E464 Cats at Holidays Parties and Movie Magic Milkshakes

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Cats at Holiday Parties and Movie Magic Milkshakes"

And That's Why We Drink – Episode 464
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz
Date: December 28, 2025

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Overview

In this lively and hilariously spooky episode, Christine and Em celebrate the weirdness of the holidays, share updates about their own lives (especially of the furry variety), and dig into what they do best: one explores the ghosts haunting a famous L.A. theater, while the other recounts a wild true crime tale from the Roaring Twenties. Expect playful banter, a roomful of inside jokes, and some genuinely jaw-dropping historical revelations.

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Main Themes & Topics

• Holidays with pets & awkward party stories
• Behind-the-scenes production quirks (including live shows)
• Haunted Hollywood: The Ghosts of the Pantages Theater
• The True Crime Case of Clara Phillips, aka the "Tiger Woman"
• Recurring motifs: drinking games, live show nervousness, and the enduring value of a good milkshake (or smoothie in disguise)

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Starting Off: Holiday Chaos & Show Energy (02:02–05:41)

• Christine and Em joke about choosing their live show walk-out music.
• Christine recounts mishaps with her pets—her dog Gio’s escapades and the ordeal of leash-walking her new cat, Juniper.
  • Christine: “I want to give him options, okay?” (04:51)
• The hosts poke fun at their own professionalism ("We're professionals, right Em?" "Yes." – 02:32) and the reality of backstage nerves ("We were…sprawled out on the couches, like, hyperventilating…" – 02:35).

2. Audience Engagement: Why Do You Drink? & Drinking Game Rules (05:47–10:31)

• They ask the audience, "Why do you drink?" with Christine sharing pet stories and Em citing marathon travels for live shows.
• The hosts outline a drinking game for the audience:
  • Drink when Christine gasps, Em clears their throat, someone mentions "sweet baby Gio," or references sweating profusely.
  • Double drink for calling out "Hello, friends!" (09:34).
• Joking instructions: “Basically, you’re just gonna get really drunk.” – Em (08:58)

3. Ghost Story: The Haunted Pantages Theater (10:34–53:15)

History of the Pantages Theater (10:43–20:33)

• Built in 1930; once part of Alexander Pantages’ 80-theater circuit and later home to Hollywood’s glitziest events, including the Academy Awards (18:19).
• Scandals: Pantages’ assault accusation, court case, and subsequent sale of the theater (14:53–17:41).
• Restoration and modern status, with The Lion King’s success funding renovations (19:45–20:33).
  • Christine: "We're in the wrong industry, man." (20:33)

Paranormal Encounters

• Howard Hughes' Ghost:
  • Seen in a "smart suit" on the balcony and near his old office (21:59; 24:19).
  • Staff experience cold winds, the smell of cigar smoke (despite his reported hatred of cigars), unexplained banging, and drawers opening/closing (24:48–27:12).
  • Christine’s theory: “Maybe he really loved [cigars].” (26:24)
• The Woman in the Auditorium:
  • Died onstage in 1932, now sings (sometimes louder than living performers), especially during “Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat” (29:34–33:14).
  • Her voice has been caught on mics and monitors, unnerving staff and audiences.
• Other Apparitions:
  • Women in 1930s garb vanish mid-gossip in restrooms (22:59–23:29).
  • A little girl sings show tunes and turns lights back on after staff leave (49:01–49:14).
  • Ghost dog barks, brushes past people, and comforts them—beloved by staff (46:07–47:27).
  • Polite but strict “shadow man” appears if staff aren’t working (50:13–50:59).
  • Man in a hat (possibly Alexander Pantages) seen without torso or legs, floating in seats—“the creepiest one” (52:17–53:13).
• Memorable Line: “Imagine being like, oh, the room's empty. No...no, it's not.” – Christine (29:08)

Notable Audience Interaction:

• Christine is called out for gasping; Em’s throat-clearing triggers more drinking.
• Hosts connect historical figures and ghosts to personal quirks and inside jokes, e.g., repeatedly referencing “sweet baby Gio.”
• Christine about ghostly gossip: “Like, what did Angela do? I need to know!” (23:15)

4. True Crime Deep Dive: Clara Phillips, “Tiger Woman” (56:27–88:32)

Background (56:27–64:44)

• 1920s L.A., chorus girls Clara and Peggy reconnect after performing at the Pantages. Clara suspects her husband, Armour, is unfaithful with Alberta Meadows, a young widow.
• Christine brings up the era’s prevalence of young marriages and women’s jealousy (“She married him when she was, I think, 14. Woof, woof indeed.” – 64:27).

Murder & Infamy (67:34–80:43)

• Clara buys a hammer ("Is it heavy enough to kill a woman?" – 67:47) and, after setting up a fake shopping trip, bludgeons Alberta to death, then rolls a boulder onto her body (74:08).
• Christine: “...she rolls a fucking 50 pound boulder onto her chest to be like, well, this way she's really dead.” (74:33)
• Clara drags Peggy into her alibi, threatens her, and cleans up before returning to her doting husband, proclaiming, “Darling, I have killed the one you love most… now I’m going to cook you the best supper you ever had.” (76:29)

Trial, Escape, and Aftermath (80:43–88:32)

• At trial, Clara tries to pin the murder on Peggy; male jurors reportedly swayed by Clara’s looks, female jurors want her hanged (81:18–81:45).
• She is convicted of second-degree murder, then escapes jail with six hacksaws (!), but is recaptured in Honduras (82:04–83:29).
• While imprisoned: finds religion, trains as a dental technician, learns saxophone, writes a play (“Thank you, Clara, for your contributions to the arts. A Renaissance woman.” – 83:29).
• Released after 12 years due to a parole deal, greeted by crowds shouting "Tiger Woman!" (86:38).
• Gets divorced, while her ex-husband racks up his own list of run-ins with the law.

Best Quote – Clara's Jailhouse Interview (84:31):

“I don’t know whether I killed Alberta Meadows or not, but if I did, I did it for mother love… Armour L. Phillips is my baby… and when I realized he was being taken from me, I fought, fought, fought so that I might always have him.”
— Clara Phillips, dramatic jailhouse reading (84:31–85:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We're professionals, right Em?" – Christine (02:32)
• "Raise your hand. Okay. Here, here, here, here." – Christine, inviting audience participation (03:26)
• “I want to give him options, okay.” – Christine, justifying cat leash (04:51)
• "People have heard heavy footsteps in the hallways. When they're alone, they feel someone bump into them multiple times...which I guess I do." – Em (49:15)
• “We just want you to tell us what to do at this point, so this is a cry for help.” – Em (28:47)
• "[Clara] bought a hammer for 15 cents. ... She asked the clerk if he thought it was heavy enough to kill a woman.” – Christine (67:45)
• “Now I'm going to cook you the best supper you ever had.” – Christine quoting Clara (76:29)
• “She found religion... she trained to be a dental technician… she wrote and directed a play called A Satire of Stage Life... she organized a seven-piece orchestra.” – Christine listing Clara’s jail activities (83:31)
• “If you dream it, believe it.” – Christine reciting a “Disney quote” with dark irony (68:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 02:02 | Show start, walk-on music, holiday pet mishaps | | 05:47 | Why Do You Drink? hosts & audience stories | | 08:36 | Live show drinking game explained | | 10:34 | Em's haunted Pantages Theater story begins | | 14:53 | The Alexander Pantages scandal | | 21:59 | Howard Hughes’ ghost and other apparitions | | 29:34 | Ghostly woman who died onstage now singing | | 46:07 | The ghost dog and other spirits described | | 50:13 | The “polite” shadow man who polices the staff | | 52:17 | Man in a hat ghost (with missing torso/legs) | | 56:27 | Christine’s "Tiger Woman" true crime story begins | | 67:45 | Clara buys “the hammer” & murder unfolds | | 84:31 | Clara’s dramatic jailhouse "mother love" interview | | 86:38 | Clara’s release from prison; crowds greet her |

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Conclusion & Final Notes

This episode is a perfect showcase of Christine and Em’s chemistry—mixing their signature wit, horror, and historical intrigue. Audiences get stories ranging from ghostly gossip in a grand old Hollywood theater to the jaw-dropping criminal exploits of a jealous chorus girl. The live show setting amplifies the energy and audience interaction, while their unscripted style leads to plenty of laughs and memorable one-liners. It’s the ideal blend of creepy, comedic, and chaotically charming—the very reason “And That’s Why We Drink.”

For more eerie tales and true crime, pour yourself a glass (or a milkshake) and listen to the whole episode!

Transcript

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A comedian use it earlier and we were like, oh, my God, why did we not think of that? So we stole it. It's ours now.

[B]

It was between that and yeah and yeah by Usher. Yeah. You know what this means?

[A]

We might do a remix. We'll see. Hi, guys. Oh, my God, I'm so happy we're back. We did our first show here last month and then we did a show in Irvine and Now we're back. And now it's our third show, so we're professionals, right, Em?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Yes, you can tell that.

[B]

But we were as equally nervous upstairs. We were, like, sprawled out on the couches, like, hyperventilating to be down here, so. Yeah, in a good way. In a good way.

[A]

Yeah, the employees love that when we just sprawl around and hyperventilate on their.

[B]

Well, poor Eva had to deal with us like Zen breathing, but not in a cute way.

[A]

No, it wasn't cute. It really wasn't.

[B]

Did anyone come to the first show here?

[A]

Some people, so. Okay, wait, so whose first show of ours ever is this? Wow.

[B]

You got a better response than me.

[A]

Oh, my. Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Oh, that's a lot of people. Well, you're in for a real weird night.

[B]

So why do you drink?

[A]

Me? Yeah. Oh, I thought we were asking everybody.

[B]

Oh, yeah. One by one.

[A]

One by one.

[B]

Raise your hand. Okay.

[A]

Here, here, here, here. Now, I really racked my brain for this one. At first I was like, oh, I'll probably tell you about how I almost broke my foot trying to hang a curtain after a couple glasses of wine. And then I was like, no, that's pretty cliche. So then I was like, what if I tell you about how Gio ran into the road?

[B]

Oh, that's a good one.

[A]

Last night and the night before.

[B]

Wait, again.

[A]

Twice. And I didn't notice because I was asleep on the couch. He somehow got out and just barked at the window until I noticed and saw him running around the front yard. I could tell you about that, but I won't. Oh, too late.

[B]

But that was quite a tease.

[A]

Instead, I'm going to tell you this fun thing, which is just the most tragic news of all. So Blaze and I got. So we got a cat recently. His name's Juniper, and we bought him a leash today. We put a harness on him.

[B]

Did you take him outside?

[A]

We walked him in the backyard. And I immediately thought, oh, no, I am that person.

[B]

Well, hang on, hang on. Here's the most psychopathic thing about that.

[A]

Oh, tell me, please.

[B]

Is that she got a leash for a cat to take him outside when she already has an outdoor mesh cage for the car so he can already run outside without a leash. You're kind of going backwards and forwards at the same time.

[A]

I want to give him options. Okay.

[B]

We recently. What was the. We had a party.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Allison threw us a surprise party. Jesus.

[A]

Yeah, thanks, Allison.

[B]

No, we had a party. There was a bunch of people, and they're like, what's that thing in the corner? We were like, oh, that's where the cat goes outside. Casey wants joy.

[A]

Jungle gym. Okay, I'm sorry. I just realized I was one of those people and I had to, like, have a. More a moment of mourning for the times when I wasn't like a cat person. And now I am, so it's too late for me. So why do you drink this week? I don't know if you can top that, though. That was pretty dark.

[B]

Oh, I drink because this morning I was in New York. Oh, boy. Well, this week, this weekend.

[A]

Boy, are your arms tired. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[B]

We've had four live shows and that joke's been used twice already.

[A]

And I regret nothing.

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This weekend I was in Massachusetts, Chicago and New York.

[A]

That's really awesome.

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And I woke up today at 2:30 in the morning in California. Time to get here. And I've been traveling for 10 hours and I have a sore throat from traveling, so everyone should feel bad for me.

[A]

I was like, you're guilting everybody. It's a little bit kind of awful.

[B]

Well, I just wanted to. Those are all the reasons I drink. I didn't want to pick one, so.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Well, anyway, so I. Eva has. I'm just going to spread the secret here. This is supposed to be a milkshake, but Eva has masked it. It's actually a smoothie to make me feel better. So it was actually.

[A]

She's like, I brought an in and out cup to make it look like a milkshake. We were like, you're the bet to fool you all. We don't deserve you, Eva. Yes, we don't.

[B]

So here's movie magic. It's actually a smoothie, so you never would have known. That being said, I have a ghost story.

[A]

Oh, man. I got real nervous.

[B]

I don't know.

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I got real nervous.

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Let's go.

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Go home. Oh.

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[B]

Let'S see, let's see.

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Let's see if this list works, because.

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We didn't try it first. Okay, so we have a drinking game.

[A]

Yeah, you guys, we have a drinking game. I actually love that this is mostly new people who haven't participated.

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Yeah, I asked who has been here before because I didn't know if you guys knew the rules yet. So, all right, so basically.

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All right, write this down. This is important.

[B]

Basically, you're just going to get really drunk.

[A]

So sorry.

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Anytime. Christine gasps.

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It's not going to happen.

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Anytime I clear my throat. My sore. Poor, poor throat. Listen. Beep boop bop. Any reference to sweet baby G. Too late.

[A]

I already did that like eight times.

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And any reference to sweating profusely, which we should have started doing a half an hour ago.

[A]

I sort of feel like slightly targeted by these, but it's fine.

[B]

I do this every time. So you do drink twice.

[A]

Oh, okay. I didn't even make this game, but I'll pretend like I came up with it.

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Just say hello.

[A]

I'm a professional. Okay, so you have to drink twice if we say, hello, friends. Oh, thank God. Okay. I always get super nervous that people will be like, hello.

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Yeah, the last time I said hello, and there was quite a pause and I was like, read it on. At least Read it.

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We were like, they probably bought tickets to the wrong show.

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They're like, hi. Hello.

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Okay. English isn't my first language, but it really isn't. So I don't know why we're, like, commenting.

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You.

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Yeah.

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Cause it's easy.

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Sassy the clown talking about easy targets.

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Anytime we tell Eva what to do.

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Yeah. Eva, write that down.

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Which we've already done. I think we already fired her three times today.

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We did. We did. And then we rehired her, but she bounces back.

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She's good. She does.

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It's good. It's all good.

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All right.

[A]

So that's the name of our show. It's called. And that's why we drink. Yep. We never say it, so sometimes.

[B]

Okay. We'll say it a couple times, I'm.

[A]

Sure, during the show.

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All right, here's my story, guys. Who has heard of the Pantages theater? You should.

[A]

I have.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you.

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I tried to find something relatively local. So it is 11 blocks north and 38 blocks east. I think that's pretty local. That's, like, super specific. I Google mapped it and then counted the blocks.

[A]

Okay. I was about to say that's not like, an increment measure on Google Maps.

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I don't think 12 minutes away from here, so I thought that was pretty.

[A]

I don't know why you counted the blocks. That's pretty.

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I like to prove to people that I do some research relatively.

[A]

Oh, you count things. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Got it. Also, this is going to be a fun game for everyone. I know you came here to see me really do this on a whim, so that's what you're going to get, because I did these before this weekend when I had this big trip, so I don't really remember much of the story, so. Great. There are gonna be a few times where even I'm like, whoa.

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Those are actually my favorite M stories.

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When we're both surprised. I'm like, even I don't believe it.

[A]

That is the who did these notes.

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Okay.

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What is. Christine. Can you believe it?

[B]

Eva did them. Eva did them.

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Eva.

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So, all right, let's crack into it.

[A]

Oh, man. All right. You're, like, reappropriating that phrase that you stopped using for a year.

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I tell myself I'm never gonna use it, but it's. It's the cross I bear, so. All right, There's a pretty picture of it. Start you out happy.

[A]

Oh, man. It's so beautiful.

[B]

Let you know what it looks like currently.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

Here's a little fun Fact slash history for you.

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All right, I'm repositioning. Don't mind me.

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Okay, I'll wait.

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There we go.

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You get like the whole table if. I'm sorry. I'm just. You really just took over.

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Sorry.

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I'll just stay out here. So it is considered one of the most beautiful theaters in the world. Is 110ft wide. Just the lobby, by the way. 110ft wide, 60ft deep. Three grand. Grand, not crand. Three grand chandeliers, two 20 foot wide staircases, grand balconies, and an orchestra pit. That's really so. Like, I have that in my house. So, like, it's not here.

[A]

That's so dramatic.

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Downstairs in the powder rooms and in the women.

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Powder rooms.

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In the women's lounge. Several lounge. Except just two, because apparently back then there were only two genders, so.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

But the women's one was decorated with black leather walls. Again, in my house, so.

[A]

Talk about a classy powder wall.

[B]

They just ripped me off. So it was actually the last theater that vaudeville and film producer Alexander Pantages built for his 80 theater circuit. So he had 80 of these guys.

[A]

Jesus. Wait, what year was this? Did we already say that?

[B]

Mm. Mm. Oh, we're getting there.

[A]

Sorry, I'm jumping ahead.

[B]

This particular building, when he first built it, cost $1.25 million. Then, which was the 30s, to answer your question.

[A]

Oh, there we go.

[B]

So the reason your birthday got mentioned is because the Pantages theater was opened June 4, your birthday, 1930.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It had 2,812 seats. And it used to show films and popular musical skits.

[A]

Musical skits?

[B]

Just skits. Not like a full show. Not like a full shebang. Just like a skit.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I don't know why that's funny.

[A]

It's not funny. I just don't know what it means.

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Me either.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So there it is. In the olden days. Oh.

[A]

Clive. Brooke. Yeah.

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In 1929, we're Mickey Mouse.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I didn't read this.

[A]

I'm gonna be honest. Our stories have some crossover today. Em.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You don't even know it, but we have some crossover.

[B]

I don't even know how Mickey Mouse is involved in a serial killer, but I'm excited to find out.

[A]

Serial killer? I thought you meant yours. I was like, you're stealing my. That's my half.

[B]

No, no, no. Okay, well, we'll find out. To be determined. I'll forgive you. In 1929, the year before, the market had crashed, and so plans for 10 more floors of office space above the theater were discontinued, but it was supposed to be even more massive and prestigious than it already was. Alexander Pantages was accused of assaulting one of the dancers.

[A]

What? A dick.

[B]

Named Eunice Pringle.

[A]

Eunice Pringle. I'm sorry. That was really distracting. That's her name.

[B]

Every time I see Eunice, I just think of. She's the man. I'm like, eunice.

[A]

Eunice. Wasn't that the name? Encourage the cowardly dog?

[B]

Oh, yeah, that was the.

[A]

The grandma.

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The grandma. Yeah.

[A]

No, Eustace. You're right, Eustace.

[B]

See, she knows.

[A]

You know what? I don't know anything. Sorry, I'm treading on your. Your story. I'm sorry.

[B]

No, I. You're only enhancing it.

[A]

Eunice Pringles.

[B]

So, wow. Okay, so William Randolph Hearst. So in the LA examiner, he wrote Alexander Pantages as a cold foreigner because he had recently come from Greece. That is the funniest thing of this whole story.

[A]

Like, a cold foreigner. What a. Like, weird.

[B]

Well, like, cold. Not cold. Like, icy. Like. Okay, so here's the thing.

[A]

What?

[B]

Oh, I don't know. I just feel like I should reiterate cold for myself. Well, yes, because he was reporting on the fact that he assaulted someone. And so he was reporting about him as like, oh, he's not a nice guy.

[A]

Okay, got it.

[B]

And a foreigner.

[A]

Got it, got it, got it.

[B]

Just to throw it in there. And Eunice was written about as an innocent victim.

[A]

Okay, fair, Fair.

[B]

He ended up being convicted in 1931, and he appealed and then was found not guilty. Drink?

[A]

Oh, shit. I really tried. I really did. I was really trying.

[B]

It sounded very easily. It escaped quite. Without any.

[A]

Quite freely. Yes, you're right. I really didn't put a hold on it. I'm sorry.

[B]

Oh, I thought someone was raising their hand like they had a question.

[A]

They're like, I finally thought of why I drink this week, and I want to tell you.

[B]

Okay, so after he was found not guilty, they ended up looking at the evidence again and found out that Alexander Pantages was actually. Actually was not guilty. And Yunus was hired by one of the big guys, Joseph Kennedy, who controlled rko, was paid off by him to make a false claim against Alexander Pantages because he had turned down Joseph's offer when he asked to buy out all the theaters. So.

[A]

Whoa, I thought you're gonna say his offer for sex. And I was like, this is becoming like a HBO special. But that's also pretty dramatic.

[B]

I mean, That's a wild story we can roll with. But I don't have that in the notes, so I think pretend that that's it. It's just safe if I keep going on what's on the page.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

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Okay.

[B]

So his reputation was still shot, and his finances took a huge hit, and he wound up selling his theaters to RKO anyway the next year.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So really, he could have just sold them to begin with and have skipped all that, but he chose.

[A]

But why not be dramatic?

[B]

So the Pantages.

[A]

He's probably a Gemini. I'm sorry. I can't stop myself. I'm sorry.

[B]

You're a Gemini. So I know. The Pantages theater became mainly a movie house, and it only had occasional musicals at this point. And in 1949, it was acquired by Archao Pictures and became the Archaeopantages RKO Pantages. My notes say to switch slides now. Oh, gonna do that. Oh, that's fun, isn't it?

[A]

It's fancy.

[B]

So it became the theater for the Academy awards for 11 years.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It hosted celebrities such as Bob Hope, Fred Astaire, Jerry Lewis, Angela Lansbury, Shirley MacLaine, Dean Martin, Charlton Heston, John Wayne, Bette Davis, and Doris Day.

[A]

So, like Bette Davis.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

No, I was just going. And. No, you're right. Even if you're wrong, I'm just gonna say you're right. I think you're right.

[A]

I'm not wrong.

[B]

Eva, edit this out. So. And.

[A]

What if we just scripted all this to be like, a lot of.

[B]

People are staring me dead in the eyes when they drink. And that's the weird part. They're like, I know. I know you did this. What's happening?

[A]

They're like, you've done this to me. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

[B]

In 1953, it held the first ever televised Academy Awards, and it was home to the Oscars, like I said, for 11 years. And only changed venues because the Oscars got so big, they needed a different place.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, I lost. I lost where I was. Oh, here we are. In 1954, they ended up selling it out. And in the 60s, Pacific Theaters bought out Pantages to be renovated into only a stage theater. And in 1977, it closed as a movie theater and is now only a stage theater.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So in 2000, it was fully restored, and it cost $10 million to restore it.

[A]

That's nice.

[B]

And it was.

[A]

Sorry, it's a lot of money.

[B]

I mean. Yeah, it is not chump change. So it was spent to Clean the entire place. Like, take everything, like, all the chandeliers and replace them. Or clean them. Replacing authentic parts. Rebuilding the stage for Broadway touring companies. And they actually built the original 10 floors that they were supposed to build back in the 30s.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So the stage play, the Disney's Lion King, that play came to. You know, it's a little thing.

[A]

It's, like, a little famous.

[B]

It came to the Pantages and was so successful that that show alone got the theater to make all of their $10 million back.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

And a profit.

[A]

We're in the wrong industry, man.

[B]

And that's all I have about the history. So let's just talk about ghosts.

[A]

Let's do it. Let's. Let's.

[B]

Let's just fold that part away.

[A]

Just get rid of that.

[B]

No one ever needs to say it again.

[A]

Oh, God. Blech.

[B]

All right, so first ghost is of Howard Hughes.

[A]

Oh, I know him.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause he was in my notes. Who was he? I'm just kidding. I'll just.

[A]

I actually don't remember him being in your notes. I just know who he is.

[B]

Oh, good for you. I didn't know who he was.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I was like.

[A]

I didn't know there would be a pop quiz.

[B]

I said it and felt mean. I was like, oh, I should not do that.

[A]

We'll talk about this later.

[B]

I know. So he was involved in RKO pictures, and he was very regularly at the building for decades. Long time. Yeah, long, long time. So his ghost is probably one of the most prominent ones that anyone sees. He's seen from the stage. So, like, when you're on stage, you can see him in the seats. He's usually in the last row of the balcony. And there have been a few times where security has been trying to clean out all the seats at the end of the day to, like, have people leave and they've seen him up there and have had to walk up and say, you have to leave. And by the time they get up there, he's already faded away.

[A]

That's spooky.

[B]

There are also sightings of. There are sightings of him walking up the aisle during performances as if to exit through the back. Like, he's, like, not playing pleased with the show.

[A]

Oh, that's actually my nightmare.

[B]

Yeah. There could be a ghost doing that right now.

[A]

There's that exit sign. Oh, I would just. Oh, I would just die.

[B]

There are also a lot of ushers who have said that they'll hold the door for him, and then he'll just vanish. Right before he gets to the door.

[A]

How? This guy just sounds rude.

[B]

He's like, I've got another way to get out of here, but thanks.

[A]

Thanks, but no thanks.

[B]

There have been so many sightings of him that the historical marker in front of the building actually mentions his ghost, which I think is fun. Yeah. Okay. Trust me then.

[A]

Actually, that was so fun. I can't even process how fun that was. No, it was. It was so fun.

[B]

It was so fun that no one reacted.

[A]

It was really. We all had a good time.

[B]

Okay, so the staff regularly see women walking in the balcony or going to the ladies room in old fashioned clothing. And they disappear mid gossip with each other. Mid gossip, which is just so mean to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like as an eavesdropping.

[A]

You're like, what did Angela do? I need to know.

[B]

Imagine you're in the bathroom and you hear. And then. And then poof. And I'm like, what?

[A]

What? You're like, you will never believe what happened next.

[B]

And then you'll never know. And I'm like, but I wanna. Oh, man.

[A]

That's actually pretty. Pretty evil.

[B]

There are also women who will walk into the bathroom and in the corner of their eye, they will see women dressed in 1930s clothes looking at themselves in the mirror and putting on makeup.

[A]

Oh, that's fun.

[B]

And then you turn around to check on them and they're gone. Like just in the corner of your eye. It's less threatening that way. I think I would still be so scared.

[A]

Yeah, I was like, I don't know.

[B]

I wonder if she's the one they're gossiping about. Oh, like that bitch in her makeup. Look at them. That bitch in her makeup, always, I'm.

[A]

Telling you, always reapplying her lips.

[B]

If anyone knows good ghost gossip, it's me. So.

[A]

Yeah, Angela, we know.

[B]

Look how pretty that place is.

[A]

It is very beautiful.

[B]

So back to Hughes. He has been seen, in, quote, a smart suit.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Roaming where his old office was. And he walks through a wall which used to be the original doorway to his office.

[A]

Oh, creepy.

[B]

Which follows. Like that blueprint kind of thing.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cool. Otherwise I was gonna skim by and you're all gonna be like, what? What is that?

[A]

Cool. Moving along.

[B]

Staff have reported a gush of cold air whiz right past them when they're in the office, even when the AC isn't on. And they'll feel like a breeze hit them on full blast.

[A]

That's kind of nice though.

[B]

But is he bull. Rushing you? Is he, like, I mean, getting you or is he blowing in your face?

[A]

Yeah, that's gross.

[B]

I really don't know where the. Where the icy wind comes from, but it's such a.

[A]

Listen, Em, I'm really funny, and you just kind of have to get used to it. And I know it's hard for you to sit there and, like, listen.

[B]

It's really hard to live in your shadow.

[A]

It is. I know. I know it must be really hard.

[B]

Anyway, people get cold sometimes. The staff.

[A]

Oh, help me. Okay, go on.

[B]

The staff regularly smell cigar smoke, which I looked everywhere, and it says, which Hughes despised cigars.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

But, like, enough. Here's the thing. Apparently he hated them enough that in the afterlife, that's what he chose to smell like.

[A]

That doesn't make any sense.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, well, okay, maybe hold on.

[C]

Cause my.

[A]

I have no. This isn't my story.

[B]

Because my thought was, like, okay, another ghost smoke cigars? Not like, maybe a live person was smoking cigars, but, like, if there's another ghost who likes cigars, right, Maybe that would be the smell. However, apparently he daily mentioned how much he hates cigars. And so now apparently they smell cigars all the time and they think, oh, that must be him. But that's, like, the stupidest thing.

[A]

Okay, but maybe I have a theory.

[B]

All right, let's hear it.

[A]

Here we go. Here's what happened. So I think what happened is he was like, I hate this so much because he really loved it so much, you know?

[B]

All right.

[A]

Like, he was like, oh, fuck cigars. But in his mind, he was like.

[B]

I just want a guilty part, like a guilty pleasure.

[A]

And you know how people are, like, super. Like, they stand up for something. Like, they, like, are super outspoken about something they hate because, like, secretly they kind of love it. So I think that's what it is, and that's my theory.

[B]

That's a fair theory. That's a fair theory.

[A]

Wow, that was powerful.

[B]

We are all moved now.

[A]

You're welcome, Matt.

[B]

Anyway, supposedly you regularly smell cigar smoke coming from where his office used to be. And according to Christine's theory, which could.

[A]

Be accurate, is the correct theory. Theory.

[B]

Oh, you also hear unexplained banging noises, like someone is opening and closing desk drawers. Apparently, you'll hear, like, the clinking of the brass handles. And you'll actually hear, like, someone shoving the drawers shut. You'll hear, like, pens in the cup moving around like he's still working, which sounds like true. Hell.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

He's like, that's awful.

[B]

People will check the room because they're convinced that someone's in there shuffling things around, but the room is empty and very cold. So back to the cold thing. After a break in that happened in the 90s, the upper balcony was damaged, which was right next to his office, and activity increased as if the ghosts were really mad or upset, like, really protective of the territory.

[A]

Okay, okay, got it.

[B]

We're on board then.

[A]

I think that makes sense to me.

[B]

So the manager has said that the spirits got very angry at that point, and activity on the second floor increased. And there is now regularly loud banging all over the building. Loud yelling in your ear, which I don't like.

[A]

Me neither.

[B]

And one former employee says that they even heard a frustrated man's voice in the conference room, which used to be his office, but a voice that was clearly mad and upset. I don't know.

[A]

Like, what? That sounds very sad. Like, I don't.

[B]

It sounds like he's, like, still working really hard. He does not need to be.

[A]

And is, like, smoking too many cigars.

[B]

Or not enough or. I mean, maybe he doesn't.

[A]

Who's to say? Guys, it's not us.

[B]

This is why we do the live shows. We just want you to tell us what to do at this point.

[A]

So this is a cry for help.

[B]

Also, apparently someone has actually seen a figure of a shadow jump out at them as if to, like, play peekaboo. Like to. No, that's intentionally to be like, ah, gotcha.

[A]

Yeah, that's fucking awful.

[B]

No, imagine being like, oh, the room's empty. No, no, it's not.

[A]

And they're like, I thought this would be fun and endearing. Like, fuck you, ghost. That's not cute.

[B]

You're right. You're right.

[A]

No, it's not. Just mean. I'm already mad about it.

[B]

Where was I? Oh, yeah, here we are. So in 1932, there was a woman who died on stage during a show.

[A]

What?

[B]

So, Christine, uh. Oh, good luck.

[A]

Dun, dun, dun.

[B]

Make it through this.

[A]

This is awful.

[B]

Also, there's no more information than that, which I feel like, as a company, you should have. You should have more information.

[A]

If something happens to me tonight, somebody at least better write, like, an article about it.

[B]

Like, at least post it on Instagram.

[A]

Just put it on buzzfeed or something.

[B]

They said potentially she was a singer with stage fright and she died on stage, which becomes me, not you, all of a sudden.

[A]

It's like, that's actually just the most upsetting thing I ever heard. She's like, I have Such a story. But I'll overcome it, and I'll get there.

[B]

I believe in myself.

[A]

How awful. That's the most awful thing I ever heard.

[B]

It's just, like, even more embarrassing because it was a public. Everyone saw, like. Everyone saw you.

[A]

What if everyone sees me embarrass myself? No, everyone will see you die.

[B]

Especially, like, horrible. All your friends and family, like, oh, you'll do great. And they're like, oh. Oh, no. This is exactly the opposite of what we told them.

[A]

It's really bad. It makes me feel really sad for her.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And yet I can't stop laughing because it's just so absurd. Okay. I'm just.

[B]

I just imagine the guilt we would give, like. Like Allison or Blaze or Eva. And they're like, oh, you're gonna do so good. And then, like, our bodies are like.

[A]

I would haunt them forever.

[B]

They're like, oh, how dare you. So just another angle. And if your eyes got bored, so give you a little look. See, I wanted to look like. I did my research.

[A]

Apparently, it looks like that.

[B]

It looks like this place.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So at night, the voice of a woman is heard singing in the auditorium.

[A]

Is that her?

[B]

ME thinks so.

[A]

I guess. I'm sorry. I spoke too soon.

[B]

Which is ironic because, like, if she died of stage fright, now she's killing it. Like, oh, Whoops. But she is.

[A]

You're an idiot. Oh, man. Oh, boy.

[B]

But also, that makes me think, like, what if I die of stage fright? Which is possible. And, like. And then you're gonna thrive afterwards.

[A]

I mean, I guess you're living out your afterlife.

[B]

I don't know. We'll see where life takes me and afterlife. So the voice. This is how they know that she's been singing in the auditorium. Besides, like, just, like, annoying people. She. Her voice, I imagine it's annoying.

[A]

I imagine it's very annoying.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so apparently the voice has been picked up on mic many times.

[A]

Oh, shit.

[B]

On stage while other live people are singing.

[A]

How irritating. That's what I'm saying.

[B]

That's gotta be the most frustrating thing. Like, I'm. You had your moment. You didn't make it. It's my turn.

[A]

That's like some podcaster coming up here and talking into a microphone while we're trying to.

[B]

It's like, stupid show. Yeah. You get it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's rude.

[B]

She also, apparently her. Her voice carries over the monitor louder than other people's voices. So it's like everyone else is like, la, la, la. And she's like, la, la, la. Just to make sure you know what's going on.

[A]

Wow. I identify with her so much, though. But can you hear me, though? Oh, my God, I love her.

[B]

She's a Gemini.

[A]

Yes. Thank you.

[B]

Apparently, she, like, without fail, will always show up during Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat. Everyone's got a jam. That's hers. That's fine.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So good. And everyone in the audience heard. Everyone in the audience heard. And then it also got caught on the monitor. They were like, who's that fucking voice? And it was her.

[A]

Was she singing a song from that or was she singing like a totally different. Can you imagine? She's singing like cats and they're like.

[B]

No, I hope she was singing pony.

[A]

That I would. That's the only thing she's before her time. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So one time, a wardrobe lady actually had an experience with her where she was the last to leave the theater. Always the worst person in these stories. And she walked towards an exit, and the emergency lights all went out.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Like she's in pitch black in a haunted theater.

[A]

Fantastic.

[C]

Awesome.

[A]

She.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Woohoo.

[B]

She walked towards a. She walked towards the exit, like, trying. Stumbling around, trying to find her way. And she bumped into what felt like an ice cold person. Oh. And she couldn't find her way out. So she's kind of grabbed onto this thing.

[A]

She's like, okay.

[B]

She's like, you'll do. You'll. I'll figure it out.

[A]

Carry me to safety.

[B]

So in the pitch black, she grabbed what felt like their elbow and they walked her to the front. And with a quote, firm cold hand on her lower back, guided her through the building. So it's like, thanks.

[A]

What?

[B]

But no thanks.

[A]

I mean, to be fair, she grabbed this lady's elbow.

[B]

I mean, she was. She was like, you're. You're my ticket out of here.

[A]

Lead me. I mean, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like if I was reaching for something and realized it was cold and moving, I'd be like, mm, mm. I'll just stay lost. I'll just stay lost.

[A]

I'll just sit here in the dark.

[B]

So sorry. I thought she was coming for me, and I.

[A]

And this isn't about you.

[B]

You know, Christine was going to town on some nachos upstairs.

[A]

Don't. Why. Why do you turn this on me?

[B]

Well, I saw. Cause I was like, oh, I have an issue. And then I was like, oh, Christine did.

[A]

They were really good nachos.

[B]

That's what it looked like.

[A]

I did eat almost all of them in Four minutes.

[B]

We literally. Okay. So Christine got her nachos, and then we looked at our clocks and we were like, oh, we have to be down there in seven minutes. And Christine was like, I got.

[A]

Was actually embarrassing because they came out of the bathroom and was like, where are they? They're all gone.

[B]

They were very good. Oh, where were we? Oh, yeah. She still lost in the theater.

[A]

Okay. I was just busy with nachos.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know why I felt the need to call you out. No.

[A]

Either end.

[B]

I just felt embarrassed. And I was like, well, you're going down with me.

[A]

That's really fair. Like, we really can't do that to each other.

[B]

That's friendship.

[A]

We could destroy that.

[B]

No, no, we're done. We're done. Now I'm done.

[A]

I'm saving everything for much, you know, too much huge future stories.

[B]

So. Yeah. So let's talk about someone else. It's not me.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So this girl is lost in the dark and grabbing a cold.

[A]

Human corpses. Right. Good.

[B]

Yeah, probably.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So the cold hand guided her towards the door. And once you, like, push the door open, you know how the light comes in. She opened the door. You know how, like, things work, you.

[A]

Know, like physics and nature.

[B]

I'm trying to be, like, creative in my storytelling.

[C]

It didn't.

[B]

Like.

[A]

I thought it was very creative.

[B]

She opened the door, the light flooded in, and then she still felt the hand on her and looked over and no one was there. And then before it totally faded away, she felt something like, like, press on her back, like, scratch her to be like, oh, no, I'm still here.

[A]

Ew. Ew.

[B]

Like, you're not thinking. You're not thinking wrong. I'm here. You just can't see me.

[A]

Aha.

[B]

And then went away.

[A]

What a creepo.

[B]

What?

[A]

What a creepo.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like that would be me, though.

[A]

You'd be like, ha, ha.

[B]

Like, I'd be really helpful. But then I'd be like, oh, no, you're gonna think about this one later.

[A]

You'll never forget how helpful I was.

[B]

You have to appreciate this. Where was I?

[A]

Who knows? Anyone?

[B]

Anyone wanna take over?

[A]

Hello? It works. Clink. Yeah, I don't know what the hell that was.

[B]

I don't know. I'm used to recording and I've already finished my drink. So then I have to, like, clink with my finger. All right.

[A]

Clink. Clink.

[B]

Oh, yeah. We were moving on to another. Another spirit. Potential demon. You guys ready? Okay. Imagine if they're like, no, what if.

[A]

It was just silent?

[B]

It's like, can you get, like, going on this? All right. Oh, I. I cleared my throat. I don't know if anyone wants to drink.

[A]

Oh, yeah, drink. I'm sorry.

[B]

Sorry. I'm a. I'm not sorry. Have a good time. So a tall male apparition regularly walks down the hall into Hughes old office. Many say he.

[A]

You did it again.

[B]

God, I have a sore throat. Okay.

[A]

It sounds like you're just rubbing it.

[B]

In, but it's like I'm asking for it. Really. I'm like, Did you hear that?

[A]

God damn it, Em.

[B]

Now you're starting to sound like Christine.

[A]

Yeah, it's actually a little weird to hear my voice being thrown across the room.

[B]

So. Others say he also looks very dashing. However, he's in a different suit. So they're like, maybe that's Alexander Pantages himself.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which is interesting that he's going into someone else's office. I think that's funny.

[A]

It's hilarious.

[B]

Well, just, like, fuck around.

[A]

Yeah. No, it is.

[B]

I mean, when you've got eternity, you might as well just go mess with people's stuff. That's why. Yeah, I imagine that's what all goes.

[A]

To put a stapler in some Jello. I'm sorry. I was like, what do people do in each other's offices?

[B]

I see the connection now. That's actually funny.

[A]

Oh, I'm glad you did. I did find it funny.

[B]

I know. I was like, that's funny. But I don't know how you got there. And then I was like, oh, now I see it.

[A]

That's hysterical. It was a really, like, quick fire jump for me.

[B]

It wasn't you, it was me. I was like, oh. Oh, good job.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

You should be the front runner in this comedy show.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

If you're not already. I mean, so.

[A]

What?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

What?

[B]

I don't know. I haven't slept since 2:30.

[A]

I don't want to call you out because you're sick. Just keep talking. Em, you're hilarious. We love you.

[B]

I know. I know.

[C]

I am.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So, yeah, you can hear the sounds of his bookshelves moving in the middle of the night, which I have actually seen in real life. I've seen a bookshelf move by itself.

[A]

What?

[B]

And that is bananas.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

I mean, it literally looked like two grown men shoving it, but the two grown men were.

[A]

Where were you?

[B]

I was in Yorktown Beach.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

A bookshelf move. Why I don't know why, but I do know. Here's the. Here's the weird part about that. This was a house that. This was when I was doing investigations and.

[A]

Oh, casual, you know, investigations.

[B]

And there was one house that we previously, the night before, were able to get into. And then we went the next night. We couldn't get into it. We didn't know why the door wouldn't open. This time with the key. And the door felt safe, stuck. And then the next day, we went in through another door, and the bookshelf was in front of the door.

[A]

What?

[B]

Like it didn't want us in there. And this is a house that has been not lived in for, like, 50 years.

[A]

Like, so it's not like I don't like that.

[B]

Like, no one. No one did that. That's alive. Okay. I'm just saying.

[A]

Oh, man. That's gross.

[B]

So anyway, this bookshelf also moves.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Per experience. I believe this part of the story with 100%. You can hear books and papers being shuffled. I said you can hear pens moving in the cup. But there have been times where pens get thrown at people. That's what got you.

[A]

Yeah. It's funny.

[B]

They've also heard, like, the cup flower fall and all the pens spill out, and they've heard a grown man say, ah, shit.

[A]

That is for show me as a ghost. Oh, shit. Oh. Oh. We're moving on.

[B]

No. Oh. I just. I just really wanted you guys to get a real 360 look on this place, apparently.

[A]

Oh, this is. Oh, it's beautiful.

[B]

Same place. I know this is the. The right side.

[A]

I mean, to be fair, it's very beautiful.

[B]

It is.

[A]

You guys, if you're listening at home, Google Pantages Theater, I just feel bad.

[B]

We're gonna be putting this on the air, I guess.

[A]

Ow.

[B]

This is how we figured. Did you just hit your tooth on the mic?

[A]

No, I'm very new at this.

[B]

You know what, to be fair, though, I can't laugh at you because we were standing behind that door to get introduced, and the door fucking slammed into my face.

[A]

Entire face got hit by a door.

[B]

And I heard Christine and Eva both go, oh. And, like, not help me. They're just like, are you okay?

[A]

Now you're on your own.

[B]

That hit me good, too.

[A]

Yeah, it hit you right in the face.

[B]

Okay, so we're even now.

[A]

Okay. I mean, mine was, like, in front.

[B]

Of a bunch of people, but, like, that girl with the stage fright. Oh, you're making your way.

[A]

So my worst nightmares there have Been.

[B]

A lot of employees in the auditorium that were by themselves, poor choice. And they heard soft, slow clapping from the balcony as if he's like, what a dick. I imagine he's doing that face too, of like.

[A]

He's like, I guess, like, fuck, keep it really rude. That's what we're gonna get at the end of this show. They were just like, when we leave.

[B]

There'S gonna be one person.

[A]

Why are we here?

[B]

And they're not even alive.

[A]

And it's Eva.

[B]

And it's Eva.

[A]

I'm still here.

[B]

Eva, clap for us at the end, please. Drink.

[A]

Oh, shit. I don't even notice it anymore.

[B]

I'm trying not to say what. Oh, I was going la, la, la. Because I was trying not to say the thing that makes people drink.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you're all going ping pic.

[B]

Oh, my. I really don't know where I am. Oh, a voice has been picked up on the mic. That was not the singer. It was a man laughing to himself.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or not to himself. We only just got one voice. He could have been laughing at several people. But for all we know, he was like. Just thought he was really funny. Like, I think about myself. So everyone in the audience also heard a laugh. So, like, people are hearing people not there singing. They are hearing people not there laughing. And then when everyone goes home, the monitors will turn on by themselves and you can hear other voices of people that are not in the theater having conversations with each other. I bet it's those gossipy witches.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

They're like, now that we have the stage, for sure. Let's talk about Becky again.

[A]

Yes, that's correct.

[B]

I like when you laugh. See, it's so fun. You know, we got an email today and someone said that my laugh sounds like a dolphin.

[A]

Yeah. The actual subject was laugh regarding M's laugh. And I was. Well, I was like, uh, oh, I hope I don't have to delete this before Em sees.

[B]

Oh, my ego was really high.

[A]

Well, no, I thought it was gonna be mean.

[B]

No, I went the other direction. I was like, oh. I was like, I can't wait for a compliment. And then I opened the email and it was like, m sounds like a dolphin.

[A]

And I was like. It actually said, m sounds like Flipper. Yeah.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I was like, m sounds like Flipper the dolphin.

[B]

I was like, that checks out. You're not really wrong.

[A]

I was like, oh, yeah. Actually, kind of.

[B]

So where were we? God, Em, I can't get my shit together. Oh, I even purchased this color for you.

[A]

Did I did. Okay.

[B]

Are you ready for a good one?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So in 2013, the owner was reported to know of at least seven ghosts in the building. One of them who is a dog. That's a. Whoa. What a wild assortment of reactions. Weird mix like, oh, woo.

[A]

Some like, cat calls going on.

[B]

Yeah. Although there is no hard evidence, everyone who has ever been been there by themselves has heard a dog bark and has heard a. Has felt a tail, like, walk past them, which is.

[A]

Oh, I did gasp. I gasped. I did. I did do it.

[B]

I was like, geo.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Oh, drink. Sorry.

[A]

It's really easy game.

[B]

Really. You could stop whenever, like, we get it.

[A]

We're not trying to give you alcohol poisoning.

[B]

And as of the 2000s, there are no longer allowed to be investigations because the theater owners know that there are spirits there. They've had enough stories from enough people where they know for a fact that there are ghosts and they just don't want to disrespect them. So they've taken out investigations. So they just go off of people's stories now from when they're around. But most people who have worked there have experienced the dog at least once.

[A]

Aww.

[B]

And apparently when you're by yourself, if you get scared, you can hear the dog panting next to you.

[A]

Aw, baby.

[C]

Sweet baby, baby.

[A]

So that counts as a GEO reference, I think. Sweet baby, baby.

[B]

Guys, this weekend I'm babysitting him. I'm gonna have such a killer time.

[A]

All right. You'll see it on the Instagram, I'm sure. God damn.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Thank you for dog sitting my dog. I appreciate it.

[B]

You're just so welcome. I call it Snugglefest 2018.

[A]

It's actually em has already created a hashtag. It's my nightmare, truly.

[B]

I always text Christine and I'm like, I can't wait for my VIP ticket to the Snugglefest.

[A]

That's literally not an exaggeration. I get that text maybe three times a week.

[B]

I also regularly text her. I'm like, christine, he's my best friend. He's actually my best friend. She's like, I asked if you wanted me to make you dinner when you.

[A]

Were at 6 in the morning. I'm trying. Yeah, actually, it's truly a nightmare.

[B]

You're welcome. Thank you. If I'm your nightmare. You've got quite a life. You've got such a good life.

[A]

So great life.

[B]

Oh, when the theater seats. This is a funny one. When the theater seats need to be replaced. I guess one of the Routines that they do is they'll put tape on each chair to know which ones need to be replaced. And in the middle of the night, they'll change the tape. So you have to, like, figure out what chair. So you still have to go through and sit in 2,800 chairs. Oh, my God.

[A]

I can't decide what ghost I want to be. I want to be all of them.

[B]

Another one of the seven ghosts is a little girl who sings show tunes in the hallways.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

The staff will regularly turn off lights, and then the lights will come right back on as soon as they leave the door. So I have to just keep going back and forth, which sounds like a real dick move.

[A]

Yeah, it's really rude.

[B]

People have heard heavy footsteps in the hallways. When they're alone, they feel someone bump into them multiple times. Like, they'll just be walking, go, oh, sorry to nothing. Which I guess I do.

[A]

I was gonna say that seems like pretty standard. You just got hit by a door.

[B]

Like, 20 minutes ago. And I apologized, I think, to the door, too, probably. A lot of people have felt a child squeeze their hands, and they've also. This is the weird part. Mothers have kept holding the hand because they looked down and saw a child and thought it was their own, like, waiting in line to go into a show. And then they see their kid over there, and they're like, yuck, Yuck. Oh. Music will play in empty rooms, and when you stop to check or look at the speakers, nobody is in the control room. And a lot of the spirits will make sure that the building is being treated well and work is getting done.

[A]

So. Oh, boy.

[B]

Like I said, a lot of the spirits are very protective of the area, and they like to make sure that the work is actually getting done. So if the staff are not working, they will find a polite shadow man either watching them from the doorway or politely banging on the walls next to them. Like, if there's a wall here, it'll bang right here. So you go, whoa. And, like, realize you should get off your phone, which I assume is what they're doing.

[A]

That doesn't seem very polite.

[B]

No. But also, he will stand behind you and tap on your shoulder, and you'll turn around and see a shadow man tapping on your shoulder to be like, get to work. But apparently, he's only ever there when you're not working, so it's kind of just, like, keep you in line. If you do your work, you never see him, so there's your reward.

[A]

He has a nice straw hat.

[B]

I would see him all the time if I was working there. They also see the ghosts of multiple well dressed men walking around the corners into dead ends. And people will follow the person and nobody is there when they get to the dead end. The spirits will watch over construction in the building. In 2000, during a lot of the restoration, there was a painter that was restoring the theater auditorium. And Hughes was seen walking over the scene scaffolding and onto the balcony. And when the workman asked what he wanted, he just stared at him and then vanished and then pointed at a picture of like, oh, who's that guy? I saw him earlier and it was Hughes. Another worker that day complained that a man in a hat climbed down from the balcony to the scaffolding and stopped at where he was working. And the man in the hat leaned over the painter's shoulder to inspect clothes closely at his work. And later he overheard the painter, the one in the first story he later overheard. Another electrician was also complaining about a man who was leaning over him too closely to watch him work. And he was also a man in a hat. They all discovered that the man leaning over them very intensely was the same person. And they all quit that day, which was the smartest thing they could have ever done.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

And another usher was cleaning out the theater after a matinee looked at the seats and saw the same man in a hat that was about to leave. He went to the man, and the man then came back and sat down and waited for the usher to approach him. So, like, intelligently saw him coming?

[A]

No.

[B]

The usher got up to him and said, you need to leave the theater. The matinee's over. He blankly stared for what felt like an eternity. And when the usher looked down at him sitting in the seat, realized he had no torso.

[A]

Listen.

[B]

He also had no legs, in case anyone's wondering if it was just the midsection.

[A]

Well, I did. I thought he was just invisible in the middle. He had no legs.

[B]

No, he had nothing below his chest at all. And he was just floating in the seat, staring at him like torso.

[A]

Related conversations.

[B]

And he was also a man in a hat. So apparently the man in the hat is the creepiest one.

[A]

Mm. Mm.

[B]

But that is all the ghosts.

[A]

Thank you, Em. Oh, man. Good job, Em.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

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[B]

Don't worry.

[C]

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[A]

Ooh, what a mystery. Are you guys ready for a.

[B]

It could be anything.

[A]

True crime story. That's so much fun. Okay, so this is the story of Clara Phillips, AKA the Tiger Woman. I know, it's mysterious. I really. If I knew you would do that, I don't know if I would have.

[B]

I've never heard of her, so.

[A]

Yeah, I know, but I don't.

[B]

I'm ready to be wowed.

[A]

You're gonna be wowed. So actually, I'm gonna take you back to the 20s.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

The roaring 20s as they are. LA. LA is at its prime actually, in the 20s, LA finally reached. I'm sorry, is there a fly? What's happening?

[B]

There's this.

[A]

Are you dancing? Like, what's.

[B]

It's just like really, like interpretive.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

It just. It really likes you. I really just want to smack you.

[A]

In the face because it's like if you fucking touch.

[B]

I mean, I won't. But there were a couple times where I was like, I forgot people were watching you.

[A]

Try your hair. Hands going real close to my face.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I swear to God.

[B]

Roaring 20s. I'm there. I'm back at. I'm there.

[A]

We're in the roaring twenties.

[B]

I'm sorry, are you there? I'm there.

[A]

I'm okay. Get there.

[B]

The fly's there too.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is.

[B]

Take it away, Take it away. Here's the thing.

[A]

We're in the 20s in Los Angeles. LA just reached 1 million residents. Wow. Big city.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Woohoo.

[B]

Cowabunga, dude.

[A]

Wow. This is like rife for M1 liners today. Loving it. Oh, yeah, Loving it.

[B]

I was on a plane for 10 hours a day. I didn't really get to socialize, so, like, feeling real extroverted Sudafed? Yep. Oh, there it is again. There's two of them.

[A]

And I swear to God, that looks like a Geo hair. Where did that come from?

[B]

Drink.

[A]

Oh, God. All right. Also, in the 1920s, speaking of your story, Walt Disney showed up. He showed up on the scene?

[B]

Oh. Just in general.

[A]

Did his jam. You know how he did. Okay. Actually, I'm going to be totally honest with you. I got sucked into Walt Disney's Wikipedia article while I was researching this.

[B]

Isn't it fascinating if you guys don't know anything about Walt Disney and his like, the whole Disney history?

[A]

I mean, it is. And I'm not like a Disney person, but like, wow, it was fascinating. So I got real sucked up in that.

[B]

Have you looked into like the. The like the underground tunnels? That's bananas.

[A]

You know, that's the fun part when you start hitting all the footnotes and you start going, here's the thing.

[B]

I also, I dated someone who worked at Disney. Mm. I can confirm all that. Like. Cause I would be like, is it true? And she's like, oh, yeah, it's really true.

[A]

Secret passageways.

[B]

Yeah. But like, okay, you apparently. Do you know the. There's some X rated stuff going on at Disney in the tunnels, which we're not gonna talk about.

[A]

What? You can't just say there's X rated stuff and we're not gonna talk about it.

[B]

I'm just gonna say people in costumes, it gets. That's all I know. That's all I know.

[A]

What?

[B]

And that's why we drink.

[A]

Jesus. That is why I drink. I mean, I'm out of wine, but. No, I didn't bring a box.

[B]

Your runner isn't here today.

[A]

I thought maybe I did. Eva. I'm sorry, no. Because if I do that, Eva will literally get up and do it.

[B]

Yeah, she's way too nice.

[A]

She would actually do it. No, she's too nice to me.

[B]

She would actually. I'm like ready for like a little person. Just run up here.

[A]

Let me tell you, tell you about this. We're in the 1920s and Walt Disney is there. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So It's July of 1922. A 23 year old woman named Peggy Caffey hit the picture button. Oh, I feel like a grandma hit the big purple button.

[B]

By the way, for my birthday, Christine took me to Nickelodeon Studios and we were trying to. She took me on a tour and there was a bunch of children dancing and she literally.

[A]

What did I do? I don't remember. I was drinking wine.

[B]

It was like a. Bring Your family and friends thing to the studios. And so it was like, on our birthday week. And she was like, do you want to, like, see a bunch of statues of rock as mar in life? And I was like, fuck, yeah. There was a bunch of children dancing in the yard. And she literally goes, blaze. Is that the Bruno Mars? Anyway, here's your fucking picture.

[A]

You're a fucking demon. You're a literal demon.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

Look, this is Peggy, okay? God damn. You are a demon and a half.

[B]

My throat hurts. Carry on.

[A]

Swear to God. This is Peggy. She's 23, and she lives in Long Beach.

[B]

We know where that is.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You're not happy with me?

[A]

I'm not happy with you. No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, okay. She's living in Long Beach. Suddenly, she hears from an old pal she hadn't heard from for a couple years named Clara Phillips. So she. Peggy and Clara had been chorus girls together, and they had actually met two years before when they. A pantagious performance together. I know, right?

[B]

Wow, A lot of full circles here with the Mickey Mouse and the.

[A]

Can I just do this? How do I. Yeah.

[B]

Remember, you go.

[A]

I go. I have to count wrong way. Wrong way.

[B]

Remember, you have to say.

[A]

There it goes.

[B]

There you go. There really is, like, a you.

[A]

We actually had to literally test it out. We go, you have to do it.

[B]

For, like, three eyes of shit.

[A]

Shit.

[B]

There's a whole rhythm.

[A]

So that's Clara. Clara, that's her friend that she had met doing the Pantages show. So it's two years later, and Peggy. I think there's actually a photo. Oh, yeah, there's them in there. Like, that's Clara in her performance outfit. Yeah. What a stunner.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So the two. Okay, so Peggy and Claire had lost touch because Peggy gave up show business to get married and moved to Long Beach. And Clara had kind of continued her show business thing. So it's two years later, Peggy is shopping in Los Angeles, and she runs into Clara and her mother. They kind of get to talking, and they're like, oh, it's been a while since I've seen you. And about a week later, Clara shows up at Peggy's house, and she's like, hey, let's reconnect. Which, by the way, if someone does that, just be like, no, thank you. Because that. I mean, even if it's, like, through Facebook messenger, like, firm pass, like two.

[B]

Ships in the night, right?

[A]

We've moved past that. So she shows up at her doorstep, and she's like, let's go shopping. So in Case, I know you're all wondering. So they did go shopping, and they did go to Woolworths and they did buy slippers. I know you wouldn't you. I know you were wondering. So Peggy was like, well, I didn't notice anything too odd except that Clara was kind of quiet and like meditative. And so she's like, okay, well, we're done with our shopping trip. Let's move on. The next day, Clara shows up at her door again. And this time she's like, I have something to tell you. So, Clara, little backstory. So Clara got married as a teenager to a man named Armour Phillips, who became a successful oil stock salesman in the 20s. So he was like a successful businessman. Sure. And she married him when she was, I think, 14. Woof, woof, woof, woof, indeed. So at this point.

[B]

Wait, what year is this again? The twenties?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that like a. Is that. Is that a normal thing then?

[A]

Yeah, it's fine. This guy goes, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[B]

He's like, oh, I've been there.

[A]

No, no, no. He's like, oh, oh, it's cool. I was there.

[B]

It's not my thing, but it's cool.

[A]

It's fine. It's an nbd.

[B]

All right, I'll rock it.

[A]

It's cool. It's fine. So she was like, super jealous of her husband. And so at this point, she's 23 and she's like, I think my husband has been seeing another woman. And Peggy's like, well, no, of course not. Why would you think that? And she goes, well, I followed him around for several weeks.

[B]

That'll do it. And he was with another 14 year old.

[A]

And she's like, I realized he has been turning his attentions toward a seductive bank clerk named Alberta Meadows. And Alberta was a 21 year old widow whose husband. I know.

[B]

If you're getting married at 14, I mean, that's seven years.

[A]

Her husband had died when she was 19. Oh, that's wrong.

[B]

You gotta go.

[A]

I'm sorry. It's counterintuitive. That's Alberta.

[B]

What we're not gonna do is judge someone on their looks. Listen, I'm sure she has a great heart.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Well, okay, then you guys can judge.

[A]

There's Alberta. Sorry. So, Alberta, Listen, Alberta, she's 21 and she doesn't look 20 like when I was 20.

[B]

I mean, she's aging poorly.

[A]

I mean, to be fair, like, when I was 21, I didn't have a set of pearls like that.

[B]

I mean, Also, to be fair, in the 20s, like, they didn't have Neutrogena, you know, like, she was doing her best with what she had.

[A]

Right. I think she looks beautiful.

[B]

Let's move on. So I feel like those, like, girls in the 30s in the bathroom, you're being that.

[A]

That fucking in the bathroom.

[B]

To be fair, it sounds like you're talking about them, because where we left.

[A]

I told you that they cross over these stories.

[B]

Yeah. Cuz you're like, she says, the Pantages.

[A]

They performed in the Pantages.

[B]

I hear you. I hear you.

[A]

So here's. Here's what happened. Peggy was like, you're probably overanalyzing this. I don't think your husband's cheating. And Clara's like, no, I know that he has been paying to fix up Alberta's car, and he's also bought her a wristwatch watch as a gift.

[B]

But girls can read time in the 20s.

[A]

Oh, gosh. And she was. Apparently Alberta was like, look at this beautiful watch I got. I bought myself for my birthday. And Claire was like, my husband bought that for you. So she was like, real mad. So then she's like, but let's go shopping again. And so Peggy was like, all right. And Clara was kind of like, you know how there's, like, a pair of friends and one of them is kind of like, we're doing this, like, the bossy, like, let's go, let's go, let's go. It's definitely not me.

[B]

No, that's me.

[A]

That's you.

[B]

I'm like, christine, I'm not telling you where we're going, but just be ready on this day. Go.

[A]

So Clara's like, I'm on it. We're going shopping. Clara led them to a hardware store where she bought a hammer for 15 cents.

[B]

Okay, but that's a deal.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

I would also, I would take you to a hardware store, too, if shit was 15 cents.

[A]

I know I'd buy eight of those hammers. Apparently, she asked the clerk if he thought it was heavy enough to kill a woman. And the clerk, thinking it was a joke, said, yes, it is. If you hit her hard enough with it.

[B]

Anything is possible. If you believe.

[A]

What's that Disney quote? Like, dream it and believe it or whatever the fuck. If you dream it, believe it. Yeah, exactly. Obviously, that's what was happening. So Clara bought the hammer for 15 cents. Then they did what you and I would do, or any two pals would really do. After a long day of shopping, they went to a speakeasy in Long beach and had a good time drinking bathtub gin for the rest of the afternoon.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

Clara was. Okay, so as I said, Clara was like dragging Peggy all over town. So finally she's like, peggy, get in the cab and we're going back to la. And Claire's like, okay, but my or Peggy's like, but my husband lives here and I want to go see him. And she was like, too bad, we're going back to la. She was like that friend, you know? So she brought Peggy back to la. Alright, I see what you're doing. I'm just kidding. So Clara bought, brought Peggy back to LA and they incidentally ended up at 9th and Main street outside the bank where Alberta worked, which I looked up on Google Maps. And incidentally, it's now a Nike store. Just do it. Good one, man. He's full of one liners. I love it. So they're waiting outside this bank where she works, right? And they've had several bathtub gin drinks, which I can only imagine is quite a time.

[B]

I bet you can relate.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Listen, in the beginning when we used to record until 5 in the morning, who knew what was gonna happen?

[A]

Who knew, really? My parents are really worried about me. Okay? So finally after. Okay, so they're waiting there for like an hour, they finally see Alberta leaving work and Clara walks up to her. Oh, and they've like met at like a Christmas party or something because her husband like worked with her. And she's like, oh, man, it's so good to see you. Alberta, could you give me and my friend Peggy a ride to my sister's house in Montecito Heights? And Alberta's like, yeah, okay, I guess so. And so the two hop into Alberta's car and when they reach the end of Montecito Drive, which by the way, at that point was like a winding dirt road, like surrounded by wood woods, which nowadays is like, that's not called Los Angeles.

[B]

That's the exact opposite.

[A]

It's literally the exact opposite. But so they were like in this like forested area of Los Angeles. And she's like, hey, do you mind, Alberta, if we pull over and have a private chat?

[B]

Yeah, drive into the city and we'll chat. Let's go to a coffee shop.

[A]

And Alberta's like, okay, sure. So they got out of the car and Clara asks Alberta if her husband, Armour had paid for her new tires on her Ford car that they were driving in. And Alberta's like, no, I bought those tires. And Clara's like, well, what about that watch you're wearing? Who paid for that? And Alberta's like, I paid for that. And I can show you the receipt. And instead of being like, sure, show me.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

Who did that? I love you. Thank you to my new friend. Milkshake is coming next.

[B]

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I. Now I feel like an asshole.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

Joke.

[A]

Give them a round of applause. For real. Thank you. Wow, that was so nice. Thank you. That was so kind. Okay. Whoa. This can make this a lot easier. Okay, okay. So she's like, well, who paid for that watch? She's like, I can show you a receipt. And instead of saying, oh, yeah, why don't you show me a receipt? She pulls that 15 cent hammer out of her coat and check this. Fucking hits her in the forehead with it, like, really hard. Like, I feel like I took, like.

[B]

Hard enough that that hard, man was that hard guy was correct.

[A]

He was like, I gave her advice and she took it.

[B]

I heard what I said. The hardware man, not the hard man.

[A]

Whoops.

[B]

You know what's. Can you. Are you surprised?

[A]

Nobody's surprised. So she hits her right in the fucking forehead.

[B]

Yikes.

[A]

And I know it sounds like a 15 cent hammer, it doesn't seem, but she hit her right in the forehead.

[C]

Got her good.

[A]

Got her good. And so Alberta is still, like, conscious and starts running down the hill. And Peggy, who's, like, in the car.

[B]

This poor girl with her new tires on. Her Ford.

[A]

No, Alberta's Ford.

[B]

Oh, damn. I thought someone was gonna, like, get her.

[A]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Peggy's in the backseat. Like, I didn't sign up for this. You just showed up and performed at the Pantages together. So Peggy's in the back seat and sees Alberta running down the hill, like, covered in blood. So she decides to run in the opposite direction, which fair. But in the article I read that she kind of wrote, she was like, well, I was looking for help. Which also fair. But again, we're in fucking, like, mystical world, Los Angeles, where there's no fucking houses for miles. Like, I don't know what world this is, but so she starts running. She can't find anybody who, like, lives in this part of town, so she kind of, like, turns and sees both of the women running back up the hill toward her. It's like. It's ridiculous. It's. Alberta has, like, blood coming out of her head and Clara is running behind her. So Clara, this is really awful. I don't, like, don't even know how to tell this in a not awful way.

[B]

So.

[A]

So I'm just gonna say it in an awful way. So Clara catches up to Alberta and smashes her fucking head in with a hammer until the hammer breaks and Alberta is dead. And then because that's not enough, she rolls a fucking 50 pound boulder onto her chest to be like, well, this way she's really dead. Like, somehow has the fucking.

[B]

Like, how are you that strong?

[A]

She just has the energy to roll a fucking 50 pound boulder onto her body and is like, okay, that'll do it. The Los Angeles Times article I read was like, when Peggy had finished vomiting on the side of the road. And I was like, oh, no. So when Peggy had finished vomiting on the side of the road, Clara. Clara told her to get back in the car. She told Peggy that if she. I mean, this is like mean girls times 800,000. Like, she's like, get in the car. She told Peggy that if she told anyone about this, even her own husband, she would kill her with a hammer too. So poor Peggy's like, also Peggy's like 22 or 23. And she's like, I don't know what to do. So she goes, clara, like, you're covered in blood. Because Clara was drenched in blood. And Clara says.

[B]

That'S what she said. And it's creepy.

[A]

Clara literally goes, get your handkerchief out and wipe my face off while she's driving the car.

[B]

That's some shit we'd make Eva do.

[A]

Yeah, Eva, wipe this blood off my face. She literally forced Peggy to wipe the blood off her face and then was like, give me your gloves. Cause Peggy was wearing gloves and made her give her her gloves so her hands would be covered because she had blood on her hands. And poor Peggy's like, okay, I guess. And so then Clara fucking dropped Peggy off and drove Alberta's brand new Ford back to her own house, leaving Alberta's body behind. She got home, she's still like covered in blood, even though she's wearing Peggy's gloves. And she throws her arms around her husband armor and she says, with her.

[B]

Bloody hands that are hidden are wrapped.

[A]

Around her husband right now she's covered in blood. She's just crazy. So she's like, give me your gloves so my hands aren't bloody.

[B]

And now she's hugging her husband.

[A]

Yes. So she grabs her husband armor and she says, quote, darling, I have killed the one you love most in this world. Now I'm going to cook you the best supper you ever had. Okay, Em, what do you think it was?

[B]

Was it. Was it his lover?

[A]

No, but what do you think the supper was?

[B]

Was it steak?

[A]

I don't know. It. I'm just wondering.

[B]

I thought. I assumed, like, it. I just had a real.

[A]

I'm like fantasizing, like, what the classic.

[B]

Answer would be like, oh, it's the body that she just. No, God, no, that's not. I would imagine, like.

[A]

No, no. She literally was like, I will Cookie, your favorite fucking meal.

[B]

Oh, she meant that part romantically.

[A]

Yeah. She was like, I've done it. I've killed you.

[B]

I thought in the same deranged version. Oh, no, no, I killed her. And now you're gonna eat it. No. Okay, I need a therapist.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

If you need a minute to catch up, that's fine.

[B]

No, I'm there.

[A]

Okay. No, she just was like. Thought this was like the most romantic gesture of all time.

[B]

Okay, well, I hope then she cooked him steak.

[A]

Let's go with that. Cause they didn't actually tell me. And I was actually really annoyed. Cause I looked at a lot of articles and everyone was like, she cooked him the best meal ever. And I was like, well, why the fuck aren't you?

[B]

If it's the best meal ever, it's newsworthy. Yeah, just write about it.

[A]

If you're gonna know that. If you're gonna know how much of her hands are covered in blood, you gotta tell me what she cooked. So apparently she cooked him the best meal ever. And then meanwhile, police obviously found the body of Alberta and said she was so mangled in, it looked as though she had been attacked by a tiger. So later, when newspapers got this info, they gave Clara. Clara the nickname Tiger Woman.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

So Armour, her husband, is like, oh, fuck. And he panics and he tells Clara, you gotta get out of here. So he drives her to Pomona, they abandon Alberta's car, then they return to LA and Spirit spend the night at a downtown hotel before Armour. Then puts Clara on a train to Arizona. So he's like, goodbye, get out of here. I'll cover for you then. Yeah, I know, right? I know what I mean. She must have cooked a really good steak.

[B]

That sounds like really the best dinner to just alter your mind.

[A]

He's like, so a few hours later, he's like, oh, what have I done? And then he's like, I've made a big mistake. Big mistake. Good one, Em. Good one, Em. I love it. I love it. Write that down, Eva. So they. They drive. Okay? They did drive to Pomona. We already went there.

[B]

We're in Arizona now.

[A]

We're in Arizona. Sure. So they raid, okay. So he goes to the police, and he's like, my fucking wife murdered someone. And they're like, oh, okay. So they raid the train. That's what they said back then. Uh.

[B]

Oh, okay. That's what I say, too.

[A]

I'm okay.

[B]

Whoops.

[A]

They raided the train, and she was arrested. And her child created a sensation. People were literally sending, like, love letters and flowers and candy to her cell because she was like a beautiful, white, rich lady. And they were like, oh, wow. You know, she's like a. She was like, yeah, she was like a media sensation and people were in love with her, but. So here's a newspaper article that says, convicted hammer slayer. Okay. Oh, yeah. She escapes. I'm not allowed to tell you about that yet. Okay, let's stay there.

[B]

Listen, I put the pictures in the order you told me to put the pictures in.

[A]

I think I messed up the order. It's fine.

[B]

I mean, we just got a little sneak.

[A]

It's my fault. Okay? So people were sending letters and flowers, and she was smiling in all her photos. And people were like, her husband was always with her. Like, no, I support her to the end. And then on the fucking stand, Claire has the gall to accuse Peggy, remember Peggy, of being the one to murder her friend. And she's like, no, Peggy bought the hammer, and Peggy was the one who killed Alberta.

[B]

Imagine how jaw dropped. How like, how awful. I know.

[A]

Poor. Poor. Poor fucking Peggy is already, like, traumatized by watching this girl roll a boulder onto this other lady. And then she's like, no, she did it. Poor Peggy. So poor Peggy is like, I really don't have anything to do with it. Now this. Poor Peggy is right. Now this is interesting. So there were. There's, like, a jury. The three women on the jury wanted to see her hanging.

[B]

Peggy.

[A]

Yep. They. No, not Peggy. Peggy. Claire. Claire.

[B]

I was like, what?

[A]

So nobody believed her story about it.

[B]

Got it. Got it.

[A]

Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Everyone was like, you're so full of shit. So. In the 1920s way that you say that. So the three women on the jury wanted to see her hang, but supposedly her smile had softened the hearts of the male jurors. And she was just as sweet.

[B]

She batted her eyes. Yeah. That's all it takes.

[A]

Yeah. What an angel. So the women, the female jurors, compromised on second degree murder. So she was tried and found guilty of second degree murder. And a few days later, I know I already kind of ruined this, but she.

[B]

Let me guess.

[A]

Sawed her way out of her jail. Jail cell and escaped. I know, right?

[B]

Apparently, she's not just a pretty face.

[A]

Guys, I know you all thought it, but she apparently sawed her way out of her jail cell, climbed to the roof and jumped to another building. And then they found six hacksaws in her cell. Apparently. Apparently the fact that she was, like, kind of wealthy and, like, white and pretty, like, she had talked another, like, a guard into kind of helping her with the escape, but still.

[B]

I need a couple hacksaws.

[A]

Just six.

[B]

Don't.

[A]

I only need six.

[B]

You're not getting in trouble. I'm not gonna get in trouble.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Just.

[A]

I'll pay you later. One hacksaw is not enough. So six hacksaws later, she fucking escapes and she's on the lam. So hold on, Let me rearrange this. Okay? All right. Within four months, after a newspaper reporter tipped authorities to her whereabouts, Clara was found in Honduras. Yeah, that's where she'd escaped to. And she was brought back in handcuffs. She was in jail for 12 years. And while behind bars. These are some fun things she did.

[B]

Oh, I can't wait.

[A]

Do you want to know all the things she did in 12 years?

[B]

Yeah. Huh?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Here we go. One, she found religion.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Two, she trained to be a dental technician. Three, she learned to play the saxophone. Four, she wrote and directed a play called A Satire of Stage Life. And five, she organized a seven piece orchestra. Wow. Thank you, Claire, for your contributions to the arts. A Renaissance woman. Thank you indeed. Oh, here we go. This is her missing on the lamp. Sorry.

[B]

It's like all of a sudden, like, I was, like, the prepared one today, and all of a sudden you're, like, doing my eighth grade report.

[A]

It's only because that one headline I didn't realize said that she escaped. And that ruined. I know.

[B]

It was a snowball.

[A]

It ruined the whole thing. I'm sorry. Oh, God. Go away. You're not supposed to see that yet. This is so fun, isn't it? Okay, okay, guys. So she's. Anyway, she's a dental technician who's, like, religious now and has an orchestra or something. So she says in a 1931 jailhouse interview, and I quote, I don't know whether I killed Alberta Meadows or not, but if I did, I did it for mother love. I fought with Alberta on top of Montecito Drive to protect the only love I have ever known. I did what any mother in the world would do if she saw her baby being taken from her.

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

This is a dramatic reading.

[B]

Oh, do you want me to hold that? Anything?

[A]

I don't know how to get this out.

[B]

You just gotta really want it, I think. There you go. Ah, Jesus.

[A]

Thank you. Armor L. Phillips is my baby.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

Her husband.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yep. Armor L. Phillips is my baby. He has been my only baby. He is my very life. And when I realized he was being taken from me, I fought, fought, fought so that I might always have him. I know this is like slam poetry, but.

[B]

But.

[A]

I fought, fought, fought so that I might always have him. Forever now.

[B]

Bow.

[A]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[B]

Really even scared me.

[A]

Wow. That was a wild ride. I feel really weird about that. So she was released in 1935, so after only 12 years. And people in California were pissed off because she had been. Basically, she had been promised a guaranteed parole date because she agreed not to fight her extradition from Honduras. So they were like, okay, well, if you don't fight it, then we'll guarantee to parole you after 12 years. So nobody had a choice. She was paroled after only 12 years in 1935. And when she was released from prison, hundreds of people gathered and shouted, tiger woman. Tiger woman. Which. I don't know what that was supposed to, like, do.

[B]

Support.

[A]

I mean, it sounds like. I'm sure she loved it.

[B]

I mean, at the end, it at.

[C]

Least paints a picture.

[A]

It paints a picture, indeed. And it really plays into my end. That's why we draw. So at least I can just.

[B]

When in doubt, there's the silver lining. It took like, 80 years, and it's.

[A]

Just all for me. Okay, so. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Beep boop bop, shit. Okay, so she actually was supposed to be released earlier, believe it or not, but she had lost some time because she had been writing explicit love letters to a man named Thomas J. Price, who was a young convict working as an electrician. And she was writing a very sexual letter. So they were like, we're gonna add years onto your time. Oh, I know. So she got out after 12 years anyway and moved to San Diego to care for her mother. And three years later, she and Armour, her baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, got divorced.

[B]

Oh, That was a good one.

[A]

So that ended. Incidentally, Armour, her husband, while she was, you know, becoming a dental technician and all this fun stuff she did in jail, he also had a lively time while she was in prison. So at various times, he faced charges for assault at a Christmas party, traffic violations, grand theft auto, and running a bogus film school.

[B]

Who does that remind you?

[A]

Of what?

[B]

Bogus, Bogus film school in general.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

It doesn't remind me of.

[B]

Oh, that's a business school. I was thinking of Trump. I just saw it. Phony school. And I was like. And then I totally neglected film. Whoops.

[A]

So that is the story of Clara. Crazy, crazy Clara. Let's see if I can put this back in.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Anyway, thank you guys so much for coming out to our third live show. We love you so much. It means so much that you're here.

[B]

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[A]

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