Today's guest built an audience of millions before she was old enough to sign a record deal, turned a 30-minute crying freestyle into her debut single, and made one of Gen Z's defining breakup anthems out of a phrase that became its own internet language. But her real story isn't the viral fame or the streams. It's the part that plays like a runaway and teaches like a masterclass: how she left home at 17 to chase music, what it costs to become a person in public, and everything about the business nobody explains until you've already survived it.

And The Writer Is... Nessa Barrett!

In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:

• Why she ran away from home at 17 — a 4AM ticket, six school bags, cops on her trail — to make music

• The truth about "i hope ur miserable until ur dead": she didn't write it, it's not her favorite, and why she sang it anyway

• "pain" — the 30-minute freestyle she cried through in the booth that became her first single

• Why she can't record with Auto-Tune — and what she learned the first time someone handed her a finished song to cut

• Signing to Warner Records on Zoom during Covid — and the messy contract she had to escape first

• "All of my confidence comes from my fans" — the performer who still gets embarrassed easily

• The childhood trauma and the generational cycle she says she's trying to break

• Why she closes her eyes every time she records, and writes a song like she's building a movie

• The lowest point of her career — and how prayer, faith, and going back to her core brought her out of it

• "I've never loved my music as much as this — and I didn't know it could feel this way"

And much more...

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Chapters

0:00 Intro — her whole journey has been public

1:37 The cafeteria TikTok that blew up

2:48 A childhood with no stability

3:45 "A lot of trauma — that's what drove me here"

4:20 Why she chose to be open about her struggles

6:50 Music as her safe place + her dad's makeshift studio

9:22 Her first recording, at four years old

10:56 Walking into a real LA studio, terrified

12:21 Songwriting as a diary

14:17 The tell-all she might publish under an alias

17:30 Join the conversation on Patreon

18:21 Stage fright, bullying, and the voice crack

20:34 "All my confidence comes from my fans"

23:44 From cafeteria TikToks toward LA

28:59 Running away at 4AM — the plane ticket story

32:54 Landing at the Sway House at 17

34:54 First sessions, jxdn, and singing other people's songs

36:34 Why she can't record with Auto-Tune

38:07 NMPA: why publishers fight for songwriters

38:49 Learning to ask for what she wanted in the booth

42:24 "pain" — the 30-minute freestyle that became her first song

45:02 Signing to Warner Records on Zoom

50:19 The public breakup, and hearing old songs differently

51:32 "i hope ur miserable until ur dead" — singer vs. listener

54:07 The truth about who wrote her biggest song

55:50 Breaking away from the influencer label

59:06 Building a sonic world — writing like a movie

63:45 Why she closes her eyes every time she records

64:10 Five movies that shape her sound

65:12 Acting, directing, and what still scares her

68:16 The new era: falling back in love with music

70:18 Rapid fire

71:27 The lowest point — and how she came back

74:49 What younger Nessa would admire most

77:19 A message to her parents

78:55 "I've never loved my music as much as this"

79:31 TAPENOTES: Ross & Joe break down the episode

Credits:

Hosted by Ross Golan

Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad

Edited by Jad Saad

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