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Amy Robach
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TJ Holmes
Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, April 14, and on the day that Congress came back from recess, not one, but two members of the House of Representatives said they would be resigning. These two guys just happen to be accused of behaving pretty badly. One of them is even possibly facing a criminal charge. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and tj. Well, these things sure developed quickly. Robes. Oh, yeah, there's a shutdown, by the way. But so much of the focus of them finally coming back has to do with two members that they were trying to get out of there.
Amy Robach
Yeah, I can't even think of the last time I've remembered in this video. Big of a headline having at least even one member of Congress resigning. But to have two in the same day and two who have been embattled, I guess would be perhaps the best way to put it. Of course, we're talking about California Congressman Eric Swalwell and Texas Congressman Tony Gonzalez. Both of their names have, let's just say, been in the headlines lately.
TJ Holmes
You know, they've been making headlines on their own before this latest headline about resignation. Of course, we'll get into what the politics of this means and we'll get into some of the details of robes, their announcements, what was in there, and in particular what was not. Coming up in just a moment. But yes, both of these men. Which one you want to start with, Gonzalez or Swalwell?
Earn Your Leisure Host
Let's.
Amy Robach
Let's Swalwell, because I would say he's been the bigger. Yes. The most recent and. And the bigger headline of them all.
TJ Holmes
So here we go. From last Thursday to Monday. What happened to this guy is that he went from a front runner for the Democratic to be governor of California. He went from a Democratic front runner in that race to here we are on Monday. Robes. He is out of that race. He is going to be out of Congress and facing a criminal investigation. We have seen some falls from grace before. This was an absolute nosedive. The likes of which robes, all the ones we've seen. You can go through Diddy and Weinstein and stuff we've seen that happened over time. Robes. This was immediate, like we've quite never seen. And so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that yesterday we got the announcement that he was going to be leaving Congress.
Amy Robach
It didn't seem like there was any other option. Yes, to your point, this was swift and severe. To go from Thursday to Monday that short of a period of time to go from having one job, possibly having one of the biggest jobs in politics, Governor of California, to literally having nothing and perhaps having your own freedom hanging in the balance with criminal. A criminal investigation into rape charges. I mean, these are serious allegations. And it happened just before 6pm yesterday. We finally got the official word from Eric Swalwell that he in fact was leaving Congress.
TJ Holmes
Let's put this together now. Since last, since Friday, this would be his third statement.
Amy Robach
And they've changed in significant ways just a little.
TJ Holmes
The, the first one was the video defending himself. The next one was saying, I getting out of the race for governor of California. And this is his third one now saying he's leaving Congress.
Amy Robach
Yeah, he went from defiant to apologetic to really, really apologetic. I mean, that's kind of what the through line has been. But this was his official announcement on X. I am deeply sorry to my family, staff and constituents for mistakes and judgment I've made in my past. I will fight the serious false allegation made against me. However, I must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes did make. I am aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion vote against me and other members. Expelling anyone in Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong. But it's also wrong for my constituents to have me distracted from my duties. Therefore, I plan to resign my seat in Congress. We don't know when he's going to step down. But he did say in that statement, he went on to say that he's going to work with his staff to ensure that his staff can serve the needs of the good people of the 14th congressional district.
TJ Holmes
You know, he's. I think he's right on that point about expulsion. To do so, to kick them out without due process is probably that that's a fair thing he said. Why he felt the need to say it, I don't know. But he said it. He's right and he said it. I love that he said right after that. It's also wrong for me to stick around and when I'm distracted. So he's probably right on both counts. But Robes, an effort was potentially underway. They had launched an investigation in the House and the Ethics Committee of him. There's a criminal investigation going on of him. He's going to be fighting all of this stuff. There's no way he can continue to serve. So like you said, Robes, the writing was on the wall. What is not so clear is when he is going to give up this seat.
Amy Robach
That's right. There is actually a little bit of a process that has to take place.
TJ Holmes
It's crazy. The clock is ticking.
Amy Robach
Yes, he has to submit a letter to the House Speaker, Mike Johnson. And then the House clerk will read aloud his letter of resignation on the floor when chamber is in session. Look, chamber is officially in session today, so could it happen as early as today? Some folks say possibly, but it's unclear on his timing. But that all has to formally take place before his resignation is accepted.
TJ Holmes
Oh, but then they're, they're on a clock in California. There are specific rules and dates of when you can have a special election to fill the seat. And if you don't have that by a certain time, it moves down to the election and all these things have to happen. And Gavin Newsom's going to be involved in this mess now. So the, the thing is, I, I don't know who you've read robes that might be expecting his resignation anytime soon, but I bet there are people now playing a little chicken with the numbers and that we can't have him resign before Tony Gonzalez resigns because that's going to mess with the numbers between Democrats and Republicans. Rose, there is some behind. I know what's supposed to be paramount here, number one, top of everybody's mind should be the survivors, the criminal investigation, making sure that part is taken care of. But man, there is some politicking going in to these resignations.
Amy Robach
Politics trumps any sort of victim's rights. We've seen that happen time and time again, from Jeffrey Epstein to you name it. But yes, Governor Newsom is actually the one who will decide whether or not there will be a special election to replace Saul. Well, and whether or not that would happen, if it happens at all, before the midterm elections. So, yes, he's, he's got to be coordinating with. I don't even know who to try and figure this mess out.
TJ Holmes
They're all figuring out because right ropes. He can't fill a seat or do anything if a seat isn't open. So he can't start his process yet. But you better believe Swalwell's campaign or Swalwell the governor's office and Hakeem Jeffrey's office are in conversation.
Amy Robach
They're all working it out.
TJ Holmes
They're in conversation.
Amy Robach
Yes. Because look, even though. So we know that on Monday the House Ethics Committee officially said it was launching this probe into Swalwell. Obviously, that ends when he resigns because you can only investigate a sitting member of Congress. But we point out he's still facing that criminal investigation that's going on in Manhattan based on his former staffers allegations that she was raped by him in a Manhattan hotel room in 2024. He's got this DHS probe against him where they're looking into his nanny's legal status. She's a Brazilian national. And then we have other women now coming forward. The Manhattan DA's office actually put out a, an ask, hey, if anyone else has had any issues with this guy, come tell us about it. There's even a press conference today in California with another woman who's coming forward who says she has allegations of serious sexual misconduct by Swalwell. So I have.
TJ Holmes
How many details have they given? I haven't looked into that one. Have they said much yet?
Amy Robach
They have not. So they're actually holding it. Look, Lisa Bloom, who is Gloria Allred's daughter and this is like the mother daughter team who has for decades now been the face of a lot of female victims when it comes to sexual assault. So she knows this drill. So, yes, she's piqued interest but hasn't given, I say Lisa Bloom hasn't given much details, just that this other woman has serious sexual misconduct allegations that have not yet been made public. And so 9:30am Pacific time in Beverly Hills, we're going to hear from this other woman who claims to have some serious allegations. So it's far from over for Swalwell. And look, he had no choice but to resign. It seems with everything that's swirling around
TJ Holmes
him, yes, this was the way to go. I mean, it's just, I mean, don't even. This is an allegation. It's a very serious allegation. But I guess if there was a one off allegation, it's one thing. But there's now this drumbeat of you can't half.
Amy Robach
No.
TJ Holmes
A number of women come forward suggesting the same type of. Now you've been labeled. It's a pattern, it's a thing. And it's not just he was cheating on his wife. This is not the kind of stuff we're talking about. We're talking about some unwanted behavior, criminal behavior. You can't survive that.
Amy Robach
You cannot. And someone else who could not survive his scandal, Congressman Tony Gonzalez. Although his timeline took much, much longer than Swalwell's. When we come back, we, we will tell you about Congressman Gonzalez's decision to resign and what may happen next for him.
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What's up? I'm Miles Turner.
Brianna Stewart
And I'm Brianna Stewart.
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And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has
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never been done before.
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Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court.
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Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests.
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Amy Robach
Welcome back, everyone, to this episode of Amy and tj where we have not one, but two congressmen resigning from their positions. And it just so happens one is a Republican and one is a Democrat. And so. Well, isn't that convenient for folks who were concerned about a potential imbalance in Congress if only one party lost a seat versus the other? With margins as tight as they are,
TJ Holmes
it keeps them from having to set off an expulsion race. Right? You. You kick out one of our. Are going to try to kick out one of yours. Both of them have decided now they are going to leave Congress. The win is a big deal. The win. You were about to talk about Tony Gonzalez now, but Roach, Tony Gonzalez, remember, he didn't even want to get out of his primary race. Yeah, he stayed in there when these accusations were coming up.
Amy Robach
He denied, denied, denied for quite some time that he even had any kind of relationship with this staffer. And just to get you caught up with Tony Gonzalez, his situation, situation is very dark. So he eventually admitted to having an affair with A female staffer of his who was married. His. Her husband had been speaking out quite a bit, was even threatening to reveal more text messages if Representative Gonzalez didn't finally admit to this affair. But unfortunately this had a really dark, horrific ending. She ended up dying by suicide. And the way she died by suicide, she set herself on fire. This was a huge story. And to have it come back to a member of Congress who she was having an affair with, I mean, this is just awful. And it's surprising he survived as long as he did.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, he stayed in that primary like you said. Denied, Denied. He finally admitted. Did he admit right before, right after he went. It was right before he went before voters? Yeah, he. I can see him sitting in that desk and he did this interview in which he came out and said, yes, he behaved inappropriately and was hoping the voters were going to forgive him. They did not. Now he has stuck around though. Robes. That was last. When did that happen? Well, last month when.
Amy Robach
Oh, she died. Over a year. It was last fall.
TJ Holmes
So this has been talked about at least for a little while. But he hasn't given any indication, even after he lost the race that he was going to be leaving Congress.
Amy Robach
No, he dropped his bid for reelection last month and again it took him quite some time. He dragged his feet on that. He was really trying to stay in. But we finally heard from him on X yesterday. This is what he put out as his official statement. There is a season for everything and God has a plan for us all. When Congress returns tomorrow, I will file my retirement from office. It has been my privilege to serve the great people of Texas. So by that announcement he is claiming that that would mean today, according to this statement, he would be filing his retirement.
TJ Holmes
What does that mean, sweetness?
Amy Robach
I don't know. I guess this would be the moment where he would give that letter of resignation.
TJ Holmes
Yeah, My, my dad filed his retirement months ago and he's going to be on the job until June. So what I'm saying is. I thought that was interesting language. He's not resigning from Congress. He is filing for retirement. Now what does that mean? Robes? I actually do not know. I haven't seen anybody break down. But he used a very different set of words than Swalwell did. Resigning, retiring. There's got to be a reason for
Amy Robach
that distinction, the coordination too. I, it's. It's hard to imagine that this hasn't all been at least attempted to be pre negotiated because this could and has the potential for being an incredible mess just in terms of each party wanting to have or retain the same amount of votes or the same position of power. This is a tough, tough spot. In terms of the timing, though, it's interesting. It ended up being because we had heard from Representative Anna Paulina Luna from Florida who said she was going to put or at least introduce a resolution to expel both Gonzalez and Swalwell. She was joined by Democrat Teresa Fernandez. That would have potentially triggered an expulsion vote as early as Wednesday. So these guys, it seems like they might have wanted to get ahead of any of that. That would never look good. And certainly we heard Wallwell talk about his opinion about those potential votes because that does create a slippery slope.
TJ Holmes
They don't like this because a lot of them, you could argue in this era of social media, robes, any little thing, if you accidentally cut a old lady off in traffic, they could post that video and all of a sudden you are an elderly hater who does not deserve to represent the people of the great state of Blank. And they try to get you out. It's that type of thing. They don't want to be tiptoeing around this. We can expel. Wait a minute. We can get expelled for having an affair.
Cheryl Strayed
Whoa.
Amy Robach
Well, that would be interesting, wouldn't it?
TJ Holmes
Whoa.
Nick, Dick and Pole Show Host
Yeah.
TJ Holmes
So that's why this might not happen. But they are, there are some that are threatening robes. Some members of Congress are giving them a deadline that you, you're going to have to. This needs to say effective immediately. We need to know or moving forward with the expulsion vote. Expulsion vote. That ain't, that ain't bad.
Amy Robach
Well, I agree. And there should be some clarity and maybe they will find some. You know, I have faith in, in our lawmakers and in Congress to come to a decision and make an announcement and have it be clear and defective immediately and enforceable. Those things that we expect from our leaders, our elected leaders.
TJ Holmes
You know, the shutdown is what, 60 days now?
Amy Robach
We are still, we're not even talking about the shutdown.
TJ Holmes
Not even the basic function of government is not happening. We have been in a shutdown for 60 days now, and we are at war and we are kicking people out of Congress and we are doing everything else. Ropes. Yeah. We want to hop on and give you all this update because it's an extraordinary one to get these two on the same day. But the story does not end Rome with their announcements. Still some questions about when they might actually leave Congress. We always appreciate you spending some time with us, though. For my dear amy Robach, I'm T.J. holmes. We will talk to you all soon.
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In the wnba, we talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey, man, we got a call last night, man, you. You can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games check
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Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
Air Date: April 14, 2026
Hosts: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes
In this charged episode, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes dive into the breaking news that two sitting members of Congress—California Democrat Eric Swalwell and Texas Republican Tony Gonzalez—have announced their resignations on the same day. Both resignations follow separate, highly publicized scandals. The hosts break down the political and procedural implications, the accelerating timeline of events, and how these resignations impact both Congress and the broader sociopolitical landscape.
Timeline of Events:
Nature of Allegations & Statements:
Procedural Next Steps:
TJ Holmes (03:51):
“We have seen some falls from grace before. This was an absolute nosedive...This was immediate, like we've quite never seen.”
Amy Robach (05:33, quoting Swalwell):
“Expelling anyone in Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong. But it's also wrong for my constituents to have me distracted from my duties.”
Amy Robach (17:10, summarizing Gonzalez's scandal):
“Unfortunately, this had a really dark, horrific ending. She ended up dying by suicide. And the way she died by suicide, she set herself on fire. This was a huge story.”
AJ Holmes (21:27):
“We can get expelled for having an affair?”
(In reference to the slippery slope of future expulsion resolutions.)
The episode captures a chaotic moment in American politics: unprecedented, parallel resignations due to deeply personal—and, in Swalwell’s case, criminal—scandals. Robach and Holmes lay out the timeline, probe the behind-the-scenes party strategies, and question how lawmakers and the broader system will navigate these waves of crisis, even as government itself stands paralyzed by shutdown. The story is still developing, with many unanswered questions about what comes next for Congress, accountability, and the American public’s faith in its institutions.