
Hosted by Anthony Metivier's Magnetic Memory Method Podcast · EN

You might expect an expert from OpenAI to rely entirely on digital tools to learn faster. Andrew Mayne does the exact opposite. Andrew is a true modern polymath: And in this hope-inspiring set of conversations, this AI expert, innovator, magician, novelist and host of the OpenAI podcast shares his passion for memory techniques. In addition to unfolding why practicing with older memory techniques still matters, he’s navigating the best of all possible worlds. And he’s got me convinced that this combinatory approach is the best choice. But never at the expense of preserving our age-old memorization techniques and learning tools. Andrew’s exploration of AI and Memory Palace creation is nothing short of extraordinary, and just as thrilling as his novels given what he’s concluded so far. So join in as we discuss the science behind why “easy” learning often fails. And exactly how to build a bit of friction into your routine. So that you retain more and enjoy new technologies without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzD_6Olaqw Why AI Expert Andrew Mayne Uses “Analog” Memory (New Conversation) Since our last discussion on the intersection of AI and Memory Palaces (see below), Andrew has continued to push the boundaries of how we learn in a digital age. But in this new episode, we take a surprising turn. We aren’t just talking about the future. We are talking about the tactics of the autodidact and polymath in the here and now. Andrew reveals why, despite working at the cutting edge of OpenAI, he often chooses “analog” tools to train his brain. I’m talking about tools like: Playing cards Physical journals Reading physical books Having lots of conversations We dig deep into role of friction in developing new memories and the science behind why “easy” learning often fails, and how you can use tools like ChatGPT and other AI tools to test your memory without becoming dependent on them. You’ll also discover why an app-based Cloze test did not work for Andrew.   Missed our first conversation? In this original interview, we established the foundation as AI was unfolding in real time. Part One: The Intersection of AI & The Ancient Art of Memory Ready to explore how AI and Memory Palaces can work together to unlock sharper and longer-lasting memory? Listen in as we explore: The essence of why the Memory Palace technique has stood the test of time. AI’s role in human memory: How artificial intelligence can possible enhance, refine, and possibly revolutionize how we use Memory Palaces today. Future Insights: Andrew’s positive vision for where modern tech might take us and his enthusiasm for preserving the ancient art of memory. And many other “old” artefacts of the human experience. Whether you’re a student looking to ace your exams, a professional aiming to remember more in less time, or just someone fascinated by the intersection of technology, memory science and human potential, this discussion will be a point of inspiration as you continue to develop enhanced memory capabilities. Here’s the video version of the discussion: https://youtu.be/iS_BgFuUohA For More Andrew Mayne If you’d like to learn more about Andrew and his incredible output, here is a link library for you to explore: Andrew’s homepage Andrew on X Andrew on Wikipedia Andrew’s incredible books on Amazon Andrew’s Penguin Live magic lecture Watch Andrew on the Youtube version of the OpenAI Podcast, where he interviews the world’s top minds shaping the future of artificial intelligence. For a related podcast on ancient technologies and memory, check out my discussion with Lynne Kelly about The Knowledge Gene. And to continue the theme of magic, see what you think when I try to use a magic trick by way of testing Nelson Dellis’ theory of remote viewing. You might appreciate my thoughts on How to Approach Learning in the Age of AI as well as tutorials on becoming polymathic and autodidact. Thanks for listening or watching and hope to hang out with you again soon on the Magnetic Memory Method Podcast!

If you want to understand the future of learning and equip yourself with the best possible tools for operating at the top of your game, I believe becoming polymathic is your best bet. And to succeed in mastering multiple skills and tying together multiple domains of knowledge, it’s helpful to have contemporary examples. Especially from people operating way out on the margins of the possible. That’s why today we’re looking at what happens when a poet decides to stop writing on easily destroyed paper. Ebooks and the computers that store information have a shelf life too. No, we’re talking about what happens when a poet starts “writing” into the potentially infinite cellular matter of a seemingly unkillable bacterium. This is the story of The Xenotext. How it came to be, how it relates to memory and the lessons you can learn from the years Christian Bök spent teaching himself the skills needed to potentially save humanity’s most important art from the death of our sun. Poetry. But more importantly, this post is a blueprint for you. The story of The Xenotext is a masterclass in why the era of the specialist is over, and why the future belongs to the polymaths who dare to learn the “impossible” by bringing together multiple fields. What on earth could be impossible, you ask? And what does any of this have to do with memory? Simple: Writing in a way that is highly likely to survive the death of the sun changes the definition of what memory is right now. And it should change what we predict memory will be like in both the near and distant future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQiW1XDAvI Encoding Literature Into Life: The Xenotext Christian Bök, often described as a conceptual poet, has run experiments with words for decades. For example, Eunoia is a univocal lipogram. That means, in each chapter, Bök used only words containing one of the vowels. This is a constraint, and it leads to lines like, “Awkward grammar appals a craftsman.” And “Writing is inhibiting.” There are other “programs” or constraints Bök used to construct the poem. As a result, you hear and feel the textures of your own mother tongue in a completely new way as you read the poem. But for The Xenotext project, Bök wondered if it would be possible to discover the rules and constraints that would enable himself, and conceivably other poets and writers, to encode poetry into a living organism. That leads to a fascinating question about memory that many mnemonists have tackled, even if they’re not fully aware of it. Can a poem outlive the civilization that produced it? If so, and humans are no longer around, how would that work? The Science of How Biology Becomes Poetry As far as I can understand, one of the first steps involved imagining the project itself, followed by learning how it could be possible for a poem to live inside of a cell. And which kind of cell would do the job of protecting the poetry? It turns out that there’s an “extremophile” called Deinococcus radiodurans. It was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the most radiation resistant bacterium on planet Earth. As a life form, its DNA was sequenced and published in 1999. According to the Wikipedia page on The Xenotext, Bök started conceiving of encoding poetry into DNA and then inserting it into the bacterium circa 2002. But the project is about more than having poetry persist within a cell so it can transmit the work without errors later. It’s a kind of combinatory puzzle in which the bacterium acts as a kind of co-author. In order to pull this project off, Bök needed to enlist the help of scientists while mastering multiple skills many people would not normally consider “writing.” But as we head into the future, we definitely should. Radical Autodidacticism: Reaching New Heights Through Deep Discipline To this day, many educators talk about the importance of being a specialist. But The Xenotext project and the work Bök put into it forces us to redefine what it means to be a self-directed learner in the 21st century. When Bök decided to encode a poem into the DNA of an extremophile bacterium, he didn’t just “dabble” in science or explore various interests as a multipotentialite. Nor did he read a few pop-sci books and expect an organism to write a poem in return. No, he spent many years studying genomic and proteomic engineering. He coded his own computer program to help him “unearth” the poetry, all while writing grants and collaborating with multiple experts. The Skill Stack If you’re a lifelong learner with big dreams, it’s useful to examine how people with autodidactic and polymathic personality traits operate. One of the first skills is to allow yourself to dream big. Giving oneself permission like this might not seem like a skill. But since we can model any polymath or other person who inspires us, you probably won’t be surprised that many of the most inspiring polymaths regularly daydream. Picking a dream and pursuing it despite any obstacles is also a skill. And once you’ve got a project, the next step is to take a cue from a polymath like Elon Musk and break your goal down into the most basic principles. No matter how unusual or unlikely your dream, it’s a useful exercise. When it comes to analytical thinking and breaking a goal down so you can start pursuing it, it’s often useful to look at your existing competence. In Bök’s case, I believe he wrote Eunoia by culling words manually from dictionaries over many years. But he couldn’t brute force The Xenotext in that way due to all the biological chemistry involved, so he had to become what you might think of as a computational linguist. My point is not to diminish the originality of this project in any way. But I think it’s helpful to recognize that The Xenotext is not wildly divorced from the skills Bök already had. It’s an evolution that draws from them. There’s also the skill of what Waqas Ahmed calls synesthetic thinking in his book, The Polymath. Not to be mistaken with synesthesia, synesthetic thinking involves imagining an outcome through at least one other sense. ...

Although basing your Memory Palaces on buildings you’ve seen with your own eyes will always be a best practice, it’s not your only option. Sure, buildings are generally best. That’s because remembered locations let us easily “offload” what we want to learn onto walls, corners and furniture as if they were hard drives. But you can also develop thousands of Memory Palace options simply by utilizing art. And there are countless works waiting to be discovered using the phone in your pocket. Using art is in fact one of the most elegant and pleasing ways to expand your memory practice. From paintings and photographs to album covers and book jackets, I’ve long expanded my Memory Palace collection by using art. There is a trap, however. If you use art in the wrong way, you’ll double your cognitive load and confuse yourself faster than you can say “Giordano Bruno.” (In case you don’t catch the reference, Bruno was the Renaissance memory master who used many statues in his Memory Palaces to expand them.) In this tutorial, I’m sharing with you how to use any piece of art as a Memory Palace effectively, including the one “golden rule” you definitely don’t want to break. Believe me, I’ve tried and it’s not worth the hassle. Ready to massively expand your use of mnemonics by drawing upon art you’re already familiar with? Let’s dive in! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7bkrmYJOmE Paintings as Memory Palaces: Architecture Within Architecture Let’s start with the basic concept first. When you use a painting as a Memory Palace, you are opening up a number of options. The simplest involves either using a painting that is already in a building that you are using. Or you place a painting inside of a Memory Palace you’ve used before to expand it. As a third option, you can refer to a painting and use it as a Memory Palace unto itself without reference to where it exists in space. Finally, as I discuss in my post about visiting art galleries to help improve your memory, you can turn galleries and museums into Memory Palaces. By using the various artworks that stood out to you, it’s possible to wind up having an exceptionally strong Memory Palace. One of the Memory Palaces I used to memorize a Sanskrit mantra used Brisbane’s Gallery of Modern Art, for example. Many pieces from one particular exhibition formed part of the encoding process, assisted by an effect memory scientists call context dependent memory. Either way, as I discuss in my main tutorial on how to use the Memory Palace technique, the key is to avoid increasing cognitive load. There’s always the risk of putting pressure on your brain instead of reducing it unless you use the painting variation of the Memory Palace technique carefully. To that end, let’s go through some best practices, starting with the most important. Metivier’s Golden Rule: Do Not “Memorize” Any Memory Palace Some people will hear that I use paintings in my Memory Palaces and start looking at art and memorizing it. Although you can certainly do so, this is not what I mean. Rather, I mean to suggest that if you use any of the possible options I listed above, you make sure that the painting or artwork is already in your memory. This point seemed to be very important to Giordano Bruno, whom I mentioned above. In his book, Thirty Statues, Bruno places his mnemonic associations on mythological figures he already knows. He’s following a principle crucial to all ancient memory techniques that distinguish them from the processes of some memory competitors that have led to a lot of confusion. Whereas memory competitors may learn a lot of associations assisted by techniques like the Major System and the PAO System, that’s for accomplishing short-term retention. For this reason, I wince whenever someone tells me that they’re going to memorize a bunch of locations to use as Memory Palaces. Even after looking at my massive collection of Memory Palace ideas and Memory Palace examples, some people still charge forward and memorize despite learning that the most accomplished mnemonists did not do this. So the point is that if you’re going to use the Mona Lisa as a Memory Palace, make sure you already have a basic mental image of this artwork in your mind. The Mona Lisa Test I’m mentioning the Mona Lisa because it’s both relatively simple and very famous. It’s almost certainly in your long-term memory. But a great way to start using a variety of paintings is to create an inventory. The following activity is a powerful memory exercise unto itself. Step One: Write A-Z on a piece of paper For each letter name an artwork or artist that comes to mind When you’re just starting, I recommend sticking with portrait paintings or photographs You might not be able to complete the whole alphabet. So if Agostina Segatori Sitting in the Cafe du Tambourin by Van Gogh doesn’t leap to mind, move on to B and the other letters until you have at least a few artworks listed. The key to this exercise is to work with w...