America's Kids, A Thanksgiving Crashout and a Deepdive into AI

Summary

Andy Beshear Podcast

Episode: America’s Kids, A Thanksgiving Crashout and a Deepdive into AI

Host: Andy Beshear
Date: December 4, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Andy Beshear hosts two panels of high school students from Atherton High School in Louisville, Kentucky, for an open conversation about the unique challenges facing today’s youth. The episode then shifts to Beshear’s regular roundtable with “the Johns” (John Rabinowitz and John McConnell) for a deep dive on current events: a tragic shooting involving National Guardsmen, President Trump’s controversial Thanksgiving message, international affairs in Venezuela, and the opportunities and dilemmas of artificial intelligence and data centers. Classic segments like “In My Kentucky Accent” and “Gen Z Lingo” round out the show, blending personal insight with playful banter.

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Panel 1: Listening to America’s Youth

(03:29–10:58)

Introductions

• Three high school students introduce themselves:
  • Hayden Gagle: Senior, transgender woman.
  • Bella Miranda: Junior, talented baker.
  • Bianca Phoenix: Senior, fencing and lacrosse enthusiast.

Key Discussion Points

How Gen Z Gets Its News

• Hayden: Aspiring journalist, uses AP News/WDRB/WAVE apps; notes most peers rely on social media.
• Bella and Bianca: Rely primarily on social media (TikTok, Instagram, X [Twitter], YouTube); also influenced by class discussions.
• Quote:

  “For most people my age, I would definitely assume social media.” — Hayden Gagle (05:09)

Perceptions of the World

• Overwhelming amount of negative news; concern about whether young voices matter, despite participation in youth government organizations.
• Maintaining faith in positive change despite daunting headlines.

• “I like to think that there’s more good people in the world than bad people.” — Bianca Phoenix (06:41)

Social Media: Net Positive or Negative?

• Acknowledgement of both upsides and downsides, with social media creating community but also generating anxiety.
• Most popular platforms: TikTok, Instagram, X, and YouTube.

How Should Adults Communicate with Youth?

• Use current lingo, humor, be authentic.
• Give space to express opinions and show understanding.
• “Research stuff you don’t understand.”

Students Interview Andy

• Superhero preference:

  “I’m probably somewhere stuck between Iron Man and Thor. I’m much more Marvel than DC, though I do like Batman.” — Andy Beshear (09:19)

• Favorite lingo from his generation:

  “We had more words for ‘awesome’ than we needed… radical and tubular… but we also had an annoying way of saying something we didn’t mean and then yelling ‘not!’ or ‘psych.’ And those two should not come back.” — Andy Beshear (09:38)

• Thanksgiving food: Andy likes his mac and cheese “made by someone else” and enjoys unique cheese combinations but appreciates traditional versions.

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Panel 2: New Voices, New Concerns

(11:01–22:46)

Introductions

• Seniors Lacy Jones (photographer), Joey Gundol (lacrosse), and Elijah Gorman (baseball).

Key Discussion Points

News Consumption & Political Awareness

• Social media (especially TikTok and X) dominates news consumption; YouTube less common for hard news.
• Political discussions among peers occur mainly when big stories break (e.g., government shutdown).

• “It’s kind of hard for kids our age to really understand what everything means… only when something big happens or something that is easier to understand.” — Elijah Gorman (13:16)

Unique Concerns of Gen Z

• Climate Change: Overwhelming fear for the future after seeing the “climate clock” in New York City.

  “Our generation is the future… what can I do as an individual to change that?” — Lacy Jones (15:39)

• Nuclear Energy: Awareness of misinformation—curiosity about safer alternatives to coal/gas.
• Funding in Schools: Advocacy for public schools over private in government budgeting.

Students’ Questions for Andy

• Shoe collection:

  “Sneaker-wise… I’m 10.” — Andy Beshear (18:08)

• Baseball ties: Andy’s son Will plays for Frankfurt High; Andy is a lifelong (and long-suffering) Cincinnati Reds fan.
• Thanksgiving turkey secrets:

  “You gotta get under the skin with the salt… believe in a citrus brine… you cannot let it dry out, so you’re constantly opening the oven and basting it. If you don’t set off at least one fire alarm, then you haven’t had enough drama in your Thanksgiving.” — Andy Beshear (20:06)

• Advice to seniors: Andy shares his insecurities and how a state arts program helped him find confidence:

  “I was trying to figure out who I was… it’s a big gift to be comfortable in your own skin.” (22:04)

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The Johns’ Roundtable: Processing a Wild Week

(23:23–42:46)

Tragic Shooting in D.C.

• National Guardsmen shot; perpetrator was an Afghan refugee, leading to a pause on refugee programs.
• Debate over proper vetting and government response, balancing security with promises to allies:

  “I do have concerns with folks that we told we will protect you when we were in Afghanistan… but we don’t abandon people that helped keep our troops safe.” — Andy Beshear (25:52)

Trump’s Thanksgiving Rant

• Trump’s Truth Social post politicized Thanksgiving, using inflammatory language including a slur toward Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

• “It’s not like we’re asking a lot of President Trump. Just be a little presidential, maybe not be cruel for just one day, the day Thanksgiving.” — Andy Beshear (44:18)

• “Even from this president, words have consequences. And just, I just say try to be presidential.” — Andy Beshear (31:11)

Venezuela & Foreign Policy

• Reports (disputed) of a “kill order” by Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
• Questions about the legal basis for military action, lack of Congressional involvement, and contradictory pardons in Latin America.

• “You would potentially go to war with one country that you believe is sending drugs… but pardon someone else who is actually convicted.” — Andy Beshear (33:36)

On Drug Epidemic Solutions

• Emphasizes need for holistic approach: border security plus demand reduction, treatment, and hope for recovery.

  “We’ve got to address the demand side and not just the supply side.” — Andy Beshear (34:03)

AI & Data Centers

• AI’s dual potential: major medical advances vs. risk of unemployment.
• Data centers: pros (tax base, potential for school funding) and cons (energy use, few jobs, risk to grid).
• Community engagement is key to successful data center development.

  “If they’re going to come in and use a huge amount of power, they can’t ask the families in the surrounding communities to subsidize them.” — Andy Beshear (37:40) “This is going to be a part of the future. How do we do it in the right way for it to overall be a positive thing for our people?... I just want to get it right.” — Andy Beshear (41:37)

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In My Kentucky Accent: A Lesson on Thankfulness

(42:53–45:33)

• Beshear contrasts Lincoln’s unifying intent for Thanksgiving with Trump’s divisive message.
• Advocates for decency and leadership, encourages listeners to focus on gratitude and kindness, not division.

  “No matter who you vote for… I hope you had a really good holiday. I hope there are things you can be thankful for in your lives, and I hope you’re doing just a little bit to help somebody out that might be a little less fortunate.” — Andy Beshear (45:07)

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Gen Z Lingo: “Clean” vs. “Drip” & More

(46:21–50:25)

• Andy’s son Will introduces the word “clean” (an outfit looking really good), compared to “drip” (swaggy, showy style).
• Playful banter about whose outfit is “clean” or “drip,” with Will giving the rundown.

  “Clean… it’s like you were casually trying to look good.” — Will Bashir (48:23)

• Merch announcement: the podcast will soon offer “clean and drip” apparel and other items—inspired by audience input.

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Memorable & Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “We want our guests to talk about what drives them in life and how they make their decisions.” — Andy Beshear on podcast rules (01:32)
• “For most people my age, I would definitely assume social media.” — Hayden Gagle (05:09)
• “I like to think that there’s more good people in the world than bad people.” — Bianca Phoenix (06:41)
• “Try to always research stuff that you don’t understand.” — High School Student (08:43)
• “You gotta get under the skin with the salt… believe in a citrus brine… you cannot let it dry out.” — Andy Beshear’s turkey tip (20:06)
• “Even from this president, words have consequences. And just, I just say try to be presidential.” — Andy Beshear (31:11)
• “We’ve got to address the demand side and not just the supply side.” — Andy Beshear on the opioid crisis (34:03)
• “If they’re going to come in and use a huge amount of power, they can’t ask the families in the surrounding communities to subsidize them.” — Andy Beshear (37:40)
• “No matter who you vote for… I hope you had a really good holiday.” — Andy Beshear (45:07)
• “Clean… it’s like you were casually trying to look good.” — Will Bashir (48:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Youth Panel 1: 03:29–10:58
• Youth Panel 2: 11:01–22:46
• The Johns Roundtable (News, Thanksgiving, Venezuela, AI): 23:23–42:46
• In My Kentucky Accent: 42:53–45:33
• Gen Z Lingo/Podcast Merch: 46:21–50:25

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode strikes a balance between real-world gravity and approachable humor. Andy Beshear’s authentic, empathetic style comes through in his direct engagement with students’ anxieties and hopes, and in his candid critiques of political figures. The students bring fresh, honest perspectives on social media, activism, and major issues like climate change and schooling. The roundtable with the Johns mixes informed commentary with personal asides and playful digs, keeping the conversation real and relatable.

Listeners come away with:

• A direct window into what today’s teens are thinking and worrying about
• Nuanced discussion of major political and social news
• Unvarnished insights about Thanksgiving, leadership, language, and AI’s impact on Kentucky
• Some new Gen Z lingo, and a preview of podcast merch that’s both “clean” and “drip.”

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Transcript

[High School Students]

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[Andy Beshear]

Welcome to the Andy Beshear Podcast, a proud part of the serious XM Podcast Network. Today we've got a great episode and it's one that I think you, our listeners, asked for. We read the comments, we heard the feedback, and what I heard is how about having some everyday folks that are on talking about the challenges they face and then some other of you said how about having some of our youth on that they face such a different world than what we grew up in and how about we listen to them about the challenges they're facing and what they think about politics today? So we heard and we responded. Today we've got two groups of high school students, both from Atherton in Louisville, Kentucky. They are part of a group that was touring the studio and we just knew that this was a great opportunity because we wanted to hear from them. I'll ask them some questions, they'll ask me some questions, and hopefully we'll all get closer to understanding each other and where we need to go as a state and as a country. Let me tell you, this is a talented group of young people and I think you're really going to enjoy hearing from them. Then we'll have my conversation with the Johns, my friend John Rabinowitz and John McConnell as we process a Wild west week of news. You'll also hear in my Kentucky accent where I try to show President Trump how you actually do Thanksgiving, being thankful for things, telling people what you're thankful for, and not going on a rant that tries to further divide our country. But as always, we'll approach this with the podcast rules. Rules that are meant to make this a real and authentic conversation. And as a reminder, here they are. Number one, be authentic. You, be you, boo. Number two, talk like a real human being. When folks are going through addiction, they don't call it substance use disorder. When someone's hungry, they don't call it food insecurity. We want to make sure this is a conversation where we're using real words that have real meaning with real emotion. Number three, no debating reality. Far too often now we see people trying to argue against facts. Number four, tell your why. We want to get beyond just what you think and get to why you think it. We want our guests to talk about what drives them in life and how they make their decisions. When we talk about our why, we can give each other the grace and the space to disagree, but to understand somebody could be coming from a good place. And number five, have fun. All right, Buckle up for a great episode where we don't preach to. We listen to our youth from today, and I think we'll all be a lot better off having done so.

You're listening to the Andy Beshear podcast. On the podcast, we talk a lot about our future, but sometimes maybe we should listen to that future. Today, we've got two sets of high school students we're going to talk with three at a time. We're going to hear a little bit about the challenges they face, and then they're going to interrogate me. So if we can start, if you all could tell our listeners your name, what year you are in school, and how about one interesting fact?

[High School Students]

My name is Hayden Gagle. I am a senior in high school, and I am transgender and identify as a woman.

My name is Bella Miranda. I'm a junior, and I'm really good at baking.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay.

[High School Students]

My name is Bianca Phoenix. I'm a senior at Atherton High School, and I have tried many sports, and my favorite are definitely fencing and lacrosse.

[Andy Beshear]

Fencing.

[High School Students]

Yes.

[Andy Beshear]

All right. How many people that you know also fence?

[High School Students]

Only the people that are at the fencing club.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay. Very neat. So do you compete?

[High School Students]

I do.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay. Have you ever been in a Bake Off?

[High School Students]

No.

[Andy Beshear]

Wait.

[High School Students]

Yes, I have.

[Andy Beshear]

So I just met Chef Damaris.

[High School Students]

Yes.

[Andy Beshear]

You know, here in Kentucky, who is, as you know, a professional baker. And she actually decided that she was going to get into baking watching a baking show.

[High School Students]

Wow.

[Andy Beshear]

And then she won that same baking show.

[High School Students]

Oh, my gosh. I thought, that's amazing.

[Andy Beshear]

Pretty neat motivation. So let's start here. How do you all get your news about what's going on in the. In the world around you?

[High School Students]

For me, personally, I want to be a journalist. So I do have WDRB and Wave and AP News apps downloaded on my phone. But for most people my age, I would definitely assume social media. Yeah. I'm in a IB Global politics class, and a big part of that is looking at news local, worldwide. So just trusting, like, more nonpartisan sites.

I usually get it from, like, just social media. But also there's. When bigger things happen, sometimes in my philosophy class, they'll talk about it.

[Andy Beshear]

So as you look at the world around you right now, how would you describe it?

[High School Students]

I'd say it's very overwhelming at times. I think it sparks a lot of Curiosity, but I don't think that it's something that I don't have faith in, and I think it's something that, like, I'm passionate about. I'd also agree that it is very overwhelming in being a part of, like, organizations like KYA and kuna, like, being told that I have a voice. And then, like, seeing all these articles just flush with, like, so much bad news. It's like, oh, like, does my voice really matter? Does anything really matter in politics?

[Andy Beshear]

Some youth in government programs.

[High School Students]

Yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

But also describing. And we talk about on the podcast a lot, about how the news just seems to hit you hard every single day. And it can. It can really affect your mental health.

[High School Students]

I think there's a lot of bad going on in the world right now, but there's also a lot of good. And sometimes it's very easy to just fully focus on the bad because that's a lot of times what you see. But it's important to remember that there's. I like to think that there's more good people in the world than bad people.

[John McConnell]

Oh.

[Andy Beshear]

And I've gotten to see that, sadly, after natural disasters. As you know, we've gotten hit by so many. We just had a plane crash in. In Louisville, where we are right now. But the outpouring that you always see from people of love and at that point, not caring about any of those other divisive things that are out there, but just caring about fellow human beings. When you think about social media, if you had to, to judge it overall, do you think it's a positive or a negative?

[High School Students]

I think in a sense, it brings communities together. I think there's definitely downsides to it and limitations to it, but I think it does do a good job of reminding people that they're not alone.

[Andy Beshear]

So is there. Is there. Tell me, at what social media are you all on the most?

[High School Students]

Probably TikTok for me. TikTok Instagram.

I use a lot of, like, Twitter or I guess it's called X now, but.

[Andy Beshear]

And, like, I don't know if YouTube.

[High School Students]

Really counts, but I watch a lot of YouTube stuff.

[Andy Beshear]

So if you were advising somebody in government or somebody running for office how to best communicate with your generation, what would you suggest?

[High School Students]

I would definitely suggest getting with the lingo and different trends and being funny, especially if they're trying to target our audience.

[Andy Beshear]

So we're winning with the podcast.

[High School Students]

I would just say giving them space to express their opinions and thoughts. I feel like sometimes younger generations feel overlooked or misunderstood. So just give me the space to Understand that.

Just, just try to always research stuff that you don't understand. That's usually what I'd say. Just like, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

What questions do you all have for me?

[High School Students]

When's the start?

I'll start. Do you have a favorite superhero?

[Andy Beshear]

Oh, so I, I admit I grew up collecting comic books, and so this new age of Marvel is great for me. You know, I, I.

My favorite. I'm trying to think through my, my favorite movies as they've come out.

I'm probably somewhere stuck between Iron man and Thor. I'm much more Marvel than dc, though. I do like Batman. Good picks.

[High School Students]

So I know we've been talking a lot about our lingo, but what's one phrase or whatever from your age that you wish you could bring back or.

[Andy Beshear]

So we, we just will. My son teaches me Gen Z lingo on this podcast, as does Lila, my daughter. She actually maybe had the best one, which was do it for the plot, which I think sums up the. The beginning of this podcast. In, in our day, we, we had a couple of different things. We had more words for awesome than we needed. You know, you had radical and tubular and, and everything from kind of skate culture to surf culture. That was what was. Was going on at, at the time. We also had a somewhat annoying way of saying something we didn't mean and then yelling something like not or psych. And those two should not come back.

[High School Students]

So Thanksgiving's coming close, and you did say you made pretty awesome turkey, but how do you like your Mac and cheese?

[Andy Beshear]

Ooh, my Mac and cheese is best when made by someone else. But, But I actually, I really like cheese, and, and so I like when. When it's made a little different when, when somebody tries something new. And so I like it with, with different types of cheeses, but it's the traditional. Is always pretty good. Pretty good.

[High School Students]

Well, thank you.

[Andy Beshear]

Thank y'. All.

[High School Students]

Thank you.

[Andy Beshear]

Now it's time for panel two. If you don't mind. Tell us your name, what year you are, and a little bit about yourself.

[High School Students]

I'm Lacy Jones. I'm a senior, and I'm a photographer.

[Andy Beshear]

All right. Yeah.

[High School Students]

My name is Joey Gundol. I'm a senior as well, and I play lacrosse. My name is Elijah Gorman. I'm also a senior, and I play baseball.

[Andy Beshear]

What position?

[High School Students]

I pitch. I play third, and I also play outfield.

[Andy Beshear]

All right, we may see you this season.

[John McConnell]

Yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

Let me start a little bit about how we did in the, in the last panel. When you're curious about something, when you want to know about what's going on in the world. Where do you go?

[High School Students]

I'll be honest.

Social media is a big place where, you know, I would say myself or, you know, our generation is where we get our news.

[Andy Beshear]

But much of that is YouTube versus TikTok versus Instagram.

[High School Students]

I mean, I would say it's mostly TikTok now.

[John McConnell]

Okay.

[High School Students]

I wouldn't really say that a lot of people are using YouTube for political things or news or anything like that. Just Mr. Reese. But I would say TikTok is really where you see it. I mean, just last week I was scrolling on TikTok and I saw you pop up.

[Andy Beshear]

All right.

[High School Students]

Yeah. Huh. And then how do we do? I loved it. I followed you right after.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay.

[High School Students]

Yeah. So I would say one for the social media. Yes, yes.

Yeah, yeah. I think definitely the same thing. A lot of social media, it's good to, like, you can just search something up and then see, like, different viewpoints and like, kind of what people think and have people summarize it for you. So. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they basically summed.

[Andy Beshear]

Up the whole thing.

[High School Students]

What I use more than Tick tock is X or Twitter. Like Hayden was saying, I feel like that's more of a informational social media than any other one is. So that's what I personally is.

[Andy Beshear]

With the world the way it is right now, where it seems like everything is divisive or people try to make everything divisive. Can you talk about politics with your friends?

[High School Students]

I mean, really only when it's something.

That you can really talk about, if that makes sense. I mean, I feel, you know, our generation, it is overlooked, like they were saying in the last panel. But also sometimes, you know, I feel like we're not really educated enough. It's kind of hard for kids our age to really understand what everything means and all that stuff. So it. I wouldn't say that it's talked about that much, really. Only when something big happens or something that is easier to understand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really talk a lot of politics with my friends. I mean, I will.

[Andy Beshear]

What was the last big thing maybe that happened with. With government or around politics that actually generated a conversation?

[High School Students]

The recent thing with all the government shutting down. Yeah, Me and my friends, we were in lunch. We were talking about it the whole lunch period. And we. We never normally talk about stuff like that. So we were just talking about how they shut down. What are we gonna do? And then I was talking to my friend about that.

[Andy Beshear]

What are you going to do to help people around you?

[High School Students]

Yeah, Basically, we were trying to, like, think of something like, is there any possible way we can do something as, like, citizens.

[Andy Beshear]

Yeah.

[High School Students]

To override the government or, like, do something they're possibly not doing? So. And we really couldn't think of anything at the moment, but obviously there will be some issues. And then I was talking to my pop culture teacher about it, and she was, like, hysterically crying about it because she doesn't know how our generation is going to react to it. Like, Lacy was saying, we don't know anything, so she was a little concerned for our generation.

Yeah. And just the other week, I made. Or actually the other day, I work for Louisville Metro Parks. I'm a lifeguard.

[Andy Beshear]

And so back in the day, I did some lifeguarding.

[High School Students]

Yeah. So I've been a life corps for three years. And we were just. We were talking about the government shutdown, and we were just asking, like, is that going to affect our jobs? Like, since we work for Louisville Metro, is that going to affect us or, you know, affect our bosses or anything like that? Um, but, yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, conversations happen, but I.

[Andy Beshear]

Wouldn'T say it's to the extent that you are watching. What do you see out there that people aren't talking about that you wish there they were? Is there. Is there something that's really important to you, all that you wish people did more about or talked more about?

[High School Students]

I would say the state that our world is in with climate change. I mean, like, we were just talking about the other day on TikTok. I saw there's a clock in New York of how much time we have left. And that really scared me. I'm gonna be honest. It scared me. And so I was just kind of thinking, like, what can I do as someone, you know, for my age? Or what can we do for, you know, because our generation is the future. We are the future. And, like, what we do yet, what can we do, you know, to change that? Or what can I do as an individual to change that?

[Andy Beshear]

So when I was your age, we had one of those existential threats about whether the world is going to continue. For us, it was nuclear war. And there was a clock and a gauge that measured how close we might be and what an impact that made. Now, I do remember we did drills where we got under the desk thinking, it's not a tornado. Is this really going to help?

What else kind of kind of hits you that you wish that you think isn't necessarily divisive amongst people in your generation, even if it's Argued about elsewhere.

[High School Students]

Kind of going off of climate change. I don't know. I haven't done a ton of research on it, but, like, from a lot of stuff I've seen on, like, nuclear energy.

Could be, like, a really good alternative moving forward. And I feel like there's a lot of misinformation on it that, like, makes people think it's scary. But the amount of waste from what I've seen that you produce from that is like a fraction of what you produce from coal or gas or whatever else.

If I had to say earlier in your podcast, you were talking about funding and budgeting and. And you were saying something about how private schools got denied for getting money that public schools should be getting. And I think that's a big factor as private schools, they're already getting a bunch more money as public schools are getting just by kids going there, them getting all their accolades and all their sponsorships by other people. So I think that is a big worry.

[Andy Beshear]

Said like a great public school student, which I was too trying to be. What questions do you have for me?

[High School Students]

Do you have first?

All right, so I heard you were a big shoe guy. If you had, like, recently, how many pairs of shoes do you have?

[Andy Beshear]

Ooh, sneaker wise. Now I'm going to say I'm 10. 10.

[High School Students]

Gotcha. And I heard you said you were a baseball dad.

[Andy Beshear]

I am.

[High School Students]

What's your favorite team and what positions does your son play?

[Andy Beshear]

Ooh. So Will plays for Frankfurt. Hi. He's on the podcast a bunch. He's a junior. Um, he play. He pitches two, and then he plays third, first, and outfield. Um, so my favorite team. I grew up a big Reds fan, which is painful most of my life now. In 1990, I was in elementary or middle school and got to go to the World Series and see the Reds win a game. At the time, the stadium was called Riverfront, and I had the very top seat in the entire stadium behind home play. But as it turns out, it rained part of that game and there was an overhang for the lights, so maybe we were in the right seats. That's awesome.

[High School Students]

I guess, like, with Thanksgiving coming up, what's your, like, perfect Thanksgiving plate.

[Andy Beshear]

Oh. So I. I like Thanksgivings where. Where a lot of family gets together, but I started cooking because of the anxiety, you know, that you can get with just that much noise and that much family. And that can sound strange given what I do for a living, but it just gave me a little bit of an escape. And so I like to be able to do Part of the cooking, it just gives me a job and then to enjoy, especially the dinner part itself. But it's really good the years that my cousins come in, because at my age, you don't see them all that often anymore. And. And it's pretty special to see, you know, your aunts and uncles, for me, the ones that are. That are left, and. And to get to enjoy that. That time. Gotcha.

[High School Students]

And you said that you. Your, like, hidden talent was you're really good at making a Thanksgiving turkey.

[Andy Beshear]

Yes.

[High School Students]

So what's your secret?

[Andy Beshear]

If.

[High School Students]

Oh, so.

[Andy Beshear]

So you got to start with the brining. I'm a pro brined chef. And so in. In your brine, before you put it in, you got to get kind of up and close with this turkey. You got to get under the skin with the salt, and you got to press it in because that's going to break down the meat. It's going to give you a much better texture inside your turkey. I told you, I'm into this. And then your brine itself, I believe in a citrus brine, because, again, it just. Just helps break it down more. So we're talking oranges and lemons. You got to do it at least for a night. I think you do it for a day if you don't ruin at least one cooler. When you're making a Thanksgiving turkey, I just don't know if you're putting your full effort into it. And then you got to stuff it. And I stuff with a lot of the same things, but also, you know, your parsley and some other herbs, and then you cannot let it dry out, so you're constantly opening the oven and basting it. If you don't set off at least one fire alarm, then you haven't had enough drama in your Thanksgiving. That's awesome. Way too into cooking the turkey.

[High School Students]

It's worth it.

Okay, so since we're seniors in high school and we're doing real world work for something that we want to do in the future, I just wanted to ask, you know, what were you doing your senior year?

[Andy Beshear]

Oh, my senior year. I was unsuccessfully trying to get anyone to date me. But you don't want to peak too soon. I was doing a lot to try to build a resume for college. Probably more than necessary or too much. Instead of focusing on a couple things that. That I. That I'd really like, I was trying to figure out who I was. Now, I thankfully was picked to go to the Governor Scholars program, something here in Kentucky. I'm the first Governor Scholar to ever.

[High School Students]

Be Governor, I went to gsa, so.

[Andy Beshear]

Oh, very good. Governor's School for the Arts came just after that. Martha Lane Collins helped create that. Who just, just pass.

And I actually found myself there. You know, I, I was, I, I thought people didn't like me. I thought I was very unpopular and, and didn't have confidence in myself. And just that summer, being able to be there with other people, to have conversations, to realize that I'm not different, I'm okay just who I am. And I think it's a big gift to be comfortable in your own skin and you're only good and politics if you can let all that negativity slide off of you. For anybody who uses X to let all that negativity slide off of you. And by the way, never, ever, ever read the comments.

[High School Students]

Awesome. Thank you.

Thank you so much.

[Andy Beshear]

Thank you all for coming in. Of course. Anytime.

[High School Students]

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[John McConnell]

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[Andy Beshear]

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[John McConnell]

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[Andy Beshear]

Drink responsibly. Being reported by Carlinport, Chicago, Illinois.

Next on the Andy Beshear podcast, my conversation with the Johns. This is my conversation with two of my friends, John Rabinowitz and John McConnell, where we break down the issues of the day and hopefully help you process just all this news that hits us minute after minute. As a reminder, John Rabinowitz is an attorney, owns a restaurant and some other small businesses.

[John McConnell]

Why are you not promoting the name? You got to work on this because.

[Andy Beshear]

You are not paying for that sponsorship.

[John McConnell]

Okay, fair enough.

[Andy Beshear]

John McConnell made his name in India, insurance and a family business, has been a landlord for a while and now has a couple of small businesses himself. So are you all ready?

[John McConnell]

Let's go for it.

[Will Bashir]

Ready?

[Andy Beshear]

All right, I think we've got to start with some tragic news out of the last week, which was a shooting of two National Guardsmen in Washington D.C. one, Sarah Beckstrom did not make it. I think she was 20 years old, passed away. The other, Andrew Wolf is critically injured. And we're praying for him just like we're praying for Sarah's family. This was Done apparently by an Afghan refugee who was relocated after assisting the US Efforts in Afghanistan. And it has led to an entire pause on all refugee programs, including any that would relocate Afghanis who helped the United States during our period in that country.

[John Rabinowitz]

And one thing I noticed on this is that his final approval came through April of this year. So it actually came through for them for the asylum this year.

[John McConnell]

Yes, I think he was.

He came over in 21 under the Biden administration, but granted asylum in April this year. But this is somebody that was for what's been released, was backed by the CIA, like working for the CIA against the Taliban. There's. First off, let's talk about what a horrible tragedy it is. I will say I probably differ from both you guys in that I am actually okay with them going back and looking at.

What was passed under Biden with the asylum seeking individuals from Afghanistan to go back and look, I'm not saying take it away, but go back and check because it seems a little rushed.

[Andy Beshear]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a pause where you look at things critically. I think we need to be very clear that parts of this asylum and or the process has existed under both this president and Joe Biden and that trying to blame a past president for one individual decision like this doesn't help and I don't think is accurate. But I do have concerns with folks that we told. We will protect you. When we were in Afghanistan, our troops needed help from Afghanis and they put their lives on the line and the lives of their families that could have been killed or slaughtered by the Taliban. And so I at least hope that we can do this in a way to where we feel like any, any things that were not being done in the vetting are done. But we don't abandon people that helped keep our troops safe while we were there. Yeah.

[John McConnell]

And I don't necessarily disagree with that. And again.

We are recording this on Monday and we don't really know a motive. We don't know whether this is an individual with mental health issues. Some reports are saying that he had financial issues, but he drove across country. It seems like it was somewhat targeted in terms of what he wanted to accomplish. Just horrifically sad and not too far from home. These were two guardsmen from West Virginia.

[Andy Beshear]

And I worry about the guard that's, that's there because they're not trained to do what they're being asked to do. They're not trained in normal police operations. They're not trained the same way or have the same experience to see threats that might be coming their way. They're trained to help in logistics for our armed forces. They're trained to respond to natural disasters. I just, I had said on this podcast before and publicly that I was very concerned about these call ups, both in the legality and in whether we were putting our own guardsmen in danger.

[John McConnell]

Just a horrible tragedy and kind of moving forward.

[John Rabinowitz]

Talking about a Thanksgiving rant that I haven't heard all of yet, but just kind of get your all's thoughts.

[Andy Beshear]

So in the past, we've always heard a president, Democrat or Republican, give a Thanksgiving address that is actually about giving thanks, that's about hopefully putting politics aside, coming together at a table and just being human beings together. Just a part of Donald Trump's truth Social post. A very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged and laughed at along with certain other foolish countries through the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid when it comes to immigration. He goes on and then takes a shot at Tim Walz and takes a shot at him in a way that is probably particularly insensitive, John, to you and certainly to Tim Walls. He says the seriously retarded governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, does nothing, either through fear, incompetence, or both, and then continues on from there.

[John McConnell]

Why do you think he targeted the governor from Minnesota?

[Andy Beshear]

I mean. Well, I mean, he was the vice presidential candidate.

[John Rabinowitz]

Yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

Underneath him. But, you know, I learned when I was a fairly young lawyer how hurtful that word is.

I had a friend, have a friend whose daughter has down syndrome. And I think I used that word in a very different way. You know, it was part of our nomenclature, sadly, when we were growing up. And he came to me in a very reasonable way, tried to educate me, and I pushed back at first, and then I went home and slept on it, went through the next day and slept on it. And I came back and apologized to him because I could see how much that hurt him.

[John Rabinowitz]

Yeah. And trying to understand why Trump lashes out at certain people on a true social post is hard for any of us to put together. But to use words like that and just single out someone on Thanksgiving.

[John McConnell]

I get that you are incredibly angry over what happened in D.C.

I understand that you were put in office to crack down on immigration, but probably a poor choice of words. That probably was a poor choice of words.

[Andy Beshear]

And a lot of words.

[John McConnell]

I mean, you did wish him happy Thanksgiving.

[Andy Beshear]

And then went on to do so much more. But to me, this just says this president isn't interested in being presidential nor.

Good. I mean, this is just mean. And you know, it cost him too, a vote he needs in the Indiana legislature. Republican, I think he's a senator, came out and said, I'm the parent of a special needs child. I have been vocal about the rights of those children. And after this, he is not going to have my vote on redistricting and he can spend the next year trying to convince the American people that he should have a congressional majority.

[John McConnell]

Wow. I did not read that Al.

[Andy Beshear]

It just, you know, even, even from this president, words have consequences. And just, I just say try to be presidential.

[John McConnell]

Yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

Sometimes just put happy Thanksgiving to all Americans, period.

[John McConnell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

And put down your phone.

[John McConnell]

Got it.

[John Rabinowitz]

And moving to South America, we still have the activity in Venezuela.

[Andy Beshear]

The report that came out that is being disputed, that is highly concerning to both Democrats and Republicans in Congress is that our Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, gave a kill order that resulted in not just one bombing of a boat coming from Venezuela, but a second time to ensure that there are not survivors.

[John McConnell]

So what I would tell you is that one optically looks awful. Probably why we have the wrong person in that position to make decisions like that.

Also, I don't know that we'll ever find out the true answer because I think he's denying it.

[Andy Beshear]

Correct, he's denying it. Now I do think that there will be a way through Congress to get to that answer. But the other thing that needs to happen now is they need to actually show Congress and I really think the American people their legal basis for their current actions. I mean, again, we read accounts of what it might be, but at this point, if you're taking this aggressive of action and you're talking about potential potentially land action against Venezuela, don't the American people deserve to know? Especially if it could put American troops.

[John McConnell]

In danger without question. Listen, we all want to stop drug trafficking. I think they've done that by going after at least 20 ships. And I think they've also. Now we have warships over there. We have shown that we're ready to go to war if needed. I hope it doesn't come to that over this.

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, and they keep using the word we're at war with them. We're at war. And at some point Congress has to be involved. If you keep using that word over.

[John McConnell]

And over again, it's also in conflict with pardoning the Honduras ex President. This, it makes no sense. It's in conflict with it and just optically looks horrible.

[Andy Beshear]

This is the former president who was convicted of drug trafficking at a major level. The idea that you would potentially go to war with one country that you believe is sending drugs into the United States, but pardon someone else who is actually convicted.

[John McConnell]

45 years sentence to.

[Andy Beshear]

Yes, and pardoned.

[John McConnell]

So just. I agree with you. I hope we learn more. And I do think it's a major, major issue.

[Andy Beshear]

Well, at least from my experience, yes, we've got to try to stop the supply of drugs. That means border security is national security. Thank you to all of our law enforcement that are out there seizing as much as we can. But we really have to heal people to get past this drug epidemic. You know, we've got to get people into treatment. We've got to get people into recovery. We've got to make sure that there is hope and opportunity in all areas of the country. We got to have the programs where we intervene with youth that might be falling into it. That we've got to address the demand side and not just the supply side.

[John McConnell]

And, John, now on a much different note, I know your favorite time of year was last week with Black Friday and. And what today? Cyber Monday.

[High School Students]

Cyber.

[John Rabinowitz]

I was going to tell you. Thank you, John. I mean, with three daughters and his family, I know that Black Friday sales were up. So I know you guys contributed to that. In the economy of this country, there.

[John McConnell]

Is no question in my mind. I went shopping with my three daughters, and I was so frustrated the entire time. I'm also shocked. I think I told you this earlier.

[Andy Beshear]

Are you allowed to say anything while they're shopping or are you, like, on mute?

[John McConnell]

I am told to go into the men's section while my three daughters and wife are on the other side of the store. And so I'm like, okay, I'll spend some time. I'll look for some clothes. And everything's like, small and medium. I haven't been a small or medium since I was in sixth grade. All I could think of is you would be loving this story.

[Andy Beshear]

You couldn't say something. I'm told, since both of you are named John, that we need nicknames. And so I'm thinking, since it worked in Robinhood, Little John had worked just fine for John Rabinowitz.

[John McConnell]

I mean, listen, if it's not. If there's no Excel or double xl, I'm having an issue in that store.

[Andy Beshear]

Little John and Johnny Mac. All right, let's. As a final topic, turn to AI. And AI is being talked about in so many different ways. In so many different contexts. Will it cause mass unemployment? Will it help us solve complicated diseases in days instead of decades? I think one thing we know is it's coming and how we.

Adapt to it, how we embrace, properly regulate it is critically important. And all that's playing out in real time.

[John Rabinowitz]

And you look at the medicine that we now can develop, that used to take a year to two years. Now AI can come in and work through some of those equations within a week to see. And of course, I think about the, you know, the genetic side mapping the genome and what that looks like, because I have a child who is autistic, but he also has a genetic defect that we can identify.

[Andy Beshear]

And what AI could do with CRISPR technology. And could you. Could you be working, you know, 10 of these all at once and people get the same result that the folks with sickle cell are going through right now to see if they can actually be cured?

[John McConnell]

Our law firm are big believers. If you don't adapt and accept that this is something you should, a craft you should master, I think you're going to have problems. I think you, especially in medicine and in the practice, it's a tool you should use, always verify. I'm not saying solely rely on it, but it is something absolutely that is the future that we should get behind. Now I would like to talk to you a little bit. I'm reading more and more about these data centers that are coming in. Have we had any come in the last few years in Kentucky? How do you handle data centers and the issues with the environmental issues associated with some of them?

[Andy Beshear]

Well, when you look at these types of facilities, they need a huge amount of power.

They do make the property they're on very, very valuable. But they don't have a ton of employees. And so for me, I think about three things. Number one, if they're going to come in and use a huge amount of power, they can't ask the families in the surrounding communities to subsidize them by raising the power rates on the families. So the facility might have slightly lower power rates. There are a lot of companies that get that and want to do their fair share. The second thing I look at is.

What the property taxes will be, because when you look at it, if they're willing to pay something fair as opposed to try to negotiate them away, you've got a large amount of money that goes to schools. You could take an underperforming school system and have the best of the best. And that's a really compelling case. Also, government services you could provide. Provide. You can clean the roads. We're about to have snow. With less of a hit on your families. There's lots that you can do that could be really beneficial. Then the third is, have they done the work to make the community want them? That means forming the relationships and not just trying to force it on someone. I see a lot of companies out there that I think are willing to meet all those three. They want to be good community partners. But I also see speculators that claim they're representing a company that don't want to pay the power rate, want to negotiate out from under the taxes, and then have developed very terrible relationships with the community and end up getting run out. All those things are important. So you got to find the right place with the right approach. And that's how I think it works.

[John McConnell]

Are we actively seek, as a state, actively seeking data centers to come in, or they're just reaching out to you?

[Andy Beshear]

Because I see that there's a lot of interest here and everywhere else. I can't go into any negotiations that we may be having. But again, my approach is it's got to be a net benefit to the community now and into the future, because when you take that much power off the grid, you might not be able to bring in that next factory.

[John McConnell]

And water's an issue, too.

[Andy Beshear]

So what is the net benefit today? And it's got to be more than just plus one, because it has an impact tomorrow and the next day. And I think if these companies would approach the community that way too, saying, yes, we know that there are these concerns here is what we're offering, then I think they'd be embraced by more communities. I also think you've got to be really careful where you want to put them.

[John McConnell]

Is there a lot of pushback in communities where these data centers have initially planned on opening up?

[Andy Beshear]

We had one group that wanted to open one in horse country that tried to put it in the one community that I think would fight the hardest out of any in Kentucky. They never came to us, they never talked to us. Instead, they hired a PR firm to try to announce it and got run out of town. You got to be very careful about how you go about it because it is going to make a major impact on any community that goes in, positive or negative. Are you going to be a good community partner if you're going to take most of the available power, Are you going to invest in that community to offset any other potential opportunity you might not. You might not get?

[John Rabinowitz]

Andy, you make a good point. When you talk about the power, because the grid is going to carry so much, you know, you're looking at a worldwide power increased demand by 16% almost just based on data centers.

[John McConnell]

Yeah. And only growth.

[John Rabinowitz]

And how long does it take us to bring more power online to where if you do use up so much of the grid and someone who comes in who wants to have a large factory, are you going to have to say no?

[Andy Beshear]

Well, and I hope this is where we can get in our governance and in appropriate regulations and is we don't say they're just good or they're just bad. We accept that this is going to be a part of the future. How do we do it in the right way for it to overall be a positive thing for our people? I think some states have rushed it and rushed it quickly, thinking it would attract some other things around it. And they're going to have some challenges. I just want to get it right.

[John McConnell]

Yeah. It was interesting to read that there were three states that kind of dominate the data center marketplace. It's like Virginia, Texas, California, of course, two of the three gigantic states. But to your point, I hope they're doing it the right way.

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, and I'll say this, that for the first time, it looks like John and I out shoe gamed Andy on the show. Rarely does this happen. The first time in a while, I.

[Andy Beshear]

Did come directly from work. Somebody has to run the state.

[John McConnell]

Always excuses.

[John Rabinowitz]

Always running the state.

[John McConnell]

We'll remember that when he's wearing the shoes. Laskar, are you still running the state or we're not really sure.

[Andy Beshear]

Always running the state.

You're listening to the Andy Beshear Podcast. Our next segment is called In My Kentucky Accent. That's when I talk about what's on my heart and my mind, what I'm thinking about during this week. Today, I'm thinking about Thanksgiving and a president that couldn't just be presidential, but had to turn it into yet another reason to try to divide our people and create an us versus a them. Think about the history of Thanksgiving. Abraham Lincoln made it a holiday during the Civil War. This was an attempt at the ultimate example of of unity. Even at a time when brother might be fighting brother, when we had Americans on the battlefield killing each other, President Lincoln tried to make this holiday one where we could at least all come together and be thankful for the good things in our life. But what did we see from President Trump? A nasty rant on truth social media where he attacked anyone in the United States that disagrees with him, even though that's supposed to be the freedom of speech he claims he's for. And then you saw him attack Governor Walz and use a term that should never be used because of how hurtful that it is. It's not like we're asking a lot of President Trump. Just be a little presidential, maybe not be cruel for just one day, the day Thanksgiving. How about try to show some decency or how about some leadership, because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want other people treating you this way. This is a guy whose skin is so thin that a commercial during the World Series led him to try to change tariff policy towards Canada. But he thinks it's okay to say all of these things on Thanksgiving. Listen, he's the president. He's got a lot to be thankful for. How about he focus on that? For me, I'm thankful for so much. I'm thankful for my friends, my family. I'm thankful for being governor of a great state. And I'm thankful for all of you that listen to this podcast, and I hope that it helps you a little bit week in and week out in this crazy world to try to make just a little bit of sense out of the chaos. But let me show this president how it's done. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. No matter who you vote for, when you vote, or where you vote, I hope you had a really good holiday. I hope there are things you can be thankful for in your lives, and I hope you're doing just a little bit to help somebody out that might be a little less fortunate.

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[Andy Beshear]

Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co host Woody Harrelson.

[John McConnell]

It's called where everybody knows your Name.

[Andy Beshear]

And we're back for another season. I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more. You don't want to miss it. Listen to where everybody knows your name with me, Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson. Sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.

In our final segment on the Andy Beshear Podcast, backed by popular demand, is Will Bashir with Gen Z lingo. This is when he teaches us different words that kids his age use and we look really, really old because we have no idea what they mean. And we are a lot less cool than he is. Will, welcome back to the podcast.

[Will Bashir]

I'm glad to be back, but I don't know about the. The cool part you said.

[John McConnell]

I mean, we are pretty cool.

[Will Bashir]

These two gentlemen.

[Andy Beshear]

I mean, so everybody but your dad.

[Will Bashir]

Well, it's them two and then you and then me.

[Andy Beshear]

You mean I'm lower?

[John Rabinowitz]

Does he ora farm off of us?

[Will Bashir]

He aura farms off of you. I mean, there's a reason SiriusXM signed you.

[Andy Beshear]

Now I will say Will Bashir today is wearing a shirt that you should sign up for our YouTube channel at Andy Beshear podcast to see. It is drip.

[Will Bashir]

It's drip. And going off that, that was actually a very good transition. Our word today is clean. Clean is actually very commonly used. It's an adjective and it's basically like.

[Andy Beshear]

Like the room is clean.

[Will Bashir]

No, it's actually about like an outfit is what? So like shoes. Those shoes are clean. They look really good.

[John McConnell]

Like if his suit is on point, if you would say that looks clean.

[Will Bashir]

If he looks really good.

[Andy Beshear]

But does it all have to be there? Like, like you could, you could have a really good looking suit, but the wrong shoes and, and it would not be clean.

[Will Bashir]

So here's, here's the thing. I made it too complicated when I was like, skippity is okay and fire is really good or something.

[Andy Beshear]

So you're saying he made a mistake in our very first episode.

[John McConnell]

I've been relying on this to my detriment.

[Will Bashir]

I may or may not have, but clean, it's the opposite. It's like you can either be it's clean or it's not. There's no in between.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay, how does clean compare to drip?

[Will Bashir]

Drip is like, wow, you look really swaggy. Clean is like, hey, you look good.

[Andy Beshear]

Okay, see, this sounds like skippity and fire going back to episode one.

[John McConnell]

So drip is better than clean.

[Will Bashir]

I would honestly say, I would take it as more of a compliment if someone said what I was wearing was clean because it's like slick. Like, it's like you were casually trying to look good.

[John Rabinowitz]

But drip, just like your definitely clean the johns.

[Will Bashir]

Yes. I think with his outfit, it's clean because it matches the jacket a little bit. With you, I'd say it's drip because you're. It doesn't really, really match, you know, and you threw it on because it looks good and they're really good shoes.

[John Rabinowitz]

Yeah, that's it, dad.

[Will Bashir]

I'd say you look clean. That's a really good looking suit.

[Andy Beshear]

Yeah, clean, well, clean in a drip.

[High School Students]

Come on.

[Andy Beshear]

We do have, speaking of clothing, some big news on the Andy Beshear podcast. In one week, our merch store opens. We've got merch that is clean and drip.

[Will Bashir]

It's both.

[Andy Beshear]

We're going to have T shirts, we're going to have sweatshirts, we're going to have mugs. So don't purchase all of your Christmas gifts just yet. The Andy Beshear podcast is going to be there for you. Because if your loved ones want one thing this Christmas, I'm sure it's merch from the Andy Beshear podcast.

[Will Bashir]

Yes, I want a tiny couch in my room.

[John McConnell]

I mean, there's only one now, if.

[Andy Beshear]

We'Re thinking in the future about different merch that we should make and we want all of our listeners to comment whether that's on any of the platforms that you can download our audio or if they go subscribe to our YouTube channel @andy Beshear Podcast what they want to see. So will you want to see some tiny couch merch?

[Will Bashir]

I would love to see a tiny couch shirt. You know, I would wear that. That would be clean drip and fire.

[Andy Beshear]

So that's.

[John McConnell]

Would it only come in size small?

[Will Bashir]

I think for you, John, we can.

[John McConnell]

Make it double X, xl.

[John Rabinowitz]

Thank you, John. A schmedium.

[Will Bashir]

It would just mean like the print, the design just becomes smaller as you grow in the size.

[John McConnell]

Oh, great. It shrinks is what you're telling me.

[Andy Beshear]

And as we close out this episode, we promise that we'll get some of our best and favorite frame phrases to make that merch. Because remember, like our merch is going to say we've been doing it for the plot.

Remember, you can download us on all major platforms or subscribe to our YouTube channel @andy Beshear Podcast. Your downloads and your subscriptions are what keep us going and keeps this conversation going. So make sure you're a part of it and let's do this together.

[High School Students]

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