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Amy
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
Ana Navarro
I'm Ana Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. Every week, I'm breaking down the biggest issues happening in our communities and around the world. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein.
Alisa Donovan
In 2018, the Justice Department through we counted four presidential administrations failed these victims.
Ana Navarro
Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Amy
Hi, guys. Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette. But today, it is going to be a very special episode because we are doing a combined episode of Legally Brunette plus killer thriller.
Alisa Donovan
So.
Amy
So today, instead of Shane as my sidekick, we have Alisa Donovan.
Ana Navarro
Hello.
Amy
Thank you so much for being here today.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, my gosh. Thank you for having me.
Amy
Actually, I just have to say before I go into your bio a little bit, I am a child of the 90s, so I grew up watching Clueless, and I watched it. I don't know, I've probably seen it hundreds of times. I even think I watched it the other night just laying in bed. So could you just say she could be a farmer in that outfit. Could you just do that, please, for me?
Alisa Donovan
She. She could be a farmer in those clothes.
Amy
Oh, my God.
Ana Navarro
That's not one.
Alisa Donovan
I get a lot, so really, that's my favorite. It's kind of my favorite, too.
Amy
What line do people want you to say when they see you?
Alisa Donovan
Oh, they want me to say, my plastic surgeon doesn't want me doing any activity where balls fly out of my face.
Amy
Right, Right. That's a good one to say.
Alisa Donovan
Which I didn't know what that joke meant when we shot the video.
Amy
Right.
Alisa Donovan
I didn't know.
Amy
How old were you when you did that?
Alisa Donovan
I was 22.
Amy
You didn't know what balls flying at your face.
Alisa Donovan
I didn't know where the joke was, like, why everyone thinks it's hilarious. And then sort of later in the shoot was like, oh, this is why
Amy
everyone thinks it's so funny. Right. Well, anyway, I feel like I'm in the presence of 90s icon right now. Thank you for being here.
Alisa Donovan
Thank you.
Ana Navarro
Thank you.
Amy
So for over 30 years, Elisa Donovan has been a part of multiple iconic pop culture phenomena, known for her roles in Clueless, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Beverly Hills, 90210, just to name a few. In addition to your entertainment career, Elisa is passionate about supporting women struggling with eating disorders and is an advocate of spreading awareness and recovery. In February of 2022, when President Joe Biden proclaimed National Eating Disorders Awareness Week, Elisa was a panelist for the groundbreaking conversation with the White House Assistant Secretary for Health. Well, that's exciting.
Alisa Donovan
It was pretty.
Amy
So you've been invited to the White
Alisa Donovan
House and you've been there at the United nations, actually. Yeah. It was really something.
Amy
Wow.
Alisa Donovan
Yeah, that's very cool. Pretty amazing.
Amy
Elisa currently lives in San Francisco with her husband and daughter. And right before we started this podcast, we were talking about how we just real that we both have 13 year old daughters, which is, that's a whole nother podcast.
Alisa Donovan
It's the easiest thing on earth. I don't know why anybody thinks it's hard.
Amy
Right? It's so easy. So easy. I actually think we could do an entirely different podcast just on raising 13 year old daughters.
Alisa Donovan
I think that we could too.
Amy
Right?
Alisa Donovan
I think that we could too.
Amy
So Alisa has a podcast called Killer Thriller, which is on the Legally Brunette feed. So why don't you tell us a little bit about like, what's your passion with true crime? How did you start this? What are some of your favorite, your favorite cases?
Alisa Donovan
Yes, yes. So I am, you know, mildly, if not extremely fiercely obsessed with true crime. And I always have been. And I think I am clearly not alone in that. And to me it's really, I'm so fascinated by the human condition and human behavior and how we get to these extreme places. Like, is it absolutely unimaginable or oh, can you see how a person could get to X, Y and Z? So I've always looked at it from that perspective. And then when we, we thought about, for this podcast, let's talk about the narrative films and TVs that are based on these real, true crimes.
Amy
Right.
Alisa Donovan
So through the lens of how do you tell a narrative story and do justice and make, you know, it seems to me that the common thread from everybody that I've spoken with is that what you ultimately want to do is tell the emotional truth of the story, whereas sometimes they will shift certain facts just to move the story forward. But essentially you want to keep the emotional truth. So I, I can't tell you how much it's really been fun and it's been so fascinating.
Amy
What's a case that sticks out in your mind? What's something. Because this is what I do, because this is what we talk about. We talk about true crime, legal issues, you know, whatever's in mainstream media that people are talking about currently that has to do with legal issues. I lay in bed at night and think about it. Oh, so what's a case that just. I mean. Cause let's be honest, Karen Reed was in my mind for months and months.
Alisa Donovan
And you know how I even heard about. Karen Reid was driving on the 405, and I see people with signs that say, free Karen Reid. Right.
Amy
And you're like, poster board.
Alisa Donovan
I'm like, it's Karen Reed. Like, I could not believe that. So I interviewed Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reed in the Lifetime movie. I. That whole thing, what I find so fascinating about all of them, the one that really stays with me is the Murdoch murders.
Amy
Oh, yeah. The Murdochs. Yeah.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, my God.
Amy
So fascinating.
Alisa Donovan
The peeling of the onion that just keeps going. And each thing that happens is more unbelievable than the next. And how diabolical this man was.
Amy
Oh, yeah.
Alisa Donovan
And it's everything. It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, it's utter violence. It's domestic violence. Like, it's just. It has everything in it.
Amy
And to think how someone could murder not only their wife, but their son.
Alisa Donovan
But their son.
Amy
Their son. Yeah.
Alisa Donovan
It's so despicable. And I interviewed Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell, who were the ones who started the podcast, the Murdoch Murders podcast, and they sort of like, broke the story. But Mandy also serves as an executive producer of this Hulu series. So she was like this. The perfect guest because she could speak to both things.
Amy
Was that the recreation that they. That had actors.
Alisa Donovan
Right.
Amy
So that was the dramatization that was on Hulu.
Alisa Donovan
Patricia Arquette.
Ana Navarro
You know what?
Amy
I have to say, I think that was very well done. I liked it. The only thing that bothered me so much was the timeline. They threw the housekeeper. Well, they threw the housekeeper into scenes.
Alisa Donovan
Yes.
Amy
Where she had already died.
Alisa Donovan
So that is.
Amy
Bugs me.
Alisa Donovan
So that part. I didn't realize that until I did the research after. Of the timing and that it was something that's one of those things that they changed it because I think she was already. Hadn't she already passed away by the time certain things happened? But they wanted to be able to tell the story in a continuous fashion, that it made sense for her to still be alive. But I. To me, that that stood out also. But it didn't bug me. It bothered you.
Amy
It bothered me because I felt like it took away the credibility of the story and the facts because to me, if you're watching it and you're aware that they've thrown this housekeeper into stories where she was already dead and but they had her continuing to have conversations with the son and be involved in these scenes, then it made me think, I don't know if I trust you with your credibility.
Alisa Donovan
I mean, that's a question that comes up. And I know from what Mandy said they wanted to make sure they were establishing the relationship between the housekeeper and Paul and that they had that like a real bond so that it would also it sort of humanized him a little bit. But also they tried to, you know, show things that probably happened years before
Amy
or months before they were trying to reconstruct it.
Alisa Donovan
Right. Yeah.
Amy
Well, let's move on into some current breaking news. So we're going to talk about Savannah Guthrie's Today show interview. So I don't know if you had the opportunity to watch it. I know it's a two parter. Savannah Guthrie has spoken publicly for the first time with Hoda Kotb following the disappearance of her mother, Nancy. On the Wednesday, March 25th broadcast of Today, Copy revealed that she recently conducted an extended interview with Guthrie. Copy said this the discussion was deeply emotional for everyone involved, including co hosts Craig Melvin, Al Roker and Carson Daly. Before sharing a clip, she explained that Guthrie used part of the interview to appeal directly to anyone who might have information. Now, have you seen any of the clips of this?
Alisa Donovan
Yes.
Amy
Okay.
Alisa Donovan
So I did not see the full thing, but I saw clips of it.
Amy
Okay, what, what's your takeaway on where we're at in this? I mean, it's been 54 days at this point.
Alisa Donovan
I first of all, it is just devastating to watch anyone talk about someone who has they under these circumstances. And I just see so much grief in her face and the disbelief that this they. I personally do not understand why they have not found. They have. No, I don't understand it.
Amy
I don't.
Alisa Donovan
How is it either possible, I mean, in that that video of the perpetrator at the door is so haunting and so the security video. I just don't understand how, you know,
Amy
and I also don't understand because, I mean with the whole ransom situation and the emails coming in and the asking for the money, it's like I don't understand how in this age with the digital forensics and all the things that we can do and how we, you know, find like the Golden State Killer after 30 years because of forensics and everything, how we have video of this man, how we have Emails coming in and asking for ransom money and how it's been 54 days and there's no break, there's zero.
Alisa Donovan
Right. They don't have anything.
Amy
Nothing. No information.
Alisa Donovan
And then how she must feel to be so helpless. Helpless, like impotent to do anything and that there's no. I just find it. I find it. So it's just devastating.
Amy
So in the excerpt, Guthrie, visibly emotional, says, quote, someone needs to do the right thing. We are in agony. We are in agony. It is unbearable. She went on to describe the toll the situation has taken, adding, I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now. I thought that was very poignant when she said that, because she's laying in bed at night in the dark and visualizing what her mother went through. She was woken up in the middle of the night and kidnapped by someone. And there's blood on the porch and the back door's open. And, you know, it's so awful.
Alisa Donovan
And I would imagine, you know, she's doing this because you've gotta try everything you can. Right. And you don't know what is going to maybe touch someone to say, I do have some information, or I do. Like, you just don't know what it's gonna be. And I feel like it just takes. So she must just be exhausted, like, utterly.
Amy
Yeah. And, you know, the fact that someone out there knows something. This could not have been pulled off by one lonely person. There have to be other people involved in this. So, you know, the fact that it's been 54 days, that there's no further information, that someone hasn't come forward, it's just.
Alisa Donovan
Well, you know, it's interesting. Elizabeth Smart made a statement on this. And we also, in killer thriller, I interviewed Skeet Ulrich, who plays her perpetrator in the movie that she narrates called I Am Elizabeth Smart. She is an extraordinary human being, but she. I remember her statement pretty early. Ish on maybe it was like two weeks in or something. And she said something to the effect of, do not give up hope. Because, you know, she was gone for nine months. And so she was saying things about, the police are doing everything they can, but it's really the public and the people that are around that can have some real impact. So don't give up on this person. It isn't only the first 48 hours. Like, you have to keep searching.
Amy
Let's be realistic for a second. It's been 54 days. She's an older woman. She needs medication. She wasn't in great health, I believe in the interview she says something to the effect of her mom couldn't. Could barely make it to the mailbox on some days.
Alisa Donovan
So, yeah, I know.
Amy
I feel that she's still a happy ending in this situation. And I hate to say that, but I feel like at this point, I don't, I don't.
Alisa Donovan
I know. I. It doesn't look very encouraging.
Amy
Right.
Ana Navarro
I'm Ana Navarro, and on my new podcast, Bleep with Ana Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world, because I know deep down inside right now we are all cursing and asking what the BLEEP is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration.
Alisa Donovan
The Justice Department through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.
Ana Navarro
Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Amy
So let's talk about where Nancy Guthrie case is at currently. We were just talking about how there isn't a lot of new. And in recent weeks, there have been no substantial discoveries in this case. The Guthrie siblings are continuing to release statements urging Arizona residents to search their memories and thanking the public for their continuous prayers. I mean, really, I feel like they've exhausted all possibilities. The police have done all the forensics. Like, obviously their hope at this point is that someone remembers something, sees something, says something, and that's the only way I think it's going to be solved at this point.
Alisa Donovan
Right. Because where I just did, he have no thought about where she would be. I just can't. I don't know. I find it so, like, discouraging in general.
Amy
Well, what is your thought on. I do believe also in this interview, she does make reference to saying that she believes that it might have something to do with her, some type of stalking situation where someone has an obsession with her. Right. But then they can't get to her. So the, the, the nearest thing they can think of is to kidnap the mother and have. And that's the way to get at her. Right. And I can't imagine having that feeling, not only like we talked about laying in bed at night and thinking what my mom went through, but now thinking this happened to my mother because of me and my public Persona and who I am and then living with that.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, God, it's just so much to metabolize. And I, I. That was the first thing that I thought when I heard about this was that they must be kidnapping her for the financial gain that Savannah could give to them. Like, that's totally why we connected in some way. Otherwise, it has to be connected. Why choose this person in the middle of nowhere, Right?
Amy
Exactly. All right, well, we will continue to follow the story. Obviously, we will hope for the best in this case, but we will let you know when we get any new updates.
Alisa Donovan
I do hope that she feel. I think she does feel that. Truly, like the whole nation is pulling for her, and people really are. I think their hearts are really with her, and I have to believe that that means something. I think. I really do think it does.
Amy
I think so. All right, let's move on. If you. You would have to live under a rock to not know who Taylor Frankie Paul is at this point in time in life, I can't even pull up my phone.
Alisa Donovan
I know.
Amy
Without seeing her image. She's everywhere. Everywhere. So let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence allegations and the bachelorette. So back in February 2023, this was the initial incident. So Taylor Frankie Paul was arrested in Utah after a violent altercation with her boyfriend and baby daddy, Dakota Mortensen. And I don't know. Do you watch the. The.
Alisa Donovan
I do not.
Amy
How The Mormon housewives, the Secret lives of Mormon wives. Okay. I did watch season one, and they did showcase this domestic violence issue.
Alisa Donovan
They did.
Amy
They showed some of the police body cam footage. They. They talked about it, but I feel like it was downplayed a lot.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, my God. So they knew about it, and they just continued with her right away.
Amy
So then, according to court documents and this surface video that has just magically appeared. Did you see it? I did see it.
Alisa Donovan
It's so.
Amy
So she threw metal chairs and a wooden playset at him, and one object reportedly hit her young daughter, who was present at the time. I sitting. If you watch the video, I think she was sitting on the couch.
Alisa Donovan
She's sitting on the couch.
Amy
Yep. I think the difference between the weight of what she did in 2023 was. In 2023, that video was never released.
Alisa Donovan
That's right.
Amy
And I think it's very easy for people to read. Oh, domestic violence altercation. They show a little body cam footage of her talking to the police, saying, we got in a fight. And I think people easily can brush that off and move past it. Yep. Once the video of that 2023 incident came out and you saw the full
Alisa Donovan
footage, you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother, I'm like you. She should be arrested. This is outrageous. Like, that person is unhinged.
Amy
And the fact that it wasn't just one chair.
Alisa Donovan
Right, right. That's right. Yes.
Amy
Maybe I could give her the benefit of the doubt and think, okay, in that moment, you just. You lost your crap, and you picked it up and you threw it at him, and you. You didn't immediately recoil and say, oh, my God, I can't believe I acted like that. You threw another chair, and then you came at him again, and then there's, like, a playset involved.
Alisa Donovan
Yes. And you hear your child crying, but you're still gonna get another chair. Like, I don't. I can't. It seems very irredeemable. Like, she. I don't know how she's gonna get past this.
Amy
Right. So then this. This is that 2023 incident. She was charged with aggravated assault, domestic violence in the presence of a child, child abuse, and other counts. So then In August of 2023, she enters a plea in abeyance to felony aggravated assault. If she complies with the conditions, which is probation treatment, no new crimes, the charge can be reduced to a misdemeanor, and the other charges were dismissed. And then, as we've talked about, this video from the 2023 incident has resurfaced. Or not resurfaced. It just surfaced, which was recorded by Dakota Mortensen and has been released. I assume this was just my assumption, because I think TMZ maybe was the first one to release it. I assume that he was just so. Over her. Yeah. That he released it to them, sent it to tmz.
Alisa Donovan
Sure.
Amy
Yes. Because I know there's a lot of speculation. Even some people were saying maybe one of the other wives on the show were the ones that, you know, I mean, maybe in a show like that, he sent it to them and then said, this is what I'm dealing with, or tried to get. You know, I don't know. My assumption was that it was him.
Alisa Donovan
That's 100% what I assumed. Right.
Amy
Yeah. Because I tell you, public perception of her, I think, really changed once that video was released, at least according to what I see.
Alisa Donovan
Without a doubt. I mean, I also. Well, I personally had never heard of her before this, so I didn't know anything about it. And then I went, and immediately. Initially, you think a woman accused of domestic violence, I always question it and say, what did he do first to make her do this? You know? And even when you watch the video, if it didn't go the way it went, I might have continued to think that, you know, that he was, like, provoking her into doing something. He's gaslighting her. But then when you see what actually happens, I went, oh, my God.
Amy
Well, her level of aggression is unreal.
Alisa Donovan
No, it's unreal. And it's unreal.
Amy
You can't explain it away. You can't make excuses for it. There were multiple times where she just should have just walked away.
Alisa Donovan
She said, turned around, she stopped and then goes at him, comes back and thinks about it and does it again.
Amy
Exactly.
Alisa Donovan
Yeah.
Amy
So, I mean, it's. It's so egregious to look at, and it's so awful. So that same day, ABC pulled the plug on Taylor's season of the Bachelorette, which was set to air just three days later on March 22. ABC is allegedly losing between 30 and 70 million dollars after this cancellation. In addition, filming for season five of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was paused as Taylor's co stars refuse to film with her. So do you watch the Bachelor Bachelorette series at all?
Alisa Donovan
I don't watch any of that.
Amy
I feel like I'm too old to watch it.
Alisa Donovan
Yeah, I feel like I just can't.
Amy
I just can't either. Sorry.
Alisa Donovan
I don't mean any judgment. No judgment.
Amy
No judgment. I'm violent. I don't watch it. I don't watch. I feel like I'm just too old to watch that stuff.
Alisa Donovan
Clearly, it would be, like, too depressing.
Amy
Clearly. We're watching True Crime. We don't have to watch. Yeah, exactly. Watch that stuff.
Alisa Donovan
We're watching the aftermath of the Bachelor.
Amy
You know what bothers me, though? The Bachelorette was well aware of these incidents.
Alisa Donovan
Well, this is what I was going to say. Listen, I've done one reality. Well, two in my life. Well, I did the Worst Cooks of America show. Right. The celebrity version. All people from the 90s.
Amy
So you're not inviting me over for dinner. So it was.
Alisa Donovan
So I actually am a great cook.
Amy
But.
Alisa Donovan
So that show, they do background checks on you, right? They do. Like, I. Not only did I have it like a psychological interview, my husband. Yes. They do all. All of these things. So there is no way that they were unaware of this tape. They knew, and they just said, we're gonna shut it down.
Amy
Right. And then when that video got released, they were like, now you can't talk your way out of this one, so we just have to cancel it.
Alisa Donovan
I just can't understand why would they choose. Of all the people, there were other people they could choose to be the Bachelor. Like, why her?
Amy
I don't know. And she clearly still had ties to Dakota because he even talks about in an interview or something that they had sex the night before she left to go film the Bachelorette.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, my God.
Amy
So it's like, what were you thinking? You know, I don't know. I don't see a future for this franchise at this point. But we will see what happens.
Ana Navarro
I'm Ana Navarro, and on my new podcast, BLEEP with Anna Navarro, I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world, because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking what the BLEEP is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration.
Alisa Donovan
The Justice Department, through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.
Ana Navarro
Listen to BLEEP with Ana Navarro as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Amy
All right, let's move on to this story that I find extremely interesting.
Alisa Donovan
Oh, my God.
Amy
This is. First of all, do you know what cornhole is? Let's start there.
Alisa Donovan
Let's start there. I do know what cornhole is because we do have friends with homes in Sonoma and Napa, and they've got a cornhole in the backyard. Like, I. I do know what that is.
Amy
Okay. I didn't know that you could be a cornhole champion.
Alisa Donovan
Well, I didn't know that.
Amy
Okay, okay.
Alisa Donovan
To be fair, I didn't know that.
Amy
And I guess the Cornhole association is trying to get into the Olympics. I did not know that either. So all. Let's start there.
Alisa Donovan
Not good for that.
Amy
This is a very interesting case that is recent in the news. A professional cornhole player and also quadruple amputee is accused of murder. So this is a young man. He's 27 years old. He is a professional cornhole player in the American Cornhole League, and his name is Dayton Weber. And he became widely known as a quadruple amputee, which he lost. So he lost.
Alisa Donovan
That means all limbs.
Amy
All limbs were lost as an infant. I believe he had a severe blood infection. So know all limbs were removed. He gained attention for being highly independent. He drives, he competes in sports and even. And he even handles firearms despite his disability. So I actually watched some videos of him firing a 9 millimeter.
Alisa Donovan
How does this happen?
Amy
I don't know. I had to watch. I still can't figure it out. But he doesn't have fingers, so I was watching. I watched the video multiple times because I was trying to understand because it shows the gun popping off. Right?
Alisa Donovan
Right.
Amy
So I'm like, how is he pulling the trigger? But somehow he's able to pull the trigger.
Alisa Donovan
Wow.
Amy
Anyway, so we know that he can fire.
Alisa Donovan
Okay. Okay.
Amy
So let's talk about what allegedly happened. This is. This just happened recently. On March 22, a Weber was driving a Carl a car in Charles County, Maryland with three other people. So I believe he had his friend with him in the front seat.
Alisa Donovan
Right.
Amy
And then he stopped and two other people, I think they work together or something, jumped into the backseat.
Alisa Donovan
Okay.
Amy
So then there's four people in the car. They're driving along. Police say that Weber, the. The amputee that's driving, got into a very heated argument with his front seat passenger. And this man's name is Bradrick Michael Wells. I guess it was so heated that he. He, while he's driving, reaches over and shoots and gets a gun and picks up a gun and shoots him twice in the head while he's driving.
Alisa Donovan
At extraordinarily close range, yes. And did they not even get in a car accident? There was no, like, no.
Amy
I think he was just in the whole time then. I believe he asked. So the two witnesses in the back, he asked them to get the guy out of. That he just killed because he died from the shooting in the car to,
Alisa Donovan
like, clean him out.
Amy
Yeah, he asked them to get him out of the car. Can you remove this guy from the car? They were like, heck no.
Alisa Donovan
No way.
Amy
They jump out of the car and then flag down a police officer and tell the police what happened.
Alisa Donovan
So this is the craziest, it's insane story ever. This is insane.
Amy
So he then he drives on with the dead body in his car in the front seat. And then I allegedly dumps the body just on like, the side of the road somewhere.
Alisa Donovan
This is madness. Like, this is. And where. And so they did catch him, right?
Amy
They did. So investigators say that he drove off with the body still in the car. And the victim was later found dumped in a yard in Maryland somewhere. And then he was tracked to Charlottesville, Virginia. Oh. He was found at a hospital seeking treatment. But I don't understand how he was injured.
Alisa Donovan
Right. Because, I mean, maybe getting the guy out of the car, it could be like a multitude of things.
Amy
Yeah. So he got injured somehow badly enough that he felt like he needed to go to the hospital and have his injuries looked at.
Alisa Donovan
I don't know. And now he's in custody, correct?
Amy
He is in custody, yes. So he was arrested at the hospital and he was arrested as a fugitive. But, you know, I mean, I mean, these.
Alisa Donovan
I. This is. Again, I don't. You know, I can't wait for the movie about this one, because this is really insane.
Amy
I don't even.
Alisa Donovan
Can't even make it up.
Amy
This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something. Because they're gonna. It's the whole thing about his life and then the cornhole. And the cornhole champion.
Alisa Donovan
For a person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he did, to throw it all away in this way. Like, I just, I don't. I. I find it so fascinating. Like, how do you. This man has had to work so hard in his life to do anything. So many things to overcome so many things.
Amy
I know.
Alisa Donovan
And like, is it. Does he. Just. Furious. What did they fight about?
Amy
I. That's my question, too. That is the million dollar question.
Alisa Donovan
They're gonna get the info from the guys in the backseat.
Amy
Yeah, I wanna know that. What was the argument about? And why are you driving around with a 9 millimeter in your car? All of it just. It must have just been laying right there. Easily accessible to. I don't even know. All right, so he is expected to face charges including first degree murder, second degree murder and use of a firearm and a felony. Well, you know, the first degree murder, though. First degree murder is premeditated, so I don't really understand the first.
Alisa Donovan
Yeah. What would. How.
Amy
I don't know. I don't think that one's really. To me, it seems like a heat of the moment type of thing other than he did have the gun in the vehicle. But I don't know. We just need more facts. We need to know the conversation. We need to know the argument. How long was he in the car? I don't know.
Alisa Donovan
Right. So maybe they do that because they can. If the gun was already in there, then it could be considered premeditated. Right. Even if they don't.
Amy
So let's just throw everything at him.
Alisa Donovan
Possible just.
Amy
And go from there. So it has been so fun talking to you. Oh my gosh. I love to get to do this again.
Alisa Donovan
I hope we do too.
Amy
I would love to discuss more cases and get your thoughts and all the things.
Alisa Donovan
I would love it. So I would love to do that.
Amy
All right, so guys, please be sure to listen to Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan and tell me your thoughts and tell us what cases you want us to discuss. We love to hear all the things. And if you have more information about the Cornhole player, please send me a DM because I really feel like I need to fill in some blanks there.
Alisa Donovan
Any sort of info.
Amy
Yeah, I would love that. So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. As always, please follow Legally Brunette. You can also listen to Killer Thriller and the Amy and TJ Presents feed.
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Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present
Host: Amy Robach (with guest co-host Alisa Donovan)
Date: March 31, 2026
Episode Theme:
A special crossover between "Legally Brunette" and "Killer Thriller" delving into true crime stories and legal controversies dominating headlines. The episode covers the latest on Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, domestic violence allegations against Taylor Frankie Paul, and the incredible cornhole champion murder case. Co-hosted by 90s icon Alisa Donovan, the discussion mixes pop culture, crime, legal nuance, and personal anecdotes.
This episode brings together true crime and legal drama as Amy Robach and guest co-host Alisa Donovan (known for "Clueless" and "Sabrina the Teenage Witch") dissect stories at the intersection of law, media, and bewildering human behavior. Listeners get insights into:
(Starts: 00:47)
"She could be a farmer in those clothes." – Alisa Donovan, (01:27)
(03:34)
"I'm so fascinated by the human condition and human behavior and how we get to these extreme places." – Alisa Donovan, (03:34)
(05:06)
"The peeling of the onion that just keeps going. And each thing that happens is more unbelievable than the next." – Alisa Donovan, (05:36)
(08:08)
"I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now." – Savannah Guthrie (reported by Amy, 10:19)
(16:01)
"Once the video of that 2023 incident came out... you cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother." – Alisa Donovan, (17:54)
(24:00)
"This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something." – Amy Robach, (28:21)
Alisa on the Murdoch case:
"It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, it's utter violence... it has everything in it." – (05:46)
Amy on dramatization accuracy:
"I felt like it took away the credibility of the story... then it made me think, I don't know if I trust you with your credibility." – (07:17)
Savannah Guthrie’s Plea:
"I wake up every night and in the darkness, I imagine her terror. But she needs to come home now." – Amy quoting Savannah Guthrie, (10:19)
Alisa on Taylor Frankie Paul:
"It's so upsetting. As a parent, as a human being, but especially as a mother, I'm like you. She should be arrested. This is outrageous. Like, that person is unhinged." – (17:54)
Amy on the bachelorette vetting process:
"There is no way that they were unaware of this tape. They knew, and they just said, we're gonna shut it down." – (22:01)
On the Cornhole Champion case:
"This is madness. Like, this is... And so they did catch him, right?" – Alisa Donovan, (27:20)
"This is a TV movie, this is a documentary. This is something." – Amy, (28:21)
"For a person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he did, to throw it all away in this way." – Alisa, (28:30)
This episode delivers a multi-layered exploration of crime stories exemplifying the strange, tragic, and sensational aspects of American media and justice right now. With Amy Robach and Alisa Donovan’s dynamic exchange, listeners are given an engaging look behind the headlines—from the heartbreak of missing persons to the public reckoning for influencer-activists, and the sheer strangeness of a quadruple amputee murder suspect. The episode closes with both hosts eager to hear from listeners and tease future discussions on true crime and legal drama.
(For more info or to submit case tips, listeners are encouraged to contact the show via social media or the "Legally Brunette" podcast feed.)