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From Top of the world with millions of fans to jail and soon prison.

Let’s see the good the bad and the ugly.

The Good

The Tate’s views on masculinity and in the beginning their resistance to propaganda on Covid hysteria, Climate hysteria, trannies, feminism, pointless war, the trappings of Big Psychology and Big Edu, illegal immigration, repeat offenders, was spot on. They even spoke up for Gaza. Recently they were not saying much of consequence but Andrew did condemn bombing a girls school in Iran. It was like a little spark of how he used to be.

That does not mean they did not screw up in the past with other things. Doesn’t mean they did either. You cannot allow the bias of liking or hating their messages determine the truth of what they may have done.

The Bad

After laying low and being 5 months away from finally getting a trial on a false accuser they are back in jail. Either they thought wrongly that they could not be extradited or naively thought Trump would not turn of them.

The Ugly

The sheer volume of accusations out of the UK even if every one of them is false is going to take many years of litigation. They are looking at life in jail with periodic court appearances.

And sadly, in the case of Andrew at least, it looks like he did use either a barely of age or possibly underage worker in his early webcam business. Which one it was will decide everything.

Were they attacked for political reasons? 100% yes.

Does that mean both are innocent? No. A court will decide that. Right now they don’t even know who their accusers are. But I would go on a limb and say all of them were employees of the webcam business.

I think they are cooked. It is the end of a era. As this thing is being litigated people will just stop talking about them and there will hardly be a mention until the results come in and then they will be forgotten again. They were by all account to people actually near them friendly guys, generous and fun. But there could be skeletons in their closet, mistakes from their youth. Or it could all be BS.

Regardless guilty or innocent, once they are in the UK it is over. It is a lopsided world that this gets so much focus over federal governments in the US redacting files to protect serial pedophiles. And the UK dragging its feet to prosecute and jail grooming gangs.

Update: Excepts from the New Yorker

I will assume that she meant she went there to live, but had been there before to visit. Otherwise she could not have made a video in the UK in 2012.

I misspoke by assuming that I should not have and so did the writer on the New Yorker. The 2012 video does not matter because there is no sex, there is no nudity either. It’s just spanking with a belt, with garments on both people.

Weird? Yes.

Sketchy? Yes.

But illegal? No.

The 2014 video which is the earliest date (and may have been 2015) there is sex. However by then Bibian is of age.

Andrew has the arm tattoo making it late 2014 or after because he got that in Thailand. He does not have it in his kickboxing matches from the years before.

Now here is the issue.

IF that was 2015 then she could be 18 and everything is legal. However IF it was in 2014 then although she was old enough to have consensual sex, there is a law against creating pornography in the UK until a person is 18. We are talking a matter of months that are the difference between 10 years in jail or nothing.

(Normally the person appearing nude must be harmed in some way by it for there to be charges but it’s the UK and they hate him, so that wont come into consideration).

Court will have to tell. Trial by law, not the media, is how all of this should have played out. And it is super clear that the only reason the UK gives a damn about any of these events from a dozen years ago is because of the political things the Tates said.

Andrew Tate is right about the war on Masculinity. He got all of that s**t right. He was a net positive, when he got out of the web-camming industry. Far more than the basic normalcy we see in Hollywood and the music industry of sexual exploitation with no upside.

Let him face up to whatever he actually did. It is highly suspicious though given all these false accusations. False accusers or police/DIICOT manipulating people into false narratives should all also be punished too. And it is possible all are guilty. I can say met both guys and they were super polite and well adjusted. I can imagine them doing the things they have been accused of doing. It is more of a case of lie down with dogs wake up with fleas in my opinion. And when they were poor they did whatever to get ahead.

I just think a fair trial is impossible at this point.

Given the palpable rage that people have for both Tates especially Andrew and that includes the Establishment, I do not see how they can get a trial by jury at all or an impartial judge.

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