The Big Drake Diss Everyone Missed, & The Fall of Chud the Builder

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Drake Diss Everyone Missed & The Fall of Chud the Builder

Andrew Schulz’s Flagrant with Akaash Singh – May 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this unruly and unfiltered episode, the Flagrant crew dives deep into Drake’s highly anticipated triple album Iceman, unpacking its lyrical content, the ongoing Kendrick Lamar beef, and the staggering number of subtle and not-so-subtle disses sprinkled throughout. The second half of the episode pivots to the messy saga of “Chud the Builder,” a provocative streamer whose antics and subsequent arrest spark a broader debate on the boundaries of free speech and antagonism in digital culture.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Wild Stories from the Road: A Comedian’s Vegas Adventure

[00:23 – 11:49]

• The Washed Dads Comedy Tour: The show starts with a hilarious tale about an unnamed friend’s encounter with a porn star in a Las Vegas penthouse. The group roasts their friend for holding onto the story for years and playing coy with salacious details.
• Porn Star Expectations: The guys discuss the perceived expectations when sleeping with a porn star, comparing it to playing basketball against Steph Curry: “If you play one on one with Steph Curry, like, you want to know where he’s pulling from.” (Alex, 06:28)
• “She tried to eat the booty while he was standing up…” The story’s wildest moment is retold with vivid and graphic comedic detail. (Alex, 07:24)
• Comedic Braggadocio: The discussion playfully skewers the friend’s claim of 20-25 minutes of sexual prowess, linking it to bluechew ads and male ego.

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2. Deep Dive: Drake’s Triple Album (Iceman, Habibti, Maid of Honor)

[11:49 – 54:51]

Initial Impressions & Album Structure

• Return to Form: The crew is pleasantly surprised; even self-proclaimed Drake haters admit he’s “back.” (“I want to hate, but Drake is back, bro.” – Miles, 12:41)
• Triple Album Strategy: The release is dissected for its intention: “Old Drake, Drake for women, and new experimental Drake.” (Mark, 23:46)
• Cultural Moment for Toronto: The hosts joke about Toronto regaining pride with this release, hinting at Drake’s impact on the city’s identity.

The Kendrick Beef and How Disses Are Deployed

• Diss Strategy: Drake “didn’t dedicate whole songs—it’s forever beef, snuck in everywhere.” (Alex, 22:25)
• Recency Bias: The hosts reflect on how new impactful music can make fans forget past beefs, referencing rap history, boxing, and Ronda Rousey (Alex, 20:46).
• “Win the War” vs. “Win the Battle”: Analogies to Nas/Jay Z clarify Drake’s long-term standing.

Lyrical Analysis: Breaking Down the Disses

• Biggest Disses Identified (see more in Notable Quotes section):

  • Kendrick (“white kids listen to you because they feel some guilt” – Mark, 26:14)
  • DJ Khaled (“peace and love to everybody”—dodging the Israel/Palestine issue, leading to a critique of performative activism)
  • Rick Ross (“Aiden Ross was streams before Aiden Ross ever streamed” – Mark, 34:50)
  • A$AP Rocky (“your baby mama ain’t even post a single” – Mark, 34:57)
  • J. Cole (“engaged rapper” light jab – Alex, 37:24)
  • Pusha T, Jay Z, Lucian Grainge (contractual, family, and power plays)

• Album Rollout as Chart Play: The crew speculates Drake’s intentional push for historic Billboard charting, likening it to Michael Jackson’s triple-album dominance (23:46).

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3. Cultural & Political Tangents

[54:51 – 86:59]

Cars for Kids Exposé

• Charity Scandal: The hosts lampoon the recent revelations that “Cars for Kids” donations were primarily benefitting Jewish youth organizations and overseas causes, not underprivileged local kids as advertised.
• Jingle Nostalgia: They riff on misleading jingles and memories of learning the truth about various donation campaigns.
• Observations on Branding: Discussion on how brands (Swatch x AP, Genesis by Hyundai) capitalize on scarcity and cultural cachet—linking luxury to accessibility.

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4. The Fall of Chud the Builder: Free Speech or Antagonism?

[59:39 – 79:30]

Who is Chud the Builder?

• Viral controversy: “Chud the Builder” is described as a streamer who provokes Black people with racial slurs to get reactions, streaming violent or antagonistic encounters for attention.
• Dangerous Escalation: His arrest for shooting at someone after one such confrontation outside a Tennessee courthouse—while claiming self-defense—spurs a legal and moral debate.

Free Speech, Consequences, and the Internet

• The “Logical Conclusion” of Internet Fame: The hosts discuss how clout and attention incentivize provocateurs, not talent or artistry.
• Freedom of Speech vs. Freedom from Consequences: Legal rights are separated from social repercussions. (“You have freedom of speech, but you’re not free from the repercussions.” – Alex, 67:17)
• Racist Support Networks: The group reacts to the speed at which Chud raised bail funds through supporters—reflecting America’s lingering racism.
• Social Responsibility: They question platforming trolls and the culture around daring progressive lines for nothing but engagement.

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5. Knicks Playoff Superstitions & New York City Banter

[102:19 – End]

• The show ends with classic Flagrant energy – hyped superstitions around the Knicks playoff run, jokes about honeytraps in NYC, and the city’s collective sports psyche.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you play one on one with Steph Curry… you want to know where he’s pulling from.”
  – (Alex, 06:28) on expectations from porn stars

• “Drake is back. It’s heat, bro. If you hate on this album, you’re just a hater.”
  – (Miles, 13:01), summarizing the crew’s verdict on Iceman

• “You don’t have to say the N-word to him. You could just go up to any group of dudes and be like, y’all are [X], and they would try to fight you… It’s not about free speech, it’s about disrespect.”
  – (Mark, 62:30) on antagonistic streaming

• “Why is it glazing to appreciate the person who’s the best at the thing? Am I a Michael Jordan glazer?”
  – (Alex, 14:44)

• “This is the logical conclusion to the internet—if you don’t have the ability to generate attention from skill, you’ll do it based on pure shock.”
  – (Alex, 60:09) on troll streamers

• On DJ Khaled’s silence over Palestine:
  “What would you do if you were Khaled? You gotta join Hamas. That’s the only way, right?”
  – (Alex, 31:01) – delivered as flagrant joke

• “You have the right to say whatever you want, but you’re not free from the repercussions another person might have.”
  – (Alex, 67:17) on speech vs. social consequence

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Notable Timestamps

• [07:24] — “She tried to eat the booty while he was standing up…” (Alex)
• [12:41] — “I want to hate, but Drake is back, bro.” (Miles)
• [13:53] — Toronto gets its pride back with album drop.
• [20:46] — Recency bias and beef impact.
• [22:25] — “I like that it wasn’t whole songs…it’s forever beef.” (Alex)
• [26:14] — Drake’s “white kids listen to you because they feel some guilt” bar (Mark)
• [34:57] — “Your baby mama ain’t even post a single.” (Mark, on Drake's A$AP Rocky jab)
• [37:24] — “I could’ve fell back like the married rapper, but we engaged.” (Drake on J. Cole)
• [59:39] — “Chud the Builder” segment begins.
• [62:30] — “It’s not about free speech, it’s about disrespect.” (Mark)
• [71:53] — Miles on racism: “Imagine that many people willing to support this guy who’s doing obviously racist behavior.”
• [102:19] — Knicks playoff superstition rant: drain the competition (Alex, Mark, Miles)

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Tone and Humor

The episode is packed with Flagrant’s trademark comedy and irreverence. The hosts take serious issues and consistently diffuse them with outlandish analogies, punchy banter, and flagrant outbursts (“Use that throat for good!”). Serious commentary on internet toxicity, racism, and hip hop culture is always couched in meta self-awareness and rapid-fire jokes.

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Overall Takeaways

• Drake’s Iceman is a triumphant comeback filled with clever bars, wide-ranging disses, and strategic album structuring.
• The Kendrick beef isn’t erased, but Drake has regained narrative momentum.
• Internet clout cycles are producing more extreme, dangerous provocateurs like “Chud the Builder,” raising new questions about free speech boundaries.
• The culture of streaming and viral outrage directly impacts real-world consequences—revealing both America’s racism and our obsession with attention over substance.
• Flagrant remains the self-styled “greatest hang,” blending incisive cultural commentary with absolutely flagrant comedy.

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For fans seeking unfiltered discussions and wild cultural hot takes, this episode is quintessential Flagrant.

Transcript

[Alex]

What's up, everybody, and welcome to Flagrance.

[Mark]

Yes, we're back finally for the first time.

[Miles]

This is.

[Alex]

For the first time we have. We have not already done the podcast.

[Mark]

Alex is already hating on Drake, which is pissing me off.

[Alex]

Listen, we're gonna get to the Drake stuff. Yeah, we're gonna get to the Drake stuff. Relax, you. Yeah, you.

[Miles]

Don't turn the pants off me. Just give it at least five minutes.

[Alex]

I'm about to go. The builder, bro.

[Mark]

I'm about to go.

[Alex]

Well, can we get to Drake in one second? We have an important story to tell. We're just wash dads on the road doing comedy. Shout out. Everybody in Salt Lake City and a friend of will remain anonymous. Yes, a friend of ours will remain anonymous. Anonymous. Last tour was with us. Took down a porn star in Las Vegas and did not share this story with us.

[Miles]

Yeah, okay, so this is when I think I was out there too, right?

[Alex]

I mean, if it was a fun city, I would imagine you would find. Oh, I got to record a podcast in Barcelona. Like, yo, we're going to be in Vegas.

[Miles]

Oh, they got that, you know, sphere.

[Alex]

We're going to be in Kansas City this weekend. My LA studio is getting renovated.

[Mark]

This is what happens, though.

[Alex]

God. Yo, we're not starting to pot over again.

[Mark]

Believe it. We'll just believe it.

[Alex]

Believe that name.

[Mark]

Okay, so a random anonymous friend of ours says to Scholz, he's like, yo, thanks for. Thanks for letting me have your penthouse suite.

[Miles]

Ooh, so nice.

[Mark]

He gets a penthouse suite at one of the casinos because he's performing there and then.

[Alex]

But what did I choose to do?

[Mark]

He had a red eye back to go see his family.

[Alex]

Family man.

[Mark]

He's leaving, but he has his penthouse suite for the night. So he gives it to one of his friends and goes, hey, you can just have it.

[Alex]

So he finds a porn star that looks exactly like Dove.

[Mark]

I don't think so. I actually think she's hot, to be honest.

[Alex]

No, no, she's a very attractive girl. Obviously. She's very successful.

[Miles]

What a fuck Dove? Is that what you just said?

[Mark]

I mean, this Dove. This Dove's not bad.

[Miles]

She's a little manly.

[Alex]

Why are we starting out this meme? This is ab.

[Mark]

Beautiful girl.

[Alex]

No, beautiful Dove, I think is a handsome guy.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And when you.

[Miles]

Is also beautiful.

[Alex]

Yeah, beautiful. So when you get to that level of handsome, there's going to be a little bit of crossover.

[Mark]

Dove was stacked like that. I guess he kind of is. But if he was, it was.

[Alex]

Was. Yeah, it was Was.

[Mark]

But he's telling us the story, like, kind of in passing.

[Alex]

Definitely no chemical compound helping with that.

[Miles]

You guys suck. None of this is gonna be you. I'm not them. You still got tits. You still got tits.

[Mark]

Yeah. But he brings us a story. He's like, oh, yeah, thanks, by the way. And all of us just, like, record scratch. Like, what? And he starts telling us the story. He's like, yeah, you know, I hooked up with a porn star, you know, in the penthouse.

[Alex]

And he's doing that classic thing that this specific friend that will remain nameless does, where, like, he drops, like, the most interesting little tidbit and then, like, pretends to walk away from it.

[Miles]

You do the same.

[Alex]

You do that. Jake's want to know. Jake, want to know, my dog?

[Mark]

Only a master knows another master.

[Alex]

Come on. You want to catch fish, you need bait.

[Guest]

My boy.

[Miles]

He'll just scroll through his phone like, whoa. And just keep scrolling, just waiting for somebody to be like, yeah, what? What?

[Mark]

But he also loves that, though. Do you remember when we were doing the Netflix virtual? Me, me, and Miles were in one of the back rooms, and we were like, yo, watch this, watch this, watch this. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then Schultz immediately runs in.

[Alex]

You guys having fun in here? I'm like, the neighbor from Home Improvement.

[Mark]

You got a little joy in it. Let me have some of that. But he starts telling us the story, and we're all so washed that we're just listening with, like, so much intention.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And then we all start just slow playing, and we're like, no, tell us every detail.

[Alex]

Can I just back up? He starts telling the story like a woman. Like, he tells us. He's like, yo, I hooked up with this porn star. And then he starts going into, like, emotionally what he was dealing with. Like, he starts going be like, yeah, I was so nervous because, you know, she's been with all these guys, and we're like, yeah, nobody gives a flying fuck about your nerves or anxiety. Tell us how much coke you had to give her to get her up to the penthouse, and then tell us what happened in the penthouse.

[Miles]

Tell us how much money.

[Alex]

That's the funny part. It's more of a barter.

[Mark]

He met the two. He met two porn stars together, and then they were hanging out. He was like, yo, am I about to get. Get the double up? And then one of them got a call that she had to tend to.

[Alex]

She had to go to work.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Mark]

And then the other one, I guess, didn't get a call.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Alex]

Damn. That's kind of up to put it that way, Mark.

[Mark]

Well, I mean, that is.

[Alex]

That is messed up to put it that way.

[Mark]

Is that how it happened?

[Miles]

Is that how it happened?

[Alex]

You had to say, one had to work that the other day. The way we were saying is, you know, one did.

[Miles]

Charity, sometimes you gotta give back.

[Mark]

She gave our friend a promo code. She got the.

[Alex]

The flavor 20.

[Mark]

Yeah, he got the promo code. And so he redeemed it and got the. The value of the. The proposition. But he starts saying he barter services.

[Alex]

No, not at all. They're just up there, they're vibing.

[Miles]

Okay?

[Alex]

But he's telling the story, and he's talking about, like, what he's going through. He keeps on, like, harping about this. Like, we're up in the room, and I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm like, bro, fast forward. Get us to the good part. Do you make out with her? Does she make the move? Whatever.

[Mark]

And he's like, well, we traded WhatsApp numbers, and then we were texting back and forth. She sent me, like, an emoji. And he's like, keep going. Get through this part.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Schultz is like Muhammad Ali in fight camp. Just, like, he needs every detail explained to him by, like, the other people around, you know, just, like, every. So at one point, our friend is like, yeah, you know, like, I was. I was looking out at the. At the Vegas, you know, skyline, looking at the sphere in this giant penthouse, and she started sucking me off and

[Alex]

almost goes, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Mark]

Did she unbutton your pants or did you do it?

[Miles]

It's an important, important detail.

[Alex]

You're making out, like.

[Mark]

But he needed everything.

[Alex]

I need every single detail. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't want to tell you guys this. I got a little hard. I did, I did, I did. I know, I know, I know. Not fully, but, like, too much? No, no, no, no, no. Because I was asking the question.

[Mark]

I wanted to know the line, dude.

[Miles]

Oh, no.

[Mark]

Towing a lot.

[Alex]

I was over the line.

[Miles]

But your friend's right there because you have to picture his dick in the scenario.

[Alex]

I pictured it, and. And I made it bigger. I was very. I was very, very kind and generous to him in, like, my mind, as I was, you know, thinking about it, and. And I. And we all wanted to know because it's a porn star, right? Like, there's an expectation, you know, if you play one on one with, like, Steph Curry, like, you want to know where he's pulling from. And, like, we go. When she went down, did she do all the things or did she have, like. Was it, like, a night off? Because I'm sure that they do it casually, too. Yeah. Like, there's a different level of performance when the cameras are on and the lights are on. You're getting paid.

[Miles]

How much of a porn star? Because if it's onlyfans, that's like.

[Alex]

No.

[Miles]

An author. That sounds public.

[Mark]

This girl's studio. This girl's studio. Oh, she's.

[Alex]

This is not one of Dr. Umar's books.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Alex]

Okay. This is.

[Miles]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alex]

Like, yeah, this is. This is the real deal.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Alex]

Schuster. Yeah.

[Mark]

This Random House.

[Alex]

So she says she went for it. Yeah. Tried to eat the booty while he was standing.

[Mark]

He.

[Alex]

Oh, come on, Miles.

[Mark]

Come on.

[Alex]

This is a little early in the pot to even share something.

[Miles]

Like, got me now.

[Alex]

Tried to eat the booty while he was standing.

[Miles]

I'm about to get rocked.

[Alex]

See what I'm saying? Made him spread his legs like a cop. Yeah, right. Spread the legs. And he rejected the booty Lick stopping for a second. Yeah.

[Miles]

Unless he's a little dirty.

[Alex]

Of course he's dirty. They've been at a nightclub partying in Las Vegas. But the fact that she still went for it.

[Mark]

Ow.

[Alex]

I mean, it's like, he got one. I want one. It's truly.

[Guest]

Cheers for the L. That's for the

[Alex]

L. I'm Cheers for the F. Everything else is in.

[Mark]

And then the funniest part, how you

[Miles]

turn that down from a porn star. That would have been probably the best. I don't even know cleanest his ass would have ever been.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Mark]

Anyway, the funniest part is that he. So he's in this penthouse suite with a whole panoramic view of the entire Las Vegas skyline. And he was like, yeah, dude. She was. She was blowing me. It was awesome. And we were like, which way were you facing?

[Alex]

Oh, yeah, because she put him up on the window.

[Mark]

He got pinned up.

[Alex]

So immediately I'm like, wait, wait, what? And I was like, your back is to the. To the window. He's like, yeah. And I'm like, no, no, not at all.

[Mark]

He was almost Patrick Bateman. He was like, this close. He was, like, looking out on the city.

[Alex]

She shouldn't have the view because she can't see anything.

[Miles]

Exactly.

[Alex]

It should be reversed. And then you're seeing the entire Vegas island. You're seeing the sphere.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex]

Everything.

[Miles]

Then one arm on the glass. You know, it's A little support system. We've been there before. Come on.

[Mark]

Massive fumble.

[Alex]

I'm glad that we're thinking the exact same. Yeah, ye glad we're thinking the same thing. Turn around. Like, listen, I think that. I think when you're in a situation like that, you're just trying to hold on for dear life.

[Miles]

You're a dp. Get your angles right, bro.

[Alex]

DP Me? Oh, those are different meanings. Okay, Drake.

[Mark]

But, yeah, that was our wonderful week in Sol.

[Alex]

Yeah. Imagine holding on to that story for two years and not telling your friends. Right?

[Miles]

Did he pipe?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Oh, okay. Last long.

[Mark]

Well, that's the annoying part. This.

[Alex]

He goes, yeah, you know, like, because we asked that. I love how you're asking every question. I love how you're asking the exact same questions that we were asking. Right.

[Miles]

The important.

[Alex]

Because we were like, yo, how long did it last? And he was like, well, you have to understand, like, emotionally what I've been going through.

[Miles]

I want to slap frustrated.

[Mark]

We need this bad, bro.

[Alex]

We needed it bad. You know what number he threw out there, how long he lasted? He's like, it was all right. Just guess the number that all right is.

[Miles]

Knowing him, I would have been like, he probably said, like, 20 minutes or

[Alex]

some like that, son.

[Mark]

Bang on, dude.

[Alex]

It was almost like you were there with us. That's crazy.

[Miles]

Oh, come on. Why? You got a front.

[Alex]

You got a front. Yeah.

[Mark]

A mediocre display of 20, 25. Yeah, like. And we're like, that's the cumulative. She don't got one video.

[Alex]

25 minutes. You just gave her the longest.

[Miles]

That's a nut. Rest n that again, right?

[Alex]

He said. He said. He said. He said he had to play pool for, like, 15 minutes before they hooked up. And we were like, why? He goes, that blue Chew ain't kick in yet. He literally did the ad.

[Mark]

He did the ad.

[Miles]

He needed the blue Chew gold. I know.

[Alex]

It wasn't invented yet.

[Mark]

Anyway, Any other questions that you're. You're ruminating on?

[Miles]

Did he circle black?

[Alex]

No. We asked the same thing. Have you circled the block? And he said no. It is really amazing how we have the exact same curiosity.

[Mark]

There's only 10 questions, I guess.

[Alex]

Yeah, but, like, all of us wanted to know the exact same thing. And somehow when he was communicating it, none of these things were answered. Like, I almost wanted him to tell you the story without you asking a question.

[Miles]

I really was getting frustrated at, like,

[Alex]

the level of, like, come on, get hard. And they would soften up again, and our guard would soften up Again, Cool. Yeah, yeah, dude. Anyway, y' all listen to that Drake.

[Mark]

Iceman is out.

[Alex]

The Iceman cometh. Yep. Listen, I know there's a lot of you guys out there that have been dying for us to, you know, review this triple album.

[Mark]

Our rap take is very.

[Alex]

Our rap take is very influential in the hip hop community. I know the asshole army really wants to hear it. I mean, you just think about, we have. We have a black guy, we have a white guy, and we have a guy that everyone seems to think is Jewish. So together, we are probably the most qualified group.

[Miles]

We're drink.

[Alex]

We are Drake.

[Mark]

We're Drake.

[Alex]

At the end of the day, we're drink.

[Mark]

We're Dr. I'm Iceman.

[Alex]

I mean, facts, you know?

[Mark]

So, like, I think you're Iceman. I think I'm maid of honor. I think you're habiti.

[Alex]

You're definitely hibifty. Yeah, you're definitely hibifty.

[Miles]

Yeah, you know, fudge, you guys.

[Mark]

How about that?

[Alex]

How about that? So listen, we got it. I mean, we got to talk about it. What did you think?

[Miles]

I want to hate, but Drake is back, bro.

[Alex]

Wait, wait, don't want to hate.

[Miles]

I said I want to hate.

[Alex]

Oh, you want to hate, but Drake is back.

[Miles]

Drake is back.

[Alex]

It's heat, bro.

[Miles]

Drake is back.

[Alex]

It's. He like, it's fun to listen to, but if you're like a rap. Rap rapper, like, you like bars, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

[Miles]

And you know what it was? Drake's been on top for so long that it was just kind of fun for him not to be on top for a little bit. So we just had to. Just some fun. Even though I'm a Drake fan, but it was fun just to clown him for a bit. But he's back. If you hate on this album, you're just a hater.

[Alex]

You're a hater.

[Miles]

This shit is.

[Alex]

Which one you talking about? Iceman or the all three?

[Miles]

The whole girly shit. I haven't even touched that. Like, I played a couple songs on it and I habibty two out of the three. That's good enough for me.

[Alex]

Two out of three is insane.

[Miles]

I mean, it's a lot of songs, bro.

[Alex]

Sure. That's the thing. I think most people and we were talking about this this weekend, it's like. I don't think most people have even really suggested three. Yeah, I think they're like, listen to Iceman and they've like jumped around songs on the other two. So I think There'll be other songs that start to pop up from the other two, but Iceman got some slaps.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Biggest win, Toronto.

[Alex]

Talk to me.

[Miles]

They finally have some pride back because

[Alex]

that's all they had the weekends.

[Miles]

He don't. He barely claims them. He's always in la.

[Alex]

Yeah, he's more laughing, but he's still theirs. Yeah, he's still theirs.

[Miles]

Yeah. But I'm just saying, like, now they got pride again. They're smiling. They weren't smiling for a good two years.

[Alex]

And I don't like them. I don't like them down. Like, Canadians are their best when they feel good, happy. Like they were getting bullied by Trump with the 51st stage. Like, they were just going through a lot of, like, torture.

[Miles]

So we beat him at hockey. That's how bad.

[Alex]

If he dropped this album before that game, we might have a silver medal. Oh, yeah, we might have a silver medal. Yeah.

[Mark]

I thought it was fire.

[Alex]

I really, I, I.

[Mark]

But I'm also a Drake Glazer, admittedly.

[Alex]

Why is it glazing to appreciate the person who's the best at the thing? Am I a Michael Jordan Glazer?

[Miles]

No.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I was talking to him a little bit before the pod, and so the one that. Where he sounds like Kodak Black and I'm like, would you like it if somebody went on stage dressed like you and told the jokes exactly like you do it?

[Mark]

If it was Drake?

[Miles]

No, you wouldn't like that shit.

[Alex]

But you don't think he got the co sign from Kodak for that one?

[Miles]

It's not about that. It's like, either have a feature with him on the song, don't just steal his sound and his flow.

[Alex]

But wasn't he locked up?

[Miles]

Whatever. So then don't do it.

[Alex]

Got it.

[Miles]

It's just a weird thing to do. It sounds like him. It's the same flow.

[Alex]

The flow is identical to the.

[Mark]

What was it transporting?

[Alex]

Yeah, the transportant song that Kodak did. You think we were.

[Miles]

I just gotta watch out. Yeah, just watch out.

[Alex]

I thought that was fire. I thought Chevaldi.

[Guest]

Good.

[Alex]

I thought. What? Nah, you saw that one.

[Miles]

You gotta sandwich it in with something. You can't just try to.

[Alex]

I need to get the other part of the bun on it. Shut it down immediately. All right, guys, important announcements. June 5th and 6th will be at Virginia beach for shows. We'll also be August 8th in Halifax, Nova Scotia for a show out there. Great outdoors fest. Fantastic. And also, we're doing something really good for the world. Okay, June 4th the Life Paddle Classic. We partnered up with Neurogum and the IVF charity that I've been working with, BabyQuest. Amazing charity. Shout out to BabyQuest. They do incredible work helping people start families that are dealing with obvious financial constraints that come with ivf. But Neurogum is set this thing up. You go to neurogum.com pages Schultz, you buy that dad bundle. It's got your wake up mints, it's got your to sleep, man. It's got everything you possibly need. And all the proceeds from the entire event are going to go to Baby Quest. And if you're not able to show up to the event, you just want to support, go get some Neurogum as well, because all the proceeds from that link right there that I just told you about are going to be going to them. And there's also a button that's going to be on that website where you can just donate directly to BabyQuest. Again, you'll be changing people's lives. It's an absolute, absolutely amazing thing that you could, you could donate to. So that event's going to be taking place at Paddle House Dumbo Thursday, June 4, 1pm to 5pm Come hang out, come play, enjoy the day and shout out to Neurogum and BabyQuest.

[Mark]

Also, I have great news. Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California and Detroit, Michigan and Salt Lake City. I'm coming to you. I'm doing stand up comedy in all these places and you can get the tickets on my website, Markagnon Live. And I cannot wait to see you all there. Thank you very much, Alejandro.

[Miles]

And in the gift of giving, shout out to Food bank for nyc, they invited me to their gala that we had this past week. We raised 1.4 million or something like that to feed people in need. So that was awesome. And also thank everybody who came out to the tennis event I had this Saturday. It was fucking fantastic. The next one, if you missed it, the next one is going to be July 25th. Get your [e-mail] the next one is July 25th. See you guys there.

[Alex]

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[Mark]

No, I thought it was fire and I think people have been wanting to clown on it, and, like, there's bars that people are, like, pulling out and being like, oh, this sucks.

[Alex]

I don't know.

[Mark]

I just feel like the whole Kendrick Drake thing, just people being like, yeah, I wanted to hate on Drake for a year. I'm like, all right. It just feels lame to me that people want to just hate on him just because they want to hate.

[Alex]

I mean, that's. I. It is super lame, but that is kind of how we act towards people who have immense success for long periods of time. Yeah. Like, I remember Jordan going through it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, Jordan was obviously the best player in the league, and there are people that say, ah. But, you know, he's never going to be magic. He's never going to be burned. It's like, yeah, he's better than both of them, you know? So there is this, like, natural reaction, and you almost need to see somebody suffer so that you can celebrate them. We're very weird like that. And, like, the people that manage suffering, meaning, like, they share a lot of their suffering, are easier to root for, and you notice that. But the people who just crush it is harder to just celebrate.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Are you celebrating someone who's only winning everybody's girl, making tons of money, putting out the best music? Like, yeah, there's a natural human instinct, I guess. And it sucks that we have it in us to kind of pull that person down. But if you're being objective, he's nice at the thing.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And so many, like, albums aside, just so many good songs over such a long period of time. Like, what, 12 years?

[Miles]

Yeah. This has been the greatest run in hip hop.

[Mark]

Even if there's only one good song on the album, he's putting out good songs every single year for 12 years. I'm like, that alone is impressive. So here's.

[Alex]

Here's. Here's my question. I have. I have two. One, I want to know everyone that he got at that I didn't even think he got at. Like, who are. Where are all the disses? Who are the craziest disses? Who are the disses? Who are the disses of the people that it's not even really publicly known yet. And then two, does this erase the Drake Kendrick beef?

[Miles]

Let's start with two, because.

[Mark]

Yeah, you want to start with two.

[Alex]

You don't think it erases it? Does it chip away from it?

[Miles]

No. In the same way that pusher T beat Drake. But Drake came back with good music where it's like, People aren't really talking about it anymore, but it's still an L on his record.

[Alex]

Yeah, but we don't even. I forgot he lost a pusher T I didn't like. Again, I'm more casual about it, but, like, to me, I think with music or with sports, there's this recency bias where, like, you could get knocked out in a fight. Like, for example, Francis Ngannou this past weekend, before this, Francis Ngannou got knocked out by Anthony Joshua, if I'm not mistaken, in a boxing match. He comes in this week, and he fights a guy who's definitely a lesser opponent, but he looks so unbelievably intimidating that you're just like. Like, yo, this guy's the baddest man on the planet. Ronda Rousey, too. Like, Ronda Rousey was getting up in the ufc. I mean, Holly was. Holly Holm, I think, knocked her out pretty easily. And it's like, then you see her just take out Gina Carano. Fifteen seconds. Yes. Gina's much older, hasn't fought in a long time. But there is this recency bias in us for things. And I wonder. It's like, if Kendrick not dropping anything, and he probably isn't, and this is the last thing that we've seen. Is he back on top?

[Mark]

Well, I think, to me, this is just what I kind of expected him to do, which is like, same with Nas and Jay Z. It's like, yeah, you lose the battle, but you win the war. And, like, I think Drake is just gonna. When it's all said and done, 20 years from now, Drake will have won the war 10 times over. The difference with Nas and Jay Z is that they're now both billionaires and friends. Yeah, I don't think Drake and Kendrick will ever be friends.

[Alex]

Oh, no.

[Mark]

I don't think they're ever gonna, like, patch it up in 20 years and be cool.

[Alex]

Decision to continue going at Kendrick in this. Right decision or wrong decision?

[Mark]

Yeah, you have to. I think if you avoid it, it's like, ah, you. You acknowledge you lost, you bowed out, and that's it.

[Alex]

But I like that it wasn't like, whole songs dedicated to it. It was just like, yo, this beef is forever. I'm gonna continue sunning you.

[Mark]

The whole album is kind of dedicated to it in a way, but it's dedicated to everyone that shows up.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. So it's him plus everyone.

[Alex]

It's not a specific diss track. It's like a little bar here, a little bar there. If it's a specific Diss track, then Kendrick might have to get back in the studio. But does he get back in the studio for a line or two? I think no. So it's almost.

[Miles]

I'm not going to lie, like, Drake definitely played it good. Selfishly, I wish he had one song just located. Yeah. Because I remember when even after the Jay Z NAS situation on Blueprint 2, Jay Z just had a whole song just destroying Nas. And it's like, people don't really talk about it, but I'm telling you, this was the hardest diss track of all of them.

[Alex]

Sure, but.

[Miles]

And I love that. So just as a fan of battle rap.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I would have liked another one.

[Alex]

You would have liked as a fan.

[Miles]

But strategically, what's been the smart play?

[Alex]

You don't want Kendrick to drop and then fuck up your rollout.

[Miles]

True.

[Alex]

Because if you do some crazy shit, Kendrick drops. Now we're talking about the back and forth beef again, and you just put out 45 songs and now you got to get back in the studio again. It's like you want to do just enough where you're taking shots. And he's not responding.

[Mark]

Which is why I think the triple album is smart. For a bunch of reasons. It's like, one, I'm acknowledging everything that's gone on in the past two years. So it's like, that's Iceman. And then it's like, I'm also gonna put songs for the women. Kind of like the Drake that, you know, that's like habiti. And then here's where I'm gonna go. And that's Maid of Honor. It's like kind of. It's more experimental. He's trying out different sounds, and it's like pushing, kind of like, here's the next wave that y' all are going to jump on. So he kind of does everything all at once. Like, here's where I'm at. Here's old me, here's the new me. And it's just flooding the plane. And on top of that, Miles pointed this out to me. Michael Jackson is the only artist to have three of his albums chart at the same time.

[Guest]

Top three. 1, 2, and 3. Right after he died.

[Alex]

Oh, wow.

[Mark]

Right after he dies, he has the three albums chart. He's the only artist to do it. And Drake, it seems like he's making a push with this to try to do the same thing.

[Guest]

And the nod with the Glove. Yeah, apparently he's the guy who bought the glove.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

150,000 for the. For the Diamond Glove. I thought that Was kind of a steal, right?

[Alex]

I thought he rented it for that. I'm being 100.

[Mark]

No, I think he bought it.

[Guest]

From what I understand, it's. He bought it between.

[Alex]

Michael Jackson's diamond encrusted glove is only $150,000, but there's a Pokemon card that is worth 7 million. Yeah.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Does that seem awful?

[Mark]

I wonder if they have a few gloves.

[Miles]

That's what I think. I think there's a few gloves and it's not diamonds. Probably like rhinestones or something like that.

[Alex]

Yeah. I mean, who cares what the stone is? If there was.

[Miles]

I'm pretty sure there's multiple.

[Alex]

There's multiple. But there's multiple Pokemon cards. That, to me, just feels so odd.

[Mark]

Well, if you're talking about The Pikachu illustrator PSA 10, there's only one. There's only one of those. Yeah, there's only one of those.

[Miles]

What?

[Mark]

I'm not trying to get you.

[Alex]

That's. That's what it is. What do you think has been in the hands of more kids? Absolute banger. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. I do great job, Chelsea.

[Mark]

But he dissed everyone, so obviously there's the Kendrick disses on, like, a bunch of different tracks. Damn. Who is this guy? For real? I guess a magician. 100 million streams vanished. No one's got questions talking about the Kendrick streams that all of a sudden were there. And then they got pulled down.

[Miles]

A little hypocritical because some of your streams disappeared as well.

[Alex]

That is kind of funny to do. That is kind of funny to do. It's like. It's like Nancy Pelosi and like, Trump talking to each other about rigging the stock market.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You rigged it more.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Okay. All right.

[Mark]

And Mugsy Bogues dunked for once. Even I'm a bit amazed. Kind of funny. This one was one that people specifically on black Twitter got kind of. There was discussion about it. White kids listen to you because they feel some guilt. And that's how your soul gets fulfilled. Handing out turkeys on camera inside of your hood. And then you go back to the hills. How many houses you built, how many souls did you heal off the back of your deal? So he's basically saying white kids are listening to Kendrick because they have white guilt. He's like, they listen to you because they want to be, like, an activist and a part of this whole black cultural movement and that they do it because you represent that in the space, not because they actually like the music.

[Alex]

I'll be honest, I never met a white person listen to Kendrick, bro.

[Miles]

No. You go to a Kendrick concert, it's there buying most of the tickets.

[Alex]

Is that right?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Well, that's also most of hip hop.

[Miles]

Yeah, most of.

[Alex]

But that's just a numbers game, isn't it? At the end of the day, it's like when you. When your genre is the most popular genre of music in the world and you live in a country where Black people are 12% of population and white people are like 60 or 70, like, the chances are the numbers are going to be skewed.

[Miles]

Young boy show, it's a bit more mixed than a Kendrick show.

[Alex]

The whites ain't getting. Getting after the NBA.

[Miles]

Young boy, they like them a bit more.

[Mark]

But he's calling out Kendrick's hypocrisy because he's like, he's basically trying to say, oh, Kendrick, you say you only make music for black people. You're a black artist for black people. But then your show is, you know, 80% white.

[Alex]

What I would say is like, that's not Kendrick's fault. Like, he can't decide who buys the

[Mark]

tickets, but he's just saying you're misrepresenting who you are. I'm being honest. My music's for everyone. That's why my audience is Indian kids and white kids and black kids.

[Alex]

That is true. I would say that, like, he's more ubiquitous. Drake is a more, like, universal artist.

[Miles]

Yeah. Like, but sometimes he'll frame things, trying to make them, like, disses when they aren't. Because that's a good thing.

[Alex]

If you're like. He's like, you just make music for black people. And then Kenny's like, yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

Like, when he said you rap like you're trying to free the slaves, I'm like, yeah, it's a good thing. You don't want to free the slaves.

[Alex]

You want them to stay there like you. Drake is half want some.

[Miles]

So you're like, he'll try to frame like that. I'm like, bro, look in the bear, man. That's why people keep telling him, look in the bear.

[Mark]

That would be a good movie. If some guy did rap and freed the slaves. That'd be a fire movie. Would you not watch that if.

[Alex]

If rapping freed the slaves? Yeah, keep going. Okay, that's a. That's a Miles comment.

[Mark]

Just say it would be a good movie. He goes to DJ Khed. That one went super viral. And in C's comments, what does Okhalid do?

[Alex]

What is cuz I think he thought it was just going to, like, brush past. Or maybe some PR firm told him, like, hey, it's better you don't say something, whatever. But, like, this is not going away. And now he's so late to saying anything that if he does, it will just look performative. Like, he's doing it because he's getting criticism. So what does he do? He just doesn't go outside anymore.

[Miles]

But then another thing. So hypocritical, because, Jewish Drake, I hear you speak out about Israel.

[Mark]

Well, he did sign the Creators for Peace thing.

[Miles]

Fuck is that?

[Mark]

This was like, basically a big coalition of artists that signed like a ceasefire activism plea that was very public. And he signed it like, that's the

[Miles]

quietest way you can say Free Palestine.

[Alex]

It's louder than Khaled.

[Miles]

I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that, Alex.

[Alex]

I guess it's a little bit louder than Cali. Cali can't even say it.

[Miles]

That's true.

[Alex]

That's insane. Like, yeah, I mean, Free Palestine. Is it that crazy? Like, what's the opposite of Free Palestine? Enslaved Palestine. Like, how could you not say? Like, sometimes I see people that they can't even say the words.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know.

[Mark]

You know?

[Alex]

And you're just like, well, what are you trying to say if you can't say the words? Like, I understand. Like, words might have different meanings, etc, but, like, you should be allowed to say the words. Don't you want everybody to feel free? Like, how could you not want anybody before Politically charged? Of course, it's. It's same as like, Crisis king.

[Mark]

No, that's factual. You know, that's just factual.

[Miles]

That was like that judge we were watching, the brilliant idiots. He's like, they were asking him direct question, like, oh, can Trump run for a third time based on the costume?

[Alex]

These couldn't even say.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know.

[Alex]

They couldn't even say it's uncomfort constitutional.

[Mark]

That is crazy. But now everyone's in Cal's comments just being like, yo, say it here to

[Alex]

turn off the comments. Right?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So what would you do if you're Khaled? What would you do? You got to join Hamas. That's the only way, right? You gotta go extra. You gotta go.

[Mark]

They gotta dig bigger tunnel, dog. Dude joins Hamas. He's like, hold on, hold on, bro.

[Alex]

There's no way he's paragliding. There's not. There's not a parachute look like Indiana Jones that rock. No, but for real, like, what does he do? What would you do if you were.

[Mark]

Now you gotta ride it out. I'm assuming that in his mind, because he's half Palestinian.

[Miles]

Full Palestinian, I think full.

[Mark]

Like in his mind. I'm sure people got in his ear and they're like, hey, you're a pop star. You make music for everyone. You're one of the biggest artists in the world. You're getting all this money off of making these hits. So you work with everybody. You don't need to say anything just because you're ethnically from a place. You don't got to do it. I'm sure people told them that and

[Alex]

they probably said, this is going to go away way.

[Mark]

Yeah. And they'll be like, this is all smooth out and you're gonna be fine. You can privately have your beliefs, but publicly you don't need to say anything. And I'm assuming that's what his position was. It was a political one. And now he's made enemies with people and now they're applying pressure. Drake, like, Mo Almer said the same thing in his special.

[Alex]

He called out Khalid too. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

And so now people are noticing, being like, bro, you're us and you're not saying anything about this. That's crazy. And there's even been videos of people that have interviewed Khaled. They're like, yo, say free Palestine. He goes, goes, peace and love to everybody.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know, that is great.

[Alex]

What I don't understand is like, what is he worried about saying it?

[Miles]

Maybe his partners, whatever backers are, but

[Alex]

like, wouldn't they understand that he would feel that way? Like, wouldn't he understand that he would want his family members over there?

[Miles]

Are they that understanding?

[Alex]

They don't have to understand their position, but they could empathize with his position.

[Miles]

Can they?

[Alex]

You, I mean, do you not?

[Mark]

I think it's one of those things where they're like, hey, remember that rich, you know, like Zionist billionaire that you performed at his kids bar mitzvah two years ago and he paid you crazy money to go do it? Do you want those deals to dry up? You can either make a stand and gain financially, maybe something, maybe not a ton, or you can say nothing and still be able to play both sides of the ball and make money from everyone. I'm assuming that's what happened behind the scenes.

[Miles]

You think he's going to keep getting weight watcher deal while he gains weight? Like that only. That only happens when you cool with a lot of people.

[Alex]

So he thought that like being a. We're assuming here, obviously, but he Thought that, like, his ability to be this celebrity for everyone, this, like, public figure that can have access to all these different rooms would be limited by taking a stance on this.

[Mark]

Cause that's what I assume.

[Miles]

But it's the same shit Drake does.

[Alex]

Interesting. You're like, drake isn't loud enough about it to call out Cal. Yeah. But I think he got pushed back for that, too.

[Mark]

But I think in Drake's position, he's like, I don't have to say anything. I'm Canadian.

[Alex]

Yeah. It's like, these aren't my people. Whereas, like, you should be. Feel compelled to talk about it because they're your people.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Now you can feel compelled to talk about. Because you're a human being. Yep, absolutely. But, like, if something's happening in Scotland, it doesn't matter to you. Probably as much as it might matter to me.

[Miles]

No, it matters to me because you're my brother, bro.

[Alex]

Yo, man, come on, man. Thank you.

[Miles]

What's going on over there?

[Mark]

I don't give a. Yeah. What is going on over there?

[Miles]

Yeah, what's going on with them sheep folks?

[Alex]

Damn, bro. That was crazy.

[Miles]

You proud of that, though?

[Alex]

Yeah, that doesn't. You didn't mean it that way. Yeah, we both like big asses. Fair enough.

[Mark]

I mean, what about the political scandal? The 2026 Hollywood election?

[Alex]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[Mark]

You remember that?

[Alex]

That was crazy.

[Miles]

I. Yeah.

[Mark]

The Scottish National Party was facing that. That difficult election cycle.

[Alex]

I know, I know. It's just.

[Mark]

What's your take on that?

[Miles]

Howdy. Scandal was nuts.

[Alex]

That was a crazy scandal out there. And I'm like, I'm glad we got through it as a country and a people. It shows our resiliency. You know what I mean? Free Palestine. Free scholarship.

[Miles]

There you go.

[Mark]

And then he went to Rick Ross. I actually.

[Alex]

I like this bar.

[Mark]

I thought it was cool.

[Alex]

I mean, it was.

[Mark]

I was very clever. Aiden Ross was streams before Aiden Ross had ever streamed. I thought that was good.

[Alex]

Great bar.

[Miles]

Hard Bar.

[Mark]

He went to asap. Crazy hard. Your baby mama ain't even post a single. Damn. Where's she at?

[Alex]

That's.

[Mark]

I mean, that's a lot.

[Miles]

That's.

[Alex]

They got beef. But also, if I drop an album, you know what I mean? If I drop it out, I'm like, my wife's private on Instagram. I'm like, get it up. What are we doing over here? Like, a little bit, right?

[Mark]

Maybe there's a reason.

[Alex]

She must have posted.

[Mark]

She must, like, you don't want to believe it.

[Alex]

She must have posted that's probably an unfair. Can we.

[Miles]

Can we check that?

[Alex]

Should obviously check it. But, like, all right.

[Miles]

I feel like she posted him. Maybe not the song, but, like, maybe him in a Prada ad or something.

[Alex]

I mean, she's also a billionaire. She's like, I'm supporting enough. You know what I mean? Like, this is Rihanna we're talking about. Also, she made three of his kids. She's done a lot. Yeah, she's done a lot.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Alex]

Shout out ASAP.

[Miles]

But that's also ASAP's fault. He keeps shooting at Drake. Like, his last album was so many disses at Drake.

[Alex]

But I respect that, too.

[Miles]

Why?

[Alex]

ASAP's from New York, bro. Like, you tell me a New York dude who's. Who someone's talking about, and they're not gonna talk shit back.

[Miles]

Facts.

[Alex]

Like, I think that a lot of people, when they see him in the. No, you know what I mean? Like, they see him in the fashion world and they forget, like, this is a New York rapper and you talking about me. You're gonna get it back, like, every single time.

[Miles]

You completely.

[Mark]

Now let the record show.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

According to Billboard from 2025. This is December from 2025. Rihanna hopped into Rocky's Instagram comment section, showing love for her man and his hard work, saying, so effing proud. Let's go, baby.

[Alex]

That's. That's not a post.

[Miles]

It's not enough.

[Alex]

Okay. It's not enough.

[Mark]

It's a good comment. It's a nice, supportive comment.

[Alex]

It is a nice, supportive comment.

[Mark]

Maybe there was more.

[Miles]

Couldn't even hit the reshare or something.

[Mark]

Maybe there was more.

[Alex]

This is New Yorkers. The Knicks is in the playoffs.

[Miles]

Unity. Right now. Iceman season. Right now.

[Alex]

Iceman season happens after the NBA Finals. Shout out asap. All right. Right.

[Mark]

Took a little shot at J. Cole.

[Alex]

I thought that was light. Yeah, actually, I thought that was light. Unless there's another way to interpret it. Say the line.

[Mark]

So there's a couple. He says, me, I stood 10 TE's and accepted the mission. Cuz I'd much rather be caught in submission. How can you press the ignition and let some memories of the past affect your decision?

[Alex]

N. Say the other one about engaged. The married rapper line.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah, I gotta pull that one up.

[Alex]

I could have fell back like the married rapper, but we engaged. Is the line. When he says it, it kind of sounds like he said, but we ain't gay. Oh, that's what I thought. The little double entendre. Now, but this could be like that Dumb rap where you, like, find, like, 20 meetings to something that doesn't.

[Miles]

But the couple bars after that, he does. T. Is still popping shots at him, though.

[Mark]

Yeah. Have you seen the kid?

[Alex]

This is.

[Mark]

This guy's funny.

[Miles]

He definitely went lighter on J. Cole than I thought he was going.

[Alex]

Yeah, he was delicate with him.

[Mark]

We can't play the audio, but he does. He does. Explaining Drake lyrics.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah. To his girl. This was funny. This is funny. Do you get that? No.

[Mark]

What does that mean? He's down to put bills on their face. Like money for their head. Because he's down to, like, hire someone to kill.

[Alex]

Oh, okay. But then also bills in their face. Like, flexing on them. Bills in their face. Okay. But also, like a duck bill.

[Mark]

Yeah. Because they're ducking Drake.

[Alex]

Like, they're ducking him.

[Mark]

But the name for a male duck is a Drake. No.

[Alex]

Yes. So they're ducking Drake. Okay. And Kendrick's last name is Ducksworth. No way. So this whole song is dissing Kendrick. Yeah. Ducking Drake.

[Mark]

That is exactly.

[Alex]

Goes even further. Because the Buffalo Bills. Yeah.

[Mark]

Their rivals are the Patriots. Yeah.

[Alex]

And their quarterback is Drake. So they're ducking Dre. Isn't that insane?

[Mark]

This is how we want women to react to everything we say. I love that.

[Alex]

Right?

[Mark]

Made me laugh.

[Alex]

You realize how much your wife don't care about you once you have kids and they run to see you when you come home? You know what I mean, Daddy? She's, like, full on Sprint. My wife is still cleaning dishes or something like, hey, babe, how you doing?

[Mark]

Anyway, okay, we got a bunch more. I mean, he goes to Jay Z.

[Miles]

Wait, but before we move on for that, why do you think he went light at Cole?

[Alex]

Because he knows Cole's not going to respond.

[Mark]

I think he also has a lot of love for Cole still. Yeah, but I think he had to call it out. Like, yo, that was weak.

[Alex]

It's also bullying if you go at cold. Like, going at someone who's going to engage in a beef with you. Oh, that's funny. No, I meant.

[Miles]

I know.

[Alex]

I'm not trying to dis Cole. I'm saying, like, Cole has already said, I'm not going to beef with anybody. So you're basically calling him out for not supporting you. But he's not be. You know what I mean? He's.

[Mark]

I get it.

[Miles]

But he started this whole. You could. Damn that. Blame Cole for having all the Drake went through.

[Alex]

That's why he called him gay.

[Mark]

Or engaged. Or engaged.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

But I don't know I think it should have been more bars. And then he said something about, like, he didn't pick up.

[Alex]

Up.

[Miles]

He tried to call him, or he didn't call him back or something like that.

[Alex]

I didn't hear that. All right, give me some real heat. Give me some. Like.

[Mark]

Well, the Lucy and Grain ones is.

[Alex]

Who is Lucy and Grange again? He's the head of Universal.

[Mark]

Head of Universal. Okay, so there's a couple bars in here that are interesting. So one that's obviously says, I'm fighting the man, not suing a rapper. You boys aren't listening. So he's talking about how he's fighting the label that he's in this deal with. And he has a bunch of lines. Adam, he says, says me and Lucien both got Jewish ties. But still. But I'll still call the cap on his head like. Like, Jewish rabbis. And then he has this one. Grange arranged an evil plan to get the masses to point their fingers at me and blame for the same things. They had MJ framed. The difference with me is that I've maintained my black complexion. I'm ready to black out on anyone trying to white out my name.

[Alex]

So he's.

[Mark]

He's a legend.

[Alex]

He's a legend that Grange is doing some dirty work.

[Mark]

Work.

[Miles]

Yeah, but he's been saying it, right? Yeah, but I like that. And then I still don't like the lawsuit situation.

[Mark]

Oh, well, yeah, yeah, like. But I kind of get it a little bit.

[Miles]

But this is another example of you pointing something out that you're trying to reframe it, but it's still corny. You're doing, like.

[Alex]

Yeah, so what do you do in that situation? Like, if you're trying to sue the label because you think the label is doing nefarious, but do you not do it because everybody's getting interpreted as suing Kendrick. That is how we all interpreted it.

[Miles]

Cut your losses and move on. Like, he's gonna appeal and keep this thing dragging out. But I heard one theory online is, like, hey, jamming them up with litigation. Now he's using this three album to get off his deal, and now they try to hold him on the deal. It could look like prejudice because he filed the lawsuit. Like, he might be using this as a strategic play to get out of his deal. I don't know. There's so many theories online about whether or not he's even still in his deal. Did he satisfy his contract?

[Alex]

Yeah, I saw a couple of those theories. And that some private equity company is going to give him some crazy billion

[Miles]

or some shit like that. If that happens to.

[Alex]

That's crazy.

[Mark]

Crazy, right?

[Alex]

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[Miles]

Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney.

[Alex]

Let's go get ready for a new case. We're gonna crack this case and prove we're the greatest partners of all time.

[Mark]

New friends, you are Gary Destiny.

[Alex]

And your last name Destiny. Dream Team Habitats. Zootopia has a secret reptile population. You can watch the record breaking phenomenon at home. You're clearly working it. Zootopia 2 now available on Disney Plus.

[Miles]

Rated PG.

[Mark]

But then there's also a line where he says y' all about to make me Richie like Lionel for real. And that's the truth. Now people have made a stretch here, but it's kind of funny. Lucien Grange has a son named Elliot. Elliot is married to Sophia Richie, Lionel Richie's daughter. So Lionel Richie is Lucien Grange's daughter in law. And he also makes another line where he's like I'm the golden goose causing problems in Lucien's house. And so he's making this line like y' all gonna make me rich like Lionel. So there's like sub illusions that he's gonna be like Lionel and get rich off of Lucy and Grange. And the way that that Sophia Richie got rich from being affiliated with the Grange family. And some people have read into it to say that he's how somehow some way had like a Trist with Ms. Richie. Now this is a crazy allegation that people have tried to stretch. I don't think it's true personally, but people have tried to make the connection. That would be dirty work if that's the case. I don't think it's true. But that's what people are speculating on. The interwebs.

[Alex]

Can't put a box by him though. Can't put a box behind.

[Mark]

Yeah, boys don't work.

[Miles]

Yeah, he got that rep. So now if you just throw that

[Alex]

out there, it's like a little breadcrumb. Yeah.

[Mark]

He goes on to say in reference to Jay Z. People assume it's Jay Z. I mean he has Lines about not taking the. He's like, I won't take the dinner. Give me 500, 000. I can't learn anything from any of you. Damn, y' all was really island hopping back then. Now y' all got your names redacted, and it seems like he's referencing Push

[Alex]

A, T and J.

[Mark]

Push T&JZ getting their names redacted.

[Alex]

But he could just be. He could just be referencing. That's a beautiful one where it's like, if you take offense to it, it exposes more about you than it does the line. Because he could just be talking about the dudes on the Epstein files. Yeah. You know you guys were island hopping. Now you got your names redacted, right?

[Miles]

Yeah, but that's a reach, that.

[Alex]

But if. If James.

[Miles]

Corniest bar in the album.

[Alex]

Good human beings aren't biased, man. It's a good thing we don't have emotional connections to artists and defend them.

[Mark]

Nope.

[Alex]

Whenever we can. Ah, man.

[Mark]

It goes to DJ Mustard, Pharrell, Pusha T, LeBron, DeMar DeRozan, the Dr. Dre one I thought was great.

[Alex]

Why are you coming to Dre?

[Mark]

Man, the bar is great.

[Alex]

What's the bar?

[Mark]

If Drake took out the ak, maybe he'd be going to jail just based off the name that it spells what they say they just smelled. I heard they got a special place in hell for N words as joking about the when they did it themselves.

[Miles]

Break this down.

[Mark]

So if Drake took out the ak, I said I'm sounding like the dude Drake.

[Alex]

Yeah, I know. Oh, my God. If Drake took out the ak, it spells Drake.

[Mark]

Okay, so you take the AK out of Drake is Dre, and he's saying there's a special place in hell for people joking about the evil when they did it themselves. So he's implying again, allegedly.

[Alex]

I have nothing to do with this. Dre's joking about out being with underage girls. He's like Dr. Dre.

[Mark]

And there's an allegation Dre was dating like a 15 or 16 year old when he was like 25 or something. He's calling back to that, saying you're clowning me for being in underage girls. You were on the record in a relationship, according to Drake.

[Miles]

I didn't know about that. I know about Dre maybe getting a little handsy back in the day, but I didn't hear about.

[Alex]

What do you mean by that?

[Miles]

I don't know. These people are coming it up.

[Alex]

What should they Google?

[Miles]

Dr. Dre and Hands.

[Alex]

I said.

[Miles]

I said but damn. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

But a clever bar nonetheless.

[Alex]

Absolutely.

[Miles]

We got to talk about this Braun situation, bro.

[Alex]

So what do you think? I mean, like, to me, that's the most. I always thought that was the most foul. And again, like, we're in entertainment, and maybe that's something that, like, you got to understand. Like, I don't know what Bron stands to gain from these things. He's already the top of the top. But, like, like, in this game, there are people incredibly opportunistic, and they will switch up on things, and people who have helped them if they see that there's a better opportunity or that a person could be pulling them down. So they make these moves strategically. And it's like, there's not the same loyalty you would expect amongst friends in the business. But, like, I don't know, like, Drake was going to his kids basketball games, bro. Like, that's. If I go to your kids basketball game.

[Mark]

He had him tattooed. Chewed on him, right?

[Miles]

Yeah. Which is a little.

[Alex]

That's a little weird.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's a little weird.

[Alex]

That's a little weird.

[Miles]

But still, that's weird. You trying to turn a weird thing into a good thing.

[Alex]

That is a weird. That is a weird thing.

[Mark]

It's LeBron, dude.

[Miles]

So if I tattoo you on me right now, you're not gonna find that weird?

[Mark]

I'm not LeBron. If that was LeBron, though, I'd be like, yeah, damn right it's LeBron, dude. And the bar is actually pretty good. I thought I shouldn't even be shocked to see you in that arena because you always made your career off switching teams. Teams up.

[Miles]

Yeah, I was great.

[Mark]

I thought it was clever, but I don't know, there's. And then he goes to Joe Budden. That was a funny one.

[Alex]

What do you say?

[Mark]

I mean, but it's funny to me, their whole beef is funny because it seems like they just go back and forth all the time.

[Alex]

I feel like they both low key love each other.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I'm saying, like, I feel like. I don't know, like, I think we gotta see, like, one day, 20 years from now, DMS where they're like. They're kind of just both like, nah, that was a good point you made about me. Or. No, that was a good bar.

[Mark]

Because I think the whole beef is predicated on them being with the same girls.

[Alex]

Oh, I thought it was. I thought it was like some rapity. Rap shit. Like, oh, maybe, I don't know, like a love of the game. And, like, I think Drake wants validation From Joe because he sees him as somebody who's like a connoisseur of music. And I think Joe sees Drake as like the guy who's reached the mountaintop and also is nice at rapping. He's not just some pop star. When the line. You think it's just about girls.

[Mark]

Yeah, I mean, this is what the line is.

[Alex]

That's some loser, bro. You guys are 50 years old. Like, come on.

[Miles]

Actually, I put it on Drake because like, he would get with some of Joe's exes and then just like flaunt it like that. That's like Drake's motive is like, hey, I'm gonna clown you by showing I fuck one of your girls. And it's like, it's corny. And that's why Button felt that it was corny. And that's why they've been beefing all the time. They both respect each other's pen. So that's why it's like, yeah, it's mutual respect, but it's also mutual pain.

[Alex]

It's like when someone that you actually respect says something about you. It hurts more than someone that you don't give a about.

[Mark]

I mean, that's what the line says. Who knows which one of his bubble shaped things. I must have ushered through the double gates. Showing her the time of her life while broski having stomach aches, Hearing about the good times at lovers lake and send her back to you while you sleepwalking naked in another state.

[Miles]

That was funny. That was funny.

[Mark]

And apparently it was.

[Miles]

Drake is funny

[Alex]

as a comedian. There are bars in here that you really do appreciate. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

But yeah, it's just. I don't know. There's a funny line. Apparently I didn't know this, but that he had a. He told a story about sleepwalking one time.

[Alex]

They thinking, I think he got arrested.

[Mark]

Is that what it was?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I wasn't familiar with it.

[Miles]

He was like sleepwalking. I think he like knocked on his neighbor's dog.

[Alex]

No way.

[Mark]

Yeah, that happens. But it's sleepwalking up. But no, I, I thought, I thought that whole project was fire. I like that he dropped all three. I like that it's in the charts. And I think people are like, oh yeah, this is awesome. We get to witness gray and stop glazing. I am glazing.

[Miles]

The whole project's not fire. It's a good project.

[Alex]

You haven't even listened to it.

[Miles]

That's why Iceman I listened to a few times.

[Alex]

And then. You haven't even listened to the Other ones. So how you gonna say the whole project if you haven't even listened to it all?

[Miles]

The Iceman Ain't Fire, like Iceman. I would say 2/3 of it is good.

[Alex]

That's phenomenal for an album.

[Miles]

Yes, but then you have two more albums. The Habib Teacher is just not for me.

[Alex]

You listen to it already?

[Miles]

Yeah, like I. I listen to like 15 seconds of each song just to try to get through it so I can have something to bring to today. I hate the that out. Like I just don't like the slow singing. It's just not for me. That's for other people. The other one, I think that's actually my favorite of all of them because it's just like fun songs.

[Alex]

Made of Honor.

[Miles]

Yeah. While you're just like driving in the car. And I think a lot more of those are going to be playing in clubs and going to be playing the summertime and stuff. Like Iceman was just like, hey, I'm getting my bars.

[Alex]

I got bars. I'm nice at this. And I choose to do this other stuff where I sing. That's a choice. I don't gotta it do do it. I could give you all bars if

[Mark]

I want, but I think the Made of Honor tracks are the ones that are going to last more years.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's what we're going to be listening to this summer probably.

[Mark]

And then obviously we can't play the song. But this was. This was kind of fun.

[Alex]

Which one is this?

[Mark]

You know, is this the music video?

[Alex]

Yeah. Which one?

[Mark]

This is the music video for Dust.

[Alex]

Oh, the boy.

[Mark]

And they got young. The young boy. Bull as a cop.

[Alex]

Oh yeah, Shane.

[Mark]

I mean how, how Fire though.

[Alex]

No, this is fire. And then his kids in it.

[Mark]

Yeah. He steals a cop car. He's riding around Toronto and they got

[Alex]

Shane in the back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean just awesome. So Derek Poston went up with Shane when they went and did this. And Derek is like the biggest Drake fan. Yeah. Like he thinks that. He thinks he's the. The second greatest artist in history, I think. Yeah. And the first is like J.K. rowling and then Champagne Poppy.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Wow.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So this was like we were with Derek this weekend in Salt Lake and like the first thing he said when he sat down, just like, tell me how many Drake stories you want. It was. Yeah.

[Mark]

Oh yeah.

[Miles]

Can you share anything? Anything?

[Alex]

Of course not.

[Mark]

No, of course not. Sworn secrecy.

[Alex]

Sworn of secrecy.

[Mark]

But it just.

[Alex]

Cool.

[Mark]

It was just cool, Shane, that Shane gets this opportunity to go up to Toronto to Do this, do this. And he's like, I'm bringing Derek. Yeah, like Derek is going to appreciate this more than anyone I know.

[Miles]

That's awesome.

[Mark]

Which is so cool.

[Miles]

I didn't see this full video. Like is Drake in the video at all? I'm sure he was on set while they were making it, but I think

[Mark]

he came on set at the end.

[Miles]

Oh, okay.

[Mark]

But I don't think he's in the video.

[Miles]

Got it.

[Alex]

It's crazy. They put out a video for all the songs.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah, like, but then it's easy if he's not even in the video then sure. But still hire people to do all this stuff.

[Alex]

Yeah, but still to do that. That like that's a big undertaking to do a music video for one song to do. Is it every song on all three albums or just every song on Iceman?

[Mark]

I think just Iceman, but I don't

[Alex]

know still, that's crazy.

[Mark]

And then the White House got involved. Like apparently Trump posted an edit some Iceman.

[Miles]

I'm sure he hates this.

[Mark]

He put out the Iceman, but it's nice.

[Miles]

I'm sure he hates this.

[Alex]

Come on, bro,

[Mark]

they're rounding up Canadians right now. Come on, dude, you can't be deported Canadians to Iceman.

[Alex]

And then there was a, there was

[Mark]

another one like I think like just the White House posted like yeah, yeah. Iced out white from the official White House.

[Alex]

No, no.

[Miles]

You could tell it's just insanity. 25 year old Drake fan that's running his account.

[Mark]

Account kind of a fun.

[Miles]

Like from all the post. Like now you just know it's just some 20 something year old 100.

[Guest]

Yeah, no, I think it's a team. And then there's just one guy that's like, yeah, this is what's hot right now. Post it.

[Alex]

I think you might be overestimating.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know.

[Alex]

I don't think they're not organized. I think it's One kid who's 19 years old just sitting in the White House all day scrolling Instagram.

[Miles]

Because if it was a team, they wouldn't have let all this slip. That did slip it.

[Mark]

Fair.

[Guest]

I don't mean a team of like highly trained professional. I think it's a bunch of 19 year olds that are all in different. Different things. Maybe just sending to the main guy.

[Alex]

Yeah, could be.

[Mark]

Anyway, I think people have gotten all of our rap takes for the day.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Any final thoughts?

[Alex]

Drake's back, man.

[Guest]

Also, Al's a hater.

[Miles]

I gave it up to him.

[Mark]

I said it's a great film.

[Guest]

I'm with Drake Glazer and you said you listen to the first 15 seconds

[Miles]

of the Big T shirt.

[Guest]

That's 7% of the album, bro. You made a.

[Miles]

It almost put me to sleep.

[Guest]

An admonishment at 7%.

[Miles]

You like the slow one?

[Guest]

I liked it all. Listen, I a bunch of flights this weekend and just had a great time flying and listening.

[Miles]

Yeah, I mean, it's not for everybody. At least I gave it up.

[Alex]

I like the ice fashion and I

[Miles]

like the other one.

[Alex]

What else we got?

[Mark]

Mark Miles. Great contribution. And speaking of Miles, Chud the Builder got arrested.

[Alex]

What the.

[Mark]

What it. It's a good segue.

[Miles]

That's a perfect segue.

[Mark]

You guys have similar mustaches.

[Alex]

So Chud the builder.

[Miles]

This guy.

[Mark]

So this guy Chud the Builder was going viral. If you haven't seen it by Chad

[Alex]

the builder saw the Rosa. Kevin Hart was like, hold my beer. Let me show you all how to be racist. Racist.

[Mark]

What.

[Alex]

What is this guy's mo.

[Mark]

This is. He's a streamer. I'll. I can play some of the clips.

[Alex]

I don't even know.

[Miles]

I thought you was about to play some clips.

[Mark]

I don't even know what we can play. If this is going to get us demonetized. We might have to bleep something of this. But basically, he. From my understanding, I'm not a. I'm not an avid sh the Builder follower. I've only kind of heard about him since the story.

[Miles]

Let's not even play a clip.

[Mark]

He will go around and I like this basically, like, antagonize black people is what it seems like. Maybe I'm not giving a charitable read. You can correct me if I'm wrong. But he'll go around and be like, y' all believe in free speech? And then black people, like, yeah. And he's like, so it's cool if white people say the N word and then he'll just say it hard. R. Yeah. And then they get in a confrontation and then if they try to fight him, he'll mace them. And then if it goes any further than that, he also has a gun on him. And then he's basically like, yo, free speech. You know, we live in America. You guys are Americans. And that's the whole stream.

[Alex]

So we've reached the end of the Internet. Is this the logical conclusion? If you game out the Internet and you just let people do whatever the fuck they want, they'll do anything to get attention, and then this is the worst possible thing that you can do to get attention.

[Miles]

Attention Interesting. Oh, that's your take on it?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I, I just assume that this is like the logical conclusion to like if you don't have. This is the difference between like attention and like art. Let's just call it, I mean. And we can be very loose with art. I think there are streamers that do things that are artistic. Like they're choosing to do more than just like whatever is the most, you know, salacious thing you could possibly say. Like I think you saw Kai do a lot when he's building out these sets.

[Mark]

Like there's a bunch, I would even say speaking speed.

[Alex]

Speed. Absolutely.

[Mark]

Going around all these places, like creating these moments in all these like countries that are maybe more obscure.

[Alex]

Absolutely. 100. I would even say like I've been watching non stop clips of, you know, Adrian Broner and Dean the Great. I don't know if you've been seeing them, but they, you know, who ain't Adrian Broner, of course. And then there's a streamer Dean the Great, who I think also had like a, maybe a boxing career. Anyway, they've been hanging out and like I just see clips online line. But like they're just hilarious together. They're making fun of each other. They're making fun like they're scaring the hoes. Like it's just like Adrian Broner. I mean I really hope that he does not have a drinking problem. Like it looks like he does in the streams. But he is an all time hilarious individual. He was hilarious during press conferences when he was a champion. He's still hilarious. Anyway, I'm not saying this is like high art, but there is like a goal of intended humor for it and it looks fun but like if you're not capable of generating attention based on some form of skill, you'll do it based on pure shock. And this is the worst of the worst.

[Miles]

Ah, so you don't feel chud the builder is a civil rights activist. As the people online are saying. Free. Free speech, you know, hyperpop opponent.

[Alex]

Are you? I mean like what's the, what are the limits to free speech in terms of like antagonistic behavior?

[Mark]

Well, that's my issue with this. Like free speech is a. I think we've talked about this before, but it's like a legal precedent that the government can't put you in prison for something that you say.

[Alex]

Right.

[Mark]

So it's not illegal to say the N word to a group of black people.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Mark]

You know, like, like maybe in a certain circumstance potentially it could be depending on like where you're at and, like, the nature of it. But, like, you can say the word and not get arrested.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Mark]

That is what freedom of speech is.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Mark]

But to me, this is like, hey, I can disrespect you and then you aren't going to do anything about it.

[Alex]

Right.

[Mark]

Because you believe in freedom of speech.

[Alex]

Yeah. Which is bullshit.

[Mark]

It's like, nah, like, you don't have to say the N word to him. You could just go up to any group of dudes and be like, y' all are. And they would try to fight you.

[Alex]

And you would.

[Mark]

And you wouldn't be like, oh, you

[Alex]

guys don't believe in free speech.

[Mark]

It's like, no, you're disrespecting me. And now there's going to be consequences for disrespect.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Mark]

People would react.

[Alex]

Yeah. I don't even know if we have freedom. I mean, we do have, I imagine, freedom to antagonize, but I don't know if anybody is, like, fighting for it. And that's what this feels more like. Freedom to disrespect, freedom to antagonize, freedom to, like, make people feel incredible amounts of discomfort. And, like, if he walked up to them, he was having a discussion about freedom of speech. Yeah. Right. Where he was like, well, what about this word? And how would you feel about. About people saying that word? And then some people saying, like, I hate that word. But, like, I understand. You shouldn't be arrested for saying it. I don't think he gets any pushback. Right. They're having a discussion, wouldn't get any clicks or streams. And the goal is not freedom of speech. The goal is attention. And a person who just doesn't have the ability to get attention through any other means besides the lowest common denominator.

[Miles]

It's hard for me to check my bias on this. Like, I really despise this guy and people like this. And what bothers me so much is that he just, like, came out of nowhere and now everybody knows his name. And they're probably using all the bot farms and the clippers to make him bigger. And this is just going to motivate more people to do this type of action. Cause, like, hey, this is the quickest way to get on now.

[Alex]

But I wonder if it does. Like, I wonder if seeing, you know, he's got.

[Miles]

I already see it happening. More people like, okay, it's up. We can just say n where we can just do whatever. It's a slow roll with people like Nick Fuentes. Cause he says it all the time on his stream, and now it leads to this. And I really hope. The only thing I dislike about this is that he shot himself and missed.

[Alex]

Well, he did hit himself, right?

[Miles]

Yeah, he missed.

[Alex]

He missed. Yeah.

[Miles]

That's the only bad thing about this movie.

[Alex]

Right, Right.

[Mark]

Which, yeah, I mean, this is pedantic, but like, white dudes saying the N word is more popular now on Twitter, but he's directly saying it to black people, which is like another level of antagonism and disrespect because you can't get

[Alex]

enough attention just saying it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Now it's. Now we're desensitized to white boys just saying it. Right. Like, you see all the streamers kind of like, not all, but a lot of these streamers just throwing it out there. So now since we're desensitized to that, what's the next iteration of it? How much crazier can I get so I can get the attention I'm attracted?

[Miles]

First, it was a Kendrick concert. It was Nick Fuente.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Kendrick opened the door. Kendrick concert walked so Nick Fuentes could run.

[Mark]

So he gets in this thing. It's difficult to know exactly what happened, but I think the context is kind of clear. So, like, he's outside of a courthouse in Tennessee. He has a confrontation with a black dude who happens to be a veteran. And it appears that this guy takes his gun out before the altercation takes place, and then he shoots him and then also grazes himself, himself in the confrontation. And he's claiming that he acted in self defense. And now he's currently being charged with attempted murder, employing a firearm during a dangerous felony, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon, and his bail is set at 1.25 million.

[Alex]

Can you act in self defense if your goal is to antagonize?

[Miles]

I. I don't believe so, but.

[Alex]

And that's why the judge was like, we're setting the bail super high. And we didn't think that you.

[Miles]

The only problem is, I don't know if he started this one. That's what both sides are claiming. They're claiming that the black guy came

[Mark]

out of nowhere because now he's popular enough on the Internet that people see him. And so some of his streams, you'll see him walking around, people are just like, yo, fuck you. And then he immediately fires back with the N word or some other type of racial slur.

[Alex]

There's an interesting thing going on where it's like, we pretend that, like, words don't have meaning. Right. Like they don't hold meaning outside of, like, the dictionary definition of what they are. And, like, I saw an interesting debate, or at least a clip of the debate, so I'm not giving full context, but it was between ACTS and sneo, and I think SNEO was taking the position of like, it's just a word and people should be able to say the word. And then A was like, all right, we're going to say something about Allah.

[Miles]

Shout out. Shout out to A. He cooked him on that.

[Alex]

And it was like. It was a great point. Because what. What he was presenting is like, hey, that word means more to you. It's not just a sound. It has a meaning, and you will not use it in a negative way, which I think most people understand. They're like, this means so much to you, and we're not going to disgrace that person. And there are people that do do it, and they do try to disgrace it, and they know what they're doing when they're doing it. Right. But, like, you can't sit here and be like, that word has no meaning. It's just a sound. And then when there's something important to you and someone tries to disgrace it or ask you to do it, you refuse to do it. So now you acknowledge that these words do have different meaning. And to black people, this word means a lot, especially when non black people say it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So it might not mean anything to you, but if. Just like Allah might not mean anything to you, but it means to somebody else. And you might have to deal with that response.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

Should you be able.

[Miles]

In my group chat, when I said. I mean, in my DMs, when I said something on this pod that they

[Alex]

didn't like, well, but. But now, should the government be able to punish you if you say that in America, where there's freedom of speech. No. Like, should you be able to speak negatively or should you be able to see these. Say these. These words according to the government rules of freedom of speech? Yes. They shouldn't put you in jail for that. But that doesn't mean that someone can't be pissed off by it. It's like what Charlamagne says all the time. It's like, you have the right to. You have freedom of speech. You are free to say whatever you want, but you're not freedom from the repercussions that another person might have. Like, you have the right to say whatever you want about my kids. I'm gonna react away if you're talking crazy about my kids. Like, yes, my kids just have names and they're just sounds or whatever, but it's like they have a very different meaning to me. And you saying these things. Yeah. So.

[Mark]

And people wouldn't be like, oh, you're so emotional for reacting that way.

[Alex]

It's like, yeah, I'm emotional. And people get emotional about certain things.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You know, whether or not the government should be able to restrict your ability to talk about my kids, I would say like, no, you have the legal right to do it, but then I'm going to react emotionally about it, I'm sure.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And you have to decide if that's worth it to you.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

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[Miles]

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[Alex]

Did you raise that much?

[Mark]

Yeah, I don't think it was that much. Look at it.

[Miles]

Right now it's. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Sorry.

[Alex]

Maybe I thought it was like 90,000 or something.

[Miles]

No, no, no. He hit enough to get the bond. The bond was 1.2 mil, but you have to hit 10% of that so you can pay the bail bond.

[Mark]

Yeah, I think he raised 200,000.

[Miles]

200,000. But even that. Imagine that is that many people willing to support this guy who's doing obviously racist behavior. And then you try to tell black people that, oh, racism's done, get over it. Like that shit is. It just sucks to know that.

[Alex]

Yeah, but that exists. That there are people out there that. Yeah, yeah. That they. I don't even know what you're supporting right there. Like, you want to be able to say the N word to black people. Is that what the people are supporting? Like, what is the they report?

[Miles]

They're supporting his actions. All the shit that he does. They're supporting his actions. They want him free. They want him back on the street to be able to conduct himself that way.

[Mark]

I mean, he calls himself like a free speech warrior. That's how he. That's how he frames him. Himself. And I think that the most charitable interpretation. Of course, I think there's a massive contingent of people that are just racist and don't like black people and are willing to support this. But I. I wonder if the most charitable interpretation is like. Because I've heard people even kind of like, sort of flirt this on X, where they're like, white people get called emotional all the time, but we say one word about black people and everyone. And now that you're trying to fight, and that's like, what they'll try to say, and they're like, this guy's just pushing the limits of free speech, and he's illustrating that you are allowed to say things and you don't have to react. React negatively. And I don't think that's a great defense because it's like, no, if you disrespect someone, they can check you. And that's like, very reasonable in the context, in the setting you gave, like, with your kids. Like, yeah, you disrespect someone, you might get slapped.

[Alex]

Yeah. We're not robots. This is not chat cbt. We're like, emotional beings. And, like, sometimes we'll have irrational responses to things that we're very emotional about. You know what I mean? Like, it's about to get very irrational. In New York in the next week, we're in the Eastern Conference finals. It's gonna be. If you want to talk about irrational behavior from people who are saying, go outside of Madison Square Garden after a Knicks victory or a Knicks loss, and you will see how emotional we will get about this team that we care about. Have we met any of these people on this team? No. Do we have any connectivity to the people on the team? No. But this means a lot to us, and we're gonna go fucking crazy. There are gonna be guys right outside MSG saying they'll suck dick for a Knicks championship, and they're gonna say on film, and it's gonna be posted by sidetalk. And then they believe it.

[Miles]

They got to be from Jersey, but I still

[Alex]

recognize the love.

[Miles]

But n. He's not a New Yorker.

[Mark]

You know what I'm saying?

[Alex]

But, yeah, it's like, we get emotional about things. That's why I always say, like, even with jokes is like, you can't be upset at someone's reaction. Like, we should be able to say jokes. But if people are upset at the joke, then you have to understand that they're upset at the joke. And in. In this circumstance, the huge difference, I would say, is that we are not saying it to the person specifically to irritate, antagonize, and hurt their feelings. That is not the goal of the joke. The goal of the joke is humor for everybody at that show to laugh. But if somebody doesn't find it funny, you got to let them not find it funny. And, like, when the comics do the whole thing where they're, like, trying to bully them into a specific reaction, it's like, that's just not how comedy works.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You don't bully someone until after.

[Mark]

Yeah. Now, if someone, like, heckles and tries to ruin the show, that's where I'm like, now you're doing the wrong thing.

[Alex]

Now you've made me emotional, and I get to react emotionally.

[Mark]

You say a joke to someone, and you're at a show, someone doesn't respond well, and they just privately leave.

[Alex]

That is the best. You reward that behavior. Yeah. You reward. Or if they're just not laughing, whatever, that you reward that behavior. Because what they're not doing is making about themselves. They're just going, I'm not going to interrupt the show. Other people are liking this. I don't like it.

[Mark]

Not for me.

[Alex]

It's not for me. But that's fine. Yeah. I, like, applaud that.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

If you're stopping the show and trying to do all this, it's like what you're doing is you're making this moment more about you. Than all these other people that paid a lot of money to go see a show, got a babysitter, came out that night. You're ruining their issue for something that you feel.

[Mark]

You make a joke about cancer and it's like, oh, this person in the front row just lost someone to cancer two days ago.

[Alex]

Why are they going to be laughing?

[Mark]

They're going to react emotionally and then they leave and it's like, yeah, I didn't mean to do that to you. But if it hit you in a weird way, like I totally get it

[Alex]

and it was not my intention to hurt your feelings.

[Mark]

Yeah. And if it hits you in a weird way, I understand. You can just step out.

[Alex]

It's his intention to make people feel uncomfortable and that's why he carries a gun.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Comics aren't carrying a gun on stage. Right. Because it's not possible. But you know what I mean, like, cuz the intention is pure.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Right. The intention. And also like, you know, usually going to a show more or less the type of comedy that you're going to get.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You know, but if you got to carry pepper spray and a gun, you're probably doing, you know, that people are going to react poorly to and that poor reaction is exactly what you want.

[Miles]

So I'm following this case because. Oh man, if he beats this, if he gets off, like this is going to be bad. Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Apparently there is a, a phone call that got out from prison of him pleading allegedly. I don't know if this is AI. I don't think that it is. But pleading to Aiden Ross to post bail and that he's willing to fight.

[Alex]

Does that mean this is a 40 second clip?

[Mark]

This is what he says.

[Alex]

Dalton Ch.

[Mark]

If you can get me out, help with the bond.

[Alex]

I cannot access my funds until I

[Mark]

get out of here because no one

[Alex]

has access to any of my gifts

[Mark]

and go or my crypto wallets, etc.

[Alex]

I have to get out of here

[Mark]

so that I can get verification processes to get into all of these funds.

[Alex]

I will fight for free.

[Mark]

If you can help me out to

[Alex]

post bail, I will fight for free. I'll fight on his boxing brand risk. I need somebody with big money who

[Mark]

can throw down who can support me. And Aiden has publicly rejected the request to pay the, the bond.

[Alex]

I mean smart fight. Fight. Francis and Ganu, I don't think anybody would object to you posting bond for that. Right.

[Mark]

I mean there's already been fighters that have called him out.

[Miles]

Still don't. It's still don't pose his bot.

[Alex]

There's been a few.

[Mark]

There's been a few fighters that have called him out that are like, y', all, I'll. I'll fight you. Like, let's. We can put the money up. I'll put up this amount of money.

[Alex]

Money.

[Mark]

If you win, you can get it. And if you. I don't even want money from you. Like, let's just go fight. I've seen a few different fighters put that up.

[Alex]

I mean, don't even. Don't even give more attention.

[Miles]

Don't even want a few of those lifers in jail to just have their way with his.

[Alex]

Oh, there's gonna be.

[Mark]

That's.

[Miles]

That's what.

[Mark]

Now people have also found these images, and they're suggesting that this is him. I haven't confirmed that it's him.

[Alex]

Oh, no.

[Mark]

But people suggesting that maybe he did have some type of alternate life online. Allegedly.

[Alex]

Oh, wow.

[Miles]

Oh, just a troubled soul.

[Mark]

But yeah, that's that one. Anyway, more feelings, no facts.

[Alex]

Let's do it. Okay.

[Mark]

That guy, bro. I mean, in streamer news, do you see Clav get mogged by the judge?

[Miles]

No.

[Mark]

This is very funny. People just, like, pointed this out, but basically, people are, like, at his hearing, it seems like everyone that's surrounding Clavicular is hot. And people are like, people, like, they just found, like, the hottest judge they

[Alex]

can get firing a gun in the

[Mark]

Evergreen Blades during a live stream.

[Alex]

They have now pleaded no contest to the charges. Andrew Morales, known online as Cuban Tarzan, and Braden Peters and goes by Clavicular, were each charged with unlawful discharge.

[Mark]

And people are like, look at this guy.

[Miles]

Peace, bang, bro.

[Alex]

Peace.

[Miles]

Look like he did a little jaw breaking, this guy.

[Mark]

The judges and people pointed out, like, he did an interview. I forget with which news agency. But, like, the guy that interviewed him was handsome. Like, everyone that's around Clavicular is handsome. And they're like, oh, they're just pulling out hot people to, like, check him like that. That's what everyone's saying. They're like, they check him in. Like, if you're gonna get a judge, you need to have the hottest judge, because according to his own bylaws, being hot is the only thing that matters. So if you bring the hottest person out, then he's just gonna be, like,

[Alex]

guilty

[Mark]

kind of funny. Did you see the. The Cars for Kids thing?

[Alex]

Dude, this is the funniest shit in the entire world. You know Cars for Kids.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Did you hear this story?

[Miles]

I did, but I heard this was. It's been a thing for a minute. I'm surprised it's popping up now, but

[Alex]

we just found out about it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

New York Times just ran a story that says judge bars cars from broadcasting misleading ads in California. For context, can you explain what cars?

[Alex]

1-877-Cars for Kids. 1-877-Cars For Kids. Everybody's 177 cars for kids. I think send your kid to Tel Aviv. I thought that was the end of the song. We just never got to the end of the song.

[Mark]

I think it was specifically a northeast thing because I don't really remember in Florida.

[Miles]

Oh really?

[Mark]

Yeah, this was, I think it was up here.

[Alex]

There's a few jingles we remember number Seleno and Barnes Injury Attorneys. 1-800-888-88888. I think that was a lot more eggs than needed.

[Mark]

Yeah. What does that do with Israel?

[Alex]

Those are the two non Jewish attorneys in New York. I write a song about it.

[Mark]

So according to this article from New York Times, it says evidence presented a civil trial shows the children, especially needy or underprivileged children, were not the exclusive recipients of the proceeds of the donated cars.

[Alex]

The idea we all thought was you donate goes to underprivileged kids. Right? And then you got some sort of voucher or something for it or you got like a tax write off or whatever. But that was what we all assumed it was. I didn't really know anybody with a car growing up that could donate it. Like in New York you don't have a car you could give away.

[Miles]

My dumbass didn't even know they were selling the cars for money. I thought you were just giving the cars to poor people.

[Alex]

Son, I thought that too. Okay. I thought, no, no, no, no, son. There was a part of me, it was like, but what would a kid's do with a car? Like I, I just didn't understand this from the jump.

[Mark]

You're like, Gordon, couldn't handle.

[Alex]

Couldn't handle.

[Miles]

I thought you just a family deserve it.

[Alex]

Dud Cars for Kids. I didn't get it. What is this? But I assumed they would do something with the car, sell it for parts or whatever.

[Mark]

And the kids, that's exactly what they did.

[Alex]

Talk to me.

[Mark]

That's basically it. So according to New York Times, Cars for Kids primarily funds New Jersey based Jewish organization Uber which provides programs including an adult matchmaking service, Trips to Israel for teens and summer camps in New York.

[Alex]

So yeah, so. And now what they'll say is like if you go to the website that it clearly shows what it is. But I think what the Lawsuit is alleging. Is that like you're. You're not promoting it this way in the commercial. It just looks like this core money is going to kids. Yeah, but like.

[Mark]

Well, the commercial is like a lot of black kids.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Very diverse. It's the white kid who's playing guitar, but he's not even playing it. Like they didn't even get actual kids that can play the guitar instruments.

[Mark]

Now it says in the article u also spent money overseas, the judge wrote, including a $16.5 million to buy a building in Israel.

[Miles]

Jesus.

[Alex]

They. They Black lives matter in it.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Alex]

They turn it into a real estate venture.

[Miles]

But they. That was a two decade run right there.

[Alex]

And a nice.

[Miles]

Run that up quick. Yeah,

[Alex]

you need a better jingle and you guys are usually good at that. Wow.

[Miles]

You right.

[Alex]

This is.

[Miles]

This is the commercial, bro.

[Alex]

I don't even know if we can play that song. Still slaps, bro.

[Mark]

But none of these kids are.

[Alex]

Are

[Miles]

today.

[Alex]

Listen, they should have stopped this commercial October 8th. You know what I mean? They should.

[Miles]

You can't. They.

[Alex]

They should have known that this was going to come back.

[Miles]

Yeah, but nobody knew. Just keep the. Keep it going until.

[Alex]

That is a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.

[Miles]

You don't stop the pond scheme. You stop it when you get caught.

[Alex]

Well, it's not. I guess the issue is not a Ponzi scheme. The issue is that it's going to just Jewish kids or Jewish adults that want to take trips to Israel. And we all thought it was just underprivileged kids getting their first car.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Now the mascot is apparently a stack of cash named 5 5Y or 5ish.

[Miles]

No.

[Mark]

Now can we just zoom out of the anti Semitism that's currently happening in our culture? Because we should take a moment to acknowledge that racism still exists. Right?

[Alex]

Racism still exists.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

There's a lot of people that hate

[Miles]

Jews

[Alex]

and black people and white people and there are people that hate white people. No one really seems to care about that. But it's all good. We should start our own charity. We need it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

Dude, we had cars. Kids Collective.

[Miles]

A very funny picture. Right?

[Alex]

Why did you stop it right here? Yeah, why did you pause right here?

[Mark]

Well, just the image in and of itself is a South park sketch. I think.

[Alex]

Like it just is a thing that you're like crazy. I mean like how listening to this pod right now. Please go get the video.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

This is insanity. No way. This is true insanity. Oh, they're not trying to stuff the mascot in their pockets.

[Miles]

I'M surprised they're not fighting over it.

[Mark]

Father reading the Torah with his son.

[Miles]

What is this? Is this a sketch?

[Mark]

No, this is posted by the official URA page, which is a great non profit that helps Jewish youth in New York. And they also are some of the main beneficiaries of Cars for Kids.

[Alex]

So I guess the criticism of. The criticism of this would be awesome. If they were clear about where the money would go, maybe they wouldn't get as many donations. Therefore they were unclear about where the money went so that they could maximize. I think that's what the judge is essentially alleging in the case.

[Mark]

Right. Yeah. And specifically just that they can't advertise

[Alex]

in California because they're not. The money is not going to kids that could benefit from it in California.

[Mark]

I think they're saying it's false advertising.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Alex]

Yeah, but I think the false advertising comes from the fact that it's misleading. Not only misleading about being in California, but misleading about where the money is going to in general.

[Mark]

Yep.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

I mean, pretty wild in a vacuum. Quite funny.

[Alex]

Now, outside of what's happening in the world right now, if this, like, let's say 10 years ago we saw this and this popped up, we will be dying laughing. There would be an episode of Kirby Enthusiasm about it. Like, Larry would find out his car was hilarious.

[Miles]

First thing, I'm like, yo, good run, man.

[Alex]

You gotta give it up. Tell me 10 years ago this isn't an episode of Curb. Larry finds out he's doning the car. He thinks it's going to this, like local youth or whatever like that. He tells J.B. smoove's character, yeah, I'm zoning my car so that underprivileged kids can get the car. JB Smoove goes, larry, you know that, you know those cars don't go to kids. What the hell do they go for? They just send an adult to Israel. And then Larry goes, well, hold on. That's an episode occurred.

[Mark]

Larry tries to get his car back.

[Alex]

He tries to get his car back.

[Mark]

I need my Prius.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And they're like, we don't have your Prius. He's like, come on. I know what you guys are telling. Come on, come on. He goes, look, we're helping kids. Don't you want to help kids? You know? And he's like, give me the car.

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, all time got donate all Volks wagons.

[Mark]

Did you see the. Oh, dude, that's funny. That is funny that so many car manufacturers are anti semitic.

[Alex]

Yeah, the majority. I Don't know if there's one. It isn't toy.

[Mark]

Yeah, no, Toyota.

[Alex]

Toyota linked up with. With. With the. With the N. Yeah. Ford. Yeah. Ford was American, but he was not about it.

[Mark]

They always get their get back. Dude, that's smart. They're like, yeah, you can make some anti semitic cars, but watch what we do. That's kind of impressive.

[Alex]

That was a good move. Long game.

[Mark]

Are you going to buy the AP Swatch collaboration?

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

Really?

[Alex]

Please do not show me video of people fighting over this club.

[Mark]

You're not going to camp out for the AP Swatch club.

[Alex]

Do not show me the video that chud the builder masturbates to put me

[Miles]

onto this because I don't. I didn't hear about this.

[Alex]

Oh, God, please do not tell me that there is a fight over an AP Swatch collab.

[Mark]

You've heard of ap?

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. You've heard of Swatch and I know. Yeah. Both brands. So they're doing a collab.

[Mark]

Great watch.

[Guest]

Has been doing collabs with. With bigger brands because they have own them. So they did like a Moonwatch from Omega and then they did an AP watch. But they never announced what the AP watch is going to look like. But AP obviously is a big brand and there's going to be a limited amount. So people started waiting outside the store for the AP Swatch collab. Seven days ahead of time, eight days ahead of time. Like in New York and Miami and the big cities where the drop was. And they never announced what it actually looked like. And there was a lot of like, AI renderings that was tricking people into thinking it's going to be like some real. Real heat. Fire, gas.

[Miles]

And if these are real, like they actually look kind of fire.

[Mark]

No, they're cool.

[Guest]

But it's a stopwatch. And people thought it was going to be a wristwatch. It's a pocket watch.

[Miles]

Got it.

[Mark]

But now they're selling mods to turn it into a wristwatch.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Mark]

So you can buy like 3D printed,

[Guest]

like mod to make it back into the thing that people thought it was going to be originally.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Guest]

But it was never going to be a wristwatch.

[Miles]

It was all the only thing. I don't understand. Well, I guess I understand the hype, but like China's gonna just copy this in like a week.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Like, that's the easiest thing to recreate. It's all colorful, it's plastic. It's like.

[Alex]

I mean, you could recreate any watch now.

[Miles]

Yeah, but don't they have like the fake myth Watch busters, those type of.

[Alex]

Yeah, but like you, I mean the mechanics, you might not be able to recreate like if you're actually opening up the watch and like seeing, seeing what's inside. But if you're just running it with like a shitty little battery.

[Mark]

Oh yeah, there's entire like rep watch sites where like you spend like a thousand dollars.

[Alex]

They're expensive still.

[Miles]

Oh, okay.

[Alex]

Yeah, but they're not fifty thousand dollar watches and you're not limited in your access to them, which is like what makes these things so expensive. I mean, that's probably why ap, this ap, like Swatch collab is popping because it just gives people, one who would never have the access to get an AP or never be able to afford it, the ability to hold that luxury.

[Miles]

How much are these going for?

[Mark]

I think like 500.

[Miles]

Oh, really? Okay, that's smart.

[Mark]

And then they're immediately reselling for like 2 grand.

[Alex]

That's also the hustle.

[Mark]

So people are like, yeah, I'll stand in line, I'll get a $500 watch and flip it.

[Alex]

$1,500 in a day you make.

[Mark]

Most people are just trying to like flip these watches.

[Guest]

Yeah, and the Omega collab was like incredibly successful with Swatch. They made moon watches but based on the different places, planets, and it was pretty successful. And they're cool and they're like a fun wear.

[Alex]

Shout out Swatch man.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's smart.

[Alex]

Swatch as a brand is kind of brilliant, right? Because like the whole watch thing is built around scarcity for the most part. Like people pretend like they care about the mechanisms and like I got a buddy who like, he cares about it, but like, I also think he just looks at it as like a, like an asset that's gonna go up in value. But Swatch has never sold expensive watches.

[Mark]

It's pretty accessible.

[Alex]

They're accessible, but so they've relied on specifically being cool in a business where cool is dependent on scarcity. And they've lasted just as long as all these other watch brands.

[Miles]

It's interesting. I don't know how that's like the store, like you just see at the mall that you've always just passed by,

[Alex]

like, but it doesn't feel cheap for some reason. Yeah, like I'm more impressed with Swatch than I am Rolex or AP or any of those. Because Rolex ap, they could just charge an insane amount and never let you have it. And people are going to want to get their hands on it. Anybody can get a Swatch and it's still cool.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And they still can pull AP into a collab. Doesn't help.

[Mark]

Ap. That's what I don't get. I don't get why I know it does help.

[Alex]

I think there is a relevance to it, of course.

[Mark]

And like, I think also these luxury brands are reaching the top of who they can sell to.

[Alex]

I think that like you've seen it

[Mark]

with a bunch of different luxury brands, whether it's like Bentley, Rolls Royce, SW or like ap whatever. It's like, okay, we've sold everyone. Yeah. So now do we come out with a lower level product? Well, that's going to devalue our main product. But if we do a little collab on the side, then we can open it up to a new market without necessarily devaluing our main asset.

[Alex]

We can't sell shit cheaper. But what we can do is get a whole new group of young people addicted to the feeling of having a prestigious watch. It's kind of a brilliant collab, bro.

[Miles]

It's like give them the crack for free and now they understand the watch game. And now when they, some of them are going to get money. And you're right.

[Alex]

And now maybe they choose an AP instead of a Rolex. They choose an AP instead of a. What's the other one? Like Patek, Patek Philippe. Yeah.

[Guest]

Swatch is also so smart. They own a huge. I think they're like the biggest watch brand in the world if I'm not mistaken. They own Omega, all that. And they use their, they use their own brands first to do these collabs.

[Mark]

That's smart.

[Guest]

And make this like really cool plastic Omega. And it was such a hot success that now the like local or like family owned brands, Rolex, I think APs that and a couple others are like maybe gonna come talking to Swatch. It's a great collab.

[Alex]

Reach out. That's the thing. Like, I'm more impressed with the CEO of Zara than I am the CEO of Louis Vuitton or something like that. Just because rich people are gonna buy the expensive because they don't want to be seen as regular. So it's easy to sell them that. And then people who don't have any money want the expensive because then you can be like, I'm rich for a second. Right. But maintaining perceived value of a brand that sells shit for cheap without it feeling cheap. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You know what I mean? Mean like, like Old Navy had like a little run when we were younger, maybe because we were kids, but like they had, like, the cargo shorts or whatever it was, and, like, it was the cheapest version of, like, the Gap Old Navy Banana Republic. Do you remember when? But, like, there was a moment where it was, like, the coolest.

[Mark]

I mean, Gap kind of does it.

[Alex]

Well, Gap has killed it for, like, a while, and I think they kind of fell off, and that's why they went to. Yay. Yeah. But it was, like, attainable. It wasn't cheap. The quality was good. But there was a cool factor or a quality factor.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

That is hard when anybody can buy it. But maintaining, like, this feeling of cool.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

Like, what makes something cool is inherently. It's inaccessibility.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I. I would rather talk to that CEO and be like, how the. You do this? Yeah. Selling some for a billion dollars that nobody can afford. Why? How is that hard?

[Mark]

That's why I love Genesis. Talk to those cars. Have you seen them?

[Alex]

Yes.

[Mark]

They're so, so cool. They look amazing. And they're more affordable. So it's like. I mean, miles. You can probably speak to it better, but, like, it's like the low. It's like the affordable luxury car.

[Guest]

It's lexus in the 90s.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Genesis is owned by Hyundai. Hyundai, I think, owns most of Kia. If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai used to have a car called the Hyundai Genesis.

[Miles]

That's what I thought you're talking about.

[Guest]

This was their first foray. They wanted to make a nice car. Kia is attempting to make some. Some nice cars.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Guest]

And Hyundai basically was like, all right, we got to make the next great, reliable brand. It's lexus in the 90s. It's Acura. It's all of these. It's all these middle brands that can make a high quality.

[Alex]

The logo kind of looks like a Bentley logo a bit.

[Mark]

It feels luxury.

[Alex]

It feels luxury. Yeah.

[Guest]

And they're awesome. And then I think they're great cars. I'm really impressed by them. And they're beautiful.

[Alex]

Look at that logo.

[Miles]

That. No Aston Martin or Aston Martin.

[Alex]

Aston Martin.

[Guest]

And they're wild, like, reliable, because they come from one of the biggest brands out of Korea.

[Alex]

That's the smart move right there, because somebody told me this, where it's like, it's. It's incredibly difficult to take a accessible brand and then do an expensive thing with it. Like, nobody wants to buy the $10,000 suit from Zara. Right. But you can move down. So, like, people would absolutely buy the $500 suit from Prada. That would be the highest selling thing the Prada would have right.

[Miles]

500 AP from.

[Alex]

Exactly. It's like because basically you want to buy in to the, to the luxury brand at the cheapest amount. It's, it's almost like a real estate purchase where you're like, you want the shittiest house in the nicest neighborhood. How can I buy into this neighborhood? My house.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

So creating an entirely different car so that you can have the quote unquote, like luxury. I don't know if Genesis is a luxury is actually easy. Easier than selling an expensive Hyundai. Oh yeah, because who's buying a hundred thousand dollar Hyundai?

[Guest]

Well, used to be something called I think the Hyundai Equus and that was like their attempt, but it didn't, didn't work.

[Alex]

But like you've seen like Toyota had to make Lexus because people were gonna cap out at how much they'd spent on a Toyota.

[Mark]

Right.

[Guest]

And the original Lexuses were legit, just re badged Toyotas with leather seats. But it was just enough to be good. Good.

[Alex]

Like that's weird how our brains work

[Guest]

in that, that original LS400 is so cool. I don't know.

[Alex]

Car. That was your first car?

[Guest]

Yeah, no, no, my first car was a Toyota Avalon, which is like the Toyota's version. They were trying.

[Alex]

I remember that.

[Mark]

What was the Lexus you had in College though?

[Guest]

Es 300.

[Alex]

It was the Toyota Corolla, then the Toyota Camry and then the Toyota Avalon.

[Guest]

I have the Avalon now they have the crown, I think is like their new high brand.

[Alex]

But I think Uber did, did that. So when Uber first started, it was just black cars.

[Mark]

Oh really?

[Alex]

In its earliest iteration. So it was like you got a fancy car service and then as they scaled, they got to do Uber X or whatever it is where like it barely needs four wheels and like spells and it's horrible. But like you're. But they knew. They're like, we can offer a cheaper version of this. Yeah, but Lyft for example, start. Started at the version. Nobody's ordering a Lyft black car. Yeah, yeah, right, because your perception of Lyft, right, is the cheap. No, exactly.

[Mark]

You ever order Uber and a yellow taxi pulls up. That is hilarious.

[Alex]

That is a little frustrating.

[Mark]

He goes, from Mark. I'm like, how do you know my name? Yeah, who told you my name?

[Miles]

What do you know about me?

[Mark]

What is going on here?

[Alex]

Remember Uber pool?

[Mark]

Oh yeah, bro.

[Guest]

You'd, you'd be going uptown and someone else would be going uptown on the same street and they just pick them up and you'd be Talking in the car.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, that was wild.

[Guest]

I also like that time of the night where you in New York City can land it, where the black cars are going down to just regular Uber X. You just call Uber X and a nice ass.

[Alex]

Like, oh, how good does that feel when you, when you call like just the Uber regular and yeah, it's like,

[Miles]

oh, a nice little free.

[Mark]

I was talking my buddy Chris out about this. The Uber tried to roll out a thing where they were like, okay, we're going to have like a van, like a, like an eight or 10 passenger van that goes on specific routes and then you can get on at any point and get off at any point. And he was like, you just invented the bus driving bus.

[Alex]

That's not even Uber. Jamaicans were doing that in Brooklyn for our entire life. There was a two dollar bus and it was like an unsanctioned thing in Brooklyn.

[Miles]

It was the Dollar Van or the Dollar Van.

[Alex]

I think it went up to 2.

[Mark]

Damnation.

[Alex]

But it was, it was the dollar Van in Brooklyn and it was always Jamaicans that ran it and they had their route and that's kind of how you got around parts of Brooklyn that didn't have a of lot of bro.

[Miles]

That's how I got around Far Rockaway.

[Alex]

Was it in Queens too? Yeah, I guess there's Jamaicans in Queens.

[Mark]

Yeah. Wow. I mean that's so funny. I feel like, like Chinese churches have this all the time.

[Alex]

Well, well, Chinese had the, the bus.

[Mark]

Yeah, it was a full bus.

[Alex]

So Chinese would do this bus service that would take you from Chinatown to Chinatown. So you could go to Boston, but you go from Canal street to Boston Chinatown and it basically was cheaper than every other Greyhound bus service or bolt bus or whatever that still to this

[Guest]

day I took it.

[Alex]

D.C. was the route. So that was like the little hacking and white people found out about it and you just had to be cool with the dude with like a live chicken on his lap. But it was by far the cheapest.

[Miles]

Yeah, like 20 bucks.

[Alex]

I think there was like a murder on it.

[Miles]

No, I'm pretty sure these buses always accidents. No, no.

[Alex]

Do you remember there was like a, there was like a gang. I think it was like some gang shit because they were obviously like, I don't know if this is for sure, but you assume that they can charge that cheap because they're also running something else between the different Chinatown.

[Mark]

Interesting.

[Guest]

You remember the murder that happened on the bus where the guy cut, I

[Alex]

think co spread so fast. Like there's, there's A the mega bus flew.

[Mark]

No, I know exactly the better.

[Guest]

The one where he cuts other guy's head off right in front of everyone on the bus. You ever heard of this?

[Alex]

Was that on a Chinatown bus?

[Guest]

No, I think it was in Canada, bro.

[Mark]

Yeah, it was in Canada. This guy, Vince Wa Gang Lee killed a 22 year old after hearing what he thought was the voice of God. He starts killing the guy. Everyone runs off to the bus, he beheads him and holds up the head

[Guest]

in the window and he's like smiling and.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

God told me to do this. And according to BBC News, he was out, bro. Granted freedom.

[Alex]

Yeah, he's out off of insane. Momentary insanity or whatever it's called.

[Mark]

Yeah. According to this article, the voice told me that I had a third story of the Bible and that I was the second coming of Jesus and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said that he was, quote, really sorry.

[Miles]

Who's to say that's not true?

[Guest]

He's really sorry.

[Mark]

He's really sorry.

[Guest]

And then guys, I didn't mean to do that.

[Mark]

He was allowed to live in his own apartment in Winnipeg, Manitoba and is still the subject to moderating to ensure that he took his medication.

[Miles]

Not true. We keep calling these people crazy, man. Maybe they just prophets, right.

[Mark]

We call Noah crazy.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And built an ark. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Miles]

They called Eileen crazy. You know.

[Mark]

No, no.

[Alex]

All right. Final. Of course.

[Miles]

I wasn't trying to catch you.

[Alex]

What are my next hat?

[Guest]

Yeah. Final feelings. No, fact.

[Alex]

You or my next hat.

[Miles]

That clip is so funny, bro. Just watching that was so good.

[Guest]

Talk about it. You want to do game one? You want to talk about the series?

[Alex]

I want to talk about the series. What do we have for the series?

[Miles]

We busting that ass. That's where we at 701 right now.

[Alex]

Cowshi odds for the series are 71% percent. I hate this. I don't even feel comfortable being ahead. Yeah. Like I feel my comfort is being the underdog and having irrational confidence about that.

[Mark]

Right.

[Alex]

My comfort is not we're supposed to sweep them. That makes me feel very. Yeah, I, I.

[Mark]

Well, let's go back to April 23rd. Yeah.

[Guest]

April 23rd at 1am it was. Cleveland was up. So you would, you would have been happy then.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

How do you feel about that? Cleveland's busting your ass in April 23rd.

[Alex]

That's better. I feel better about that.

[Miles]

I got a stable pass. Yeah.

[Alex]

How do you feel?

[Miles]

Al, I'm only going to game one because it's like, if I'm bad luck, we'll still have enough time to recover.

[Alex]

Why would you even do that?

[Miles]

I got to go to one.

[Alex]

That's selfish. I got to go to. I got to go to one.

[Mark]

Come on.

[Miles]

Selfish. I got to go to one.

[Alex]

We're going to remember.

[Miles]

We feel, too. This is.

[Alex]

Come on.

[Mark]

We got. We don't remember this.

[Miles]

Got to go to one.

[Alex]

I got to go.

[Mark]

Where are you going to be for game one?

[Alex]

In a bunker, soundproof studio.

[Miles]

Got to go.

[Alex]

I'll be honest. I thought about. I thought about going. I thought about going, and I was like, let's get a couple W's on our belt first. Let's just see what happens. Let's just see what happens. Let's see how the boys play. They've been off. That's another thing. They've been off for a week. That's good.

[Miles]

They're nice and rested. Cleveland win seven games. They tired.

[Alex]

Yeah, they're tired, but they're also in a rhythm. They're in a. A rhythm. They're in a rhythm.

[Miles]

Come on.

[Guest]

Did you check your DMs? Did anyone send you some sneak photos of them out at clubs or anything?

[Alex]

Somebody sent me something. Somebody sent me something. Not out of the club. It was like, somebody they were talking about. It was like one of the Knicks players talking about something, but I think they've been good.

[Miles]

Okay, but, you know, Harden's already celebrating at a strip club. Like, we good?

[Alex]

Well, that's the other thing. It's like, they got partiers on Cleveland.

[Miles]

Yep.

[Alex]

And, like, New York. Yeah, New York. This is where it's time. Like, you got to be s up.

[Mark]

You got to do a s up.

[Alex]

It's not even a sc.

[Mark]

You got to send in the honey pots, dude.

[Alex]

Yeah, but that's not a. Is that a sign up? I thought a s up is something else.

[Mark]

I mean, kind of just covert operation.

[Alex]

Weaken the knees. You got guys that want to party. If there's anybody, like, if the. It should be free liquor, free tables for any Cleveland y.

[Mark]

Any cab, put their ass against the window, start sucking.

[Alex]

Sucking.

[Mark]

Put them up against the window. Lick the booty hole.

[Alex]

I mean that sincerely. Like, there. There are hoes here in New York. New York that you guys that really don't deserve you. Now, you could do something great for the city. You could be a hero. Yeah, you could literally be a hero. So you know who to go after on that team. And, like, listen, this is the greatest city in the world. People get caught up in a Lot of these guys in Cleveland. They're in Cleveland all year. They never experienced fine dining like this.

[Miles]

Use that throat for good.

[Alex]

Yeah, I don't use the throat. Like, listen. Use some old fish in their meals. You know what I mean? Like, if they're going out to eat, there's more ways to listen. Michael Jordan just randomly gets a flu after having pizza at 2 in the morning. No, they poison that. I'm not saying you should poison people.

[Mark]

No, suck him off. James Harden. He needs to get sucked off. I'm not saying needs to be sucked off.

[Alex]

We don't want any lasting damage.

[Mark]

Max Truss needs to be sucked off. Sucked off. Jared Allen. Sucked off. We need all of these sucked New York now.

[Alex]

It's time, bro. You don't just let the boys fight on the court. This is a fight the entire series. Wherever they are, drain them. Drain them out.

[Guest]

Suck them.

[Alex]

Suck them, dude. Be a eater, yo. I mean, literally, like, now is the time. Like, now is if you're. Now is the time, man. That's all I. Now's the time, guys. We all need to rally around our boys and make it as easy as possible for them out there. It's a commitment as a city. Yeah.

[Mark]

You can do your part.

[Alex]

You can do your part. You will be rewarded for it.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Mark]

If.

[Alex]

If you are the girl that causes unbelievable turmoil for any team the Knicks are facing, just know you're queen of the city.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Alex]

You're queen of the city. Doors are open.

[Mark]

Put them on a parade. Give them the front float of the parade.

[Alex]

They would absolutely get that. We celebrate like that. Yep.

[Mark]

It's a very liberal city.

[Alex]

It's a very liberal city.

[Mark]

If you're sucking off James Donovan. Max, Evan and Jarrett, get on front of the float.

[Alex]

Dude. I'll be honest. I think that we would reward that here.

[Miles]

Oh, absolutely.

[Alex]

We would absolutely award that.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Anyway, we got this.

[Miles]

We got this.

[Alex]

All right.

[Mark]

We also. The obsession movie. I think you're going to be f to me. Netflix MVP fights obsession movie. We got the Odyssey trailer that people are talking about.

[Alex]

Should we go rip a little Patreon on these right now? Okay, we're going to rip Patreon right now. We'll see you guys there. Patreon.com Flagrant Peace.

[Mark]

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