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On today's episode of Andy Narion 3, presented by Polymarket on three releases. It's preseason All America team. Couple things. Jump out quarterback and running back from Ole Miss. They made semis last year, yet they're not getting the most buzz to go back to the playoff. Are we wrong on that? Also, there's a lot of Longhorns on that list. And a lot of Longhorns. We'll break down all of the All Americans, first team through third team, because there's some very telling things in those lists. Plus, Florida introduces throwback uniforms honoring Steve Spurrier's Heisman season of 1966. Meanwhile, new coach John Summerall gets on the mic and sounds an awful lot like Steve Spurrier. The question is, can he coach like Steve Spurrier will break that down. Plus, the new Purdue AD tried to come in Lark Kirk Signetti didn't quite get that right. He apologized. But we will delve into what he said. Is it possible what he said, if he said it a little better? We'll talk about it all today on Annie Norrion 3, presented by Polymarket. We got a new sponsor alert. Ari. We are now brought to you by Polymarket. That's right. Available in all 50 states. Download that Polymarket app. And now we're taking positions.
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Well, before we get into this, I just want to say too, that I watched Chris Lowe source the information. He was circling around the on three offices, showing everybody his list and asking opinions and names. So, you know, he wrote this. But he did a really good job, I think, of getting different secondary opinions. But, Andy, I know that, you know, you and I are friends and we're, you know, usually in agreement. Can I ask you a stupid question? What did you think it was going to say, a quarterback and running back? It's not like, as. It's a surprise.
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I know. And here, here's. Here's where I was. And this is. I was thinking about this as we were walking around the personnel symposium last week, talking to people about who they liked who. Who they want to see more improvement from. And when I was making my swing and trying to fit Michigan in there, I was like, okay, so who among the. The teams that most people would put in the playoff do I take out? I took out Ole Miss, but I should have asked the question, like, who do I trust more in this situation? Do I trust Trinidad Shambliss or do I trust John Matier more? And I think the answer is Trinidad Shambliss. So I should have taken Oklahoma out, left Ole Miss in. I think that's where I messed up.
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Well, when you're. When you're doing this. So the thing that I, I think is interesting about the Ole Miss situation is, you know, a year after we just got done watching a team that had four picks taken in the top 11 lose in the quarterfinals of the playoff, when you're making these projections, I think it's very easy to be reliant or even over reliant on who's playing quarterback for the specific team. And I, I think that as we're Doing this segment too. We should have an actual discussion about whether or not you believe that Trinidad Shambles actually is the best quarterback in college football. Because I think there's some debate to that.
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No, you look at the. I'm glad, I'm glad you said that because I want to have that discussion. Because while I think there's probably some debate, that's who I would choose.
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Yeah.
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So I did a list earlier in the off season and I got absolutely torn apart for this. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, it was the top 10.
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Trinidad was definitely coming back, right? He was still dealing.
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No, this was post Trinidad coming back. Oh, I didn't have my quarterbacks list, but I had top 10 overall returning players and I had Arch Manning and it was the, I think believe the only quarterback on the list.
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Yeah, you screwed that up. You should have Trinidad on that list.
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So Trinidad was not in Ole Miss fans maybe rightfully got angry at me.
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Yeah.
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And I'm just coming to the conclusion because this is the same conclusion that Chris Lowe came to when he was surveying the story because Arch Manning is his second teamer, that maybe Trinidad Shambliss. And I think that most personnel people, like, I think I'm okay with saying I might be wrong on that, especially considering the fact that he was so magical in the biggest games of the year last year. Like, he was good all throughout the year and he got him in the playoff. But don't you think that Chambliss played his best football when the entire country was watching?
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I agree with that. And here's the thing. If you're an NFL scout, yes, you're going to take Arch Manning, you're probably going to take CJ Carr, you'll probably like those guys better. But if you're just building a college football team, well, who has been the best playing college football based on what we've seen? Like, if you just said, I'm going to have a call a high stakes college football game, which quarterback playing right now has performed the best has been magical in high stakes college football games. I think you go Trinidad Shambliss based on what we saw at the end of the last regular season and into the playoff.
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Just a thought exercise though, because I like talking about Trinidad. How many times do you think, Andy, in the past when you're trying to project who the best player was in college football going into the year, that the person that was most proven the previous year ends up being the answer the following year? Like, I think that, like, that is a pretty easy thing to do when you're trying to make these offseason lists just rely on what we've seen. But there has to be some element of projection when it comes to, like, how you go about this.
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For sure. I'll give an example. 2012, Johnny Manziel wins the Heisman Trophy. He's, you know, I think he led the SEC in rushing in 2012 and his passing numbers were also awesome going into 2013. We're talking about, is this going to be the first two time winner since Archie Griffin? And he actually had a great season in 2013. Like, his stats were incredible. But the guy who won the Heisman didn't even play in 2012 because he was red shirting is Jameis Winston. And Jameis Winston was categorically better than Johnny Manziel in 2013. So, like that. That's true. I'm trying to think of the last time the quarterback we thought coming into the year who had been, you know, the most proven the year before was the best. Bryce Young, maybe?
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Yeah.
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BAKER Mayfield in 2017 for sure. Marcus Mariota in 2014, definitely. But it's not, you're right, it does not happen every single year.
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What I think looking back at the previous year does for you is I think it makes you or it defines clearly what the basement or the floor is for that player. Like, we know for a fact that Trinidad's going to be really good. That said, it's hard to quantify who people that will be competing in hit against him in the Heisman race and on the field might not have a better overall ceiling. So like, I think for, like, it's easy to like, rely on what you saw last year because you know definitively what he is at his best. And, you know, he's not going to be bad. Like, there are certain things like, and I think this is an Arch Manning discussion too because I had him ahead and he was the second team quarterback on this list. But Arch Manning ceiling so far I don't think has been defined yet. I think that Arch Manning paled in comparison in terms of production and how good he was to Trinidad a year ago. But I don't think that necessarily, you know, creates a defined line of who's going to have a better season. So, you know, I think it's a safer pick to go with Trinidad. I don't know if it's a bona fide obvious answer. So. And, and I think that that's kind of just the way that we identify college football in general, which is, what have you done for me lately? And it's a whole new season and last year's playoff run isn't going to win it. Ole Miss any games and you know, we have to go out and perform in a way that, you know, might not have been seen a year ago. And that's, that's pressure on Arch. It's pressure on everybody. It's like Lenora Sellers is facing as much pressure at that position and isn't on any of these lists as just about anybody in college football. But in terms of like lowest floor or highest floor, I mean, Trinidad makes sense on this list.
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Well, and Trinidad also has Kiwan Lacey, which is a huge safety blanket. You've got a running back who you're talking about, you know, six yard a carry guy that makes a huge difference. You're going to get defenses that are terrified of what Kiwan Lacey can do and they're going to have to put extra guys in the box to deal with him because Ole Miss we know is going to run the ball. It's a, it's a new offensive coordinator in John David Baker, but we know he's smart enough to, to look at the box and say, I have Q on Lacey. If the box is light, I'm gonna run the ball with Kiwan Lacey. And don't forget how often the box
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is going to be light against this team. But they're going to run it anyway.
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But here's the other part. You also have to account for Trinidad Shambliss running as well. So I mean Trinidad is going to have opportunities to have one on one matchups with his receivers down the field and it is going to, to be a situation that I think he can take advantage of now. All right? If Trinidad Shambas is not the best QB in America, so he does, and, and best QB in America probably, probably gonna win the Heisman, probably gonna have his team in the national title hunt. If it's not him, who is it?
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Before I answer that, because I need to unpack that mentally, I wanted to ask you though, because as we go through and I think another topic that we're going to have here is that there are four Longhorns on the first team All American list and neither are Arch Manning or Cam Coleman, which gives you an idea of how good that team is. When you look at Ole Miss and you look at Trinidad, I think that he has a really good chance of winning the Heisman because he doesn't have other stars. I know Kewan Lacey's there, but running
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back runs for 1900 yards. He may win the Heisman, but But
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winning the Heisman as a running back is even harder than winning it as a receiver, isn't it? Like, it's really difficult.
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No, it's easier than winning it as a receiver.
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Historically, you think it is historically.
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Okay, I know it is historically.
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I wanted to ask you about Ole Miss's team, though. If. If they're a playoff team and if they, you know, make the, you know, SEC championship game or whatever it is that they do, don't you think that the perception will be that Trinidad and. Or Kiwan Lacey drag them there? And I think that that actually has a huge impact.
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They're not bereft of talent on their roster.
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Aria.
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These. This is. They've got no. I know, but they have players on this All America list. If you go down. Yeah. And, you know, as the list goes on, so I don't think completely.
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We're going.
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We're going to see Ole Miss have some stars emerge, which that happened every year in the Lane Kiffin era, where you didn't know some of these guys initially, and then they blew up, which I think is probably going to happen this year for them, too.
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Can I give you a bonus player I'm, like, secretly excited about, but kind of admitted or scared to admit on a podcast because I'm going to look like a recruiting simp. Do you know one of the receivers this year? I don't know if you'll guess who I'm going to say. Do you know who I'm going to say?
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Chris Marshall.
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No. Jon Tay Cook is on there.
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Oh, John. Sorry, I. Wrong guy. Who'd been at like, four different schools.
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Yeah, yeah, but John Tay Cook has been at four different schools because he's gotten into some trouble. Right.
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And Chris Marshall also had gotten some trouble.
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So those guys are very talented players. So as it. As the season goes, if they can, you know, get their ax turned around and, you know, play at a high level, like, those could be some pretty exciting players, too. So, you know, Ole Miss, you know, overall, Andy, I think you might have made the wrong decision. But at the same time, I think sometimes making the wrong decision unintentionally in the off season also turns out to be the right thing because the. The season is insane and nobody knows.
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Well, I'm still fascinated by who this is because obviously Arch Manning is the name on. On top of everyone's list. But I. You know, you could have a comeback from Lenora Sellers to. To a 2024 vintage type season, which would be really good. He'd look amazing in that in that case, CJ Carr at Notre Dame I think is going to be better than he was last year and they're going to rely on him more last year or more than last year because they, they lose two first round running backs and they have maybe the deepest receiving core they've had in years there.
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So your question that you're answering right now or like which players have a, have a pretty good shot of winning the Heisman?
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Well, no, I mean, if it's not if Lenoris or excuse me, if Trinidad Shambles is not the best QB in America by the end of the year, who is like, who, who takes that, that mantle?
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Okay. I mean there's one name that hasn't been mentioned and isn't on the list as a first or second teamer that has Oregon fans pulling their hair out, which is quarterback that could have been in the top five pick of the NFL draft a year ago. And they have a really good team. And you know, Oregon too is obviously and you know, expected to be represented on this list.
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And Dante Moore is going to have more people to throw to because remember his receivers had terrible injury luck last year.
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Yeah, no, exactly. But in terms of like who's going to be the shining star, there are a few dark horses I want to go through because obviously we're talking about Dante Moore isn't good for the pot. Everyone knows Dante Moore is good. So Oregon fans don't get upset that we're not like, no, no, he's great. We know he's good. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So here are the names that I think are, are like if I were to do long shot, Heisman, you know, projections or people that I think will be in the mix, they're, and these aren't like huge underdogs, but people that aren't in the same class as Arch Manning and even Trinidad, like Jaden Mayava is one where if he has a really good year, you know, he could really, he's going to be productive. He's in a Lincoln Riley offense. My, my thought is that they will be more talented across the board. Terrell Anderson that they brought in from NC State, I think is going to have a really good year. Receiver. He's, he's somebody. Darian Mensah is another one. Obviously he was one of the stars of the off season because he took a huge payout and left Duke to go to Miami and it was kind of a, a huge thing. But like when you look at what they have around him, if Miami can figure out their offensive line and I think It's a pretty solid bet that they will. It seems like generally impossible that he might not like lead the country in passing this year.
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With Cooper, of course, Malachi, Tony, interestingly enough. So I'm looking at Polymarket right now. I'm on the app, the Heisman Trophy winner market. It is kind of similar to trying to pick the national champion where there is no clear cut favorite. Arch Manning and C.J. carr are tied to with 13% of the market. And then Darian Mintz is number three at 11%. Oh, behind him, Dante Moore, John Matier, Julian say and Trinidad Shambliss all. And Moore has 8%. Mater saying and Shambliss all have 7%. So like it is wide open. There's no agreement on this at all.
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Okay.
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And then here's one that might be a good segue since we've talked about ole miss for 10 minutes. Where is Josh Hoover?
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That is a great question. He's at 5%. So that is a. That is a dark horse.
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And guess I know he's had some turnover issues, has been very well documented this off season by Sonny Dykes and everybody else. But if you look at this all American list, Andy river, throw it up again. You might see a few things there that. Yeah, so Carter Smith I think is the best offensive tackle in the country, you know, and they have some really good defenders that we know. But here's the thing that I think is most fascinating about this. Obviously Josh Hoover's not on it, but one of the most impactful transfers who I think is going to be a huge piece of the puzzle here is Nick Marsh and he's not on the first or second team, obviously receivers are very deep position.
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One of their receivers is on the
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second team and their other receiver, who by the way is the reason I know that, like, listen, here's a little hot take from eight months ago. We were at the game, the national championship game. I know Fernando Mendoza's run is going to be played in Bloomington like above or just portraits of it in every living room in Bloomington. Let me ask you just a real question. If Charlie Becker did not exist, is Miami the national champion last year?
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Yes. And if Charlie Becker doesn't exist, Indiana also loses to Penn State because the Omar Cooper catch at Penn State is incredible. Unbelievable catch at the end of the game in the end zone. It does not happen without the Charlie, the Charlie Becker catch along the sideline where he basically defies gravity.
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And you still have to give credit for Fernando Mendoza and him executing the back shoulder throws on those fourth Downs, because the throws were in the perfect spot for him to reverse and, you know, catch it on the back shoulder. But, like, when you think about the stage, the moments, the downs, the national championship game where they were on the road basically, in Miami, like, to execute that play not once, but twice perfectly in the biggest moment. I mean, God, the marbles on that guy. I mean, it's unbelievable. So.
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But let's. So Indiana's also got Tyreek Tucker, the defensive tackle last seen jawing at Mark Fletcher, or Mark Fletcher Jr. Was drawing at him after the national championship game. Relijah Hardy, the linebacker, also on. On the first team. And then if you go down to the third team, you get a very productive edge. Guy named Stephen Daly, who, as of two weeks ago, thought he was done with college football. So Indiana, embarrassment of riches. Like, they're just getting guys back that thanks to a federal judge in Colorado, this dude's got another year.
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Well, and I know, Andy, that you started the show by saying, hey, I might have made a mistake. I had Indiana in my black playoff bracket. So I started.
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I.
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But I had them at 10 or 11.
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Yeah.
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Like, I had them picture finishing third in the big 10 or fourth in the big 10. I can't remember what the. I did the math. I can't remember what it was a few weeks ago. Was I wrong for, like, am I being an idiot? Kurt Signetti, talent doubter Right now,
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I think we both could be. But I also think it's possible that they're good, but that they're not utterly dominant because we don't know how good they're going to be with this group. The chemistry is going to be different. I mean, it obviously worked out perfectly. I can't possibly work out better than it did last year. Better than going undefeated, beating everybody in your path. If everything goes the time, beating the
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crap out of them, if everything goes absolutely perfect and they have a dream season that you could write in a movie script, it would only match what they did already. It wouldn't exceed. But no, I. But, Andy, if you have the best offensive tackle in the country, you have two really good receivers, your defensive line is very good, and your coach the way that they are, like, that's a pretty good combination for some dominant football. And I think that it goes back to the way that we started the conversation, which is, is Josh Hoover's turnovers because he was. Felt like he was, like, put in a position to have to make plays last year for a TCU team that couldn't run well or is this something that's going to rear its ugly head on the biggest stage in the biggest moments. Like, I don't know, I think that like what Indiana does is very much square on his shoulders and it's a lot to ask. And I gotta say, I don't care how big of a genius Kurt Signetti is, you're not going to get the number one overall pick in the NFL drafted quarterback in every off season. It's just, it's not going to happen. So, you know, I think that Fernando Mendoza is a special type of guy who, you know, I'm, I, I'm very high on him. I know he's on a bad team with the Raiders, but I think he's going to be very good because he has the mental makeup. But if the bar is, is kind of matching what Fernando did last year, I think that that's like an insane thing to expect. So, you know, I think he has to be pretty good. But if Fernando Mendoza was pretty good instead of great last year, then maybe Indiana doesn't win the championship. Like that's the, there's a huge difference between those two things.
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Yeah, I do think we might still be guilty of underrating Signetti again, which is crazy after last year.
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Yeah, putting Indiana, rating them in year
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three last year we were like, leave them out of the way too early, top 25, then put them into the, the preseason top 25 and realize we made that mistake, but not put them in the top 10 where they should have been. And yeah, I think now not putting in the top five might be disrespecting them in another way.
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Can I take this, this conversation into a three minute rest area? I want to ask you a question about Indiana, but also kind of like the, the number one debate right now, and it has always been in college football. How important are logos when it, when it pertains to rankings, getting in the playoff, all these things? I think there's a lot of BYU fans out there that believe that if they had a different helmet, they would have been in the playoff last year. And I think that some of that is, is crap and some of it isn't. But do you think that Indiana, through their success in winning the national championship, is still dealing at all with brand bias? Or do you think that they have completely knocked that down? How many years does it take, what accomplishments does it take before people start viewing Indiana collectively as a college football community? The same way they would with a Oregon or an Ohio State or a Texas?
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It's interesting that you mentioned Oregon. There Because I think Oregon is the one that has overcome that. Yeah, Oregon and Clemson are probably the ones that have overcome that the most recently. And obviously Clemson is dealing with what it's dealing with in terms of record.
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Now has Indiana overcome it?
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No, absolutely not. I mean, and it took Oregon a long time. Oregon played for the national championship twice before. People really took them seriously as a year in, year out contender. And Indiana has won the national title, gone undefeated. But you, you hear people say, oh well, they just caught lightning in a bottle, guys. They didn't catch lightning in a bottle. This dude clearly knows what he's doing.
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Yeah.
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Now is he going to win the national title every year? Of course not. But is it possible that he's going to have a good team and possibly a top of the Big Ten type team every single year? It is definitely possible. If you can in two years win the freaking national title at Indiana, you can put a consistently good product on the field year after year.
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Yeah. My perception is, is interesting on this because I think that like winning the national championship obviously is the ultimate middle finger to anybody who doubted you. Like, because there's literally, you can't say anything about an unbeaten team that won it all. But I think that in order to break down the brand bias and the reason why you definitively said no when I asked you that question is it isn't about a single season. The biggest challenge that a lot of these lower tier brands face is that it's about time in the spotlight. And I know that winning the national championship might give you one of those like Mario Kart, like boosters and boost you the front of the line. But the reason why Oregon has beaten the brand bias thing is not because they won a national championship, they still have yet to do it. It's because Oregon's actually very good every year and they've been good every year. So people accept them as being very good. I still think Indiana has years to go and I, you know, if they make the playoff again, maybe I'll be wrong about that, but it's about time in the limelight and I don't care how good you are, Indiana still is kind of facing that. And I, you know, I, I think you're insane for doubting Kurt Signetti if you do. I have lost a lot of, you know, social online discussions as a result of semi doubting him. But I still think that Indiana has a ways to go in terms of total time and spotlight before their logo is viewed the same way. Like gives you the same Melatonin releases When you see LSU on a graphic previewing a big game on Saturday.
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Well, and to go back to the Oregon example, the last time Oregon had a bad season, 10 seasons ago, it was, it was right. 2017, when Mark Helfrich got fired. They have been good every year since then.
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Yeah.
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So that, that's why now when we see that over there, it's like, oh, yeah, they're pretty good. They're always good.
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Yeah, yeah, they're going to be good. And I think we'll get to the point where you just struggle. Oh, yeah, Indiana is going to be good. But again, Kirstag, Netti, you're. You're the best. No one's, no one's doubting you. But I do think that, you know,
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yeah, people know we're not doubting him. People are definitely still doubting him. And I'm sure, I'm sure he loves that.
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I mean, it's just you. It would be so much easier to doubt him, Andy, if there weren't a bunch of IU names on this list. It's like we already know definitively that he's a good coach and he can get his team playing mistake free fundamental football. Like, that's already proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Now, the other question would be in terms of sustainability, it would be, well, can you get the players in there still? Well, look at the list. Like, it's right there. Like he has the player. Yeah.
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So. But again, yeah, a bunch of Texas players on that list. You see some Texas Tech on there, which, which explains why we're very high on Texas Tech winning the Big 12 again. But, you know, got a little Houston in there, got Kelly Jones the corner for Mississippi State, who is awesome and who is, is, you know, potentially first round draft pick. So it's not all consolidated at the same schools. And, and you know, I think that's, that's one interesting thing about this list is I see 1G and 1 block O on the first team. Whereas in the last, you know, 10 years, it would have been dominated with GS and Blockos and the script A. And we don't even see a script A at all on there. Can I give you a two block goes two. Two Ohio State, guys.
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B
Sorry, another observation. Yeah. Because we did have Rhett Lashley on the show last week talking about how the ACC is very good. I only see one ACC logo on there. Am I missing one?
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A
I think you're right. Oh, by the way, that is one blocko. I was right the first time. Jeremiah Smith is the One.
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B
Yes.
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A
Nobody on the defense because remember, all of those guys went to the NFL. There's a bunch of young defensive players at Ohio State who, by the way, maybe first, some of them may be first team All Americans by the end of the season.
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B
Yeah, there's a lot of young players on Ohio State's defense. Kenyatta Jackson's a name that I would circle on there as. As you know, because these lists are great and it's a good.
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A
Like Luke Petty, John. Yeah, they're there. There's some dudes that'll, that'll pop up that you're gonna, you're gonna remember by.
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B
These lists are fun because they're good, like, you know, guided trails into the season. But when you get into the season, guys, if you're gonna hike, you're not staying on the trail. Not in college football. So we'll see.
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A
That's exactly right. Well, no Gators on that list. None at all? No, I don't believe there were any on the first team away. Jaden Bond might be on here somewhere, but I mean, a piece of third team All American on our list. So that is not what Florida fans were used to. It is kind of now what they're used to, and that's why John Sommerles is there. They're trying to, trying to fix that. They introduced something on Monday. Ari. Harkening back, it's interesting because it harkens back to a time when Florida still had not gotten to the top of college football. But it's a celebration of the guy who got them there. So Florida unveiled the 1966 throwback Steve Spurrier throwback, you know, celebration jerseys because obviously Steve Spurrier won the Heisman Trophy in 1966. They're celebrating that achievement this year. Are these uniforms are fire. They are amazing.
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B
I love them. I think, didn't we rank them? I might not have taken them. We were doing throwback draft.
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A
Yeah, I use the ones for two that they wore in 2006, which was a white helmet with a block F. So this is, this is the blue helmet with the block F in the circle and then the, the white, white on white with the shoulder yolks and the matching pants stripes.
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B
Perfect.
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A
This is a beautiful uniform. Beautiful uniform. Cannot wait.
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B
It's the thing that's been true about Florida is that blue and orange. I don't know if they have fancy names for the shades of blue and orange there.
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A
I know sometimes people, they just say orange and blue. It's the orange of the sunshine and the blue of the water.
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B
It's the, maybe the most beautiful color combination in sport. Like, I I this gives me some, like, Denver Broncos throwback feels, you know, with the D with the Bronco coming through it. Like, I mean, those are beautiful, beautiful uniforms. But man, I will say that I think that the actual Gator logo that, you know, is typically on their helmet might be one of the best logos in all of sports. So, you know, the throwback emblem. But like, the actual
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A
Gators is a throwback in and of itself because it came in in the 70s, but Florida
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B
has like some of the best swag in college football. And I think that that is a very tasteful, beautiful uniform because it looks old, but it's also modernized in a really nice way. Like, if they wore that every week, that would look, that wouldn't look out of place in today's game.
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A
Oh, I yeah, I, I would. See, I as much as everybody loves the orange helmet with the, the script Gators on it, I like these throwbacks. I've always liked the block F throwbacks probably better than the, than the classic helmet. So if they change to this and wanted to wear this every week, I'd be cool with that. But I know most, most Florida grads would disagree with me, so I I please don't revoke my degree.
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B
But do they tell you what game they're playing? They're wearing these in yet, are they
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A
have not announced which game it is yet. They have said that they would be celebrating the 1966 and 96 teams at the South Carolina game on Oct. 10. But that's a home game and this is a white uniform. So I don' so I don't know if that's necessarily the plan, but like, Georgia has introduced that all white uniform last week that they are going to wear in a home game against Western Kentucky. So I guess maybe those rules don't apply as long as the teams agree to it. So who knows?
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B
Yeah, I always thought that, like, it was the home team that got to decide what the color scheme is and the other team had to.
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A
Well, it's funny that we're talking about Steve Spurger here. He used to always mess with LSU on this one because LSU likes to wear white at home. So I think the road team had to say okay to that. But he would always, when LSU came to Gainesville say, we're going to wear white, so you got to wear something else. Not always, but occasionally when he wanted to needle them, when he wanted to mess with them, he'd be like, we're going to wear the white, our whites at home. Just because our crowd never gets to see it and y' all have to wear a color, a color jersey instead
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B
of the white ones that every single time we show a picture of Spurrier, he's just so swagged out in like 80s and 90s gear that's like, he's
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A
wearing the, like the classic 90s pole coaching polo with the horizontal stripes and faded pants. And he's still swaggier than anybody you've ever met.
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B
Well, I mean, I don't know. I was talking to river about this before you came in this morning, but like the 90s are back in fashion. I don't know if you've noticed. Yeah, I bought it everywhere. Yeah, yeah, like all the ads, you know, I think it's gonna be, you know, times a flat circle, you know, goes around in circles and, you know, things come back. But Andy, I think that the most interesting discussion about this, obviously we agreed the, the uniforms are beautiful. I think most people watching the show would agree because it's aesthetically pleasing. But you know, Spurrier is somebody that you're intimately connected to having, you know, at least played for him. Quasi played for him. Right.
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A
And been around human tackling dummied for him. Yes, yes.
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B
But I think that Florida has been in this never ending search since he left. And maybe, I guess Urban Meyer filled that gap for a few years. Although.
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A
Oh, no, it's. It's funny because Urban won twice as many national titles at Florida as Steve Spurrier one. But the fan base never did embrace him the same way. And like, and I remember so funny because if they won games, even with Irvin, they couldn't win them by enough because they did. He didn't beat teams the way Steve Spurrier beat teams. Like Steve Spurrier is the. I'd say he's the ghost that everybody's chasing, but he lives in town and everybody sees him every day.
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B
I remember when I came to Gainesville and I spoke to the quarterback club in Gainesville. Wonderful group of people, had a great time last year. But this was during the peak of the what's Billy Napier's future? Or who would they get to replace him in discussions. And we got to have some beers and talk to some people in the hallway, very nice people. But everybody was framing it like, who's the most. Like Steve Spurrier. That was like what everybody wanted. And you were talking, you had different candidates or whatever. And I'm wondering because of John Summerall's clap back to the, to the pedicure thing last week on Twitter and like kind of the swag that he has. Is this the closest, personality wise, Florida has gotten? Now, obviously, winning is the harder part, but from a personality standpoint, how would you compare John Summerall to Spurier and do you think there's a chance that they could maybe fill that gap a little bit?
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A
I definitely think he's very close. I. I actually think Will Muschamp just unfiltered Will Muschamp not worrying about what he says in front of the mic would have been the closest thing to Steve Spurrier. And in fact, they got along really well because remember, Steve Spurrier was the coach at South Carolina while, while Muschamp was the coach in Florida. Like when they had the SEC coaches meetings, like, those two always got along the best and must have idolized Spurrier and wanted to. To win like him, but felt like he couldn't really let it rip and be funny like Spurrier unless he was winning more. And so he never got to that point. Sumrall, I don't think cares like you. You got the clap back on. Was it clap back on Dan Orlovsky with the pedicures. You heard him cracking jokes at SEC media days. He does not care. The, the difference is, like, he said something in his press conference on Monday that I don't think I would ever expect to hear from Steve Spurrier. But people were asking about coaching hard and, you know, doing that in this environment. And here's what he said.
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D
Our job is to always be demanding. The standard is really, really high and never waivers. I'm not necessarily into breaking a player down. I am into making things hard. Like, this is a challenging game and tough teams win. And so I think you have to embrace a level of toughness and grit it takes to be successful. You know, I don't have a desire to really break anything down, but I do want our guys to be challenged to the point that they're mentally tough and they can overcome adversity because there's going to be adversity. And so we create adverse situations every day in practice. But I've never really prescribed, like, let's, let's break them down. Now, I do prescribe to the theory of, like, let's push them to the edge. Like, let's make it right there. Let's put our toe right on that line of how hard can we make this? But, but I don't want guys to break down because I want them to all be available. And so I, I don't. I mean, we coach them really, really hard all the time. You know, the guys are. And if they're not coachable or don't want to get coached, and I don't want them to come here because it's not going to be a good fit. But I'm not. I don't really prescribe to like, breaking anybody down. Yeah, I just. I don't know. I want to build. I want to always build them up. But sometimes you build them up by being hard as. I mean, that's like just the truth. Sometimes it's gotta be really, really freaking hard to build them up. But I don't want to ever break them down because I'm. They're broke down. They're not any good.
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A
Now, Spurrier did not take any prisoners in interviews, but I don't think he would break down exactly like how he'd yell at a player. And it's interesting because, like, I understand the dynamics of Coach Spurrier's program probably better than any of them because I was there. And if you were a quarterback or receiver, like Steve Spurrier was all over you at all times, if you played any other position, he was the good cop to your position coaches bad cop. So, like, you didn't look at him as like this terrifying figure. Whereas John Sumrall clearly wants to coach hard, clearly wants his team to have an edge. And I don't think that's any different from what you'd hear Kirby Smart say or what you'd hear, you know, Kurt Signetti say or Kyle Whittingham. I think. I think all those guys are kind of of a. Of a piece. But Summerall just has a way of putting it that makes you laugh or makes you go, oh, wow, he's got an edge to him that, that, that's what Spurrier had. Spurrier was not afraid to be a little bit edgy.
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D
Yeah.
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B
So this is probably going to bleed into the final topic that we have on our show. And I don't want to go too quickly, but lately people have in coaching and some ads have failed to do so as we'll get to later, try to be the. The clever, funny Digster before ever even coaching in a game. Kurtzaghetti did it and was successful. Do you think that what will Muschamp struggle with, which was talking his talk before winning big? Do you actually think that the actual talk in the swag comes first and then the belief comes second? Like. Or do you. Do you subscribe to the way that will Muschen? No.
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A
If must Champ had wanted to, he would have been the funniest coach in the sec, he just, he felt like it wasn't right to do if he wasn't winning big. That was just a per personal preference on his part.
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B
Do you think if he would have been the funniest coach in the SEC from the jump that that would have had any positive impact on his ability to win big?
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A
No, I think choosing better offensive coordinators at Florida from the jump I think would have, would have changed everything. I think having a little bit more forward thinking philosophy as seeing where the game was going.
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B
I go a little galaxy brain all the time and I. And bless you for dealing with it. But I do wonder if like you're an Indiana player and you hear your coach getting mad in public when people doubt that you will win games like, because the thing about Kurt Signetti was he had the quips but behind the scenes if you questioned his, his, his points it would actually anger him because like he didn't just say stuff, he believed it. And I do believe that if you go in and you say, well, we win, all we do is win, we're going to win. And you remind your team of that every day and then say that publicly. That, that does have a, a positive impact on the way people view the program like I do, I do. Again, if you don't have the right players or you don't have the right coordinators, you're not going to win. There's things that you can't overcome. But I do believe that that thought and belief is a huge thing and I'm not even a Ted Lasso fan. I actually do believe that Spurger did.
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A
Like Spurrier made you believe that you were going to win. He made you believe that every time you set foot on that field you're going to win.
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B
Yeah. I mean if you wonder how Indiana got rolling, well, it's no, no wonder they got rolling. They all heard their coach say it was going to happen. And then when it happened once, everybody's like, oh God, this is going to happen a lot. And then it happened a lot.
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A
Yeah. And I think Sumrall, you know, he can say all he wants, we want a tough team, we're going to make it a tough environment. Like, but you have to actually do that. And I do believe they actually do that at practice because if you look at his Troy teams and you look at his two lane teams, they were tough. So he's got proof of concept on this already. Now he has to prove it at a, at the highest level now because he's, he's at a. A big school with big expectations. So he's still got to prove it, but so far, so good on that stuff. And, you know, he's. He's gonna be himself and be funny and doesn't seem to mind letting it rip. And I don't think he cares one way or the other. Like, he's not waiting for, I gotta win an SEC championship before I let my personality show. He's just gonna show it.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I also kind of believe, too, that saying you're going to be tough and you're going to instill toughness is something that every coach in America says. I think they're just aware of how you say it. And, like, Rich Rodriguez is probably one of the toughest old school coaches in the country, and they're not in the national champion discussion right now. Like, a lot of people want to be tough.
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A
Go back to Spurrier. Like I said, he. He'd rip a quarterback up and down a receiver. And there were coaches on the staff that would absolutely tear you to shreds. There were other coaches on the staff who. That wasn't their style. Like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it works all those ways as long as you have the right mix of it. So I. I think that's. There's no one way to do it. There's no perfect way to do it. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna be fascinated to watch Summer all going forward because, again, he's checked all these boxes. And when we were at that Gainesville quarterback club meeting and we were talking, I came up with my. My wish list. What. What I think you know from talking to all the Florida fans what their wish list for a coach is. Scores a lot of points. Where's a visor? Talk shit like, those are the three wishes. And by the way, there was a guy who fit that profile to a T, and his name was Lane Kiffin, and they didn't get him. So John Sumrall wears a hat. Yeah. He's a defensive guy and he talks shit. So you only got one of the three, but you may end up happy with it.
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B
I mean, you also could just, like, throw on the visor one day. Eli Drinkwitz was your other person. Who. Who qualified for that.
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A
Eli Drink was definitely qualified.
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B
He did.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So Florida hat that they keep posting in the B roll or in the background with this picture, man, I tried to find it online because I wanted to buy it for myself, and I. It's a. It just says Florida and has a Jordan logo on it. That's the Coolest hat I've seen in a long time.
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A
See, my head does not that, that does not fit my head shape well at all. I would look like an 8 year old.
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B
You know, Andy, I've got a very small head. You would never know it. Do you know what hat size I wear?
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D
I.
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A
Six and seven. Eight.
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B
No, it's not that small. I'm a seven and one.
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A
Okay.
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B
But people look at me and go, what are you like a seven and seven? Seven and seven eights. I'm like, no, no, I've. I know I'm a larger guy but like I have a, I have a normal sized head.
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A
You have a giant, you have a giant dome on video. I think it's the way, the way we're shot in these shows. Our heads just look enormous.
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B
And, and I also have a very big hair.
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A
I have a very long neck. So I look like a bobblehead.
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B
Yeah, I've got big hair too. So it's like it.
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A
But, but the summer all thing is fascinating to me because none of this like if they were to come out of the gates and, and beat Florida Atlantic, beat Campbell, but then lose to Auburn and Ole Miss in consecutive weeks, none of this will matter to anyone. The fan base won't care. They'll be out for blood. But if he wins those games, oh my God, they're like, we, we found the next Steve Spurrier.
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B
I have some hope. I don't know that it's going to be this year. Although. Dallas Wilson. Hey buddy. You're going to be a first team post. An all American.
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A
I'll give you a name. Fletcher Westfall, offensive tackle, was coming off of off season surgery. They think he's going to be able to play. That is good news because we, we talked to some raw, remember at SEC media days about how many offensive line were quote unquote above the line. Having another one of those would be very helpful. Very helpful indeed.
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B
So also, I don't know if you saw this, but Bruce Feldman at the Athletic released his freaks list on Monday. There's another gator that's very high up on his freaks list.
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A
Jaden woods, baby Woods.
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B
One of the most important retention jobs of the off season. I know that, you know, he's might not be the flashiest, sexiest player nationally in terms of who's exciting, but you know, he's, he's got something.
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A
I was, I was in the gym yesterday, Ari, and I was watching someone try to do power cleans and they were not doing. Their technique was terrible and I wanted to be like, I wanted to just put that Jaden Woods 405 pound power clean on my phone and just set it in front of him and be like, no, do it like this. But not that much weight. Please do it with less weight. Don't hurt yourself.
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D
Yeah.
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B
I don't want to read the reasons why he was on the freaks list, but I think that, you know, everybody who is on that list to some degree has some sort of freakish ability in the weight room. Power cleaning in general is an exercise that I see people do that I can't understand how they don't get injured every time they do it, by the way, because if I try to do it one time, I think I would die.
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A
Technique. That's why you. That's why I was worried for this gentleman next to me on the platform because I was like, I'm gonna have to tell the, the EMTs why his back just exploded. And I don't want to be here when that happens.
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B
Yeah, I don't even know what muscle would be working on on that exercise. That's legs working.
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A
We're working on everything. It's a, it's explosion. You're working on your explosiveness.
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B
Okay. So there's no reason why I ever have to do that. No, you don't.
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A
You don't need to explode for any reason. So. Yeah, lucky you. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. I don't need to do those anymore either. I'm old. But yeah. Cannot wait to see what Summerall turns into. Because if he wins, his penchant for letting it rip verbally is going to make him very interesting. But he has to win.
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B
Well, the fact that we've even gotten 10% of it before he's ever coached a game probably shows you that there's. Because I think that Will Muschamp's viewpoint is probably very regular now. Kurt Signetti is an alien in that regard that he like, just let it rip 100% right out of the gate. But could you imagine a Florida starts 50 the way that it'll be or if they get to the playoff next offseason? Like, I think that, you know, you can get a window into someone's personality before they ever coach. And I think it's a pretty good, good start for Florida. I'm pretty excited to see what he does. And the good news for him is that he's got a two week Runway at the beginning of the year that they should be two zero. And, you know, I think we'll know what we have after that. Auburn game on September 19th.
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A
I think we absolutely will. And look after that comes Ole Miss and at Missouri. So it is going to be baptism by fire. Seems like the. The way to put it. All right, let's. Let's talk about somebody else who came in shooting from the hip, and I think very much wishes he hadn't now. Tommy McClellan, the Purdue AD. So we were at Ohio State when this happened, and then the video started filtering out. We'd already finished our shows for the week, and we didn't get a chance to address this, but holy crap. Okay, here's Tommy McClellan introducing himself as the Purdue AD.
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B
Every recruit, every current student athlete will hear this message repeatedly. We are here to win championships. If you don't want to win championships, go to Indiana.
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A
Okay? It's not the sentiment that's wrong. It's the way he said it. And also he. So he's apologized for this. He went on Pat McAfee and said he. He was doing great, except for the. The one unscripted comment he made that he knew in the minute it left his mouth that was gonna be a problem. That wasn't unscripted. We just watched you read it off, whatever you were reading it off of. So you scripted it. You just scripted it poorly. He's trying to be Signetti there, right? This is supposed to be the Signetti speech at the basketball game right after Signetti gets hired when he basically says that they're going to beat Michigan and Ohio State and they're going to crush Purdue, obviously, because that's Indiana's main rival. And everybody's like, well, of course you go after Purdue, but what.
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B
What are you doing?
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A
Curtzing that he going after Michigan and Ohio State, and they actually beat Michigan that year, lost to Ohio State, but then beat Ohio State the next year in the Big Ten championship game.
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B
Can I just provide you with an edit? What if he would have just said, from this day forward, Indiana's the past, we're the future. Same exact idea.
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A
It just.
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B
What he said didn't make any sense. So it didn't land like, I understand.
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A
Well, you can't. Yeah. You can't say, if you. If you want to win championships, don't go to Indiana. They literally just won the championship.
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B
Nobody has won the championship more recently. They are the champions in this current moment. But if you would have said Indiana was cute last year, wait till you see we do or something that made sense. Like the idea that he was like, I know everybody was ripping him to shreds. And I think Partially because it didn't make sense as he was reading it off.
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A
Like, it's not.
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B
It wasn't even like a. It was like he wrote it wrong, which is bad.
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A
Yes.
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B
But I do respect the attempt to rally your fan base and like, I'm not going to rip them to shreds for it. I just wish the execution was a little bit better.
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A
Right. And here's why. Because we laughed at Kurt Signetti when he did that, but he was right. So why can't Purdue do that? Like, two years ago, him saying that in Indiana, we'd be like, that's impossible in Indiana. He just showed us it's possible. Purdue's been good more recently. Purdue was in the Big Ten championship game this decade.
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B
Andy, like Will Stein just said, because of me at SEC media days, this is. This is becoming more and more trendy. A lot of people are saying things that are out of pocket based on where they are on the food chain. Because guess what, man, you know, the amer. The food chain that you, you learn in high school, his. I mean, science class in the animal kingdom is permanent. Like, that doesn't change. Like, the shark will beat the guppy every time, but now the guppy is the defending national champ. Places at Purdue, places like Kentucky that aren't traditional powers in football can actually talk their. And maybe be right one day like that. And that, I think, is an exciting time. So, you know, I don't think I'm gonna give him an A for, for, you know, attempt, but like an F in execution. Like, I think that everybody should attempt to call their shot. Everybody wants to be Babe Ruth and point at the stands. It just. What he did was, you know, Babe Ruth pointing at the stands. And then he swung and mutt and missed.
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A
No, he actually foul tipped it into his own face. That's. That's what he said.
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B
But I mean, listen, can somebody get a writer in there for him? I could have written something badass for him. Just give me a call next time if you want to talk. If you want to talk garbage publicly for the first time ever, I would love to write your jokes.
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A
Do we think Signetti is going to be somewhat merciless on Old Oak and Bucket Day because of this? I would if I were him.
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B
Somebody did the projected spread of the game before and after and added 35 points. So I don't think. I don't think.
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A
I mean, think about what. Think about what Indiana did to Illinois last year. And that was a good team.
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B
Like, that was the single dude that was the Single biggest beatdown of last year and obviously that I'm sure that he's. Kurt Signetti is also already very much.
- [55:21]
A
Indiana beat the crap out of Purdue last year too, but that was when they hadn't really given them any reasons.
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B
But when you're arrival, you're a rival. So you know, I, I, I would be pretty on high alert for that for sure.
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A
Yeah, they won that game 58:3 last year. So he might try to score 100 just because of that comment, which is great and he probably will listen. It's up to Purdue to figure that out.
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D
Yeah.
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A
The beauty of this is, as I tell my kids, you can talk your all you want, but you better be prepared to back it up.
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B
Just write better. Just write better.
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A
Yeah, write better jokes. You know, writing is like a lost Artieri. Write better jokes.
- [56:07]
B
Oh, by the way, he made it rain, didn't he?
- [56:10]
A
He did. Now he, he also wasn't fully committed to the bit. Like he was not sure. Like you could tell he was a little reading and am I, am I really gonna go there on this Bill Belichick girlfriend joke? Yeah, I'm going there.
- [56:23]
B
Yeah.
- [56:25]
A
You have to decide going in. This is me. This is. And that's the difference between Tommy McClellen and Kurt Signetti. Kurt Signetti wasn't reading from anything. He's standing in front of a packed basketball arena going, we're, we're going after Michigan and Ohio State. And everybody's like. And you like, remember they paused for a second and then they cheered.
- [56:49]
B
Like, I'm actually going to change my grade from, from a, for, for attempt to see. Because you have to believe it too. If you write it down, it's not as believable.
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D
Yes.
- [56:58]
A
Yeah, yeah, you gotta believe it. Like, get up there and be like, we're coming after you, Indiana. We saw what you did. We know we can do better. We had Drew Brees, we had Rondell Moore, may he rest in peace.
- [57:13]
B
I actually, do you even think, like, if he would have executed it properly, people would have made fun of them because I don't think you said this thing earlier that people made fun of Signetti last year. Maybe it's just been so long I
- [57:22]
A
forgot, but the one people crush Signetti for that.
- [57:25]
B
Yeah.
- [57:26]
A
He hadn't coached a game yet. But I remember though, you're, you're thinking it came between year one, year two. It didn't. It came right when he got the job. So he's taking over three.
- [57:37]
B
Was also like a regular guest on every podcast and became like A sensation in a way that would have been. He would have been relatively anonymous random Indiana hire that no one gave a about. But then he said that and then he was on our show a few months later. So, like, I do think that there is some, like everyone makes fun of, but I think there's more positives in the long run for putting yourself out there than there are negatives of, like the Twitter jokes that people are going to put on there. And you have to also remember that Indiana this past week, you know, as they were on for Big Ten media day and stuff, it had like notable game Purdue on there and people like, oh, look at this joke of a schedule. Purdue is a notable game. Like forgetting that it's a rivalry, but that's what they think of you. Purdue, the fact that you're even on a graphic as a notable game for Indiana as a laughingstock. Like, you have to do something to shake it up a little bit. And he tried and it just didn't work.
- [58:24]
A
And credit to him for going on Pat McAfee, which is probably the biggest sports show in America now and facing the heat. So I, I think it's gonna be just fine.
- [58:36]
B
Do you think that facing the heat was good or bad? I would have just been like, yeah, I said what you said.
- [58:41]
A
Okay, I think it's good. But yeah, you, you got to say it with your chest. Like Cignadi says it with his chest. Summer, all we just talked about him says stuff with his chest.
- [58:54]
B
That's a good T shirt for. Say it with your chest.
- [58:58]
A
Say it with your chest. Say it with your size. 71 8th head.
- [59:02]
B
Yeah, great, Great head. Great head of hair. Great head size. But, you know, I'm really excited. Andy, tomorrow we have our, I believe is our on three top 25. We get to actually look at people who paid attention to the voting. I, I spent a lot of time making sure I did this the proper way. I saw the rankings. People are going to enjoy it and we're going to get really into it. We'll talk about some questions too, about these teams. Some, some things to like, some things to dislike. It'll be fun.
- [59:26]
A
Also, Ohio State quarterback Julian Sayan joins the show. Remember last year when we're like, Julian saying is good, but he's kind of skinny. He ain't skinny anymore, folks. Skinny. He's been in the weight room. In the weight room. Julian saying on Tomorrow's show, top 25 on tomorrow's show. We're so close to football, I can taste it. Talk to you tomorrow.