Steve Schmidt and The Question Every 2028 Democrat Will Be Asked

Summary

Andy Beshear Podcast: Steve Schmidt and The Question Every 2028 Democrat Will Be Asked
Date: April 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Governor Andy Beshear welcomes renowned political strategist Steve Schmidt for a frank and riveting discussion about the state of American politics, the transformation and failings of the Republican Party, the trials of the Trump era, the challenges and future for Democrats, and the high stakes facing U.S. democracy. The second half features Beshear’s lively roundtable with co-hosts John Rabinowitz and John McConnell, focusing on current events including the U.S.-Iran crisis, Trump’s controversial religious posturing, the Epstein files, and inspiring news from the Artemis space mission. This episode blends serious political analysis with moments of levity and personal reflection on leadership, faith, and the importance of truth in public service.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Steve Schmidt on the Collapse of the Republican Party

(Segment starts ~02:34)

• Schmidt’s GOP Experience: Schmidt recaps his involvement at the top levels of Republican politics (Bush, Schwarzenegger, McCain), noting the party now is unrecognizable compared to his era.
• Moral Decline of GOP:
  • “It has become an organized conspiracy for the purposes of holding political power. It’s been overcome by cynicism and by cowardice.” (Steve Schmidt, 02:57)
• Trump’s Rise and GOP Complicity:
  • Original GOP reaction to Trump was universally skeptical, but “abdication of duty, responsibility, common sense… faithlessness in their oath” enabled Trumpism. (Schmidt, 05:43)

Notable Quote

“The conservative movement, the Republican Party, became rotten to its core.”
(Steve Schmidt, 03:56)

2. Personal and Professional Costs of Speaking Out

(Starts ~04:39)

• Professional Isolation: Schmidt details losing professional and personal relationships “on a matter of principle,” refusing to “accommodate this indecency and cruelty.”
• Call for Civic Action: Urges activists to be “less celebratory and more activist, more defiant… take possession of our liberty and fight for it.” (Schmidt, 08:42)

Notable Quote

“In this 250th year of our independence… we are called in this moment to take possession of our liberty and to fight for it.”
(Steve Schmidt, 09:22)

3. On RFK Jr. and Health Disinformation

(Segment ~09:25)

• “He’s a degenerate… Cancer has won a round. Diseases thought cured have come back because of the venality, the incompetence and the extremism of people like Robert Kennedy.”
  (Steve Schmidt, 09:54)

• Schmidt critiques RFK Jr.’s impact on public health, tying it to broader corruption and conspiracy thinking.

4. Can the Republican Party Recover?

(Starts ~11:04)

• Schmidt: Uncertain, but “if the Democratic Party could survive slavery, I think the Republican Party may be able to survive Trump.”
• “This iteration of the Republican Party… needs to be burned to the ground.” (12:16)
• Predicts a future reformer will eventually emerge, but only after a period of “burning season.”

Notable Quote

“A fire regenerates the forest, but not until it burns it down.”
(Steve Schmidt, 12:56)

5. The Lincoln Project and the ‘Save America Movement’

(Starts ~13:53)

• Discusses origins, methods, and continued opposition to MAGA.

• “My personal view is that this must be opposed relentlessly, it must be opposed fiercely until MAGA is defeated and we can move forward in a period of reform and renewal that strengthens the country…”
  (Steve Schmidt, 15:59)

• Cites need for Democratic wins in challenging states and that a MAGA “wipeout” is coming akin to recent electoral shocks in Hungary.

6. Democracy, Elections, and the Power of Concession

(Starts ~17:15)

• Democracy’s strength is in the peaceful transition of power, the importance of conceding elections.
• Criticizes Democratic failure to communicate the truth about the 2020 election:
  • “Every single claim that Donald Trump has ever made about the stolen election has been a lie, full of shit.” (Steve Schmidt, 18:40)
• Recounts placing the McCain-Obama 2008 concession call, stressing the civic dignity in conceding defeat.

Notable Quote

“The loser of an election in a democracy sanctifies the victory of the winner through the concession.”
(Steve Schmidt, 19:15)

7. Decency, Leadership, and the Crisis of Character

(Starts ~21:55)

• On Decency: Beshear and Schmidt reflect on Trump’s attacks on McCain and how decency—once a virtue in American politics—has been cast as weakness.
• Humility and Restraint:
  • “I think it’s humility and restraint. Restraint is essential in a leader, and Trump lacks both…”
    (Steve Schmidt, 22:37)
• Trump’s lack of humility and maximalist mindset fosters extremism and danger.

8. The Question Every 2028 Democrat Will Be Asked

(Starts ~24:10)

• Democrats must reckon honestly with why the party lost to Trump twice.
• “The question Democrats are going to deal with in 2028 is how is it that the Democratic Party lost twice to Donald Trump?... The answer to that question is a character question.” (Steve Schmidt, 25:12)
• Calls for Democrats to be transparent about pandemic mistakes, school closures, and to restore trust by admitting errors and prioritizing ethics and reform.
• “The Democratic Party has to be the Reform and Renewal Party. It has to be the Ethics Party. It has to be the Good Government Party…” (Steve Schmidt, 27:12)

9. Joy and Struggle in Political Engagement

(Starts ~27:59)

• Schmidt shares how he decompresses—time with family, baseball, fishing—but admits it’s hard to “escape Trump” given the constant stakes.
• Finds “joy in the struggle” and privilege in participating at a consequential time for America.

Notable Quote

“Of some generations much is given, others much is expected. This generation has a rendezvous with destiny.”
(Steve Schmidt paraphrasing FDR, 30:33)

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Current Events Roundtable with “The Johns”

(Segment starts ~32:52)

10. U.S.-Iran Crisis and Presidential Conduct

(Starts ~33:24)

• Deliberation over President Trump’s threat to “end [Iran’s] civilization”—viewed as reckless, dangerous saber-rattling for notoriety, not sound policy.
• The failed truce negotiation, energy and travel chaos due to Strait of Hormuz blockade, and potential for nuclear escalation.
• “We become the bully on the playground instead of the leader of the free world…” (Andy Beshear, 34:43)

11. Domestic Fallout: Gas Prices, Energy Policy

(Starts ~39:12)

• U.S. blockade of the Strait compounds inflation, travel headaches, and public frustration with energy policy “whiplash.”
• Critique of policy inconsistency: “He tanked the EV market when he pulled all those credits... And now he’s increased the price of gas. He’s hit us on both sides.” (Andy Beshear, 40:36)

12. Faith, Trump’s Religious Posturing, and the Pope

(Starts ~40:49)

• Trump’s posting of himself depicted as Jesus, attacks on the Pope, and the backlash from faith communities.
• “One of those is Christian. And the guy who posted himself as Jesus is not.” (Andy Beshear, 42:19)
• Discussion of authenticity in faith and values over partisan loyalty.

13. Epstein Files and Melania’s Response

(Starts ~42:52)

• Theories that war with Iran is a distraction from Epstein-related scandals.
• Melania Trump’s press conference meant to distance herself from Epstein draws more attention rather than closing the issue.

14. Artemis Space Mission: Hope and Inspiration

(Starts ~44:44)

• Applauding the Artemis astronauts reaching further into space than ever before—a unifying, historic moment for the country.
• Concerns arise over future NASA budget cuts and whether this triumph is only “a little bit of hope and promise that is now pulled back.” (Andy Beshear, 46:21)

15. Everyday Struggles: Spring Break, Travel, Economy

(Starts ~46:53)

• Widespread travel chaos, soaring gas and airline prices, and the challenge for families to navigate basic life needs amidst broader economic instability.
• “Just getting through month to month.” (John McConnell, 48:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Party Decay:
  • “Nativist, nationalist, un-American... It must be defeated. It is the Confederacy of the 21st century, and there is no room to compromise with it.” (Schmidt, 13:34)
• On Leadership:
  • “What is the most important quality of political leadership? I think it’s humility and restraint… Restraint is essential in a leader, and Trump lacks both…” (Schmidt, 22:37)
• On American character:
  • “We live in very consequential times. And what is expected of us in this moment is to defend the cause…” (Schmidt, 30:55)
• Humor:
  • “Your doctors never walked in Jesus robes?” (Andy Beshear, 48:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:34 – Steve Schmidt joins, on the collapse of the GOP
• 04:39 – Consequences of speaking out
• 09:54 – Schmidt on RFK Jr. and health crisis
• 11:04 – Can the GOP recover?
• 13:53 – The Lincoln Project and Save America Movement
• 17:15 – Democracy & the importance of concessions
• 21:55 – Decency and John McCain anecdote
• 24:10 – What Democrats must do differently in 2028
• 27:59 – Mental health, finding “joy in the struggle”
• 33:24 – U.S.-Iran crisis discussion (with "the Johns")
• 40:49 – Trump’s posturing as Jesus and faith
• 44:44 – Artemis space mission and U.S. pride
• 46:53 – Spring break/travel/economic difficulties
• 52:57 – Beshear’s civil rights work lauded by Rev. Sharpton
• 54:15 – Georgia Democratic dinner and Southern Democrat resurgence

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Section 2: Beshear Talks Events, Faith, and Leadership

16. Civil Rights, Faith, and the 2028 Horizon

(Starts ~48:43, ~52:57 for speeches)

• Beshear reflects on landmark healthcare and racial equity initiatives in Kentucky, leadership guided by faith, and the importance of humility when addressing structural racism.
• Participation and support at the National Action Network anniversary and Georgia Democratic dinner highlight the resurgence of Southern Democrats and raise speculation about 2028 leadership.
• “I always start out my answers on racism as I’ll never be able to personally feel it or to carry the scars of the legacy of slavery… But I can listen and I can work to hear and learn.” (Andy Beshear, 51:26)

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Tone and Takeaways

• The conversation is unscripted, candid, and at times impassioned, with a focus on moral clarity, courage, and humility in leadership.
• Schmidt and Beshear repeatedly challenge both parties to acknowledge mistakes and reform, with Schmidt urging relentless opposition to authoritarianism and political corruption.
• The roundtable discussion reflects the anxiety and confusion of the current national moment, but also the hope and pride that Americans still summon in moments of scientific achievement and civic progress.

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Conclusion

This episode of the Andy Beshear Podcast offers listeners an unvarnished look at the crisis of democracy and character in American politics, practical advice for the future of the Democratic Party, and meaningful reflections on hope and resilience. Schmidt’s candor is matched by Beshear’s thoughtful commentary, while the roundtable with the Johns provides relatable context for how politics affects everyday life. As always, Beshear encourages his audience to demand more, stay engaged, and find joy—in solidarity and in the struggle.

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For listeners seeking honest, insightful, and at times provocative political dialogue grounded not just in policy, but in values and everyday realities, this episode delivers in full.

Transcript

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[Andy Beshear]

Hey, podcast family, it's Andy. And I am back with another edition of the Andy Beshear Podcast, and this one is dynamic. Our guest this week is Steve Schmidt. Steve was a lifelong political operative with senior roles with George W. Bush, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in California, and took over the John McCain for President campaign when it seemed dead and made it viable. He's one of the most respected strategists on that side until Donald Trump came along. And Steve would not be silenced. He believed in the United States of America and he believed in what his party was. And since then, he's been one of the most courageous voices speaking out against the corruption and the challenges of both Trump administrations. Now, he's got a new project that he's going to talk to you about. But I just want to say this is an incredible voice, one that is showing the courage, the belief, and the conviction that we're not seeing in so many others. So buckle up. It's going to be a good episode. Our guest this week on the Andy Beshear podcast is Steve Schmidt. Steve is widely known for his senior roles advising President George W. Bush, presidential candidate Senator John McCain, and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. In the 2008 US presidential campaign cycle, Schmidt took over most of the operations of Senator John McCain's presidential campaign when it was considered no longer viable. He was later credited for transforming McCain from corpse to contender. In 2006, Schmidt was campaign manager for California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's Come from behind re election win. Steve. Welcome to the podcast, Governor.

[Steve Schmidt]

Great to be with you. Thank you for having me.

[Andy Beshear]

Well, you can probably guess my first question. You have been at the top levels of the Republican Party under Governor Schwarzenegger, under President George W. Bush, under Senator John McCain. Does the current Republican Party resemble in any way what you were a part of?

[Reverend Sharpton]

No.

[Steve Schmidt]

No. It has become an organized conspiracy for the purposes of holding political power. It's been overcome by. By cynicism and by cowardice. And I think it's important to remember that on the day that Trump came down the escalator in Trump Tower, every single Republican in the country who was not at Trump Tower had the Exact same position regarding Donald Trump that I hold onto until this day. And I talk about this with a great friend of mine, Nicole Wallace, who a lot of your viewers see on msnbc. But Nicole and I are two of an incredibly small number of people who worked at high levels in Republican politics who in the end, did not accommodate this, did not get in line. And in the end, all I can say is that the conservative movement, the Republican Party, became rotten to its core. And I say that also with a little bit of caution for Democrats, which is to have an appreciation that there is not a good party and a bad party in America. There is a bad party, and it defeated the Democratic Party. And the Democratic Party and its candidates need to reflect on that rather deeply, in my view.

[Andy Beshear]

So you're willing to say things out loud that a lot of others aren't. Has that come with a cost to you?

[Steve Schmidt]

Of course, you know, if you, if you work in, if you work in, in college, sports, your friends are likely to also be involved in sports. Your dad was the governor of Kentucky. You're the governor of Kentucky. Politics is a big part of your career, your life. And for me, every professional association I ever had, I have lost. And I've lost that relationship in many instances, friendships. On a matter of principle. I'm not capable ever of getting on board with this indecency and the cruelty that we see. And I think it's important to remember

[John Rabinowitz]

that

[Steve Schmidt]

there is an arm's length trail of testimony for all of these people. We know what Marco Rubio thought about Trump. We know what JD Vance thought about Trump. We know what everybody thought about Trump. And we saw the abdication of their duty, their responsibility, their common sense, and in the end, most disturbingly, faithlessness in their oath to the Constitution of the United States, which every single one of them, in my view, has sundered.

[Andy Beshear]

I think about that in not just the founders rolling over in their grave because Congress won't do its job. A lot of these Cabinet secretaries won't do their job. But I think about that oath because I've taken it and my hand was on a Bible. And today, Donald Trump posted a photo of himself. Jesus. And then later claimed he thought it was a doctor.

[Steve Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Andy Beshear]

Just amazing. So I want to thank you for your courage, the courage to stand up for your convictions. And I'm sure you've thought about this a lot. But I think about Marco Rubio, who we called Little Marco. I think about Ted Cruz, who he went after his wife and then suggested his dad was in the JFK assassination in some way. How did these people lose their entire backbone in any type of courage in their own convictions?

[Steve Schmidt]

I think their ambition far exceeds their dignity and their self worth. There is a brokenness in so many people that have achieved high office with Trump, who never for 100 different reasons, but mostly character based, would have ever been given positions of commensurate responsibility under any leader in either party before this. We have the lowest and the worst that have accumulated together in a faction working for this untreated psychiatric patient. And all of them have taken temporary comforts or privilege. I don't know how you think about it with no thought of what might come tomorrow. And I think Christy Noem and Pam Bondi fit into a category that few people will ever achieve. Sarah Ferguson, former Duchess of York, has achieved it. Prince Andrew achieved it. Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, Howard Lutnick. In a 250 year history, these are some of the most villainous personalities in American history. Faithless to the republic, to the cause, faithless to their oath. They desecrated it and they've done tremendous damage to people all over the world, to people in this country, to our rights, to our freedoms. And we are called, I think, in this 250th year of our independence to be less celebratory and more activist, more defiant in our remembrance of the birth of the United States, that we are called in this moment to take possession of our liberty and to fight for it. And that's what's going on in this country right now.

[Andy Beshear]

I was listening to you name all of those cabinet members or advisors fully agreeing with you. And you didn't even get to RFK Jr who has done more to jeopardize the health of the American people than I thought was possible. Suddenly measles are back and the leading voice on health is talking about snorting cocaine off a toilet seat.

[Steve Schmidt]

He's a degenerate and I don't know what else to say about it. We achieved an apogee of scientific progress that we have fallen back from. Cancer, has won a round. Diseases thought cured have come back because of the venality, the incompetence and the extremism of people like Robert Kennedy. And it's not just the extremism which is foundational to his misrule there. It's also the corruption. And so Robert Kennedy has wreaked havoc on while setting himself up for decades to come for as long as he practices law to make money on the basis of lawsuits that will be won on the basis of the crazed regulations that he's imposed. Corruption is at a titanic level in the country, the likes of which we haven't seen in either of our lifetimes.

[Andy Beshear]

Can the Republican Party come back from this? And if so, how?

[Steve Schmidt]

I. I don't know the answer to it. It could go either way at, at some level. The answer is this, is that if the Democratic Party could survive slavery, I think the Republican Party may be able to survive Trump. These two political parties may be, as institutions, truly too big to fail. And when we look at both parties, we have to appreciate, I think, that they have both produced some of the greatest leaders in the country's history. And they are both two of the most important institutions in human history for the advancement of human dignity and freedom. But they are also human institutions and they are fallible. I do believe that this iteration of the Republican Party, nativist, nationalist, un American, needs to be burned to the ground. And ultimately, I think that you will have a candidate who will be a plus plus plus of what Bill Clinton was in 1992 when Democrats had lost five out of six national elections and he ran in a reform space. There will be a Republican who emerges someday, if for no other reason, the opportunities that present itself from a market that will exist for somebody to go out and tell the truth about all of this. And that person who is courageous enough to tell the truth about the catastrophe of these years will likely become the leader of a Republican Party at some point in the future. But it's a long ways off. There is so much toxicity built up, so much brokenness in the party that a fire regenerates the forest, but not until it burns it down. And that's what we need to be focused on, is the burning season here, is that this political party in its current form, nativist, racist, un American, irresponsible, reckless with the national security, it must be defeated. It is the Confederacy of the 21st century, and there is no room to compromise with it.

[Andy Beshear]

You're listening to the Andy Beshear podcast and our conversation with Steve Schmidt. So, Steve, hearing you describe it that way lets me know exactly why you organized the Lincoln Project. You know, not just speaking out, but putting this together for our listeners that might not know about it. Tell us about the Lincoln Project.

[Steve Schmidt]

Well, it was. It was an effort in 2020 that had about a billion dollars of Inc impact, according to some of the analysts who do the metrics raised, spent about $100 million, but became a principal antagonist to Donald Trump for many months during COVID the Biden operation. Was not running. Was not running a campaign. There was no Democratic nominee. And we went out there, we were a group of former Republicans, and we took the stick to Donald Trump and I think made a really big impact. And in this election cycle, I've started another group. It's called the Save America Movement. You can find that at the saveamericamovement.org we have raised money from hundreds of thousands of Americans from all 50 states, from all over the world. We have deployed Liberty Vans to film ice. Some of our footage has been used in federal court hearings. We have confronted MAGA at every conceivable level from the beginning of the term and will continue to do so. And all of these groups, and I think everybody involved in public life right now is called at a moral level, at a decency level, to oppose this. And my personal view is that this must be opposed relentlessly, it must be opposed fiercely until MAGA is defeated and we can move forward in a period of reform and renewal that strengthens the country, that strips power away from its accumulation in too few places, in too few hands, which is a proverbial problem in any democratic society, in any republic. Franklin Roosevelt talked specifically about this in 1932 and 1936. And this is what the focus has to be. The people of the United States have to take back power from the entrenched and privileged classes, the billionaire classes, the political classes, the corporate classes, and the people will do so. And we're going to see an election. You are very ably running the Democratic Governors Association. We're going to see Democratic governors in states like Ohio. We're going to see Democratic senators in states, excuse me, Democratic governors in states like Iowa. We're going to see Democratic senators in states like Ohio. And we're going to. We're going to. We're going to have a lot of people who look at this election in November, and you can look at what we just saw in Hungary. We're going to have a version of that in November. We got a wipeout coming our way, or MAGA has a wipeout coming their way more directly.

[Andy Beshear]

I'm glad you mentioned Hungary because we're worried about free and fair elections right now in the United States. But there was certainly a fear in Hungary, especially with the way that their president held power. What do you think that election tells us about what we'll see in the midterms and beyond?

[Steve Schmidt]

I think that. Well, let me. There are too many Democrats, rhetorically, that will say things such as if we have elections or if the elections are fair or free. And I can't stress how deeply I disagree with that. Donald Trump does not have the power to cancel an American election. We have had elections since the 1780s, through civil war, through Cold War, through Great Depression and recession, in all manner of crisis, and we're going to have another election. And we have free and fair elections in the United States. We are the world's gold standard. One of the greatest political communications failures ever has been the failure of the Democratic Party, Democratic leaders, but Americans generally in civil society, a lot of independents, corporate leaders, news leaders, to be able to communicate something very simple, that every single claim that Donald Trump has ever made about the stolen election has been a lie, full of shit. And for some reason, the opposition to Trump in this country was not able to drill that into the head of the American people. We've had a catastrophic consequence from that, and it's going to take a long season to clean it up and to restore faith and trust. Faith and trust in democracy is essential to its preservation. And I do a lot of speaking around the country and I always tell the audience I really only have one thing I've ever done in my life that gives me any, I think, standing to talk about any of this stuff. And it's this. I was the person who placed the concession phone call for John McCain to Barack Obama through my friend David Plouff. I was the first person who addressed Barack Obama as Mr. President elect who mattered in the country. And John McCain was the one who really mattered. It is the loser of an election in a democracy who sanctifies the victory of the winner through the concession. In our country, the people are sovereign and you must, if you run for office, have the humility to accept the judgment of the people. And Trump's psychotic brokenness and his inability to accept that has done as much damage to this country as any single act by any single person you could name in our entire history.

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[Andy Beshear]

I think about John McCain and I think about Trump's attacks on him. And I think it's Trump's reaction to decency, that he somehow views decency as a weakness instead of strength. I still remember, I think one of the most poignant political moments that I wish was replicated in every election IS When John McCain stopped one of the people at one of his town halls who was saying something untruthful about Barack Obama. And I just still remember that moment where he basically said, we're all Americans first.

[Steve Schmidt]

I always, you know, I've spent a lot of my career working with political candidates and at high levels and all over the world. And I always ask a question, I always say, what is the most important quality of political leadership? And this isn't a math problem. It's my opinion. And I'll argue the point, but I'll pose the question and there'll be a variety of answers, but I'll always answer back in the conversation. I'll say, I think it's humility and restraint. Restraint is essential in a leader, and Trump lacks both humility and therefore any capacity for restraint. And his maximalist approach in all things that severs connection to what happened immediately before or the consequence that's going to follow immediately after. Together, this combination of short term thinking, of narcissistic moment to moment indulgence, all of it combined, has created a very dangerous situation that explains why America is fighting a war on its 45th day that we're losing.

[Andy Beshear]

So tell our listeners what you think the Democratic Party ought to be doing differently to meet this threat and to meet this moment.

[Steve Schmidt]

I think that every Democratic candidate is going to be asked a question in 2028, and this question is a character test. It's about whether you're going to tell the truth or not. Jeb Bush was asked a question in 2016, and it remains the gold medal winner in that election for the craziest answer given. The question he was asked was, knowing what we know now, would you have supported toppling Saddam Hussein again? And of course, by 2016, there were very few people in the country who didn't realize this was a mistake. And the question that Jeb Bush was being asked wasn't a question about tell us the answer. It was, will you tell us the truth about your brother's mistake?

[Andy Beshear]

Yes.

[Steve Schmidt]

Or will you defend the indefensible, choosing your brother's side in politics over our interests? And of course, Trump famously came out and said, this war was a disaster. The question Democrats are going to deal with in 2028 is how is it that the Democratic Party lost twice to Donald Trump? And we started talking at the beginning about the Republicans all getting in line. And Democrats were brutal critical of Republicans for getting in line behind Trump. And then every Democrat who criticized, rightly every Republican got in line behind the Biden candidacy, which was a force. Voters did not reject an imperiled democracy. They didn't say, we're indifferent about democracy. What they rejected was the force. An 82 year old guy plainly, evidently, visibly couldn't walk down the stairs, couldn't speak in a coherent sentence. And everybody said, oh, he's great, he's fine. We're going to win. Biden's decision to break his promise, it was a catastrophic decision. And every Democratic candidate is going to be asked that question. And every Democratic candidate is going to have to answer it. You're going to have to answer the question, why did we lose? And the answer to that question is a character question. And the candidates that answer that question with character are going to get a shot. People are going to listen to them. People are going to hear what they have to say. Candidates are going to be asked about COVID about the shutting down of the schools. The mistakes that were made have to be acknowledged forthrightly, accurately, directly. No one's going to penalize people for making mistakes and tough jobs. What the American people want is a political party to level with them, to be honest with them. And first and foremost, the Democratic Party has to be the Reform and Renewal Party. It has to be the Ethics Party. It has to be the Reform Party. And it has to be intolerant at the highest conceivable level of wrongdoing and corruption in office. It has to be the Good Government Party. It has to be the party that says, we want your trust and we'll earn it.

[Andy Beshear]

I can tell how personally this Trump administration hits you. And I think a lot of our listeners, it hits them the lack of decency. So what do you do to turn it off? What do you do for your mental health? You've been out there you're showing the courage, you're speaking out. But what do you do to just take that breath and maybe spend a little time with family?

[Steve Schmidt]

I like. Well, I like, you know, it's you. Obviously, spending time with family is key, whether it's a night out with your wife or spending time with the kids. I love to go to a couple baseball games a year, more than a couple. I like to fish. I like playing with. I like playing with the dogs and all of that, all of that good stuff. But I think everybody, as you go through life, I can't explain why it is that politics and this stuff has always been the thing that I was interested in since I was a little kid. Some people have a penchant for math. Maybe they get drawn and they become engineers. But if you care about that stuff and it's central to what you've done in life and who you are, it's tough to escape Trump because he's omnipresent. The damage is constant. And one thing that the football coach, Jim Harbaugh said, and I'm a Jim Harbaugh fan, he said something once, he says there's joy in the struggle. And I think that's true. I feel a great privilege of being able to be in the fight against this in a consequential time. You know, I'm 55 years old. I grew up in an era where there were books written a bit that we were at the end of history, that, you know, all of the world's problems had been solved, that it was at the end of the Cold War, that was it. That's not how the world has turned since then. But we live in very consequential times. And I think about something that FDR said in 1936, he said the Democratic Convention, he said there is a peculiar rhythm to history. He said, of some generations, much is given. Other generations, much is expected. This generation, he said, has a rendezvous with destiny. We remember them as the greatest generation. Think if you're a millennial or a Gen Xer, you certainly grew up in an era where you were on the much is given side of the coin. As it turned out, I think we're in generations that much is expected of. And what is expected, expected of us in this moment is to defend the cause, which is what the patriot fathers and mothers of the country called the revolution that gave birth to our liberty and the defense of that liberty, that freedom, what's right against the wrong. That is what this moment is about. And every opportunity we get to participate in it is one that should give us joy even when we have exasperation along with it. Because what every person who fights back against this is doing deeply matters.

[Andy Beshear]

Very well said, Steve. Thanks for joining the podcast.

[Steve Schmidt]

My pleasure, Governor.

[Andy Beshear]

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[Andy Beshear]

And now on the Andy Beshear podcast, my conversation with the Johns. This is my conversation with my friends John Rabinowitz and John McConnell. John Rabinowitz, a lawyer and small business owner, because he will tell you all about those businesses as well as John McConnell, small business owner himself. It's where we try to get through the tough issues of the day because there is so much news right now and it's all seems crazy. So here's our attempt to make a little sense of it.

[John Rabinowitz]

Not much has gone on over the last week.

[Andy Beshear]

So much. And we're going to try to break it all down. But let's start with Iran. Iran already was a big deal. We were at war. The Strait of Hormuz was closed, oil skyrocketing. But since the last time we've talked the President of the United States on his truth Social threatened to end their civilization.

[John McConnell]

So when we start talking about war crimes, is that a war crime? How many war crimes are we going to add up to what we're doing in Iran? It seems like every time we turn around there's a different conversation about is it a war crime or not? So how many are we up to now? John, what do you think?

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, listen, he thinks that he won with that statement because he brought Iran to the table, which ultimately, I'm sure we'll talk about in a second. Did not work at all. Work at all. Right. I will say that. I don't know if you guys remember that. I think it was last Tuesday when he said that. Last. Last week. What a weird feeling as an American.

[Andy Beshear]

Yes.

[John Rabinowitz]

Quite frankly, like when you're watching the news, you're like, you're like. Or it's the Wednesday after and you know, like, time is ticking. Are we going to, you know, is World War three going to happen? Are we going to war? Are they going to have a draft? All these different things.

[Andy Beshear]

And the United States made that threat. And that's the hard part for me. I mean, it's tough all the way around. But the idea that we become the bully on the playground instead of the leader of the free world and we were going to threaten to end not a regime, not a military, but a civilization, that coming from the United States and from a president, to me is just beyond the pale.

[John Rabinowitz]

What I vividly remember, the thing that, like, really was super impactful to me was the video. Now, listen, I think Trump's people said that the Iranian government put these people up to it, but the people on the bridges and near the different plants locking hands and arms and basically like sacrificial lambs if we are to bomb them. I mean, it's just, it was very, very impactful.

[Andy Beshear]

John McConnell, you and I were together that day where the clock was ticking, and I said to you. What concerns me is a comment that he made to his unauthorized biographer once that he wanted to be the most famous person in the world. I worry in his mind he also wants to be one of the most famous people in history. And good or bad does not seem to impact him in trying to reach that. So my concern was he thought maybe one way to get there would be to be the president that actually dropped a nuclear bomb.

[John McConnell]

Yeah. And it feels like however he can get the attention to continue to build the narrative that he is the most talked about president ever. Whatever the path is to get there, he'll just keep saying it. And we talk about this truce and how that kind of came through. But I get the feeling when you watch enough of it on the news, it makes me feel like they say, hey, we're having a truce with actually talking to anybody.

[Andy Beshear]

Let's talk about that truce. Because it was announced by the president with a couple hours to go until apparently he was going to end a civilization, but no one knew what was in it. JD Vance was asked just a little bit later, wait a minute, what about Lebanon. And he did not know because I don't think they had any real specifics or anything on paper. What we were told is it's going to stop all the fighting, it's going to reopen the Strait. And apparently we were going to negotiate from Iran's ten point plan.

[John Rabinowitz]

Yeah, right. You know, I think we had a 15 point plan. Iran had a 10 point plan and

[Andy Beshear]

we're going to work on it.

[John Rabinowitz]

Then it came down to like, it sounds like yesterday after or 21 hours of trying to negotiate unsuccessfully, it came down to like two or three main points. But the number one point, nuclear weapons.

[John McConnell]

Well, it seems like a good way not to make a true solid is probably to send JD Vance to go do your negotiating for you.

[Andy Beshear]

So that's another big headline he sent on center stage and has to announce at the end of the day, after Trump had basically announced that this thing was done and we were just going to negotiate, the rest of it basically came out and said we failed.

[John Rabinowitz]

Listen, I don't want a world where Iran has nuclear weapons or their tools to make nuclear weapons. I'm in complete agreement with that. As we sit here today. I'm sure we'll talk about it a second. The blockade of the Strait.

[Andy Beshear]

I'm not sure it's the double blockade.

[John Rabinowitz]

The double blockade now is just like a little bit too much. So why don't we just raise gas prices and energy costs? But to think that we were going to be able to get something done in 21 hours is a little unrealistic,

[Andy Beshear]

as were the ideas by this president when he went into this conflict that there would somehow be an uprising and regime change. It's now clear that that's what he thought would happen, that he couldn't differentiate between Venezuela and Iran and the differences in their societies. But what's hitting the American people right now, when things already cost too much, is the closing by Iran of the Strait. And I think there was an under appreciation by the Trump administration that this would happen. Iran was previously scared to do this, but basically the war forced them into it and now they have huge leverage. And so that leverage, which is skyrocketing prices of everything worldwide now just got, I guess doubled because the US said, no, you're not going to be the only one to blockade it. We're going to do it too.

[John McConnell]

And John, I think you've got more cars on the roads with the kids than we do right now.

[John Rabinowitz]

Listen, I called you the other day. I can't remember what state I happened to be in at the time, but gas was $5. And I said, like, even I am shocked now. I keep hearing that eventually it'll go down, but it just keeps going up. I will tell you, something's got to give. The way he's kind of distracting a little bit in terms of. By the way, on a side note, I was going to ask you to. Did he really even think it would. There would be any sort of resolution? He went to a UFC match and, like, poor J.D. vance is sitting here negotiating this deal. But he said, we already won. Do you think we already won?

[John McConnell]

It doesn't feel like a win right now.

[Andy Beshear]

It doesn't seem like we've accomplished any. Any of those four goals they claimed. In the beginning. It always seemed like he was going to reach a point where he knew he couldn't achieve those objectives and then just say he did. Like he was on Truth Social saying they'd had full regime change. And I guess he means going from a father that either the US or Israel killed to a son that's now more radicalized as somehow total and positive regime change.

[John McConnell]

Andy and I had a good conversation about what it looks like between going from EV to gas and back and forth. And what he's done right now is he's stopped you, really from having either one.

[Andy Beshear]

He tanked the EV market when he pulled all those credits, and all of these factories have had to pivot or stop. And now he's increased the price of gas. He's hit us on both sides. But let me shift a little bit.

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, I was going to say, and at the same time, offended by faith and my Pope.

[Andy Beshear]

So this is a couple of posts that he's made between last night and this morning, because we filmed this on Mondays. So he goes on Truth Social and goes after the current Pope. He calls him weak, and then he posts what is clearly a picture of him as Jesus. He's wearing the Jesus robes. We'll put it on the screen. He's got the Jesus orb hands. I mean, everything on that. You know exactly what it is. And then when called to task, when said, how do you, as a human being that claims to believe in God and Christ, depict yourself as him? And he said, oh, no, I thought this was me as a doctor.

[John Rabinowitz]

I can't in my lifetime remember a Pope and a President exchanging words. I think it's somewhat unprecedented, to be honest with you. And I think we talked about this before. I'm a Republican, yes. But my faith and my family come before my party and to me fighting with our Pope is just unacceptable. I mean, and just by the way, what did the Pope say in response? Like, he said, blessed are the peacemakers.

[Andy Beshear]

Yes. President Trump said the Pope was weak and basically woke. And the Pope said, I'm going to preach the gospel.

[John Rabinowitz]

Right.

[Andy Beshear]

One of those is Christian. And the guy who posted himself as Jesus is not.

[John Rabinowitz]

And he's not going to go. The Pope will not go in a back and forth on it, but he's certainly not intimidated by the Trump administration.

[Andy Beshear]

You know what? I think Donald Trump needs to read Go and do likewise available for pre order wherever you buy your books.

[John Rabinowitz]

John, I want to just get this on the record right now. If he ever gives me grief about branding again. Oh, it's just totally.

[Andy Beshear]

What type of branding could you be talking about?

[John Rabinowitz]

But are we showing this picture? Is the audience seeing this picture?

[Andy Beshear]

They seen it and now they're seeing.

[John McConnell]

And you've got a different type of

[Andy Beshear]

coffee cup, the new Winnie Bashir coffee cups, the mascot of the Andy Bashir podcast. So there are some people who say that part of the reason that Trump was willing to go to war with Iran so eagerly was to distract from the Epstein files, that he was taking on water and certainly does not sympathize or empathize with the victims because he recently said, oh, they didn't find enough about me, so we should move on. Just putting aside all of those people that were violated over and over and not getting justice for them. But the first lady, Melania Trump, has a surprise press conference and says, I was not introduced to my husband by Jeffrey Epstein and did not really know Jeffrey Epstein. I don't think that that's what the Trump administration was hoping for.

[John McConnell]

Yeah. Then you've got just all the pictures coming out where they're standing around him and together, but yet have no idea who he is.

[John Rabinowitz]

I sometimes tell my friends, like, don't make it an issue by bringing it up. Like, I didn't even really know that was a major issue. I mean, we'd seen some of those pictures. I guess maybe some new pictures were released and maybe they were trying to get out in front of it, but it seemed kind of odd.

[Andy Beshear]

But back, front and center because of a press conference in the White House. And that's one of those things where if, if there's no truth to it, why are you looking into a camera when it hasn't been that big of a news and denying it?

[John Rabinowitz]

And I think what did Trump say that he didn't know what she was going to say, but knew she was upset by the rumors linking she and Epstein. So I guess maybe now she was able to talk about the issues and get it off her chest.

[Andy Beshear]

Yeah, let's move from something chaotic to something heroic. Let's talk about Artemis and those astronauts having gone further into space than ever before and returning home safely.

[John McConnell]

And I think the country, after everything we've just talked about, needed something to be excited about, to find some pride in as a country, to watch that on TV and see that happen.

[John Rabinowitz]

So I grew up in Orlando, and I vividly remember we would go outside in classes in elementary school and watch the space shuttles go off. And it seems so weird to me that there's been such a delay in space travel in such, what, over 50 years since we've been to the moon. But these. I mean, to learn more about this trip, what heroes, number one, what do they call, like, ambassadors to humanity? More or less is what they're being labeled as. It's amazing.

[Andy Beshear]

And we're showing on the screen right now some of their photos of the dark side of the moon. Never photographed before. And it is interesting that this is the furthest that man or woman have ever gone into space. And this time it's intentional because the record previously was Apollo 13. And they only reached that distance because of what it was going to take to slingshot back to Earth to save their lives.

[John Rabinowitz]

And they didn't even know if. I'm reading right. They didn't know if the capsule would work right when they were up that high, there was a time period where all the comms went out and they were completely dark. I mean, this is a pretty amazing trip and probably the start of building something on the moon.

[John McConnell]

Hopefully more and more to follow. But one problem we'll have with that is, is that right now there's some pretty tremendous cuts coming to NASA.

[Andy Beshear]

I think that's a good point because everyone is so excited about this. It reminds us of why the space program was so important. Maybe it reminds us of our basic humanity. We also went up there with us astronauts and a Canadian. But with the cuts coming, did we just give a little bit of hope and promise that is now pulled back?

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, we'll just have to see. I think they're supposed to do a launch, what, next year and the year after. I think 28 is when they want to be on the moon. So it's going to be fascinating to watch.

[John McConnell]

It will be.

[Andy Beshear]

So we also all just got finished as a country with spring break. When I was a younger professional, I didn't realize that that would Be a thing, but it is definitely a thing. And we have seen travel chaos continue around the country. John and I both were supposed to be on a plane, John McConnell and I, that was fully canceled about an hour and a half before it was to take off. Only options standby. I mean, you pay a bunch for a ticket and they can't even get you where you're going to go.

[John Rabinowitz]

And you have to arrange your whole day different because, you know, you have to get to the airport a few hours early to get through the TSA

[Andy Beshear]

line or you drive and it costs the same amount because of the price of gas.

[John Rabinowitz]

I don't know, man. Like these price of airline tickets now is crazy. Just. I mean, almost in some spots it's doubled.

[Andy Beshear]

And that's the impact of the price of oil as impacted by the war on Iran or the war with Iran. And it's hitting everything. It's hitting farmers with their diesel. It just hits every part of life again. This is a president who said we want more reliance on fossil fuels and then just made them grossly expensive.

[John McConnell]

And hopefully there becomes some sense in the White House and we start to see this ease for the American people. Because just getting through month to month,

[Andy Beshear]

I'd say we could pray for that. But after the picture he posted of him as Jesus, I don't know.

[John Rabinowitz]

That outfit was definitely not a doctor outfit. And the orb in the hand was too much.

[Andy Beshear]

Your doctors never walked in Jesus robes.

[John Rabinowitz]

Listen, if they did, I think I might walk out. I'm just not sure. I don't know how that would go. So in addition to other issues, you had a great weekend.

[Andy Beshear]

I did.

[John Rabinowitz]

I've read many articles about you. You went in. I think you were.

[Andy Beshear]

Only the good ones are true.

[John Rabinowitz]

Listen, that's great. They all seem good.

[Andy Beshear]

All right.

[John Rabinowitz]

So it looks like you started Saturday morning on the way to New York, did an event in New York with

[Andy Beshear]

Reverend Sharpton, National Action Network.

[Reverend Sharpton]

But I was very interested how Governor Bashir was able to really get a very good response because he talked about being raised by a Baptist minister's father. He knew Reverend Malone, who was a key national board member. He talked to a lot of the religious side of the movement, which, you know, we come out of the King movement. And that means a lot. Bashir was good. Shapiro was very well received. And I think that he did very well. And I think Cory Booker did well. I think the question is going to be who can come with the message? And that will energize the base and expand the base at the Same time. And as Donald Trump gets further and further bizarre because when you're dealing with church based civil rights groups like the one I had or others, and you have a man that is now acting, you know, projecting like he's Jesus, which is blasphemous in the eyes of many people. I mean, I think the Christian right as a challenge this morning on how you support someone that not only says at one point he was anointed by Jesus, now he is Jesus while he attacks the Pope. He's given them a lot to consider and a lot for his potential opponents because he will be the one that has to deem his successor. I would assume he gives a lot for his opponents to work with.

[John Rabinowitz]

And then you ended up in Georgia. So can you tell us a little bit about why you were at both?

[Andy Beshear]

Sure. We were at the National Action Network, which Reverend Sharpton leads, an amazing civil rights group that has been doing good work. And he had a parade of national leaders. I was one of the last to speak. I went in between Mark Kelly and Cory Booker. And the moment I walked in to a really nice introduction by Reverend Sharpton, a big group from Louisville jumped up and were cheering. And I'll never forget hearing, that's my governor. That's my governor.

[John McConnell]

I got to be there for it. And when he says cheering, he is correct. On their feet, clapping and yelling for it. Being so proud that he was.

[John Rabinowitz]

Is this an annual event that he does or was this a.

[Andy Beshear]

It is, but this was a big anniversary of it. So this is the biggest one they'd ever had. At different points, 12,000 people registered. It's a big deal. And then we had about a 30 minute conversation where he asked a lot of tough questions, questions. But I think I had the right answers. And part of that, I think, is just the good work we've done in Kentucky with our civil rights leaders right here. Walter Malone, one of my favorite pastors in Kentucky, is on the national board of the organization and certainly his council. And Kevin Cosby and Corey Shull and Sadiqa Reynolds, who are all amazing leaders here in Kentucky, people that have felt what I can't. You know, I always start out my answers on racism as I'll never be able to personally feel it or to carry the scars of the legacy of slavery and segregation and Jim Crow. But I can listen and I can work to hear and learn. And then we can take intentional steps forward. The crowd liked here in the receipts. They loved the first hospital in West Louisville, our largest African American community in 150 years that saw 60,000 people during its first year. Only 24 hour pharmacy open in those communities. They loved hearing about the thousand plus new jobs in the same area, the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue, the implementation by executive order of the Crown act and just other intentional steps we've taken to make sure that everybody is included.

[John Rabinowitz]

You know John, I'll ask you this, since you were there. There seemed to be a running theme with the guests that were at this event. I've heard them link to this job in 28. I don't know, did it seem there

[John McConnell]

were a few mentions about some type of an opening that would happen in 28? It came up and of course Andy was asked and had a terrific response,

[Andy Beshear]

had the same answer I always give. But at the end he said, you know, I pray to God and I pray about 2028. And I leaned in and said do you give him recommendations? And I think he enjoyed that. But since both in the press and both TV and in print was saying he was impressed by the reception that I got. Listen, he rightfully is a tough critic. He's seen a lot, good and bad. I respect his opinions greatly. Hearing him talk about Jesse Jackson, who I got to know just a little bit and I can still remember the last thing Reverend Jackson said to me. I view Al Sharpton in many ways as one of the key figures carrying on that legacy. So being on that stage with him is pretty special.

[John Rabinowitz]

That's pretty cool. And then you end up that evening in Atlanta. In Atlanta. And what was that all about?

[Andy Beshear]

That was the Georgia Democratic dinner. 900 plus people talk about an enormous room. Two years ago I beat Donald Trump's hand picked candidate by five points. And we're going to make sure we re elect John Ossett by a lot more than five points. Thank you for the invitation to join you tonight at the Carter Lewis Dinner. I am excited to be here. We heard from Senators Warnock and Ossoff. Certainly Ossoff is up again. I got to talk about the governor's race in Georgia and the fact we need to elect a Democrat. But what I really got to talk about is how I understood how they felt as Southern Democrats about being overlooked for far too long, about being under resourced and oftentimes left out. And how we had fought our way back to the table. Winning two governors races in Kentucky, winning those two great U.S. senate races in Georgia along with some Public Service Commission seats that were statewide elections. Abigail Spanberger winning in Virginia, Josh Stein winning in North Carolina. Roy Cooper about to win A Senate race in North Carolina. I'd like to say that Southern Democrats are back because we scrap for it.

[John McConnell]

Yep. And you're feeling the movement inside the room as the rep. And speaking. So the excitement's real. It was pulling it around us.

[John Rabinowitz]

Well, that's great. I mean, no other speeches that day you could have given?

[Andy Beshear]

Maybe I'll.

[John Rabinowitz]

There had to be a window of time. I think I read somewhere it was a 30 minute speech, John. I thought we'd said at most 15 minute speeches. You made it all the way through.

[John McConnell]

Yeah, he kept stretching it through.

[Andy Beshear]

We were awake and ready. It was about 27. They were into it. Y' all probably would have left.

[John Rabinowitz]

I love it.

[Andy Beshear]

I hope you've enjoyed this episode of the Andy Beshear Podcast. We heard from Steve Schmidt, who did not hold back either from his opinions on the Trump administration or on what Democrats should do differently. And that's what this podcast is about. People being real, talking about what they think, even shaking things up a bit. And then my conversation with the Johns. There was a lot of news we covered because the world is just that crazy right now. Remember, the merch store is open and as you saw on this episode, we have Winnie Beshear merch. So get on there. Make sure you get your Winnie mug or your Winnie stickers. They always sell out and sell out quickly. Also going forward, you're going to notice some changes in the podcast. You're going to see the Johns taking over some interviews and you're going to see us responding to photos, videos and using other media. So if you just listen to us, make sure you also check out our YouTube channel at Andy Beshear Podcast. And remember, you can download this podcast wherever you download your podcast, but we'd encourage you to download that SiriusXM app. We're grateful for being a part of the SiriusXM family. And remember, you can listen to us on the Progress channel at 11am Central Saturday mornings. Appreciate serious support and belief in this podcast. But to everybody out there, this is supposed to be your podcast too. So get on YouTube and leave us comments. Tell us what you want to see that's different. Tell us what you want to hear that's different. We'll listen to all your suggestions and if you want specific questions asked to me or some of our guests, pop them in those comments. We will read some of them during some of the next episodes. We really look forward to this. We're over a year in and we're only getting better. Help us do even better than that. Thank y' all. Boom. Clock it.

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