bea Speer]

Are, it just changes your safety.

[Sammy Sage]

You're keeping yourself safe. And it's horrible and tragic that this is the situation. Like, this is so not okay, but it is what's happening.

[Bea Speer]

And we've been through this before. Being visibly and outwardly and proudly trans was something that we sort of gained the ability to do, really, in, like, 2013, 2014. Okay.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah.

[Bea Speer]

So we've. A lot of us have lived a long life before where we were ourselves at home or in our public spaces. But when it came to going to work or doing different things, there just were rules that we had to follow to keep ourselves safe. And unfortunately, it does look like that's what this might come up against. Now, I've had a lot of parents say to me, I don't want to kill my child's spirit. They've been. And maybe they're 15, 16, 17, 18. I mean, they're pretty close. And I don't want to kill my child's spirit. And tell them that they have to, you know, detransition or any of these other things.

[Sammy Sage]

And then I say, can you.

[Bea Speer]

At this point, there's a way around. Okay, There's a way around this. And it's the way that we used to deal with it. Right. The Republicans are very comfortable with tomboys. I don't know why, but they remember that very fondly. They're like, back in my day, you weren't trans. You were just a tomboy. You were a little toughy. Right? Okay, so that kind of maybe comes back. And when it comes to, you know, your children who maybe were born male but keep long hair, that can be a religious accommodation.

[Sammy Sage]

I was going to ask your child's.

[Bea Speer]

Hair in a protective style. Do not put your boy hair in a ponytail that some asshole little kid can cut off and traumatize them. Put their hair in a protective style. Whether that's a braid or whether that's, you know, whatever the case may be or what they want to wear when they come home. They need foundational safety. That's what we need to be providing them as the adults who love them in their lives. When you come home, you can be your full, whole self and we will create spaces for you to express yourself. We love you. We see you. When we go to these other places, we have to sort of deal with what's going to protect you and what's going to keep you safe, what's going to keep you alive. And that is unfortunately where we are. The attack on. We know in schools the don't say gay rule will probably now extend to don't say trans. We're not allowed to teach about gender differences and whatnot. And as we can fight this as much as we want, we have to do that in person. A lot of folks are used to being organized online. They are used to creating safe spaces in their discords. They have these really robust connections online that will become less and less safe. Right. The tech bros are on the trump side of things. And as far as, like, online monitoring and creating lists and stuff, we just have to be protective of that in person.

[Sammy Sage]

Is useful to organize what can be done online. That is not risky.

[Bea Speer]

And we can share things like how do you do homemade hrt, Right. How do you see yourself in person when you're not teaching them?

[Sammy Sage]

Is that what we're doing now? But there will be ways to protect.

[Bea Speer]

Yes, there will be ways for us to protect and preserve our culture and our communities. But we cannot be so silly as to assume that we can go about the world the way that we have been, and it's not because we don't deserve to or we're less than. It is about keeping people safe.

[Sammy Sage]

It's tragic that this is now the world that people are going to have to go into. Like, I. What I don't understand is, okay, so if the 14th amendment thing happens, but what about just, like, people walking around in their days, like, on. In February, you know, how are. Before there's legal moves on this or there's laws in place, and it's just sort of like average marginalization?

[Bea Speer]

I think you have to be really realistic about the fact that a second Trump presidency has emboldened racists, homophobes, transphobes, all of that. Like, I was at talk about the Bills game, and there's people with Maga jerseys. Like, this is a personality and something that has made people feel very emboldened to be the worst version of themselves. My grandpa used to say, I don't need you to be first. I don't need you to be last. Run the middle of the pack. Caesar good for me, baby. Caesar, good for me.

[Sammy Sage]

That's an attitude that works.

[Bea Speer]

And when I bring up my grandparents advice, people always laugh, and they're like, that's so cute. My grandparents survived World War II. My family's Albanian. Okay. We came from a very difficult circumstance. Romani assimilation, all of this kind of stuff. So these are things that they didn't say because they didn't love me or they didn't appreciate or know me. They loved and appreciated me and wanted me to stay alive, and they had to do certain things to. To be alive so that I could be here in this space. And that's all we're saying. I'm not saying go back in the closet or whatever. I'm just saying you do have to be realistic about who's in power right now and what we do to protect ourselves.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah. I think it's more like we have been accustomed to a world with freedoms that we. And with freedoms and openness that we maybe took for granted. We want to get back to it. We want to get. We were trying to get back to it. That is the goal, ultimately. But that does not mean you know, I think we do have to kind of understand what a privilege it was and is to be able to express ourselves how openly we want with, you know, without fear of, for our safety. And what we're looking at now is like, it's not about not being proud. It's not about, you know, discriminating against us, wanting to discriminate. It's about protection. And it's horrible. And it's horrible that we are now in a place where survival is the priority and not pride. But it is the last thing that.

[Bea Speer]

We are advocating for people to do is get a passport. I'm not saying, first of all, I'm not leaving this country. My family fought too hard.

[Sammy Sage]

You're not advocating for that.

[Bea Speer]

We are advocating for passports. I don't think every person, every single person does not need to start making a plan to move to Canada. First of all, Canada said they're not going to allow that. All right?

[Sammy Sage]

It's also not better.

[Bea Speer]

It's not better. Okay. And so, but have a passport, have a plan, have your rainy day fund if you can, and recognize that, like, the way that we love our children and we let them be their self might be that they always have foundational safety at home. And we, and we are just being realistic about what that looks like in person. Yes, we're out here. We're going to be out here. We're going to survive it. These are the hard truths of where we're at.

[Sammy Sage]

We're here for you.

[Bea Speer]

Just protect yourself and the people you love and know that, like, we're not giving up the fight. The way we fight has changed.

[Sammy Sage]

And we are going to be here to talk to you.

[Bea Speer]

And we love you.

[Sammy Sage]

We love you. So when we come back from a break, we are going to open the cabinet of crazies and talk about one of the scariest of them all, Stephen Miller.

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[Bea Speer]

All right, it is time now for. For cabinet of crazies. And why is it a cabinet? Because we can't spend a lot of time with them. We're just going to open the cabinet, we're going to look at this oddity and we're going to put that shit back on the shelf.

[Sammy Sage]

You know that book slash movie like the Indian in the Cupboard?

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

That's what this is.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

You know what we're going to do? We're going to do the Cabinet Secretary in the Cupboard.

[Bea Speer]

Here we go.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay, so we want to give you a little background about the people who are going to be key in downtown.

[Bea Speer]

It was like a couple of weeks ago, I was like, oh, Susie Wells is there. Everything's going to be fine. It's not fine. I was wrong.

[Sammy Sage]

Susie Wiles is wonderful at making the trains run on time. The trains to.

[Bea Speer]

She's basically just seems like she's keeping his family away.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, I think she's look like Susie Wiles. Just because she actually like competent and worked for Institutionalist, she's not gonna fix this. Doesn't mean she doesn't want to fix it. She's happy with what's happening. She doesn't care what they're. What they do.

[Bea Speer]

I thought, is Ivanka coming back? And then I saw a TikTok of Trump taking a family picture where he had Elon and his son join the family picture and not Ivanka and her.

[Sammy Sage]

Children I would have nothing to do with.

[Bea Speer]

No. So she will. I don't think Jared will let her look.

[Sammy Sage]

Jared.

[Bea Speer]

Jared's got his own shit.

[Sammy Sage]

No.

[Bea Speer]

And $2 billion from the Saudis.

[Sammy Sage]

They're just, they're just smart enough to be quiet.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

They're the smartest people there.

[Bea Speer]

They will not be in the cabinet. But Stephen Miller is.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay, so Stephen Miller, we. People talk about him. I feel like they know about him and they have a general sense of him. They dislike him. But I don't know if people really know about this man. Do you know? Okay, number one ghoul, he's 39 years old.

[Bea Speer]

Nuh.

[Sammy Sage]

Yes, he is.

[Bea Speer]

No, he's not.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, he is.

[Bea Speer]

He's 39. I thought he was like.

[Sammy Sage]

It's like J.D. vance, who just turned 40.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, my God. How are you so young and so awful already?

[Sammy Sage]

Okay. Everything about say is not even comprehensive. I'm just putting the salient. Most salient pieces in here. Okay. So in the first term, most people. That's why most people know him. He was credited with shaping the immigration policies, the zero tolerance policy, which is family separation, the Muslim ban, and ending daca, which. So in case anyone's unfamiliar with DACA slash dreamers, DACA basically was going to provide a pathway to citizenship for people who were brought here, brought to America as children by their parents. They lived here undocumented. They grew up that, you know, they paid sales tax. They have paid it. You know, they've contributed to the economy.

[Bea Speer]

They speak English. They went to American schools.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, they, you know, and they just are sort of in limbo. And I think, to be honest, the fact, the failure to deal with these people is part of what has sunk the Democrats.

[Bea Speer]

They should have made them citizens.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, well, they tried to. Stephen Miller had a part in making sure that didn't happen. So I want to start by playing a clip from the September debate, because I think this is a really good representation of Stephen Miller and the numbers in Caracas.

[E]

Are you trusting the numbers of the dictatorship?

[F]

I am trusting the fact that Kamala Harris is allowed illegal immigrants into this country who are raping and murdering children.

[E]

I had been very respectful. Why are you.

[F]

Do you know who Jocelyn Nungri is? Do you know who she is?

[E]

Do you know how many people is experiencing violence in Caracas?

[F]

Is she. Who is Lake and Riley?

[E]

Who is yelling again?

[F]

Because I'm yelling because children are being raped and murdered.

[E]

I was just asking for figures and you have not replied to me about those figures.

[Bea Speer]

Murdered.

[F]

Do you know who. Killer Ham.

[E]

Do you trust the numbers of Nicolas Madura in masking again?

[F]

Trust a ruthless dictator will empty his prisons and send their criminals to our country?

[E]

Trust his numbers.

[F]

Yeah, the most dangerous.

[Bea Speer]

That's a lot. How do you get this much hate in your body.

[Sammy Sage]

At 39, he's like a lifelong dyed in the wool xenophobe.

[Bea Speer]

Tell us about him though. Where did he grow up? Like in the deep south or something? Did he come from wildly racist parent? Like, where did this come from?

[Sammy Sage]

No, no. He grew up pretty affluent in Santa Monica, California, to a Jewish family. His. He was only here because his grandparents escaped a pogrom in Belarus in 1903 and came to America as immigrants because he's Jewish. So that's one thing. He and I went different ways in that sense. So his father was, I think, like pretty wealthy. But according to an interview with a biographer that I had read, when Stephen Miller was a child, his dad had gotten. He was a real estate investor. He was kind of similar to Trump. He got tangled up in some legal disputes and bankruptcies tied to his real estate companies. The court documents described his father as a master of evasion and manipulation. As a result of his legal troubles, Stephen Miller had to end up. He had to leave his private school and they had to move to a Santa Monica high school, which is public. A public school is very diverse and large. So they moved to a less affluent part of town. And I think he. That was like really traumatic for him.

[Bea Speer]

Okay, so it wasn't his father's fault. It was every minority ever's fault.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah. So he, he goes to this new school, Santa Monica High School, and he starts allegedly telling his classmates to speak English, to go back to their countries. And he would go to school board meetings and arg. As a student and then argue against measures to like, improve, you know, racial equity in the school. He was doing this before as a student. As a student in 2002, he gave a class speech to his Santa Monica High School class saying, I will say and do things that no one else in their right mind will do. Am I the only one who was sick and tired of being told to pick up my trash when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us?

[Bea Speer]

Oh, no, Stevie.

[Sammy Sage]

He claimed he was being like Colbert style satire. But when you hear about everything else that he did, it really doesn't sound like that.

[Bea Speer]

Look, this is why we gotta get Nick Fuentes ass right now. Nick Fuentes, that white nationalist who said your body, my choice and whatnot? Because he also. I mean, Stephen Miller and Nick Fuentes are the same in the way that they like are weird in high school and super hyper racist in high school. And if we don't get Nick Fuentes locked up for something right now, he's going to turn into the next Stephen Miller.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay, this is. It would be. I would believe that maybe he made that janitor comment as a joke if he didn't also abruptly end a friendship with one of his friends the summer before high school, someone who he had invited to his bar mitzvah the year before.

[Bea Speer]

Wait, but did that friend get a candle?

[Sammy Sage]

I don't know. I don't think so. Maybe all friends get a candle, like, you all get it. And rather than just, like, drift away, it's like, you know, like, oh, we're not friends anymore. Stephen Miller gave him a whole list of reasons that they couldn't be friends anymore. And he, like, reads him a list of his personal flaws. And then one. The only thing that isn't, like, personal is that he's. He can't be friends with him because of his Latino heritage. And when he was 16, he wrote an op ed in the local newspaper about the rampant political correctness that had consumed the high school and the district, lamenting that a number of classmates lacked basic English skills and were. And that there were very few, if any, Latino students in honors classes. That's Latinx to you, Stephen. Despite the number of Hispanic students that defend our school. He also criticized the school for making the morning announcements.

[Bea Speer]

Hey.

[Sammy Sage]

In both English and Spanish. And he was annoyed that people had regrets over how the United States treated the Native Americans.

[Bea Speer]

Okay, look, I think that we need to bring back bullying.

[Sammy Sage]

I think.

[Bea Speer]

I think that for the millennial. For the. No. For the millennial generation, everything was very like, talk it out. Don't use your hands. I got punched in the face by one of the few black girls in our school. Her name was Samaris. And she thought that I wanted to date her boyfriend Sergio. And I was like, I don't. And it was because I was gay. But she. But I wasn't out. And she was like, why? Because he's not good enough for you? Because you're racist. And I also. I just did. I.

[Sammy Sage]

You could have been like, you don't even know.

[Bea Speer]

And she took her earrings out and punched me right in the face. And I laid on the ground because, you know what? At that point, maybe I deserved a good punch in the face. Maybe I was headed down a bad path. But I'll tell you what, if somebody punched Stephen Miller in the face, I wasn't being racist. I was being closeted. But he was being outwardly racist. And I just wish that Samaris would have punched him in the face because it would have set him straight. We need to Bring back punching racists in the face.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay, you know what happened, though? 911 happened when he was in high school.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, too bad. You were in California. I was in Staten island. And I'm not a raging, terrible, anti Islamist person. Like, you're awful. I'm so sick of people who were not there being like, this is my excuse to be super racist. No.

[Sammy Sage]

Oh, you know what he. You know what he did? He said that Osama bin Laden would feel very welcome at Santa Monica High School because. And claimed that teachers gave him low grades because of his conservative political views.

[Bea Speer]

Stephen.

[Sammy Sage]

He also.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, my God, he's such a ghoul.

[Sammy Sage]

There was one incidence of physical violence by Stephen Miller.

[Bea Speer]

Okay, okay.

[Sammy Sage]

When he was in high school, he was part of a California, like, state government club, and he went to, like, go nerd to a mock city council. He went to, like, a mock election thing. Yeah, he was a nerd. He was very. He was interested in politics at a young age. So people. People said at this, like, mock city council election, he was, like, really, really obsessed with winning, and he would, like, use dirty tricks at the mock city council election. But when he was voted out, he threw a tant and flipped over a table, Teresa Giudice style, screaming, you can't do this to me.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, my God. Again. Deal with your daddy issues and get punched in the face.

[Sammy Sage]

Do you want to know what his yearbook quote was?

[Bea Speer]

Oh, God, do I.

[Sammy Sage]

It was a Teddy Roosevelt quote.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, Christ.

[Sammy Sage]

There can be no 50 50Americanism in this country. There is room here for only 100% Americanism, only for those who are American and nothing else. Who knew Teddy Roosevelt was, like, so much.

[Bea Speer]

I just. But, like, what is American about this level of hate, Steven? Also, what is America like? It's not like you're connected to the founding father's brother, okay?

[Sammy Sage]

Oh, no, he's not.

[Bea Speer]

No.

[Sammy Sage]

He's connected to Belarusian.

[Bea Speer]

So, like, so, you know, I'm questioning your Americanism.

[Sammy Sage]

Do you think that? I mean, my question is, like, how much damage do you need to have?

[Bea Speer]

Does he have siblings or is he an only child?

[Sammy Sage]

He's a brother.

[Bea Speer]

He has a brother.

[Sammy Sage]

So he got a private school after him.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, my God. He needed a sister. Sisters will set you straight. But also the fact that he was, like, in and then out, then his brother had a better life than him. Like, you need to go to therapy and you need to relax.

[Sammy Sage]

He's not gonna go to therapy.

[Bea Speer]

No.

[Sammy Sage]

Do you know why he actually became, like, prominent?

[Bea Speer]

No.

[Sammy Sage]

And how he ended up getting big? Do you remember the 2006 Duke lacrosse scandal?

[Bea Speer]

Bigly.

[Sammy Sage]

That was the incident that brought him to prominence.

[Bea Speer]

Okay, tell me how.

[Sammy Sage]

Okay, so basically in 2006 there was. This is the short story.

[Bea Speer]

You gotta be young though, then.

[Sammy Sage]

So he was in College in 2006 at Duke. So the scandal revolved around there was an accusation by a stripper who had been hired by the Duke lacrosse team who said that three of the players had raped her.

[Bea Speer]

Jesus.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, There was like a racial component to the story that Stephen Miller was fixated on because the lacrosse players had apparently requested white strippers. They got strippers who weren't white and they like allegedly yelled slurs at them. So the stripper accuses them of rape before an investigation could take place. This gets really public. So like the accusation and people are assuming that they were guilty.

[Bea Speer]

Sure.

[Sammy Sage]

Stephen Miller becomes the lone defender of these lacrosse players and is saying. And is like writing about it in the student paper all the time. And he basically made it about like, like the liberal campus believing the black stripper over the white players and not about like the stripper being the woman being bullied over the men.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah, he made it a race thing over a gender thing.

[Sammy Sage]

Yes. Because there was a racial component to the story where like they had.

[Bea Speer]

The racial component was these assholes were disappointed that they didn't have a white stripper.

[Sammy Sage]

Yes, yes. And they were yelling and they had ordered, quote, unquote, white strippers.

[Bea Speer]

Ordered. Order. Oh my God. I'm gonna.

[Sammy Sage]

That's who they called up for it.

[Bea Speer]

Just pushed my throw up button. Ordered.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, that's who they had called up for. And then the accusations actually turned out to not be true by DNA evidence. So this was great for Stephen Miller because he had just been blindly defending them.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, okay.

[Sammy Sage]

So he feels like really vindicated by this. And this like brings his worldviews into place and he write in his last column for Duke on this incident. He writes for many a Duke. The last year offered a horrifying tutorial in the moral bankruptcy of the left's politically correct orthodoxy and the corruption of our culture at its hands. Three of our peers faced a devastating year long persecution because they were white and their accuser black. Yeah. So also while he was at Duke, he started working with far right hate groups and he crossed paths with Richard Spencer. You know who that is, while he was there?

[Bea Speer]

The Nazi that did get punched in the face.

[Sammy Sage]

Look at it.

[Bea Speer]

It all comes. And do you hear about Richard Spencer anymore? No.

[Sammy Sage]

Richard Spencer noticed Stephen Miller because of his writings and he was already a PhD candidate at Duke at the time. So they like crossed paths later on. Stephen Miller like disowns him early in the first administration because he didn't want to be associated with him. So I guess maybe your point is.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah, he got punched in the face.

[Sammy Sage]

Got punched in the face. And then also he started working with these far rightrs while he was there, according to the Southern Poverty Law center, who accused him of that specifically with the David Horowitz Freedom center, which is considered an anti Muslim hate group. And he organized events such as Islamo Fascist Awareness Week and terrorism.

[C]

What?

[Bea Speer]

Yeah. Duke, go to a party. Go to a party. Friend.

[Sammy Sage]

Right, right. Have a friend.

[Bea Speer]

First of all, Duke is in what, it's in Chapel Hill, North Carolina area. Durham.

[Sammy Sage]

Yep.

[Bea Speer]

Raleigh's right there, babe. You know what I mean? There's so much fun. Great stuff.

[Sammy Sage]

He doesn't want to have fun.

[Bea Speer]

Asheville, go on the zip line.

[Sammy Sage]

He doesn't want to have fun.

[Bea Speer]

North Carolina is a beautiful state.

[Sammy Sage]

He does not want to have fun. He wants to start terrorism Awareness Project.

[Bea Speer]

The terrorism a nerd.

[Sammy Sage]

No, this is like what he did. He was like, I'm going to bring like lecturers here to talk about political correctness and why it's bad. And look like he's, look, talk about this man. He's consistent.

[Bea Speer]

This is nuts.

[Sammy Sage]

So after that he goes to work for Michele Bachman.

[Bea Speer]

Oh my God.

[Sammy Sage]

And then remember her? Oh yeah. She was like, she ran Canary Coleman. You know, he's in D.C. and this is when he now gets into D.C. and he's basically risen from there.

[Bea Speer]

Then Bachmann was on the short list to be Romney's vice president before they went with Paul Reagan. Right.

[Sammy Sage]

And then she said something weird.

[Bea Speer]

She. Well, this is where we say that it's more likely we'll have a Republican female president than a Democratic female president someday. Because they will put a woman out there, Margaret Thatcher style to sort of soften iron fisted policies. And so Michelle Bachmann was going to be Romney's, but you know, Mormons can't be alone with women.

[Sammy Sage]

Well, you look at Trump's cabinet, pretty diverse by DEI standards.

[Bea Speer]

There's a lot of women in there.

[Sammy Sage]

The press secretary is a 27 year old woman.

[Bea Speer]

Let's do a profile.

[Sammy Sage]

I don't really know her.

[Bea Speer]

Maybe she'll come on the show.

[Sammy Sage]

We should like. I would. I want to speak to people who are not just people who are going to blow smoke up our asses about things we already agree with. That is not the point of this. Right the next thing he does is he goes to work for Jeff Sessions. Beauregard Sessions. I do not recall Mr. Muller.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

And when he was working for him, when he was the Alabama senator before he became the attorney general who was then fired by Donald Trump, Sessions worked with Stephen Miller to almost single handedly kill the 2013 bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have saved the dreamers and given them a path to citizenship. So it's not like he wants. That was 11 million people who that affected. He was hateful, so it's not like.

[Bea Speer]

He wants them to be right.

[Sammy Sage]

Like he was this hateful when he was in high school.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

This is a person who has a chip the size of the Hershey's factory on his shoulder.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah, he's big. He's. Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

In his first term he was the, he was the engineer of the family separation policy. I think that deserves its own episode.

[Bea Speer]

Cruelty is the point.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah. And a White House advisor told Vanity Fair during the first term that Steven actually enjoys seeing those pictures at the border.

[Bea Speer]

I bet he does.

[Sammy Sage]

He doesn't even want the like people to have a legal path. He just wants white people.

[Bea Speer]

But you know, they don't even speak to white people. And only for him to be at the top of that heap, which is. Is he married or anything?

[Sammy Sage]

Yes, he's married to. He got married during the first term to a woman who also worked in the administration named Katie Waldman. And she is adorable. And I have a theory, and my theory is that people assume that good looking couples are happier. And that's what I have to say about Stephen Milner and his wife. In 2012 she was. Okay. At the University of Florida, she was active in the student government's unite party. In 2012, she was involved in a scandal where she was caught destroying hundreds of copies of the school's newspaper after it endorsed an opposing student government candidate. These two are close.

[Bea Speer]

Wow. Okay. Destroying evidence.

[Sammy Sage]

She was Mike Pence's press secretary. So it seems like they're.

[Bea Speer]

They're like, Mike Pence, where's he in the world now?

[Sammy Sage]

Probably he should move abroad.

[Bea Speer]

He's in danger. Boo.

[Sammy Sage]

No, I think, I think they, they're going to trot him out as like.

[Bea Speer]

A, like a puppet, like a gimp. They're going to be like, look at us.

[Sammy Sage]

Yeah, I think they will.

[Bea Speer]

The hate is outrageous. It does build community. Apparently it's a lot easier to get people to hate the same thing than to like the same thing. And I just.

[Sammy Sage]

They had a fair mid family separation. Like, could you Imagine bonding over separating immigrant children from their parents.

[Bea Speer]

No. And I bring it up again. I think the Republicans have weird sadist kinks. Yeah. They have humiliation kinks, certainly. I mean, the humiliation of RFK Jr. Has only just begun.

[Sammy Sage]

They got married at the Trump Hotel, of course.

[Bea Speer]

Do you think Trump's gonna move to the White House? I don't think he's gonna. He doesn't. Well, the only reason he moved to the White House the first time is because he had that hotel when he owned the old post office, and that was his hotel, and he could kind of like. He made it like his own. But.

[Sammy Sage]

But if I were him, I wouldn't move to the White House.

[Bea Speer]

I don't see him moving to the White House. I think he'll do it from, like, Mar A Lago. Melania sure as hell is not moving back to the White House. She hated it there.

[Sammy Sage]

I don't think they should move. If I were him, I would not.

[Bea Speer]

Why would be the point. Yeah, he doesn't like, if I were.

[Sammy Sage]

President, I wouldn't move to the White House.

[Bea Speer]

I know.

[Sammy Sage]

Same White House.

[Bea Speer]

What did he say? It's a dump. Remember when he first moved there and he called it a dump?

[Sammy Sage]

Look, it's old. We need a new construction.

[Bea Speer]

I know.

[Sammy Sage]

Look, we need some. We need a flip.

[Bea Speer]

They flip the White House, they can think. Oh, God, no. Last time she did, she redid a lot of the carpeting and stuff in the White House. Melania did. She redid a lot of the White House, actually, and people were not happy with it. She redid the Rose Garden, the Christmas. The thing that a lot of folks don't understand about the White House and the First Family is you actually do have to be rich to be the president, because a lot of the stuff you do is on your own dime. Things like if you get china, silver, glass, you have to buy that. Like, when people have their own china pattern. I'm so interested to see what he's going to do for the dinner.

[Sammy Sage]

Why do you have to buy your own?

[Bea Speer]

You do. Because the American taxpayers don't support, like, a lot of the frivolous things. So all the social parties, a lot of that comes off the. The First Family's dime. A lot of the stuff the First Lady's office does is very small budget. And then they do the rest. Things like the rose garden, the way that they transformed the backyard to be commander's dog spot for Biden. He had to pay for that.

[Sammy Sage]

That makes sense.

[Bea Speer]

But when. When they do state dinners, typically in Your second term, if it's necessary or if you want to, you can buy to have your own, like, like, personalized china.

[Sammy Sage]

Why wouldn't you get in your first term?

[Bea Speer]

Because it's like, there's not enough time. So it's typically something. If they know they're going to get a second term, they'll like, invest in it for their second state.

[Sammy Sage]

Oh, Biden didn't get one.

[Bea Speer]

No, Biden did not get. Did not get his own china.

[Sammy Sage]

I would get my own china.

[Bea Speer]

When I would do it, the first thing I did, it'd be the first thing I did.

[Sammy Sage]

That's why I'm not the president.

[Bea Speer]

For Trump's, I. Oh, we should do like an episode on all the social stuff of the White House, because people would like that. I think it's so interesting. Let me give you this. Tea for Trump's first state dinner, his inaugural dinner, use the Clinton china. Why does he just beat Hillary Clinton?

[Sammy Sage]

Why did. Wait, why isn't the china. Why didn't they keep their china?

[Bea Speer]

Well, they keep sets of it so you could have it on the Abraham Lincoln china. You could have it on the. All these different. There's all these different sets of china that you can host dinners on as, like, a historical fun thing.

[Sammy Sage]

Does Trump have China?

[Bea Speer]

He does. Not yet. So the first dinner, he ate off of the Clinton's china, which is all gold. Very pretty. And I'm gonna tell you, at this state dinner, you watch him eat off of Obama's china.

[Sammy Sage]

Why is that insulting?

[Bea Speer]

Because it's like, why not do it off the Reagan china? Why not do it off anybody else's? It's like when he did it off the Clinton china, it's like he was eating Hillary. It was like he was eating Hillary's lunch. This should have been hers, and now it's mine. I'm gonna bet you that he uses the Obama china this time. We'll see.

[Sammy Sage]

I hope that's the worst thing they do.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah.

[Sammy Sage]

The biggest offense they commit, it's all.

[Bea Speer]

These little shitty things.

[Sammy Sage]

I mean, the China's there.

[Bea Speer]

I know, but Biden could take it. It's.

[Sammy Sage]

He could be like, this is mine.

[Bea Speer]

No, he can't. He can't. It's like. Of the White Houses. But the thing is, like, everything you do has a reason. That's why when I said when Jill wore red to the polls, I thought that that was not un. On purpose.

[Sammy Sage]

One thing I did think was interesting that we learned when we went to the Correspondence center is that the ambassadors actually have to like pay for their own ambassadorship. Like they pay for all their parties.

[Bea Speer]

Million dollars a year to be the ambassador to France.

[Sammy Sage]

Who has that. Who has $4 million to just be the ambassador. Like you're running your own.

[Bea Speer]

Yep. Your own house, your own staff, all your travel.

[Sammy Sage]

You are like a royal for four years now.

[Bea Speer]

Some of the, some of the, like, less fun ambassadorships do have a stipend that come with them. Like if you're the ambassador to, I think like more war torn or difficult countries where we're actually trying to like build diplomatic relations, you get a little stipend because you're working. But if it's actually France or like somewhere super fun, you have to pay yourself.

[Sammy Sage]

Well, it's like a fun job. That's the only reason. What if you can't afford it, you.

[Bea Speer]

Don'T get to be it.

[Sammy Sage]

So you have.

[Bea Speer]

So you have to say that you can financially, like, do it.

[Sammy Sage]

And this is why people think it's very elite. That's why there's populism. Because people. How are you supposed to be an ambassador under conditions like this? This isn't fair.

[Bea Speer]

I know.

[Sammy Sage]

I want to be the ambassador, not that the French.

[Bea Speer]

Like, where would you be an ambassador to?

[Sammy Sage]

Oh, Italy. Oh, yeah, Italy for sure.

[Bea Speer]

Somewhere that's we're good.

[Sammy Sage]

Somewhere where it's like we're not.

[Bea Speer]

Like, I fear that I would fall into corruption because I was such a party girl. Right. Like, I'd want to be the ambassador to like Albania and then I'd like accidentally be in the mafia again.

[Sammy Sage]

You know what? You know what I would do? I would do Portugal.

[Bea Speer]

Oh, see, that'd be fun.

[Sammy Sage]

Nothing.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah, it would be nice.

[Sammy Sage]

Problems with Portugal?

[Bea Speer]

No, it's a great place.

[Sammy Sage]

Gorgeous.

[Bea Speer]

Gorgeous.

[Sammy Sage]

Your quick hop over.

[Bea Speer]

I would be, I'd be. I. This is why I can't be an ambassador. Because I would be like, I'd be like, well, I'm just punching people in the face. I'd be punching them in the face. I'd be decked out in all the gold jewelry on the beaches of Albania. I'd be right.

[Sammy Sage]

Gifts as an ambassador. So you have to pay $4 million and you can't even get any gifts?

[Bea Speer]

Nope.

[Sammy Sage]

Crazy. Nope. Well, I guess I won't be being that. Who knows if we're even gonna have ambassadors.

[Bea Speer]

Well, he doesn't staff, so. Yeah, I mean, that's going to be some of the issues with the Trump administration as well, is like, we're going to open the Cabinet of Curiosities. We're going to tell you about the people that are there, give you the background, because I think it's important to like, know the origin stories of villains so that we can like best address them.

[Sammy Sage]

Well, that's the villain origin story.

[Bea Speer]

Stephen Miller, he, he didn't staff a lot last time because he thinks and with this new Doge. First of all, Doge is not real. The Elon Vivec department is not real. They have no power. They can advise. They have no power.

[Sammy Sage]

It's gonna be, it's gonna do something, though.

[Bea Speer]

It's gonna be annoying.

[Sammy Sage]

It will do something. But last time I describe it as the flagship sports. I describe Doge as the flagship store of the patroness shop that is this administration.

[Bea Speer]

Yes, very true. Well, he didn't staff a lot of things, like the Bureau of Indian Affairs. He didn't staff last night.

[Sammy Sage]

He doesn't believe that there are any. But we will keep you updated on everything that happens in the Trump administration. All the new appointments, all the new plans that they have. Moving very quickly.

[Bea Speer]

Yeah, because we don't sleep. We just, we will scroll. We'll eat the news for you and then spit it back in bite sized segments like a baby bird with jokes.

[Sammy Sage]

So that is it for this week, folks. Next week we have a special episode with one of my faves, Jared Freed.

[Bea Speer]

I love him.

[Sammy Sage]

One half of the Betches you up podcast. He'll be here on Tuesday and then there will be no new episode on Thanksgiving. So enjoy your turkey or your tofurkey or whatever else you're having.

[Bea Speer]

Some people have ham. Can you believe that?

[Sammy Sage]

Well, how would you. So I can't.

[Bea Speer]

I know. Tell us about your weird Thanksgiving tradition. Send us emails. We love your emails. Make sure you're watching the Thanksgiving Day parade, doing all those fun tradition things while we still have them.

[Sammy Sage]

I want to know what people's traditions are. My traditions are to make a draw a hand turkey with a paper.

[Bea Speer]

Mine is to fight my sister for like, like who can eat the most deviled eggs.

[Sammy Sage]

Good competition.

[Bea Speer]

White people stuff. White people stuff? Yeah, it's literally just, I mean, it's white people deviled eggs. We're talking about cutting them in half, mashing up the yellows with some mayonnaise, salt and pepper and calling it a day.

[Sammy Sage]

What does not white people deviled eggs.

[Bea Speer]

What's like, I don't know, seasoning. Anyway, enjoy your Thanksgiving, whatever traditions it may bring you. And we will see you next week. Bye.

[Sammy Sage]

American Fever Dream is produced and edited by Samantha Gatzick Social media by Candice Menega and Bridget Schwartz. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and TikTok etchesnews. And follow me Sammy Sage at sammy and the nderthedesknews. And of course, send us your emails to americanfever dreamches.com betches.