Idaho Murders: Why It Took Hours to Call 911 Pt. 2

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Podcast Summary:

America's Most Infamous Crimes with Katie Ring
Episode: The Idaho Murders: Why It Took Hours to Call 911 Pt. 2
Host: Katie Ring
Date: April 8, 2026

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Overview of Episode Theme

This episode continues the deep dive into the 2022 Idaho student murders, focusing on the harrowing events inside the King Road house, the delayed 911 call, the immediate investigation at the crime scene, and the trail of evidence that led to a suspect. Katie Ring, with her signature balance of empathy and forensic detail, unpacks why the case is so haunting and how it both rattled and challenged American perceptions of safety and criminal investigations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Night of the Murders and Immediate Aftermath

• The Intrusion and Survivor Experience

  • At approximately 4 am, a masked intruder entered 1122 King Road through an unlocked sliding door ([02:33]). Dylan Mortensen, a roommate, saw the masked man pass her in the dark.
  • Dylan and Bethany Funk, both intoxicated and in shock, didn't call 911 immediately. Instead, they called friends at about 11 am the next morning, and a friend named Hunter discovered the bodies ([02:33-05:20]).
  • The delay is explained as a combination of fear, confusion, and youthful inexperience:

    "They were two young 19-year-old college kids living in a party neighborhood known for getting noise violations...add shock in there and it's not the best mixture for clarity."
    — Katie Ring ([03:40])

• Discovery and Initial Police Response

  • Officer Mitch Nunez arrived, expecting a medical emergency, but found the bodies of Zanna Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, quickly realizing the violent nature of their deaths ([04:53]).
  • Upstairs, Maddie Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were found, both covered in blood, under a pink blanket.

Crime Scene Investigation & Victim Details

• Graphic Details and Suffering

  • Investigators found clear evidence of a brutal attack, especially defensive wounds suggesting Zanna fought back. Maddie and Kaylee were killed together in bed ([05:40-07:00]).
  • Kaylee's injuries were so severe she was nearly unrecognizable.
  • Officer Nunez and Sergeant Gunderson worked to avoid contamination, securing the victims’ bodies and Kaylee’s unharmed dog ([06:08]).

• Family Notification Failure

  • Family members were not contacted directly by police; instead, families learned via a university campus alert or friends ([11:08-12:40]).

    "The confusion lasted until late afternoon when the police finally confirmed it and broke the news that no parent ever wants to hear."
    — Katie Ring ([12:32])

Key Evidence Discovered

• The Knife Sheath

  • A leather sheath with a Marine Corps insignia was found on Maddie's bed, likely belonging to a K-bar combat knife ([13:35-15:30]).
  • Though the sheath was new and traceable, records of sales in the area did not match any purchases; it probably was bought online, making tracking difficult but potentially offering fingerprints/DNA.

• Shoe Print & Surveillance Footage

  • Investigators found a Vans shoe print outside Dylan’s bedroom ([16:10]).
  • Crucially, security footage showed a white Hyundai Elantra circling the house and leaving at 4:20 am—a major breakthrough ([16:48]).

Investigative Theories and Motives

• Victimology and Motive

  • All victims were involved in Greek life; with recent suspensions in their sororities/fraternities, investigators considered possible motives tied to hazing/drugs/alcohol ([17:41]).
  • Surveillance eliminated local suspects—including an Uber driver, a food truck customer, and a DoorDash driver ([17:41-18:20]).
  • The FBI determined the suspect car was a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra, tracked to Pullman, Washington ([19:25-21:00]).

• Identification of the Suspect—Brian Kohberger

  • A 28-year-old PhD criminology student at Washington State University, Kohberger matched the vehicle and description (notable bushy eyebrows per Dylan’s account) ([21:25]).

Expert Analysis on Injuries and Motive

• Detailed Autopsy Findings

  • The episode goes “off the record” with forensic insights on the extent of the victims’ wounds ([22:02-25:25]):
    • Kaylee: Over 35 wounds, facial injuries, signs of strangulation, BAC 0.107
    • Madison: Over 25 wounds, including internal organ injuries, BAC 0.282
    • Zanna: Over 60 wounds, extensive defensive wounds, BAC 0.229
    • Ethan: 17 wounds, massive blood loss, BAC 0.122
  • The sheer number and distribution of stab wounds, plus the presence of peakerism (sexual gratification via stabbing) are discussed as possible indicators of a sexualized rage-motive ([23:15-24:46]).

    "Seeing that her hand got cut all the way to the bone, that's how much she fought back..."
    — Katie Ring ([24:46]) "About 150 or even more stab wounds in 15 to 20 minutes."
    — Crime Analyst ([25:25])

• Host and Analyst Theories

  • Katie and the show’s crime analyst discuss the likelihood that Kaylee was the primary target, due to the escalation of violence and unique injuries ([25:39]):

    "I do think it was sexually motivated and I think it was sexually motivated towards Kaylee. I think Kaylee was the intended victim."
    — Crime Analyst ([25:39])

  • They dismiss rumors about there being two weapons, explaining the K-bar’s construction allows for both stabbing and blunt force ([26:38-26:48]).
  • The emotional impact and frustration over communication failures and the lack of a death penalty option are voiced, noting that families learned of the tragedy via campus alerts, not direct contact ([27:36]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This wasn't just a brutal quadruple homicide. It exposed how vulnerable we really are, even in the places that feel safest." — Katie Ring ([00:09])

• "He was a 28-year-old white male studying for a PhD in criminology at WSU...and from the picture they could see he clearly had bushy eyebrows, just like Dylan had described. And best of all, they had a name. Brian Kohberger." — Katie Ring ([21:25])

• "The confusion lasted until late afternoon when the police finally confirmed it and broke the news that no parent ever wants to hear." — Katie Ring ([12:32])

• "About 150 or even more stab wounds in 15 to 20 minutes." — Crime Analyst ([25:25])

• "Seeing these autopsies and the drawings of where these stab wounds hit and how just the sheer amount really speaks to the rage...I'm surprised the death penalty was taken off the table here because it's really disturbing how insane this was." — Crime Analyst ([27:07])

• "I personally think that this was just an insane amount of adrenaline...the fact that she [Kaylee] was the only one who was strangulated kind of shows that." — Crime Analyst ([25:39])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:33 | Description of how the murders unfolded, survivors’ actions | | 04:53 | Officer Nunez’s discovery of the crime scene | | 11:08 | Family members learn about the tragedy and initial confusion | | 13:35 | Discovery of knife sheath—first key physical clue | | 16:48 | Security footage reveals white Hyundai Elantra; new lead | | 19:25 | Suspect car traced to Pullman, identification of Kohberger | | 22:02 | “Off the record” autopsy and injury analysis | | 25:39 | Speculations on the motive and discussion of suspects/weapons | | 27:07 | Reflections on brutality, rage, and death penalty debate |

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Episode Tone and Approach

Katie Ring’s delivery is both empathetic and meticulous, alternating between storytelling, forensic analysis, and critical commentary. The show deals with extremely graphic content, never shying away from hard facts, but maintains respect for the victims and their families.

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For Listeners

This summary captures the second part of a multi-episode special on the Idaho Murders—a national tragedy that shook perceptions of safety in America’s college towns. The episode covers key evidence, emotional fallout, forensic revelations, and the emerging suspect analysis with clarity and depth, providing a gripping and informative listening experience for true crime and justice enthusiasts.

For full context and upcoming legal analysis, tune in to the next episode.

Transcript

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At 4am on November 13, 2022, a masked man slipped through an unlocked sliding door. One roommate heard crying and a voice saying, it's okay, I'm going to help you. She even saw him walk past her in the dark. So how did the killer get in? And why did he leave witnesses alive? Because this wasn't just a brutal quadruple homicide. It exposed how vulnerable we really are, even in the places that feel safest. Today we go inside the house at King Road, examine the evidence that cracked the case, and unpack how the 2022 Idaho murders became one of the most haunting crimes of our generation. Every crime tells a story about the people involved, the system that tried to stop, and the nation that couldn't look away. Some cases are so shocking, so deeply woven into who we are, that decades later, we're still asking, how did this happen? I'm Katie Ring and this is America's Most Infamous Crimes. Every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, I'll take you deep into cases that have a lasting imprint on society and still haunt us today. I want to thank you for being part of our Crime House community. Please rate, review and follow America's Most Infamous Crimes wherever you get your podcasts and to get all episodes at once ad free. Subscribe to Crime House plus on Apple Podcasts.

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Around 4am on November 13, 2022, an intruder silently slipped into the house at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho. Dylan Mortensen got woken up by some kind of commotion, and when she peaked her head out of her room, she saw a man wearing a mask walk Right past her and out of the house. Dylan could only see the eyes and the distinctive bushy eyebrows, but she knew she hadn't ever seen him before. When Dylan told her housemate, Bethany Funk what she'd seen, both girls were terrified. Especially when their other housemates, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalez and Zanna Kernodle, and Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, didn't answer their phones. Around 11am the next morning, Dylan and Bethany called their friends Hunter, Emily and Josie. The girls waited outside while Hunter went in to look around. And he quickly found Zanna and Ethan's dead bodies in Zanna's room. When he came back out, he said to call 911, although to avoid making the situation worse, he only said he'd found someone unconscious. But they were all about to find out just how bad it really was. One of the biggest questions about this case is why Dylan and Bethany waited so long to call 911. And while it might not make sense to most people, you have to remember the situation they were in. They were two young 19 year old college kids living in a party neighborhood known for getting noise violations, and they had just gotten back from a night of drinking. Both of them were at least intoxicated, so already not in the best headspace. And Dylan already knew that she would constantly overreact to anything that would slightly scare her. Add shock in there and it's not the best mixture for clarity. I can't even imagine trying to wrap my head around something this awful. And they were about to find out it went beyond their worst nightmares. Right around noon on the 13th, within minutes of receiving the 911 call, officers from the Moscow Police Department arrived on scene. One of them was 22 year old Mitch Nunez. He'd only been on the force for a year or so and he had no idea what he was getting into. Because of the language in the 911 call, Officer Nunez was under the impression that someone inside was passed out. Maybe they'd needed CPR or a defibrillator. But when Hunter took him inside Tizana's room, he realized what he was really dealing with. There was blood everywhere. Nunez could immediately tell that this wasn't just an overdose or a medical event. He could tell that Zanna and Ethan had been repeatedly stabbed. Zanna was on the floor while Ethan was in the bed, still partially covered by a blanket, which made Nunez think he'd been stabbed in his sleep. The moment he saw this, Nunez knew he needed backup. So he radioed for all available detectives to respond to 1122 King Road immediately. Then he went upstairs to check on Maddie and Kaylee. And the second he got up there, his heart sank. Maddie's bedroom door was cracked open and Nunez could see her and Kaylee were covered in blood, just like Zanna and Ethan. When he got closer, he noticed that Kaylee and Maddie were both lying under a pink blanket. It was clear to him that they'd had no idea what was coming. Nunez was also pretty sure that the same person attacked all four students since Kaylee and Maddie's wounds were similar to Zanna and Ethan's. And a warning. What I'm going to describe is pretty graphic. There was a large gash on the right side of Maddy's face and visible knife wounds on her forearm and hands. The injuries to Kaylee's face were so severe it was hard to recognize her. Thankfully, backup arrived extremely quickly and one of the senior officers named Sergeant Shane Gunderson took the lead. The first thing he did was make sure that the crime scene wasn't contaminated by having Kaylee's dog Murphy, who hadn't been hurt, taken to the local humane society so her ex boyfriend could pick him up. Meanwhile, Sergeant Gunderson and his team took a closer look at the victims. They started in Zanna's bedroom on the northwest side of the second floor. Here's what they observed. There was blood smeared on the floor and splattered all over the walls, including a portion of the wall above Zanna's body. She was in her underwear and a gray shirt, both of which were covered in blood. Her face and body were caked and dried blood. And there were defensive wounds on her hands, including a deep gash on her left hand between her pointer finger and thumb. Later, the medical examiner would identify over 50, 50 stab wounds to Zanna's body, including fatal lacerations to her heart and one to her right lung. She mostly sustained defensive wounds on her hands, arms and face. The investigators could tell that Zanna had put up a fight, and based on how close her body was to the bedroom door, it looked like she had been attacked in that spot and had tried to fight off her assailant before succumbing to her injuries. Which would mean that the attacker then moved on to Ethan, who was asleep in bed. Gunderson's team found Ethan lying on his back on a blood soaked mattress with stab wounds on the back of his legs and under his left clavicle, which severed the subclavian vein. According to the medical examiner, his jugular vein had also been severed, which would explain Ethan's extreme level of blood loss. It was so bad that the investigators noticed that Ethan's blood had seeped outside through the wall of the house. It was clear that whoever killed them was violent, sadistic, and full of rage. And then Sergeant Gunderson went upstairs to examine Maddie and Kaylee, and he saw just how heartbreaking this crime really was. Both victims had suffered multiple stab wounds, and it was clear that the two young women had been brutally murdered in their bed. By this point, Sergeant Gunderson could barely process everything he was seeing. But when he got a closer look at everything Kaylee went through, he realized the extent of the horror. Gunderson noted that Kaylee's facial structure was, quote, extremely damaged, which was in line with Officer Nunez's observation that she was unrecognizable. The ME Would also find two subdural bleeds, which is bleeding in the brain. Not only that, but Caylee was the only victim whose wounds showed signs of strangulation. It was clear that the Moscow Police Department had their work cut out for them, and they weren't afraid to admit it. They'd never dealt with a crime scene this sudden and violent. But they did know how important it was to keep the details of this investigation under wraps, because the killer was still out there. And if too much information got out, it might help them cover their tracks. Although they were communicating with officials from the University of Idaho about what happened, the university didn't realize that they needed to keep everything quiet on their end. And they sent out a campus safety alert informing all students that there had been a quadruple homicide on King Road. And that's how the victim's friends and their families learned what really happened. The guy Dylan saw the night before wasn't a prankster or some sketchy, random person. It was a killer. Her friend's killer. And before the day was over, the police would discover a crucial piece of evidence.

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Once the campus alert went out about the murders at 1122 King Road, it was up to Dylan, Bethany and their friends to break the news to the victims families. They called Ethan's fellow triplets, Hunter and Mazy, to tell them that the campus safety alert was about their brother Ethan was dead. Hunter and Maisie then called their mom. They were so upset she couldn't really understand them, but she knew she had to get to them. The news also reached Zanna's sister Jasmine, who went to Washington State University just 10 miles away. She called their dad, but she couldn't break the news to him over the phone, so she just told him to go to Moscow. And he did. Up in northern Idaho, Kaylee and Maddy's families were both starting to get concerning messages from the girl's friends, but no one could get a hold of Kaylee or Maddie. So far, all anyone knew for sure was that Zanna and Ethan were dead. Kaylee's parents called Maddie's mom to see if they knew what was going on. She said she was already on her way to campus and promised to bring both girls home once she found them. The confusion lasted until late afternoon when the police finally confirmed it and broke the news that no parent ever wants to hear. Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan, and Zanna were never coming home. Meanwhile, the police started bringing people down to the station to give statements, including the surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funk. Bethany didn't have much to add other than what Dylan had told her that she'd seen the night before. And on top of those details, Dylan also shared the weird interactions Kaylee had in the weeks leading up to the murders. Like the guy she saw watching her while she was walking her dog and when she'd been followed around the grocery store about a week after that. Dylan also described the day they all came home to find their front door wide open and the washing machine turned on. It was starting to seem like the killer stalked the victims before the night of the attack. And since most of the victims were young women, investigators thought the killings might have been sexually motivated. That question would become a little more complicated when the medical examiner told them that none of the victims showed signs of sexual assault. But that didn't necessarily mean the crimes weren't sexually motivated. Based on the nature of the victim's injuries, the M.E. could tell that the killer used a non serrated, single edged, very sharp weapon. In other words, a knife. Not only that, but the killer used a lot of force while stabbing the victims. According to some criminologists, this kind of stabbing indicates a sexual motive. It's something known as peakerism, which is a sexual fetish where someone is aroused by penetrating the skin with a sharp object. As a killing method, picarism is often a substitute for sexual assault. Others thought that the crime could have been originally sexually motivated. But that intentions changed when he found Maddy and Kaylee together. And the rage of his original plan not working out, took over. It was definitely a compelling idea. But before the police could be sure about this theory or any others, they needed to collect more evidence. And around 4pm on the 13th, they found something quiet crucial. Back at the house on King Road, even more backup had arrived, including Corporal Brett Payne from the Moscow Police Department. He helped secure and inspect the crime scene and found evidence that nobody had noticed yet. On the bed in Matty's room, Payne found a leather knife sheath with a Marine Corps insignia on it. It was for a special type of knife called a K bar, which became the Marine's official knife during World War II. Now, Ka Bar knives aren't an actual brand, although there is currently a company called Ka Bar Knives, Inc. Which manufactures them. But over the decades, a lot of different companies have made Ka Bar knives, and their purpose is specifically for combat. They're advertised as self defense alternatives to guns. One of the other officers on the scene was Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilberson, who was a Marine Corps veteran. So he knew a lot about K bars, including that they had a reputation for their tips breaking off during combat. So he wondered if maybe a piece had broken off when Matty and Kaylee were attacked, which could help them get more information on the knife, maybe even what specific model was used. Unfortunately, it seemed like the knife had stayed intact. But the leather sheath looked pretty new. And even though it had the Marine Corps logo on it, anyone can buy a sheath like that. So the police tracked down all the K Bar knives that had been sold in the area recently, and none of them were a match. Which meant the killer had probably bought the knife online. And that would make it basically impossible to track down. But the sheath was still valuable evidence, since it could have fingerprints or DNA on it. So they sent it to the Idaho crime lab for testing. And in the meantime, they started tracking down other leads. Investigators also found a partially visible shoe print outside of Dylan's bedroom door. It had repeated diamond shapes, which is pretty typical with the sole of a van's brand shoe. The print was directly in the path Dylan had described the intruder taking as he left the house. So it was most likely the suspect's footprint. It was another promising piece of evidence. But it still wasn't enough to point them in the right direction. What they really needed was a sense of the killer's movements. So detectives started combing through footage from ring cameras around the neighborhood. And that's when they found something chilling. A video of a white Hyundai Elantra circling King Road multiple times in the early morning hours of November 13. Then, at around 4:20am the same car was seen speeding away from the area. It was the best lead they had so far. If they could find the vehicle, they could find the driver. And maybe they would find their killer. Based on the fact that he went straight to Maddie's room. It seemed like this was a targeted attack, like the killer already knew who he wanted to go after. The question was, who was he? And why would he want to kill Maddie, Kaylee, Zanna, and evil Ethan? To answer that, investigators tried to find a connection. And there was an obvious one. Greek life. All four victims were part of a sorority or a fraternity. And not only that, but at the time of the murders, Maddie, Zanna and Kaylee sororities were the only ones on campus that were currently suspended for issues involving alcohol, drugs, or hazing. That made the police wonder if the murders were alcohol or drug related. And remember, in the hours leading up to the murders, the victims and their surviving roommates were were all drinking and partying. Ethan and Zanna went to a party at Sigma Chi, and Kaylee and Madison spent about three hours at a local bar called the Corner Club. The police talked to a lot of people about it, but the leads came up empty. The Uber driver who brought Maddy and Kaylee home that night was clear too. And so was the doordasher who delivered Zanna's food. There was also a mysterious guy in the hoodie from the food truck. He was eliminated as a suspect, but there hasn't been any information released about him beyond that. So it didn't seem like anyone in town would have wanted to hurt any of the victims. Which meant authorities had to expand their search beyond Moscow. And they had a pretty good idea of where to start looking.

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The footage of the white Hyundai Elantra was the best lead authorities had so far. An FBI specialist determined it was a model between 2011 and 2013, which helped narrow things down a lot. And even though there wasn't any video footage of exactly where the car had gone, investigators were able to come up with a working theory by using the process of elimination based on where the car didn't show up on security camera footage in the area. They suspected that the sedan left Idaho State entirely, heading into the direction of Pullman, Washington, which is another college town about 10 miles away from Moscow, right on the Washington, Idaho border. The theory made a lot of sense because Pullman is the closest city to Moscow. So there were a lot of people there. And if the killer had specifically targeted the victims, chances were he would be around their age. So the Moscow PD got in touch with their counterparts in Pullman, who did a little video canvassing of their own. And the Pullman PD found security footage of what appeared to be a 2014-2016 white Hyundai Elantra with no front license plate, driving around town, including on the Washington State University campus there, around 5:25am on November 13, just an hour after the murders and on November 29, 16 days after the murders, two separate Washington state University campus police officers told the Moscow PD that they had previously spotted a car that fit the description. A 2015 white Hyundai Elantra with a Pennsylvania license plate, LFZ8649 for reference. Pennsylvania doesn't require a front license plate, but both Washington and Idaho do. So that explained why it didn't have a front plate. And it helped them narrow down the search in a huge way because now that they had the plate, they also got a hit on the driver's license. He was a 28 year old white male studying for a PhD in criminology at WSU. The license plate said he was 6ft tall and 185 pounds. And from the picture they could see he clearly had bushy eyebrows, just like Dylan had described. And best of all, they had a name. Brian Coburger. But the investigation was far from over. At the end of each episode, we'll be going off the record where I'll give my thoughts about the case and answer any questions you've submitted. What are your thoughts on the victim's injuries and possible motive if you've been following this case, they have been releasing

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

new evidence slowly and last month they

[Katie Ring]

released the autopsies of the victims.

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

And I'm going to go into it because warning, it's pretty brutal, but I

[Katie Ring]

knew this crime was obviously violent and brutal.

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

But after reading these autopsies, it gives

[Katie Ring]

you a whole new perspective of like

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

the sheer brutality of it.

[Katie Ring]

So let's start with Kaylee first. Her cause of death was sharp force injuries. She had 24 plus stab and incis wounds to scalp, face and neck, 11 stab wounds to the chest, three stab wounds to the upper extremities, punctures of the outer table of the skull, injuries to the teeth and tongue, perforations of the subclavanian artery and vein, hemorrhage into the chest cavities. Blunt force injuries include scalp laceration, bleeding around the brain, nasal fracture, scrapes on nose and cheeks, bruising around the eyes, pattern bruises extending across the lower face, hemorrhages in the eyes and mouth, and a blood alcohol content of 0.107. Before the autopsy, we knew the injuries to Kaylee were pretty severe. But hearing the exact injuries and seeing where they are on the body really

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

gives you an idea of how actually

[Katie Ring]

violent this was and how much damage was done to Kaylee, which is extremely sad. For Madison Mogan, it is the same cause of death, multiple sharp force injuries. She had 13 stab wounds to the scalp, face and neck, five stab wounds to the chest, 10 wounds to the upper extremities, wounds on the lung and liver, perforations, veins, arteries and blood vessels of the chest wall. Incision of the nasal septum, perforation of the tongue and fluid in the Lower Airways. The BAC is 0.282. Zanna also had very extensive injuries. The cause of death is the same. Multiple sharp force injuries. She had 23 stab wounds to the scalp, face and neck, seven stab wounds to the chest, four stab wounds to the abdomen, three puncture wounds to the back, 25 wounds to the upper extremities, five wounds to the lower extremities, punctures to the outer table of the skull, perforations of the jugular vein, heart, lung and pulmonary blood vessels, hemorrhages in the chest cavities, wounds extending into the bones of the right hand, scrapes and bruises on the face, torso and extremities, and a BAC of 0.229. So, again, before these autopsies were released, we knew that Zanna really fought back

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

and had these defensive wounds. And you can see, you know, even going to the bone on her hands,

[Katie Ring]

seeing that's how much she fought back, similar to Kaylee. We knew that Zanna had pretty extensive injuries, and we knew that she really fought back.

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

And she had these defensive wounds which

[Katie Ring]

you can really see here, especially to her upper extremities. Her hand got cut all the way to the bone.

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

So you could really see that Zanna fought back here, and it was just terribly violent. Last we have Ethan, who had four

[Katie Ring]

stab wounds to the scalp, face and neck, one stab wound to the upper chest, six incised wounds to the upper extremities, six stab wounds to the lower extremities, perforations of the jugular vein, subclavian vein and subclavian arteries, and a BAC of 0.122. So in total, that's about 150 or

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

even more stab wounds in 15 to 20 minutes. And I'll go into this in the next episode because we got new documents

[Katie Ring]

about what Kohberger's lawyers were going to argue and what the experts were going to argue.

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

But Kohberger did plead guilty, and he didn't say anyone else was involved. And I personally think that this was just an insane amount of adrenaline. Obviously, the injuries to Kaylee and Maddie, especially Kaylee, you know, at first were really intense. I do think it was sexually motivated, and I think it was sexually motivated towards Kaylee. I think Kaylee was the intended victim. Obviously we don't know, and that's just specul. But the fact that she was the only one who was strangulated kind of shows that. And I do think that maybe his plan was interrupted and that's why he just had this rage and then he just needed to kill all the witnesses. I think Dylan got away because as we saw, there was the mark on the chair that clearly said that he had to take a break after killing four people and stabbing people this many times and doing these injuries. Some people also are claiming now that

[Katie Ring]

there were two weapons used. Except if you know a K bar, it's a knife on one side and

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

the other side is basically a hammer. So I don't think it was two weapons used.

[Katie Ring]

I think it was just each side

[Crime Analyst/Commentator]

of the K bar. I think he used the butt end of the K bar to hit. And I think he even had someone said that he might have had gloves with hard knuckles on them. So I don't think it was two people. He's already pled guilty to this. I know people are going to hate that in the comments, but that is my personal opinion. But seeing these autopsies and the drawings of where these stab wounds hit and how just the sheer amount really speaks to the rage. And I agree with Steve Gonzalez that I'm surprised that the death penalty was taken off the table here because it's really disturbing how insane this was. I have a lot of thoughts on this investigation and we'll go more into them in the episode tomorrow. But from the beginning, I think the fact that they didn't reach out to the parents, the fact that that wasn't the first thing they did, I think is really disturbing in that people weren't finding out until the University of Idaho released this warning to the campus. So I think there was just a lot of failures in communication on every level. And again, yeah, we'll go into more of what I think in tomorrow's episode, but there's definitely a lot that they could have done better with this investigation.

[Katie Ring]

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