Legally Brunette: Nancy Guthrie Updates, Taylor Frankie Paul & Corn Hole Murderer

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Legally Brunette: Nancy Guthrie Updates, Taylor Frankie Paul & Corn Hole Murderer"

Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Host: Amy Robach (with guest co-host Alisa Donovan)
Date: March 31, 2026
Episode Theme:
A special crossover between "Legally Brunette" and "Killer Thriller" delving into true crime stories and legal controversies dominating headlines. The episode covers the latest on Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, domestic violence allegations against Taylor Frankie Paul, and the incredible cornhole champion murder case. Co-hosted by 90s icon Alisa Donovan, the discussion mixes pop culture, crime, legal nuance, and personal anecdotes.

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together true crime and legal drama as Amy Robach and guest co-host Alisa Donovan (known for "Clueless" and "Sabrina the Teenage Witch") dissect stories at the intersection of law, media, and bewildering human behavior. Listeners get insights into:

• The emotional and legal complexities surrounding Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance.
• The public implosion of influencer Taylor Frankie Paul amid resurfaced domestic violence video.
• The bizarre case of a quadruple amputee cornhole champion charged with murder.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meet Alisa Donovan: 90s Icon & True Crime Podcaster

(Starts: 00:47)

• Amy expresses her admiration for Alisa’s iconic 90s film roles, especially "Clueless."
• Lighthearted start with Alisa quoting her famous line:

  "She could be a farmer in those clothes." – Alisa Donovan, (01:27)

• Alisa shares about her podcast "Killer Thriller," her passion for true crime, and her work in advocacy around eating disorders and women’s health.
• Discussion about the challenges of raising 13-year-old daughters—hinting at a future podcast topic.

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2. The True Crime Fascination & Responsible Storytelling

(03:34)

• Alisa discusses her dedication to understanding the "human condition," stating:

  "I'm so fascinated by the human condition and human behavior and how we get to these extreme places." – Alisa Donovan, (03:34)

• She explains the mission of her podcast: Focus on dramatized films and series based on real crimes, and the tension between "emotional truth" and factual accuracy in storytelling.

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3. Cases that Haunt: Karen Read and the Murdochs

(05:06)

• Alisa talks about first hearing of the Karen Read case through "Free Karen Read" signs and how her interest grew via a Lifetime movie dramatization.
• The discussion moves to the Murdoch murders:

  "The peeling of the onion that just keeps going. And each thing that happens is more unbelievable than the next." – Alisa Donovan, (05:36)

• Amy notes frustration with inaccuracies in true crime dramatizations, specifically timelines that undermine credibility (07:17).
• Alisa explains producers often maintain the "emotional truth," even if facts are rearranged for narrative flow.

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4. Nancy Guthrie Disappearance: Where the Case Stands

(08:08)

• Recap of Savannah Guthrie's emotional Today Show interview about her missing mother, Nancy Guthrie.

  "I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now." – Savannah Guthrie (reported by Amy, 10:19)

• Alisa and Amy discuss the devastating helplessness Savannah and her family must feel, given the lack of leads after 54 days (09:22).
• Points of frustration:
  • Despite security footage and ransom emails, there are no major breakthroughs.
  • The emotional toll and the desperate public plea for anyone with info.
• Elizabeth Smart’s advice not to give up hope is highlighted as an example of public perseverance (11:34).
• Realism discussed regarding the likelihood of a positive resolution, given Nancy’s age and health (12:22).

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5. Taylor Frankie Paul: From Influencer to Public Outrage

(16:01)

• Introduction to Taylor Frankie Paul and the growing media firestorm following her domestic violence arrest and the resurfacing of 2023 incident video:

  "Once the video of that 2023 incident came out... you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother." – Alisa Donovan, (17:54)

• Details:
  • Incident involved Paul assaulting her boyfriend and her young daughter being present.
  • Video release catalyzed public and network response.
• Legal consequences:
  • She pled abeyance to aggravated assault; other charges dismissed if probation is completed.
  • ABC canceled her season of The Bachelorette days before airing, losing potentially $30-70 million (21:01).
• Discussion about network complicity and the reality show vetting process.
• Both hosts express bewilderment at why Paul was chosen as The Bachelorette given her documented behavior and ongoing issues with her ex (22:29).

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6. The ‘Cornhole Murderer’: A Bizarre and Tragic Turn

(24:00)

• Introduction to Dayton Weber, a quadruple amputee and professional cornhole player now accused of murder.
• The story:
  • Weber, noted for overcoming incredible odds, allegedly shot a friend during a roadside altercation (26:07).
  • Two witnesses fled; Weber drove the body to another location before being apprehended at a hospital in another state.
• Amy on the sheer peculiarity:

  "This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something." – Amy Robach, (28:21)

• Both hosts grapple with the contradiction between Weber’s achievements and his violent actions, and speculate about the possible motives and charges, including the challenge of proving premeditation (29:25).
• Open question: What was the argument about, and how does someone who has overcome so much reach such a breaking point?

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Alisa on the Murdoch case:

  "It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, it's utter violence... it has everything in it." – (05:46)

• Amy on dramatization accuracy:

  "I felt like it took away the credibility of the story... then it made me think, I don't know if I trust you with your credibility." – (07:17)

• Savannah Guthrie’s Plea:

  "I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now." – Amy quoting Savannah Guthrie, (10:19)

• Alisa on Taylor Frankie Paul:

  "It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother, I'm like you. She should be arrested. This is outrageous. Like, that person is unhinged." – (17:54)

• Amy on the bachelorette vetting process:

  "There is no way that they were unaware of this tape. They knew, and they just said, we're gonna shut it down." – (22:01)

• On the Cornhole Champion case:

  "This is madness. Like, this is... And so they did catch him, right?" – Alisa Donovan, (27:20)
  "This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something." – Amy, (28:21)
  "For a person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he did, to throw it all away in this way." – Alisa, (28:30)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:47–03:21: Amy introduces Alisa Donovan and chats about her career.
• 03:21–04:45: Alisa discusses her true crime fascination and podcast focus.
• 05:06–06:47: Deep dive into Karen Read case and Murdoch murders.
• 08:08–12:47: Nancy Guthrie disappearance emotional updates and analysis.
• 16:01–22:46: Taylor Frankie Paul’s domestic violence case, fallout, and effects on reality TV franchises.
• 24:00–29:48: Cornhole champion Dayton Weber murder case—facts and reactions.

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, and empathetic—mixing legal insight, personal experience, and dark humor.
• Blending pop culture references with nuanced discussion of crime and justice.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a multi-layered exploration of crime stories exemplifying the strange, tragic, and sensational aspects of American media and justice right now. With Amy Robach and Alisa Donovan’s dynamic exchange, listeners are given an engaging look behind the headlines—from the heartbreak of missing persons to the public reckoning for influencer-activists, and the sheer strangeness of a quadruple amputee murder suspect. The episode closes with both hosts eager to hear from listeners and tease future discussions on true crime and legal drama.

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(For more info or to submit case tips, listeners are encouraged to contact the show via social media or the "Legally Brunette" podcast feed.)

Transcript

[Amy]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[Ana Navarro]

I'm Ana Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. Every week, I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein.

[Alisa Donovan]

In 2018, the Justice Department through we counted four presidential administrations failed these victims.

[Ana Navarro]

Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy]

Hi, guys. Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette. But today, it is going to be a very special episode because we are doing a combined episode of Legally Brunette plus killer thriller.

[Alisa Donovan]

So.

[Amy]

So today, instead of Shane as my sidekick, we have Alisa Donovan.

[Ana Navarro]

Hello.

[Amy]

Thank you so much for being here today.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you for having me.

[Amy]

Actually, I just have to say before I go into your bio a little bit, I am a child of the 90s, so I grew up watching Clueless, and I watched it. I don't know, I've probably seen it hundreds of times. I even think I watched it the other night just laying in bed. So could you just say she could be a farmer in that outfit. Could you just do that, please, for me?

[Alisa Donovan]

She. She could be a farmer in those clothes.

[Amy]

Oh, my God.

[Ana Navarro]

That's not one.

[Alisa Donovan]

I get a lot, so really, that's my favorite. It's kind of my favorite, too.

[Amy]

What line do people want you to say when they see you?

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, they want me to say, my plastic surgeon doesn't want me doing any activity where balls fly out of my face.

[Amy]

Right, Right. That's a good one to say.

[Alisa Donovan]

Which I didn't know what that joke meant when we shot the video.

[Amy]

Right.

[Alisa Donovan]

I didn't know.

[Amy]

How old were you when you did that?

[Alisa Donovan]

I was 22.

[Amy]

You didn't know what balls flying at your face.

[Alisa Donovan]

I didn't know where the joke was, like, why everyone thinks it's hilarious. And then sort of later in the shoot was like, oh, this is why

[Amy]

everyone thinks it's so funny. Right. Well, anyway, I feel like I'm in the presence of 90s icon right now. Thank you for being here.

[Alisa Donovan]

Thank you.

[Ana Navarro]

Thank you.

[Amy]

So for over 30 years, Elisa Donovan has been a part of multiple iconic pop culture phenomena, known for her roles in Clueless, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Beverly Hills, 90210, just to name a few. In addition to your entertainment career, Elisa is passionate about supporting women struggling with eating disorders and is an advocate of spreading awareness and recovery. In February of 2022, when President Joe Biden proclaimed National Eating Disorders Awareness Week, Elisa was a panelist for the groundbreaking conversation with the White House Assistant Secretary for Health. Well, that's exciting.

[Alisa Donovan]

It was pretty.

[Amy]

So you've been invited to the White

[Alisa Donovan]

House and you've been there at the United nations, actually. Yeah. It was really something.

[Amy]

Wow.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yeah, that's very cool. Pretty amazing.

[Amy]

Elisa currently lives in San Francisco with her husband and daughter. And right before we started this podcast, we were talking about how we just real that we both have 13 year old daughters, which is, that's a whole nother podcast.

[Alisa Donovan]

It's the easiest thing on earth. I don't know why anybody thinks it's hard.

[Amy]

Right? It's so easy. So easy. I actually think we could do an entirely different podcast just on raising 13 year old daughters.

[Alisa Donovan]

I think that we could too.

[Amy]

Right?

[Alisa Donovan]

I think that we could too.

[Amy]

So Alisa has a podcast called Killer Thriller, which is on the Legally Brunette feed. So why don't you tell us a little bit about like, what's your passion with true crime? How did you start this? What are some of your favorite, your favorite cases?

[Alisa Donovan]

Yes, yes. So I am, you know, mildly, if not extremely fiercely obsessed with true crime. And I always have been. And I think I am clearly not alone in that. And to me it's really, I'm so fascinated by the human condition and human behavior and how we get to these extreme places. Like, is it absolutely unimaginable or oh, can you see how a person could get to X, Y and Z? So I've always looked at it from that perspective. And then when we, we thought about, for this podcast, let's talk about the narrative films and TVs that are based on these real, true crimes.

[Amy]

Right.

[Alisa Donovan]

So through the lens of how do you tell a narrative story and do justice and make, you know, it seems to me that the common thread from everybody that I've spoken with is that what you ultimately want to do is tell the emotional truth of the story, whereas sometimes they will shift certain facts just to move the story forward. But essentially you want to keep the emotional truth. So I, I can't tell you how much it's really been fun and it's been so fascinating.

[Amy]

What's a case that sticks out in your mind? What's something. Because this is what I do, because this is what we talk about. We talk about true crime, legal issues, you know, whatever's in mainstream media that people are talking about currently that has to do with legal issues. I lay in bed at night and think about it. Oh, so what's a case that just. I mean. Cause let's be honest, Karen Reed was in my mind for months and months.

[Alisa Donovan]

And you know how I even heard about. Karen Reid was driving on the 405, and I see people with signs that say, free Karen Reid. Right.

[Amy]

And you're like, poster board.

[Alisa Donovan]

I'm like, it's Karen Reed. Like, I could not believe that. So I interviewed Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reed in the Lifetime movie. I. That whole thing, what I find so fascinating about all of them, the one that really stays with me is the Murdoch murders.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah. The Murdochs. Yeah.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, my God.

[Amy]

So fascinating.

[Alisa Donovan]

The peeling of the onion that just keeps going. And each thing that happens is more unbelievable than the next. And how diabolical this man was.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah.

[Alisa Donovan]

And it's everything. It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, it's utter violence. It's domestic violence. Like, it's just. It has everything in it.

[Amy]

And to think how someone could murder not only their wife, but their son.

[Alisa Donovan]

But their son.

[Amy]

Their son. Yeah.

[Alisa Donovan]

It's so despicable. And I interviewed Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell, who were the ones who started the podcast, the Murdoch Murders podcast, and they sort of like, broke the story. But Mandy also serves as an executive producer of this Hulu series. So she was like this. The perfect guest because she could speak to both things.

[Amy]

Was that the recreation that they. That had actors.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right.

[Amy]

So that was the dramatization that was on Hulu.

[Alisa Donovan]

Patricia Arquette.

[Ana Navarro]

You know what?

[Amy]

I have to say, I think that was very well done. I liked it. The only thing that bothered me so much was the timeline. They threw the housekeeper. Well, they threw the housekeeper into scenes.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Amy]

Where she had already died.

[Alisa Donovan]

So that is.

[Amy]

Bugs me.

[Alisa Donovan]

So that part. I didn't realize that until I did the research after. Of the timing and that it was something that's one of those things that they changed it because I think she was already. Hadn't she already passed away by the time certain things happened? But they wanted to be able to tell the story in a continuous fashion, that it made sense for her to still be alive. But I. To me, that that stood out also. But it didn't bug me. It bothered you.

[Amy]

It bothered me because I felt like it took away the credibility of the story and the facts because to me, if you're watching it and you're aware that they've thrown this housekeeper into stories where she was already dead and but they had her continuing to have conversations with the son and be involved in these scenes, then it made me think, I don't know if I trust you with your credibility.

[Alisa Donovan]

I mean, that's a question that comes up. And I know from what Mandy said they wanted to make sure they were establishing the relationship between the housekeeper and Paul and that they had that like a real bond so that it would also it sort of humanized him a little bit. But also they tried to, you know, show things that probably happened years before

[Amy]

or months before they were trying to reconstruct it.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right. Yeah.

[Amy]

Well, let's move on into some current breaking news. So we're going to talk about Savannah Guthrie's Today show interview. So I don't know if you had the opportunity to watch it. I know it's a two parter. Savannah Guthrie has spoken publicly for the first time with Hoda Kotb following the disappearance of her mother, Nancy. On the Wednesday, March 25th broadcast of Today, Copy revealed that she recently conducted an extended interview with Guthrie. Copy said this the discussion was deeply emotional for everyone involved, including co hosts Craig Melvin, Al Roker and Carson Daly. Before sharing a clip, she explained that Guthrie used part of the interview to appeal directly to anyone who might have information. Now, have you seen any of the clips of this?

[Alisa Donovan]

Yes.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Alisa Donovan]

So I did not see the full thing, but I saw clips of it.

[Amy]

Okay, what, what's your takeaway on where we're at in this? I mean, it's been 54 days at this point.

[Alisa Donovan]

I first of all, it is just devastating to watch anyone talk about someone who has they under these circumstances. And I just see so much grief in her face and the disbelief that this they. I personally do not understand why they have not found. They have. No, I don't understand it.

[Amy]

I don't.

[Alisa Donovan]

How is it either possible, I mean, in that that video of the perpetrator at the door is so haunting and so the security video. I just don't understand how, you know,

[Amy]

and I also don't understand because, I mean with the whole ransom situation and the emails coming in and the asking for the money, it's like I don't understand how in this age with the digital forensics and all the things that we can do and how we, you know, find like the Golden State Killer after 30 years because of forensics and everything, how we have video of this man, how we have Emails coming in and asking for ransom money and how it's been 54 days and there's no break, there's zero.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right. They don't have anything.

[Amy]

Nothing. No information.

[Alisa Donovan]

And then how she must feel to be so helpless. Helpless, like impotent to do anything and that there's no. I just find it. I find it. So it's just devastating.

[Amy]

So in the excerpt, Guthrie, visibly emotional, says, quote, someone needs to do the right thing. We are in agony. We are in agony. It is unbearable. She went on to describe the toll the situation has taken, adding, I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now. I thought that was very poignant when she said that, because she's laying in bed at night in the dark and visualizing what her mother went through. She was woken up in the middle of the night and kidnapped by someone. And there's blood on the porch and the back door's open. And, you know, it's so awful.

[Alisa Donovan]

And I would imagine, you know, she's doing this because you've gotta try everything you can. Right. And you don't know what is going to maybe touch someone to say, I do have some information, or I do. Like, you just don't know what it's gonna be. And I feel like it just takes. So she must just be exhausted, like, utterly.

[Amy]

Yeah. And, you know, the fact that someone out there knows something. This could not have been pulled off by one lonely person. There have to be other people involved in this. So, you know, the fact that it's been 54 days, that there's no further information, that someone hasn't come forward, it's just.

[Alisa Donovan]

Well, you know, it's interesting. Elizabeth Smart made a statement on this. And we also, in killer thriller, I interviewed Skeet Ulrich, who plays her perpetrator in the movie that she narrates called I Am Elizabeth Smart. She is an extraordinary human being, but she. I remember her statement pretty early. Ish on maybe it was like two weeks in or something. And she said something to the effect of, do not give up hope. Because, you know, she was gone for nine months. And so she was saying things about, the police are doing everything they can, but it's really the public and the people that are around that can have some real impact. So don't give up on this person. It isn't only the first 48 hours. Like, you have to keep searching.

[Amy]

Let's be realistic for a second. It's been 54 days. She's an older woman. She needs medication. She wasn't in great health, I believe in the interview she says something to the effect of her mom couldn't. Could barely make it to the mailbox on some days.

[Alisa Donovan]

So, yeah, I know.

[Amy]

I feel that she's still a happy ending in this situation. And I hate to say that, but I feel like at this point, I don't, I don't.

[Alisa Donovan]

I know. I. It doesn't look very encouraging.

[Amy]

Right.

[Ana Navarro]

I'm Ana Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world, because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the BLEEP is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration.

[Alisa Donovan]

The Justice Department through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.

[Ana Navarro]

Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy]

So let's talk about where Nancy Guthrie case is at currently. We were just talking about how there isn't a lot of new. And in recent weeks, there have been no substantial discoveries in this case. The Guthrie siblings are continuing to release statements urging Arizona residents to search their memories and thanking the public for their continuous prayers. I mean, really, I feel like they've exhausted all possibilities. The police have done all the forensics. Like, obviously their hope at this point is that someone remembers something, sees something, says something, and that's the only way I think it's going to be solved at this point.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right. Because where I just did, he have no thought about where she would be. I just can't. I don't know. I find it so, like, discouraging in general.

[Amy]

Well, what is your thought on. I do believe also in this interview, she does make reference to saying that she believes that it might have something to do with her, some type of stalking situation where someone has an obsession with her. Right. But then they can't get to her. So the, the, the nearest thing they can think of is to kidnap the mother and have. And that's the way to get at her. Right. And I can't imagine having that feeling, not only like we talked about laying in bed at night and thinking what my mom went through, but now thinking this happened to my mother because of me and my public Persona and who I am and then living with that.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, God, it's just so much to metabolize. And I, I. That was the first thing that I thought when I heard about this was that they must be kidnapping her for the financial gain that Savannah could give to them. Like, that's totally why we connected in some way. Otherwise, it has to be connected. Why choose this person in the middle of nowhere, Right?

[Amy]

Exactly. All right, well, we will continue to follow the story. Obviously, we will hope for the best in this case, but we will let you know when we get any new updates.

[Alisa Donovan]

I do hope that she feel. I think she does feel that. Truly, like the whole nation is pulling for her, and people really are. I think their hearts are really with her, and I have to believe that that means something. I think. I really do think it does.

[Amy]

I think so. All right, let's move on. If you. You would have to live under a rock to not know who Taylor Frankie Paul is at this point in time in life, I can't even pull up my phone.

[Alisa Donovan]

I know.

[Amy]

Without seeing her image. She's everywhere. Everywhere. So let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence allegations and the bachelorette. So back in February 2023, this was the initial incident. So Taylor Frankie Paul was arrested in Utah after a violent altercation with her boyfriend and baby daddy, Dakota Mortensen. And I don't know. Do you watch the. The.

[Alisa Donovan]

I do not.

[Amy]

How The Mormon housewives, the Secret lives of Mormon wives. Okay. I did watch season one, and they did showcase this domestic violence issue.

[Alisa Donovan]

They did.

[Amy]

They showed some of the police body cam footage. They. They talked about it, but I feel like it was downplayed a lot.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, my God. So they knew about it, and they just continued with her right away.

[Amy]

So then, according to court documents and this surface video that has just magically appeared. Did you see it? I did see it.

[Alisa Donovan]

It's so.

[Amy]

So she threw metal chairs and a wooden playset at him, and one object reportedly hit her young daughter, who was present at the time. I sitting. If you watch the video, I think she was sitting on the couch.

[Alisa Donovan]

She's sitting on the couch.

[Amy]

Yep. I think the difference between the weight of what she did in 2023 was. In 2023, that video was never released.

[Alisa Donovan]

That's right.

[Amy]

And I think it's very easy for people to read. Oh, domestic violence altercation. They show a little body cam footage of her talking to the police, saying, we got in a fight. And I think people easily can brush that off and move past it. Yep. Once the video of that 2023 incident came out and you saw the full

[Alisa Donovan]

footage, you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother, I'm like you. She should be arrested. This is outrageous. Like, that person is unhinged.

[Amy]

And the fact that it wasn't just one chair.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right, right. That's right. Yes.

[Amy]

Maybe I could give her the benefit of the doubt and think, okay, in that moment, you just. You lost your crap, and you picked it up and you threw it at him, and you. You didn't immediately recoil and say, oh, my God, I can't believe I acted like that. You threw another chair, and then you came at him again, and then there's, like, a playset involved.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yes. And you hear your child crying, but you're still gonna get another chair. Like, I don't. I can't. It seems very irredeemable. Like, she. I don't know how she's gonna get past this.

[Amy]

Right. So then this. This is that 2023 incident. She was charged with aggravated assault, domestic violence in the presence of a child, child abuse, and other counts. So then In August of 2023, she enters a plea in abeyance to felony aggravated assault. If she complies with the conditions, which is probation treatment, no new crimes, the charge can be reduced to a misdemeanor, and the other charges were dismissed. And then, as we've talked about, this video from the 2023 incident has resurfaced. Or not resurfaced. It just surfaced, which was recorded by Dakota Mortensen and has been released. I assume this was just my assumption, because I think TMZ maybe was the first one to release it. I assume that he was just so. Over her. Yeah. That he released it to them, sent it to tmz.

[Alisa Donovan]

Sure.

[Amy]

Yes. Because I know there's a lot of speculation. Even some people were saying maybe one of the other wives on the show were the ones that, you know, I mean, maybe in a show like that, he sent it to them and then said, this is what I'm dealing with, or tried to get. You know, I don't know. My assumption was that it was him.

[Alisa Donovan]

That's 100% what I assumed. Right.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because I tell you, public perception of her, I think, really changed once that video was released, at least according to what I see.

[Alisa Donovan]

Without a doubt. I mean, I also. Well, I personally had never heard of her before this, so I didn't know anything about it. And then I went, and immediately. Initially, you think a woman accused of domestic violence, I always question it and say, what did he do first to make her do this? You know? And even when you watch the video, if it didn't go the way it went, I might have continued to think that, you know, that he was, like, provoking her into doing something. He's gaslighting her. But then when you see what actually happens, I went, oh, my God.

[Amy]

Well, her level of aggression is unreal.

[Alisa Donovan]

No, it's unreal. And it's unreal.

[Amy]

You can't explain it away. You can't make excuses for it. There were multiple times where she just should have just walked away.

[Alisa Donovan]

She said, turned around, she stopped and then goes at him, comes back and thinks about it and does it again.

[Amy]

Exactly.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So, I mean, it's. It's so egregious to look at, and it's so awful. So that same day, ABC pulled the plug on Taylor's season of the Bachelorette, which was set to air just three days later on March 22. ABC is allegedly losing between 30 and 70 million dollars after this cancellation. In addition, filming for season five of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was paused as Taylor's co stars refuse to film with her. So do you watch the Bachelor Bachelorette series at all?

[Alisa Donovan]

I don't watch any of that.

[Amy]

I feel like I'm too old to watch it.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yeah, I feel like I just can't.

[Amy]

I just can't either. Sorry.

[Alisa Donovan]

I don't mean any judgment. No judgment.

[Amy]

No judgment. I'm violent. I don't watch it. I don't watch. I feel like I'm just too old to watch that stuff.

[Alisa Donovan]

Clearly, it would be, like, too depressing.

[Amy]

Clearly. We're watching True Crime. We don't have to watch. Yeah, exactly. Watch that stuff.

[Alisa Donovan]

We're watching the aftermath of the Bachelor.

[Amy]

You know what bothers me, though? The Bachelorette was well aware of these incidents.

[Alisa Donovan]

Well, this is what I was going to say. Listen, I've done one reality. Well, two in my life. Well, I did the Worst Cooks of America show. Right. The celebrity version. All people from the 90s.

[Amy]

So you're not inviting me over for dinner. So it was.

[Alisa Donovan]

So I actually am a great cook.

[Amy]

But.

[Alisa Donovan]

So that show, they do background checks on you, right? They do. Like, I. Not only did I have it like a psychological interview, my husband. Yes. They do all. All of these things. So there is no way that they were unaware of this tape. They knew, and they just said, we're gonna shut it down.

[Amy]

Right. And then when that video got released, they were like, now you can't talk your way out of this one, so we just have to cancel it.

[Alisa Donovan]

I just can't understand why would they choose. Of all the people, there were other people they could choose to be the Bachelor. Like, why her?

[Amy]

I don't know. And she clearly still had ties to Dakota because he even talks about in an interview or something that they had sex the night before she left to go film the Bachelorette.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, my God.

[Amy]

So it's like, what were you thinking? You know, I don't know. I don't see a future for this franchise at this point. But we will see what happens.

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[Alisa Donovan]

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[Amy]

All right, let's move on to this story that I find extremely interesting.

[Alisa Donovan]

Oh, my God.

[Amy]

This is. First of all, do you know what cornhole is? Let's start there.

[Alisa Donovan]

Let's start there. I do know what cornhole is because we do have friends with homes in Sonoma and Napa, and they've got a cornhole in the backyard. Like, I. I do know what that is.

[Amy]

Okay. I didn't know that you could be a cornhole champion.

[Alisa Donovan]

Well, I didn't know that.

[Amy]

Okay, okay.

[Alisa Donovan]

To be fair, I didn't know that.

[Amy]

And I guess the Cornhole association is trying to get into the Olympics. I did not know that either. So all. Let's start there.

[Alisa Donovan]

Not good for that.

[Amy]

This is a very interesting case that is recent in the news. A professional cornhole player and also quadruple amputee is accused of murder. So this is a young man. He's 27 years old. He is a professional cornhole player in the American Cornhole League, and his name is Dayton Weber. And he became widely known as a quadruple amputee, which he lost. So he lost.

[Alisa Donovan]

That means all limbs.

[Amy]

All limbs were lost as an infant. I believe he had a severe blood infection. So know all limbs were removed. He gained attention for being highly independent. He drives, he competes in sports and even. And he even handles firearms despite his disability. So I actually watched some videos of him firing a 9 millimeter.

[Alisa Donovan]

How does this happen?

[Amy]

I don't know. I had to watch. I still can't figure it out. But he doesn't have fingers, so I was watching. I watched the video multiple times because I was trying to understand because it shows the gun popping off. Right?

[Alisa Donovan]

Right.

[Amy]

So I'm like, how is he pulling the trigger? But somehow he's able to pull the trigger.

[Alisa Donovan]

Wow.

[Amy]

Anyway, so we know that he can fire.

[Alisa Donovan]

Okay. Okay.

[Amy]

So let's talk about what allegedly happened. This is. This just happened recently. On March 22, a Weber was driving a Carl a car in Charles County, Maryland with three other people. So I believe he had his friend with him in the front seat.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right.

[Amy]

And then he stopped and two other people, I think they work together or something, jumped into the backseat.

[Alisa Donovan]

Okay.

[Amy]

So then there's four people in the car. They're driving along. Police say that Weber, the. The amputee that's driving, got into a very heated argument with his front seat passenger. And this man's name is Bradrick Michael Wells. I guess it was so heated that he. He, while he's driving, reaches over and shoots and gets a gun and picks up a gun and shoots him twice in the head while he's driving.

[Alisa Donovan]

At extraordinarily close range, yes. And did they not even get in a car accident? There was no, like, no.

[Amy]

I think he was just in the whole time then. I believe he asked. So the two witnesses in the back, he asked them to get the guy out of. That he just killed because he died from the shooting in the car to,

[Alisa Donovan]

like, clean him out.

[Amy]

Yeah, he asked them to get him out of the car. Can you remove this guy from the car? They were like, heck no.

[Alisa Donovan]

No way.

[Amy]

They jump out of the car and then flag down a police officer and tell the police what happened.

[Alisa Donovan]

So this is the craziest, it's insane story ever. This is insane.

[Amy]

So he then he drives on with the dead body in his car in the front seat. And then I allegedly dumps the body just on like, the side of the road somewhere.

[Alisa Donovan]

This is madness. Like, this is. And where. And so they did catch him, right?

[Amy]

They did. So investigators say that he drove off with the body still in the car. And the victim was later found dumped in a yard in Maryland somewhere. And then he was tracked to Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh. He was found at a hospital seeking treatment. But I don't understand how he was injured.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right. Because, I mean, maybe getting the guy out of the car, it could be like a multitude of things.

[Amy]

Yeah. So he got injured somehow badly enough that he felt like he needed to go to the hospital and have his injuries looked at.

[Alisa Donovan]

I don't know. And now he's in custody, correct?

[Amy]

He is in custody, yes. So he was arrested at the hospital and he was arrested as a fugitive. But, you know, I mean, I mean, these.

[Alisa Donovan]

I. This is. Again, I don't. You know, I can't wait for the movie about this one, because this is really insane.

[Amy]

I don't even.

[Alisa Donovan]

Can't even make it up.

[Amy]

This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something. Because they're gonna. It's the whole thing about his life and then the cornhole. And the cornhole champion.

[Alisa Donovan]

For a person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he did, to throw it all away in this way. Like, I just, I don't. I. I find it so fascinating. Like, how do you. This man has had to work so hard in his life to do anything. So many things to overcome so many things.

[Amy]

I know.

[Alisa Donovan]

And like, is it. Does he. Just. Furious. What did they fight about?

[Amy]

I. That's my question, too. That is the million dollar question.

[Alisa Donovan]

They're gonna get the info from the guys in the backseat.

[Amy]

Yeah, I wanna know that. What was the argument about? And why are you driving around with a 9 millimeter in your car? All of it just. It must have just been laying right there. Easily accessible to. I don't even know. All right, so he is expected to face charges including first degree murder, second degree murder and use of a firearm and a felony. Well, you know, the first degree murder, though. First degree murder is premeditated, so I don't really understand the first.

[Alisa Donovan]

Yeah. What would. How.

[Amy]

I don't know. I don't think that one's really. To me, it seems like a heat of the moment type of thing other than he did have the gun in the vehicle. But I don't know. We just need more facts. We need to know the conversation. We need to know the argument. How long was he in the car? I don't know.

[Alisa Donovan]

Right. So maybe they do that because they can. If the gun was already in there, then it could be considered premeditated. Right. Even if they don't.

[Amy]

So let's just throw everything at him.

[Alisa Donovan]

Possible just.

[Amy]

And go from there. So it has been so fun talking to you. Oh my gosh. I love to get to do this again.

[Alisa Donovan]

I hope we do too.

[Amy]

I would love to discuss more cases and get your thoughts and all the things.

[Alisa Donovan]

I would love it. So I would love to do that.

[Amy]

All right, so guys, please be sure to listen to Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan and tell me your thoughts and tell us what cases you want us to discuss. We love to hear all the things. And if you have more information about the Cornhole player, please send me a DM because I really feel like I need to fill in some blanks there.

[Alisa Donovan]

Any sort of info.

[Amy]

Yeah, I would love that. So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. As always, please follow Legally Brunette. You can also listen to Killer Thriller and the Amy and TJ Presents feed.

[Ana Navarro]

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[Alisa Donovan]

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[Ana Navarro]

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[Amy]

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