514. Trump Owns Liberals & Shows More Courage Than EvangellyFish Pastors

Summary

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Apologia Radio Ep. 514 – Trump Owns Liberals & Shows More Courage Than EvangellyFish Pastors

Date: March 7, 2025
Host: Jeff Durbin (The Common Ninja) with Luke the Bear and Zachary Conover

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Episode Overview

In this deeply engaging and culturally relevant episode of Apologia Radio, Jeff Durbin, Luke the Bear, and Zachary Conover deliver their hard-hitting, gospel-driven analysis of President Donald Trump’s recent joint session of Congress address. With characteristic wit, candor, and theological depth, the crew breaks down Trump's approach, style, and substance, measuring it against Christian principles and American tradition. Major themes include transparency in leadership, the dilemma of executive orders, the interface of Christian ethics with civil government, and the moral accountability of both politicians and pastors.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflections on the Team’s Ministry Work (03:50–09:00)

• Jeff updates listeners on nationwide efforts to abolish abortion, detailing recent impactful trips to Georgia, meetings with legislators, and the momentum behind HB441 ("historic: more co-sponsors than any bill in abolitionist history").
• Calls for prayer, encouragement for listeners: "We're getting closer and closer to justice for the preborn." — Jeff Durbin (05:38)

2. Trump’s Address: Transparency, Strengths and Weaknesses (09:20–16:00)

• Trump’s Style: Refreshing transparency and candidness; unlike any previous president, he “talks to the public like he’s in his living room.”
  • “I really, really like that he’s not behind a wall with the American people. He says what everyone’s thinking.” — Jeff (10:45)
• Critique of Trump’s Hubris: The constant self-praise is jarring; Trump frames everything as unprecedented, sometimes to a fault.
  • “Unfettered hubris.” — Luke (12:11)
  • “Everything he talks about is ‘it’s the best it’s ever been.’…Maybe in history.” — Jeff (12:13)
• Balanced Evaluation: The crew stresses they are neither Trump sycophants nor “Never Trumpers,” having publicly criticized and praised him as warranted.
  • “We’re trying to be just. And not show partiality.” — Jeff (15:25)

3. Notable Quote Analysis: The “Never Again” Moment (17:00–18:00)

• Quote: “The American dream is unstoppable, and our country is on the verge of a comeback the likes of which the world has never witnessed and perhaps will never witness again.” — Donald Trump (17:00)
  • Panel commentary: Unhelpful to suggest good times only last while Trump is in office; a leader should cast vision beyond himself.
    • “When you’re wanting to inspire people...you don’t want to put a ceiling on that.” — Luke (13:05)

4. Decorum & Order: The Ejection of Rep. Al Green (20:12–21:32)

• Memorable moment: During Trump's address, Rep. Al Green is expelled after disruptive behavior.
  • “Mr. Green, take your seat. Remove this gentleman from the chamber.” — Congressional Authority (20:26)
• Christian Perspective: Importance of order vs. chaos, respect for office. “You have to show respect for those who are in authority.” — Jeff (21:33)

5. Executive Orders: The Temptation of “Kingly” Power (23:17–31:45)

• Trump claims: Over 100 executive orders and 400 actions in six weeks.
• Panel’s critique: Praise for actions aligning with Christian ethics (e.g., against transgender ideology), but warn against overreliance on executive fiat—dangerous precedent for any party.
  • “The American system was not created to give us another king.” — Jeff (26:11)
• Christian political philosophy: Checks and balances are rooted in a biblical understanding of human sinfulness. Laws must be made legislatively, not by decree.

6. Government & Waste: Biblical Roles of Civil Authority (32:00–46:00)

• Trump’s audit revelations: Billions spent on foreign (and sometimes bizarre) initiatives (e.g., “$8M for making mice transgender”), while neglecting American citizens.
  • “This is so deeply lamentable and such a disgrace that our money is going towards, you know, foreign interests that are laughable, really.” — Luke (38:27)
• Biblical framework: Government is for public justice and defense—not charity. Excess taxation and government “charity” undermine private/community benevolence and efficiency.
  • “The government’s role is justice... not charity.” — Jeff (41:32)
  • “When government tries to take the role of what is supposed to be private industry or private business, they always blow it.” — Jeff (44:57)

7. Honoring Victims & the Proper Use of Emotion (48:50–54:58)

• Trump’s executive actions honoring murder victims: Poignant segment about renaming a wildlife refuge after Jocelyn, a 12-year-old murdered by illegal immigrants.
  • “That was just such a blessing… What a good man. That was just a powerful, powerful thing.” — Jeff (51:59)
• Christian analysis: Emotional appeals are valid if tethered to righteous principles.
  • “If the main point in principle is righteous and good and true, you can appeal to the emotion that flows from it to get back to the principled issue.” — Jeff (52:13)
• Justice for victims: Labeling MS-13 and violent gangs as terrorist organizations is long overdue and biblically sound.
  • “To be brave enough to finally do what everyone said you should be doing the whole time.” — Jeff (54:59)

8. The Death Penalty & Biblical Justice (56:37–62:20)

• Trump’s mandatory death penalty for cop killers: An executive order with a call for legislative action.
  • Quote: “I’ve already signed an executive order requiring a mandatory death penalty for anyone who murders a police officer. And tonight I’m asking Congress to pass that policy into permanent law.” — Donald Trump (56:37)
• Panel viewpoint: God’s standard is impartial—the death penalty should be for all first-degree murders, not just for police officers.
  • “My life is as valuable as a police officer’s life. So if you kill me or him…it should be the death penalty.” — Jeff (59:11)
  • “It’s the conduct. Was this heinous disregard for human life?...Then that is a first degree offense and it’s capital punishment every time in God’s law.” — Luke (60:00)
• Law and order: Current societal decline is partly due to failure to enforce justice consistently; the biblical penalty deters evil (61:41).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Transparency Praise: “It feels like Trump is just--you’re sitting in his living room. And that’s what I actually like.” — Jeff (10:44)
• On Posturing: “The self-praise is always going to be excessive.” — Jeff (12:12)
• On Executive Action: “The American system was not created in such a way as to give us another king. We didn’t want another.” — Jeff (26:11)
• On Government Waste: “Here’s accountability for how these people are. I mean, this is treasonous handling of your money.” — Luke (39:01)
• On Biblical Government: “The government’s role is justice…not charity.” — Jeff (41:32)
• On the Death Penalty: “All our lives are worthy of that kind of protection.” — Jeff (59:51)
• Order vs. Chaos: “Order vs. chaos.” — Zach (22:33)
• On Institutional Decay: “They [the government] always blow it. They don’t do well with it.” — Jeff (44:57)

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Notable Timestamps by Topic

| Topic | Timestamp | |-------------------------------|-----------| | Team’s recent ministry efforts | 03:50–09:00 | | Transparency & leadership critique | 10:07–13:41 | | The “Never Again” Trump quote | 17:00–18:00 | | Decorum and Rep. Green’s ejection | 20:12–21:32 | | Executive orders and kingship | 23:17–31:45 | | Government waste/biblical roles | 32:00–46:00 | | Victim honor & emotional appeals | 48:50–54:58 | | Gangs as terrorist orgs | 54:37–54:58 | | Death penalty discussion | 56:37–62:20 |

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Tone & Style

The episode is bold, unfiltered, and pithy, mixing humor, straight talk, and deep theological reflection. The hosts speak as cultural watchdogs with a penchant for robust Christian worldview analysis, never shying from controversy or nuance.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode offers a rapid-fire, deeply thoughtful Christian critique of Trump’s approach, the limits of executive power, and the principles that should undergird righteous governance. It spotlights both praiseworthy actions and persistent flaws, always with an eye to scripture, history, and the cultural moment.

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Additional Segments (Condensed/Referenced)

• The impact of state-level abolition bills (03:50–06:03)
• Philosophical use of emotion in policy debates (52:13–53:39)
• The personal impact of crime and law enforcement shortages (62:45–64:42)

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Summary prepared for Apologia Radio listeners and those seeking an in-depth, timestamped digest of episode 514.

Transcript

[Luke the Bear]

Non Rockabotus must stop.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

I don't want to rock the boat.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I want to sink it. Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite? Delusional is okay. In your worldview, I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional, using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me. Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

[Zachary Conover]

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies, not to make brosephs.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Zachary Conover]

Don't go into the world and make homies. Disciples.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, Pastor.

[Luke the Bear]

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Take an amazing journey to a place.

[Zachary Conover]

That will blow your mind and move.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Your heart so you will never be the same again.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Now therefore, O kings, be wise, be warned. O rulers of the earth, serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the sun, lest he be angry and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. That's psalm chapter two. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the gospel heard around the world. This is Apologia Radio. You can get more as [e-mail] that's a P O L O G I A studios dot com. That's where you guys can go to get all the past episodes provoked. Shiologians cultish Apologia Radio, all that. Everything's there for your listening pleasure. Go also to apologiastudios.com for two things. Number one, sign up for all Access. When you partner with All Access, you guys get all the additional content. It is. There's tons there. The Academy is there. All the full episodes of Collision are there. Just so much there. New stuff has dropped from the Academy with Eliyala and also with Kenneth Gentry. More stuff is coming all the time. We do have an app that is underway right now. It is almost completed and so the app will be ready. You guys are gonna be able to access everything easily on your SM smartphone. Keep track of where you left off, all of that. So tons of stuff there. As a big thank you to everyone who's a part of this ministry with us. If you've seen something from Apologia Studios, whether it's on the street, debates, evangelism, teaching ministry, anything at all, that's all made possible because partners in ministry just like you do this ministry with us. And so everything's there including the after show which we're going to do today after today's show as well. And so you guys join us for live feed. You can also have the live feed with the Ask me anything once a month where you get together. We hang out together for about an hour or so and all that's there. Second thing you want to do is sign up for Bonson you@apologia studios.com it is completely for free and always, as always a big thank you to all of our all access partners because it's free for everybody because of you and all your partnership with us in ministry. But Bonson U is there. Dr. Greg Bonson, one of the greatest Christian apologists and philosophers I believe in the history of the entire Christian church. His life's work has been entrusted to us. Make sure we make it accessible to all of you. And so it is top tier theological seminary level education all for free with one of the best in Christian history. So Bonson, you don't neglect it, get it, get it on it. And you get all of his seminary lectures, you get his teaching from church. Just so much stuff. Is there too much even Talk about like 2000 some odd lectures and and debates and all that stuff. So that's that. That's Luke the Bear.

[Zachary Conover]

What up?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I'm Jeff the Common Ninja and that is Zachary Conover. Yo. He's a director of communications and abortion. Now we have jet lag and we're a little punchy today. Tired. We've had a very busy last week. I'll just give you guys an update for the. For those of you guys have been praying for us. As you guys know there's bills of abolition happening across the country. Many of those are bills that we have ourselves been able to get introduced in the states across the country. And so you guys know that I've been in Texas and Kentucky and Ohio and I was just in Georgia with Conover and with Carmen and we just got back yesterday around 1 o' clock or so we may. We thought we're gonna have to stay till like till today or something and we ended up being able to leave a little early and so I want to just encourage everyone please be praying for Georgia right now. What's happening there is historic in this Whole movement to establish justice for the pre born. It is truly historic. Uh two historic things that uh, came uh, uh from the. The work of an abortion. Now just quickly as a praise to God and for those of you guys have been praying and been part of a part of this with us. The first was the bill of abolition in Louisiana we did with Brian Gu. It was the first bill in abolitionist history that made it to the hearing and then got through the hearing to the floor. Historic moment. Praise the Lord for that. This next bill we have in Georgia, one of the bills that are going on right now. This particular bill has more co sponsors on the bill than any bill in abolitionist history. About 25%, close to 25% of the house of Representatives are already co signers on the bill itself. That is supposed to get a hearing any day. And we need you guys to keep calling as you have been to the legislature, House of Representatives in Georgia. Let them know that you want HB441 to be heard as soon as possible. Do it graciously, do it prayerfully and do it also with boldness as well to them. And so that's what's going on and it's been a busy week. We gotta spend a lot of time talking to legislators and we did a rally on Monday with Josh Bice, with G3, Virgil Walker, Jason Storms, Brian Gunter and and others. And so it's just an amazing thing happening right now in Georgia. We're getting closer and closer to justice for the pre born. And there you go, there's the opening. So how's everyone doing?

[Zachary Conover]

Georgia.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

How's it Georgia?

[Luke the Bear]

My caffeine here.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Georgia. That's right. When surviving off of this little beauty right here.

[Luke the Bear]

Caffeine and nad.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's right. That's right. The net. We'll just go and tell you right now. How. How have we been surviving?

[Luke the Bear]

Sorry. There's no telling what you're going to get.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Have we've been surviving? It's been for me anyways. Your mate and nad. That's true.

[Luke the Bear]

Amazing how influential the yerba consumption has been to Christians in other states.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It has.

[Luke the Bear]

We had multiple Christians be like what's in the water? Nay, what's in the yerba?

[Zachary Conover]

They joined the coal people were walking.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Around Georgia the rally. I saw him. Hey Pastor Jeff, you like it? What's your favorite flavor?

[Zachary Conover]

Did they have you sign their bottles?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

No, I haven't done that. No.

[Luke the Bear]

But there were some interesting it around.

[Zachary Conover]

Now you're going to get that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Please sign a European bottle. And so I've been surviving off the old nad. As we always say, everybody coffee. Google NAD benefits. You can look at just a ton of benefits. You can see NAD benefits for the brain, NAD benefits for the heart, for your liver. You can do NAD benefits for your cells and all, all that stuff. Do it. NAD benefits. Google. It's fantastic. It's called, it's nicknamed the, the fountain of youth. You have tons of it when you're young and you start to lose it as you get older and it's depleted. So people a lot of times do the NAD IV treatments. But as I've always said as we talk about NAD here on the show, it's extremely painful. Just Google that as well. It's very painful to do it through iv.

[Zachary Conover]

You definitely made it look more painful the way you demonstrated it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Did I? And when I say painful, I'm not talking about just the stick. I mean like it's like a real hard process. For some reason. You get NAD into your system and it is like you have an elephant on your chest. You feel sick to your stomach but when they take it out, you feel like you can run through a wall. It's amazing. So anyway, so we do ion layers, patches. It's a medical patch. It goes into your over 14 hours. No pain. No pain. And it goes through your system. High, high dosage of nad. If you were to do it, the dosage you have in one treatment with, with the NAD patches, you get six of them. The dosage like 500 would cost you somewhere between 750 and a thousand dollars IV. And so it is just like they do this for so much less. So it with that, how are we surviving? This stuff is great. If you are sleep deprived, jet lagged, all that stuff, it helps to keep you focused. It's good. So ionlayer.com they partner with us in ministry. Ionlayer.com ion layer.com put apologia and all caps in the coupon code. They hook you up with a discount and they partner with us in this ministry. And I'm doing it anyway. So whether I'd be talking about it on apology or radio or not, I'm doing it. My wife's doing it. We're, we're blessed by it. So here we go. This while we were in Georgia, you.

[Luke the Bear]

Can'T, can't do it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Can't do without it. Actually when I'm in Georgia for these trips, I like to play that song just because it makes me happy. So we were in Georgia. I do actually.

[Luke the Bear]

That's the only word he knows in the song, actually.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So, yeah. Is it. Is it really the only.

[Zachary Conover]

Probably right now.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right now, if you pressure me, my mind will go blank. And so right now, that's all that's ringing in my head right now.

[Zachary Conover]

Georgia, is there a remix version you play?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I probably could find a trans version.

[Luke the Bear]

A trans version, not a trans version.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's right, yeah. Trans with a seat. Trans. You have to say it like your transgender trance. Anyway, so we were in Georgia, and we got to listen to the joint session before Congress with President Donald Trump. And you guys have already seen it. So today we thought we'd have some fun and provide some commentary because it's just epic and. And it is fun. It is. It is a lot of fun. I. I was listening to it yesterday when we were getting ready for the plane to come back home, and so I'm, you know, getting ready, and it's just playing in the hotel room, and. And I just remember how many times I just stopped and I was like, man, this is so entertaining. This is so fun to listen to. And I couldn't believe the bombs that President Trump was dropping. So all of them with this all up and with this and you guys.

[Luke the Bear]

Background of reality TV helped with that at all?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I think maybe. So there's.

[Zachary Conover]

I think that's just him, though.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Well, I would say. Okay, we. We talked about the bit in the car, but I'll say it to you, and I'd like to hear what you have to say about this as well. So what I was thinking as I was listening to it, and I wonder how you guys feel out there who are watching this live. I felt a couple. A couple ways about it. The first way is I thought this is really, really refreshing, and it's never been seen before. And what I mean by that, one aspect of the refreshing nature of it all is it feels like Trump is just. You're sitting in his living room. And that's what I actually like.

[Luke the Bear]

Transparency.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

The transparency. I really, really like that he's not. He's not sort of pretending and behind a wall with the American people. He says what's on his mind. He says what everybody's thinking and what everyone knows needs to be said. He's super transparent. He's not pretentious in that way. He. He just lets people know this is what's up. This is what this guy said to me, and here's what I'm gonna say back to him. And he's saying that in front of everybody in the American public. They all can go, okay, I know what the guy's thinking. And, and I think everyone could pretty much say, look, we're not. There's no messiah complex with us in terms of thinking of Trump, but he does have a record of actually keeping his promises.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And if he's a man of his word, says he's going to do something, he does it. And if he says he believes something, then he pretty much does. And I think, you know, you say, well, in the issue of abortion, he's waffled. Yeah. Because he was always waffling on that. Like, you know, and everyone's inconsistent in a pro life establishment on that. So I'm not saying the man's perfect or anything, but, like, you can pretty much depend on the fact that if he says he's going to do something, he's going to do it.

[Luke the Bear]

So you know what you're going to get.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. So I appreciated that aspect. I was like, this has never been done before where, like he's at a joint session of Congress and he's just talking to everybody like we're all on the same level. And I really appreciated that. Like, I like that a lot. The one thing that I don't like, and it is always, it, it always is jarring to me and I don't like it. And it's just, just, you know, it's, it's the constant self praise.

[Luke the Bear]

Unfettered hubris.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

Nebuchadnezzar.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Like, yeah. It's the constant self prai. The point where it's like, okay, this is getting excessive. And it was, and it was, it's the self price is always going to be excessive. But it was to this, this point I was like, and we talked about this in the car. Everything he talks about is it's the best it's ever been. No one's ever seen numbers like this. No one's ever seen something like this happen before. This is unprecedented. And no one's ever seen this ever before. Maybe in history. That's, that's always a thing of his. But he said yesterday in the or, when I was watching it, the joint session, he actually said something. I was like, hey, pullback, bro. That wasn't helpful or encouraging. He said like something he was talking about near the beginning was like, it's never been like this before. No one's ever seen this before and probably ever again. I was like, well, that. So nobody wants that, right? Nobody wants the never again. Like, we don't want. Just. He's like, guys, this can be four years of the best. And then you're never going to see it again.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, we talked about that. Like, as a leader, like, when you're wanting to inspire people to look towards the future, you don't want to put a ceiling on that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, you want to say, and also after I'm gone, it will get even better.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, in other words, this doesn't center on me.

[Zachary Conover]

Poor JD's back there. Like, hey, what, What, What?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

What about me?

[Luke the Bear]

Right.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Right. Casting that positive vision. Like, no, we're going to reach new heights. We're going to go on to greater, you know, glory. It's like, nope, Actually, when I'm gone, this thing dies with me, you know.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

You had me nothing. Four years.

[Zachary Conover]

Last four years, it was by far the most enjoyable State of the Union address I've ever watched.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, by far, for sure.

[Luke the Bear]

But that's the thing we're talking about is, like, the transparency. Like, we talked about this with the Zelensky interview, too.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, the fact that we would never probably, if he wasn't in the office, actually see these things take place.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, we would see the ceremony and the formality and the handshakes and the introduction, but you never actually see the content of the interaction.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And then, yeah, they'd kick the reporters out to have, like, the real meat. He's like, keep it rolling. Yeah, let's let everyone see this.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

So that is refreshing.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's very.

[Luke the Bear]

Because it's like, people are now brought into this at a level that we just haven't been before, and there is some joy over that kind of transparency.

[Zachary Conover]

So I'll, I'll just say, because I'm reading the comments here, we just, you know, whenever you bring up Trump, we can't win or lose. Like, there's always somebody. If we praise Trump, it's like, I can only lose. You shouldn't be pray, you know, or if we go after him, then you got the Trumpers that, you know, want to come after you. It's like, look, anybody that's listened to us for more than today knows that if Trump does something, like, not biblical, we're going to call him out on it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, we take a lot of heat for that.

[Zachary Conover]

If he does something that's great and should be praised, we're going to. Like, we're not just pro Trumper sitting in here. So all y' all in the comments section can just take a gel pill.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Actually, just for those of you guys maybe are new to Apologia Radio, you should know that in 2016, we took a lot of heat or 15, 2015. During the campaign year, we took a lot of heat because we were in constant state of criticism of Trump and not sure and not confident he was going to say or do what he said. And, you know, because I grew up with Trump, like, as a kid and television and knowing all about him, and I was like, he's like, a leftist, a liberal. Like, everyone knows that. And so I was very cautious, very skeptical. And so we got a lot of trouble because we were saying we don't know, and is he going to be consistent? And all of that. And then other moments were like, hey, this is a praiseworthy thing. Thank God for that. And so we're kind of trying to be just. Just. And not show partiality.

[Luke the Bear]

Criticized him during his. This last presidential run, too.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

For his influence on abortion policy and all that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

Minutes ago you criticized him.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, I did just criticize him. Yeah. And we say super positive things about the guy as well. So we're. We're thankful where we need to be, and we're also cautious where we need to be. Does that help? I hope we can live balance.

[Luke the Bear]

I hope it's balanced.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I hope we live in a balanced way, and we show that we're not showing partiality or ignoring the bad stuff and. Or the good stuff. All right, so we're gonna jump right into it, guys. So this one. Oh, by the way, thanks, man, for putting the time stamps together, man. Got it. I was too tired to touch it. Yep.

[Luke the Bear]

Hope that was helpful.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Very helpful. And this is how. This is how Zach titled this clip. Homeboy in the front gets tossed.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Just true. That's.

[Luke the Bear]

That's a homeboy. Just to clear. Al Green, I think is his name.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes. Okay.

[Zachary Conover]

I've never seen.

[Luke the Bear]

Congressman from Texas.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Democratic.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah, I've literally never seen this happen. I don't. Maybe it has, but I've never seen someone actually.

[Luke the Bear]

Well, he got a warning. He got a warning.

[Zachary Conover]

No, I know, but I'm just saying.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I've never seen two warnings, maybe three.

[Zachary Conover]

No, it was. It was quick. It was. I appreciate that. You know? Yeah, he's like, you get a warning. Okay, you're out.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Let's play it. Let's let everyone see it. Okay. And we're all telling everyone about it, but not showing it.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

And the American dream is surging bigger and better than ever before. The American dream is unstoppable, and our country is on the verge of a comeback the likes of which the world has never witnessed and perhaps will never witness again.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

There's never been anything like that.

[Luke the Bear]

That's what you were referring to?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's what I was referring to. By the way. Is it here? I got it at eight minutes and.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, it's coming.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Okay. Zach gave a lot of lead way. That was what I'm talking about. How's that, how's that helpful? I don't think that's. That's a good thing to say as a leader. You're never going to see this again.

[Luke the Bear]

I mean, if what you mean is we were kind of on the brink of something really bad.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

And now this recovery will likely correct ways and, you know, correct things in ways that we.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah, maybe he meant like a correction.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's kind of giving him the very, the gracious Christian benefit of the doubt. In a sense, that's the right thing.

[Luke the Bear]

We were staring down the barrel of something pretty awful.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Yeah, it was bad.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

The presidential election of November 5 was a mandate like has not been seen in many decades. We won all seven swing states, giving us an electoral college victory of 312 votes. We won the popular vote by big numbers and won counties in our country.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

USA.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

USA and one counties in our country. 2,700 to 525 on a map that reads almost completely red for Republican. Now, for the first time in modern history, more Americans believe that our country is headed in the right direction than the wrong direction. In fact, it's an astonishing record 27 point swing, the most ever. Likewise, small business optimism saw its single largest one month gain ever recorded, a 41 point jump.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Members are directed to uphold and maintain decorum in the House and to cease any further disruptions.

[Zachary Conover]

That's your warning.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Members are engaging in willful and continuing breach of decorum. And the chair is prepared to direct the Sergeant at Arms to restore order to the joint session. Mr. Green, take your seat. Take your seat, sir. Take your seat. Finding that members continue to engage in willful and concerted disruption of proper decorum, the chair now directs the Sergeant at Arms to restore order. Remove this gentleman from the chamber.

[Luke the Bear]

So you're right there. There were several warnings before they actually checked them.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

If only Mike Johnson would have been that courageous in Louisiana.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, it's. It's difficult. It's difficult. Man I know the man loves the Lord and he's a brother in Christ and you know we love him, love him in Jesus name. But it is, it is always challenging seeing Mike Johnson, the man who killed the bill of abolition in the state of Louisiana, one of the men, but one of the most primary, one of the most primarily responsible for killing the bill in Louisiana. So, yeah, obviously that's a, that's a crazy moment. I mean, when has that been seen before in recent history at least. But I think, you know, I, I guess what could you add to this in terms of the Christian worldview is that when you have a moment like this, you know, you have to show respect for those who are in authority. That's the presidential position. You can't during a joint session like this where the rule is you're there to listen to the president, the United States of America, and then the people of the United States of America voted into office. You're not supposed to be disruptive and disrespectful like that. There's like, there's a time and a place to, to speak.

[Zachary Conover]

Order versus chaos.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

There you go. Christian. Order versus chaos. Yeah. So that wasn't his moment. He can have a debate publicly and in the public square, but not in that moment. It's disrespectful to, to speak over the president during a presidential address like that. It's just according to Christian standards. You don't do it right.

[Luke the Bear]

Well, it shows honor for the office, even if you disagree with what's being said. Like, even that appeal to like, decorum, which is like, you know, good taste, propriety. You know, the idea of there being some, some type of standard that everyone's held to. Right. This is the kind of standard of conduct that's expected for this right now. And then he apparently broached that one one too many times and was asked to has to leave.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So let's talk about this. This is the him talking about the executive orders, which is a good conversation.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

To have more than 400 executive actions, a record to restore common sense, safety.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He said 100 executive orders. 400 executive actions. That's what he said.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

The mism and wealth all across our wonderful land. The people elected me to do the job and I'm doing it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So I'd like to just pause there for just a tick and ask this question. If this was a Democratic president, hardcore leftist, communist, liberal woke president, and he is opening up six weeks in a joint session of Congress. And he said, I have done 100 executive orders and 400 executive actions over the last six weeks. Would that make us all feel a little squeamish? And I think that's an important thing to talk about. When the founders of this nation were establishing the system of government, they had inherited an idea of government from Christian history. And how do you do checks and balances? How do you safeguard against tyranny, those sorts of things. Now remember that the people who were part, were responsible for establishing this system of governments had inherited a tradition behind them of English common law. They had dealt with kings and tyrannical kings. You've got the Covenanter tradition behind them and you also have the Huguenots that were behind them. They're quoting from these people copiously in the founding documents and things like that. So they had inherited all of that great Christian tradition and understanding of, well, this was bad, this was good. This was in line with scripture, is not this. This tends towards lawlessness. This would be better for us. And so they had, you know, different spheres of government within the government. Right? So you've got the House of Representatives, you've got the Senate, you've got the Pres. The executive branch presidential. You also got the judicial brands branch. And the reason they did that, as Doug Wilson likes to say, and when they talk about having a constitution and separating power and those sorts of things, is they recognize from the Christian worldview that men are not angels.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, they're inherent. They're sinful by name.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And because men are not angels, a constitution is necessary. And they wanted to have checks and balances and to be able to put power in check. And so what they had just gotten away from, and I remember the, the Revolutionary War, the War for Independence, what they had just gotten away from was a tyranny of King George. And so what they did not want with the colonies and forming this, this great union, what they didn't want is they didn't want another king. Now that's for dang sure. The American system was not created in such a way as to give us another king. We had just gotten away from the tyranny of one. We didn't want another one. All right? And so the president, that position of the presidency, the executive branch was not meant to be a king with the kind of dictatorial or decreeing authority of a king. And so when you get into this thing of executive orders and executive actions, like, you got to be really careful because now, granted, all of us will say something on this. Hey, praise God, like he had an order against, you know, men playing in women's sports. Like, that's what we all wanted, isn't it? Like that's, that's disgusting and it's wrong and it's immoral. So thank God we have a president standing up and doing something about it. Here's the thing, though. We have to actually have a standard that works in principle across every administration. And what you don't want is the next guy coming in maybe eight years from now or four years from now or 12 years from now. That's like this radical, leftist, communist, socialist, just, yeah, evil, evil guy governing by his own decrees and coming in with the next set of decrees saying, hey, everybody, I just did 150 more than ever, executive orders and a bunch of executive actions. And everyone on the Democratic side is like, applauding and everyone over on our side, or that's a. The conservative side. You know, I'm not saying Republicans, because Republicans are, you know, just as bad as Democrats these days, many of them. But, you know, we're not applauding. And that's because we don't want a king that can just give decrees. We want, we want law and order and we want checks and balances. You want the legislative branch to be able to create law, legislation, and you don't want the president of this country acting like a king or having the power of a king. So there's ways to do this sort of a thing. Like the president can give a, a standard from the executive branch. Here is what I'm saying about boys and women's sports and making a huge statement and encouraging lawmakers to get themselves in line and say, we're going to create law. Or the states can say, we're going to follow the president there on that executive declaration or proclamation. Like, that's where you create law. And that's a better way to do it because you're actually now not allowing tyranny just to fall. But you're saying, no, this has to be voted on by representatives of the people. We make this a law. And there's checks and balances in case people go wild with this.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, that's a republic.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's a republic. And it's a way to make sure that you can, you can mitigate against disasters. Now, here's the thing, because it's a fallen world, there's no way to have a perfect government system that's going to mitigate against every sinful disaster. But at least this, it works as a calling effect, right, for it. But to say, no, no, hold on now. It's got to pass through this chamber. It's got to pass through this chamber. You got to make sure this is representative of the American people and, and the republic itself, and that this is in accordance with the laws of the nations. And so again, I just want to say, yeah, I'm super sympathetic and say praise the Lord, like, you know, it's good to have A president that's saying transgenderism ideology is evil and it can't be taught to kids, and you can't mutilate children's bodies. And we should be telling every child that they are born in the right body. God made them in. Hey, praise the Lord. Yeah, praise the Lord for that.

[Luke the Bear]

It's true.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

But we need to make it. We need to make laws, actual laws, because here's the thing. Because of the constitutional republic we have, this stuff can all be fought in court, you know, pretty easily. It will be and overcome. Like, if you want it to have a sticking effect, it's got to come through the, the line that the Christians in history developed to make sure it takes effect because they were trying to avoid tyranny of whatever kind. And so if you want it to stick, you got to do it the lawful way and not the way of just a decree.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah, well, in the example you gave of a liberal coming in and doing that just happened four years ago.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, right.

[Zachary Conover]

That very same thing, which, you know, Trump has tried to overturn. So it has been challenging because he's done a lot of really good things that were like, praise the Lord, you're striking down evil where it needs to be struck down.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Down.

[Zachary Conover]

Now, there are some checks and balances. Right. But this is where it's going to get interesting because, yes, a lot of this needs to be put into law. And so now when the conservatives control the House and Senate, you have that opportunity to pass those laws and codify those executive orders into. Into law, you know, which is what we saw happening again in the, in the resident Biden regime. And so, but like, we already, like, just, we saw today, the Supreme Court already ruled against Trump shutting down usaid.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

You know, so these things are. Are going to be going to court. So there is some form of checks and balances, but it's not perfect, like you're saying. And so we need, it needs to go through those processes in order to make them legitimate and, and not be.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Tyranny, because he, the president can use his position in a Christian way by having very strong leadership and influence over the states to say, here's the proclamation from the desk of the President of these United States. Here's my proclamation on transgenderism. Here's my proclamation on WOKE ideology and all, all down the line. And I encourage all the states to create legislation that is in accordance with these proclamations. That is a fantastic way to do it. It accomplishes essentially the same thing, and it actually encourages people to actually create legislation around it, rather than just saying, well, we got an executive order. Well, executive orders, like, are not. They don't have the force of law. Right. You know, and so that, my point is, is not just not to overly criticize. It's just to say there's a better way to do this to make sure it actually sticks.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Because I don't want four years from now, the next guy coming in and just rolling over everybody with the same kind of executive orders and decrees, and then we're going, dang it, we're all stuck with this because, well, no one, you know, everyone just sort of followed along with us. It's like, that's not how our government is supposed to work.

[Zachary Conover]

Don't stop here. Keep going.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. This one. This one I love. Now, do you guys see the signs? I. I was like, yeah, I. Can you guys back that up? I don't understand why you think you're allowed to get away with saying that. Like, putting up signs, say, like, Elon steals or Musk steals.

[Zachary Conover]

I didn't even see that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I was like, they had.

[Luke the Bear]

They look at little paddles.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Raise them up at different points.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's actually slander. Like, you're making an accusation publicly in the public square.

[Luke the Bear]

That's a good point.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

As a government official, like, I think Elon has the right to even sue you. You. He can sue you for that. Right. I would think you can need to.

[Zachary Conover]

He has the money to do it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Defamation at that level before the. The public and by government officials, that's pretty significant defamation because, like, okay, I'll bite. I steal. Okay. What did I steal? Prove that I still stole. What? So they don't like him checking and doing an audit, which is normal for business. Doing an audit for businesses.

[Luke the Bear]

Right.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And so they're accusing him of stealing. Now, here was the moment.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Efficiency. Go. Perhaps you've heard of it. Perhaps. Which is headed by Elon Musk, who is in the gallery tonight.

[Zachary Conover]

I know. I know what you're going to say.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

He's working very hard. He didn't need this. He didn't need this. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Everybody here, even this side, appreciates it. I believe they just don't want to admit that. Just listen to some of the appalling waste.

[Luke the Bear]

Can we say something real fast?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

You have already identified, I'm sure, that.

[Luke the Bear]

This was designed in some part by Trump, that when they're talking about and bringing in all of these figures, you know, he's telling stories about. You know, he's telling Lake and Ryland's story. Lake and Riley's story. He's telling a story about Jocelyn, the 12 year old girl, the firefighter, the child with brain cancer that overcome. And they gave him the Secret Service badge. All of that, like all of these things get brought up and then the camera inside of the place, every time it pans to the whole room and especially towards the Democratic side, and they're just sitting there just like that. Like cold blooded Warren with the, you know, the phone out.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Cold blooded.

[Luke the Bear]

You had to. You have to believe that that was planned.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

But there was strategy going into. Okay, how can we show that these people. I just don't get the feeling that Trump is overly bipartisan or wanting to. Where he's wanting to highlight. Like, these people are so monstrous in their conduct and their ethics and their moral compass that they won't even cheer for this child that beat brain cancer.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Look at these people.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

These people are miserable and cruel.

[Luke the Bear]

Right.

[Zachary Conover]

And I'm okay with them showing that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I think you're right. It's totally calculated. But this, of course, was. Did you see.

[Zachary Conover]

Sorry, did you see? Elon was being very careful with his hands this time. He's.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, he was not doing the thing.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He wasn't going to be like, hearts out to you guys.

[Luke the Bear]

Very hearts out to you guys.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He's like, he even.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah, he said on the Rogan show, he's like, I can't do my hand or horizontally anymore. I can go like this or I can go up.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

But I can't do.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I have to be careful even waving because someone's gonna put that in a snapshot like this. Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Get it again.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

$2 billion from HHS to provide free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity and inclusion scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI plus in the African nation of Lesotho, which nobody has ever heard of. $60 million for indigenous people.

[Zachary Conover]

Is that a real nation?

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Pro Colombian empowerment in Central America. $60 million. $8 million for making mice transgender. This is real. $32 million for a left wing propaganda operation in Moldova. $10 million for male circumcision in. In Mozambique. $20 million for the Arab Sesame street in the Middle East. It's a program. $20 million for a program. $1.9 billion to recently created Decarbonization of Homes Committee headed up. And we know she's involved Just at the last moment, the money was passed over by a woman named Stacey Abrams. Have you ever heard of her? A $3.5 million consulting contract for lavish fish monitoring. $1.5 million for voter confidence in Liberia. $14 million for social cohesion in Mali. $59 million for illegal alien hotel rooms in New York City. City. He's a real estate developer. He's done very well. $250,000 to increase vegan local climate action innovation in Zambia. $42 million for social and behavior change in Uganda. $14 million for improving public procurement in Serbia. $47 million for improving learning outcomes in. In Asia. Asia is doing very well with learning.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

You know what, that's a good point. It's like we're giving our money to the Asian community who is like, smoking the world in that because it's just their culture is so, so strong and focused in upon that. That's a good point. What are we paying them for?

[Luke the Bear]

I know we laugh at this, but, man, this is so deeply lamentable and such a disgrace that our money is going towards, you know, foreign interests that are laughable, really. I mean, you're talking about Sesame street programs. I mean, I think this is one of the things that's so attractive about Trump for the majority of people is just the prioritization of American interests. Again, like, that's what an earthly leader should do. Like, that's what a civil official should be committed to upholding is the good of the people that he represents.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Luke the Bear]

Like the common good. And to hear a leader not only give a laundry list of like, okay, here's how your money's being spent, here's accountability for how these people are. I mean, this is treasonous handling of your money.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, for sure.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, they deserve the crime, the charge of treason for what they've done, how they have stolen from you.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's theft.

[Luke the Bear]

But here's the accountability. And then here we are, hopefully going to be putting these things back to American interests and prioritizing the good of the people again.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. How do you put the ax to the root in something like this? You think through it through a biblical lens of a biblical worldview with the word of God and the standards that scripture sets up for government and governmental offices. And what are they supposed to be doing? Well, in Scripture, like, there's a really well defined role of civil government in scripture. It's its own sphere. The church has a sphere. There's, you know, sphere sovereignty. You know, church under God, a state under God. But when scripture defines the Role of the state. It actually is a very, very small, supposed to be efficient thing that has particular focus, laser focus on the duties. Like what are the duties is to punish evil and to protect and reward the righteous. And then you think about the issues of justice. So like justice within the community. So if there are victims in the community, the government steps in to say, okay, let's take care of victims rights, let's punish the evil.

[Luke the Bear]

Ministry of Public Justice.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's a ministry of public justice. And then also the government's role is to organize for national defense.

[Zachary Conover]

Yes.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And so you want to protect your citizens. And so the government has a role of military to protect people and defend people. And so what you do not have at all in scripture is the role of the government. And in any of these things. And see that's you say like how do you put the axe to the root? Well, you should go to scripture to say how does God define the role of government? And then keep the restrictions there. And so we talk about like a government that's like 30 some odd trillion dollars in debt. And that's just an unfathomable number to be able to actually think through with dollars. It's, it's just insane. And you go, how do we get here? What's like waste and the spending that's out of control. But also you have a government that's doing things that are forbidden by God and his word. You're not supposed to, in that. That's not your role of government. You're not supposed to be part of that. The government is not supposed to be a charity organization. That's my point. So scripture makes the, the role of the church and the individual to be the charitable organizations. The government's role is public justice. It is not charity. The government's role is justice. Right. And so the, the charity and the missions, they're the ones over here in the private citizens and the church organizations and all that. And guess what? What if you'd stop excessively taxing the, the, the communities that, that you're overseeing. If you stop excessively taxing them and taxing them via coercive taxation and abusive taxation, then there's more dollars in the community to spend, to purchase, to create more businesses, more buying power and wealth, long term wealth and generational wealth. But also if you have a system where you are not excessively taxing your community, they have more money to be able to be more charitable and to be more giving. And by the way, can I just say this, the churches do the charity better than the government does. Right. Like when the government had to take care of what was happening in North Carolina recently. Here's a question to ask. Who was doing better and would ultimately do better? If we understood that that's our responsibility, not government's response. Responsibility. It would be private organizations and churches and individuals that would do much better at CAR for people who have been harmed by natural disasters or whatever's taken effect. We do it better. Businesses do it better. Individuals do it better, churches do it better. Charity is done better when it's private. The government falls down when they are now asked to be basically a business or a charity organization. They can't do it because they're not supposed to be doing it well.

[Luke the Bear]

Their tool is the sword.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

So when they try to use the sword to give mercy, it doesn't work.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Okay, I'll give you two. Look, look, this is perfect. So everyone can see this. And I know you all see it already, and you probably gave me 10 more examples than I can right now. I'm too punchy to through them. But. But two, two examples. Number one, the government takes the role of business with the post office. Yeah. How they doing?

[Luke the Bear]

Better or worse?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

How they doing? Everyone knows, like, if I'm going to do this, I do it through the private organization because they have a. They have an incentive to do well. Right. Like if we do well, we profit more, we all get paid more, and we stay in business, we stay alive. And so whether, whatever the private organization is that does the mail, they're going to want to do it better because they want to compete. They want to be the best in the industry. They want everyone to give them their dollars. And they want. So they're like, we got to be faster, more efficient and better, more reliable than all the other organizations. But what benefit, sorry, what incentive does the post office have? They're getting paid anyways. Right? They're getting paid anyways. And so everyone knows, like, don't give it to the post office, baby. If you want that thing to make it it, you give it to a private organization. So that's, that's the first, the second, that's proof. You don't give these things to government agencies. Give them the private agencies and they'll do far better. If you had the choice in Arizona, if you have the choice to do your driver's license testing, to get your driver's license, or to do anything necessary with motor vehicle stuff, would you want to go to the DMV or the mvd or would you want to go to one of the third party, privately owned agencies. And I will tell you right now, the last time I went to the dmv, I sat there for nearly five hours.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, that's the trade off is you get in quicker with third parties. It's a little more.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. But nearly five hours I sat there because I had to get a new license and took almost five hours to just simply get a new license. Because I could tell you right now, ain't nobody there, any kind of hurry whatsoever. It didn't matter. There's no incentive. It doesn't matter, matter. But I'll tell you what, because I got kids, you know, and so I got older kids getting their licenses doing license testing and that's coming for you soon too. And well, now you know, you've heard it from me. You go to one of these third party places, you. Oh God, great. You have a. Sorry, we have a. We have a coffee place next to us, the roast Coffee. And, and they just bring in all the cockroaches. And so anyway, but third party, I took Sailor and Stellar to a third party place. We were, we were. They were in their vehicle doing the driver's test within 10 minutes of walking in the door, that's how fast. And then getting the license after that, like that. And, and that's crazy because you can't do that at the dmv. That's an all day thing. My point is, is when government tries to take the role of what is supposed to be private industry or private business, they always blow it. They don't do well with it. And so this nonsense is finally caught. Here's the point. It's like someone finally did an audit and goes, hey, are we spending money like we're supposed to? And first of all, you weren't in the first place, none of these things. But then someone finally did an audit, which proves something, is that this stuff's been going on for so long, unchecked and unfettered, that these, these clowns thought, we're going to be able to get away with this in perpetuity. No one's ever going to catch us. We'll be able to do contracts, make millions of dollars and do stuff under the table. No one's ever going to catch us because no one's looking. And then lo and behold, Donald Trump and Elon Musk step in and they go, we're going to take a look. And now speaking of cockroaches, all the cockroaches are starting to scatter. Now.

[Zachary Conover]

See what I did there? I was intentional yes.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. I'm not even saying that providential, that cockroach.

[Luke the Bear]

Like, it's not even saying, like you said, the state shouldn't be in charge of the charity aspect. But in this case, too, it's not even like that money was going to American citizens. They were giving it to foreign. They were going to illegal immigrants and taking care of their needs. Prioritizing that before American people.

[Zachary Conover]

Well, let's be honest. No, they weren't either. This is all just money laundering. You know, this is just a way to stash money in there. And people are getting paid for them. Oh, for sure.

[Luke the Bear]

They're the ones getting paid.

[Zachary Conover]

I was just listening to Elon on the Rogan podcast and he was talking a lot about this and just, he's like, he said this is the. The most elaborate scam ever in history and the most expensive scam. And I mean, he, he's obviously seen where a lot of this stuff's going. It's. It's.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, well, he, he said on the Rogan podcast, like we were just talking about, he's afraid to say what he knows because he does. He's. He's gonna. He's like, they're gonna kill me. Yeah, like what he's already uncovered. He said he's afraid to even say it out loud because he says, they're gonna kill me and I don't want to die. Like, they're gonna kill me. And so he's being very careful of what he says because there's stuff that we can know right now, but there's stuff where Elon Musk is like, I don't know if I want to die for this.

[Luke the Bear]

Right.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And which, you know, I get it. I mean, these people are, are evil, depraved. And he's like, they're just. They're just going to kill me. And they do. They have. There's a long history in the same conspiracy theory. When you are somebody that is a threat to them, they.

[Luke the Bear]

Especially now that they've shown the light on all this, too.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Who's this nutter? Is that a transgender?

[Luke the Bear]

I. I have no idea.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

What's the purple haired person right there? I didn't see that, though.

[Zachary Conover]

Just know.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm being serious. Is that.

[Zachary Conover]

I really don't know who that is.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I don't know. Maybe someone know in the comments knows I can. I don't know. All right, here we go. Let's play some more.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Thank you. Joe Biden didn't just open our borders he flew illegal aliens over them to overwhelm our schools, hospitals and communities throughout the country. Entire towns like Aurora, Colorado and Springfield, Ohio, buckled under the weight of the migrant occupation and corruption like nobody's ever seen seen before. Beautiful towns destroyed. Now, just as I promised in my inaugural address, we are achieving the great liberation of America. But there still is much work to be done. Here tonight is a woman, woman I have gotten to know, Alexis Nungare from Houston. Wonderful woman. Last June, Alexis's 12 year old daughter, her precious Jocelyn, walked to a nearby convenience store. She was kidnapped, tied up, assaulted for two hours under a bridge and horrifically murdered. Arrested and charged with this heinous crime are two illegal alien monsters from Venezuela released into America by the last administration through their ridiculous open border. The death of this beautiful 12 year old girl and the agony of her mother and family touched our entire nation greatly. Alexis, I promised that we would always remember your daughter, your magnificent daughter. And earlier tonight, I signed an order keeping my word to you. One thing I have learned about Jocelyn is that she loved animals so much. She loved nature. Across Galveston Bay from where Jocelyn lived in Houston, you will find a magnificent national wildlife refuge. A pristine, peaceful, 34,000 acre sanctuary for all of God's creatures on the edge of the, the Gulf of America. Alexis, moments ago I formally renamed that refuge in loving memory of your beautiful daughter, Jocelyn. So, Mr. Vice President, if you would, may I have the order? Thank you very much. All three savages charged with Jocelyn and Lakins murders were members of the Venezuelan prison gang, the toughest gang.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, let's stop there for a second before we get into the next thought. Man, that was powerful. We talked about Jocelyn on the program when it happened, that that story has moved me greatly. Having, you know, young daughters, that is just, I can't even imagine the, I can't even fathom the pain that that woman has gone through. And so that was just such a blessing. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful thing for Trump to do. What a good man. What a, what a good man. That was just a powerful, powerful thing. And you know, can we just talk about this for a second? People that simply use emotional arguments, you have to be cautious with that because the left is using used emotional arguments to distract people from the principled issues. And so you have to be cautious using emotional arguments. However, from a Christian worldview, if the main point in principle is righteous and good and true, you can appeal to the emotion that flows from it to get back to the principled issue, like tug on the heart of the image bearer of God to look at the standard. Right. So like it's okay to use, I believe it's, it's appropriate and necessary to use emotional argument when the emotion is connected to a God given principle and standard. That's right and true. Right. So deal with the emotions, use them to get people to look at the principle and go, this is right. So in this case, I think this, everyone should acknowledge this. When President Trump points to Lake and Riley.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And Jocelyn and points to the evil that happened to them to get everyone to notice the thing that's wrong that we're doing in terms of like the open borders and letting criminals in and all these different things and letting violent people amongst your citizens. It's a right thing to appeal to. It's right to, to say, hey, stop the circus, stop the games. There are real people who are being murdered and there's victims here. We have to do what's right here. So it is, it is appropriate, fully appropriate to appeal to Jocelyn's murder.

[Luke the Bear]

I think it makes it even more appropriate too that after he honored her, just after this, he says these people were members of the violent Venezuelan gangs. And now to show that we are concerned not only with honoring your daughter, but also we are interested in the pursuit of justice, we've labeled these dangerous gangs a terrorist organization. Because under our watch, it'll never happen again.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Let's play that. Here we go.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

In the world known as trendy Iraqwa. Two weeks ago, I officially designated this gang, along with MS.13 and the bloodthirsty Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations.

[Luke the Bear]

That it's a big deal.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Is a good man, good president right there. To be brave enough to finally do what everyone said you should be doing the whole time. I mean, this, I don't know if you guys are familiar with this, but this whole debate over labeling the cartels and these gangs as terrorists, terrorist organizations has been going on for some time. And many people have been trying to get a president to simply label them as a terrorist organization so that we can mobilize our special forces, tier one forces, the military against them. These people are wicked, wicked, evil people that terrorize the public. They are enemies of the state. They're enemies of the public. And so we're talking about sex trafficking. These people are monsters. They are animals and they will kill anything in their way. And they happen to be among us. And so why the patience? Like that's not even appropriate to have patience in a situation like this. Why the patience with these murderous thugs? It's not the job of the presidency to be patient with these thugs. The job is, like you said, justice. So he says, here, let me appeal to the emotions of these two females that were murdered, raped and horrible things happened to them. And so like you said, we're not gonna let it happen again. So we're going to mobilize our military against them. That's a good thing, man. That's a good president right there. That's a good presidential action.

[Zachary Conover]

Ms. 13 and they're, they're the biggest gang here in, in the valley. For sure.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Yes, for sure. Let's see, let me get to the. Oh, yeah, let's. Oh, we talked about this a bit yesterday. Zach, the police Officer, death penalty. 101, 110. 110, here we go. This is, yeah, this is a very good conversation to have. We had a good talk about this in the car yesterday. And here we we go.

[Donald Trump (quoted)]

Fire departments throughout the country. Our firemen and women are unbelievable people and we'll never forget them. And besides that, they voted for me in record numbers. So I have no choice. One year ago this month, 31 year old new York police officer Jonathan Dillon, unbelievably wonderful person and a great officer, was gunned down at a traffic stop on Long Island. I went to his funeral. The vicious criminal charged with his murder had 21 prior arrests. And they were rough arrests too. He was a real bad one. The thug in the seat next to him had 14 prior arrests and went by the name of killer. He was killer. He killed other people, they say a lot of of them. I attended Officer Diller's service and when I met his wife and one year old son Ryan, it was very inspirational actually. His widow's name is Stephanie and she is here tonight. Stephanie. Thank you very much, Stephanie. Thank you very much, Stephanie. We're going to make sure that Ryan knows his dad was a true hero. New York's finest. And we're going to get these cold blooded killers and repeat offenders off our streets and we're going to do it fast. Got to stop. Stop it. They get out with 28 arrests, they push people into subway trains, they hit people over the head, back of the head with baseball bats. We got to get them out of here. I've already signed an executive order requiring a mandatory death penalty for anyone who murders a police officer. And tonight I'm asking Congress to pass that policy into permanent law.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Boo. He just said it right there. There you go. That's right. He passes the order and he wants Congress to make it actual law. That is the Pathway that that's what needs to be done. But I just want to just say quickly, and then I'll show up here for you guys to say something yourselves. I love that what he's saying is the, the role of the government to wield the sword.

[Luke the Bear]

Right.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He's, he's speaking about injustice, he's speaking about victims, he's speaking about evil. And he says, and we're going to punish it. And I like what he says. We're going to punish people who murder police officers for the death penalty penalty. All I want to say, all I want to say is you shall show no partiality in judgment. And the issue of justice should be equal weights and measures, which means that my life is as valuable as a police officer's life. So if you kill me or him, if you kill me or him, it should be the death penalty. So the death penalty. I'm glad we have a president talking with death penalty because God says murder deserves the death penalty. And so I want to say, hey, hey, praise the Lord. But let's say that all of our lives are worthy of that kind of protection.

[Luke the Bear]

The standard is not an agent of the state. State receives that protection. The standard is, was this a cavalier disregard for human life?

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

And was it verified, proven that this person did this? If it was, God commands them, they deserve to die. Like, the state has an obligation morally and the authorization to use the sword to put them to death. And like you said, that's, that's the standard. It's not what office does this person occupy. It's not a question of who they are, what their profession is, you know, what gender they are, whatever, any of those subjective external factors. It's the conduct. Was this heinous disregard for human life, was this murder, then that is a first degree offense and it's capital punishment every time in God's law.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah. I was thinking how sad it is that we're even having this conversation to begin with. Like, shouldn't that just naturally, that's just the rule. Shouldn't that just be, you know, like. Or rape or, you know, go down the list of things like sex trafficking, sex, like. Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Shouldn't that just pedophiles, molestation?

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah. According to God's law. Yeah. So it's just, it's sad that we're so, it's like, right on one hand, I'm like, thank you, President Trump for that. But like, let's not stop there.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, right.

[Zachary Conover]

Let's keep going. And it's just sad that we even have to be Having this conversation, what.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Made that feel so good? That moment there is. Here you have the president saying, we're going to punish evil doers, wield the sword, and we're going to give execution for murder. You go, oh, man, that feels so much like Jesus. Thank you, Lord, for that. But then there's just a fall off. You go, ah, come on. Let's be consistent. I mean, the police officer's life isn't more valuable than my daughters. Like it should just be. You kill a human being unjustly, then you deserve to die. That's just how we do this. Set those standards up and people will follow and be taught by it. They'll say, well, I'll be really cautious to be killing people because I'll be killed myself.

[Luke the Bear]

That's exactly it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Or how about the. How about the pederast? Like the. He, he, he is. If he understands, you touch that kid, you die. Like, if that's the standard, you touch that kid, you die. I. Look, I understand people are wicked and sinful and this stuff's gonna. This stuff's gonna happen in a fallen world, but those numbers of just how much is happening are gonna get squished way down. Exactly.

[Luke the Bear]

It's a restraint.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's a restraint.

[Luke the Bear]

That's civil government. So function is to restrain evil in the world. And like you said, said Lake and Riley and Jocelyn, those animals that did that to them, it's easy to say that they deserve to die.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, easy.

[Luke the Bear]

It's an easy death penalty charge for what they did. So that's what scripture prescribes.

[Zachary Conover]

Yeah, I mean, and I do understand why. I think his thinking and starting with the. With the police is, you know, he's trying to install reinstall order. Law and order.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zachary Conover]

Because as we. I mean, since. Since 2020, it's just, you know, cops don't even want to even try to arrest people.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Dude, Phoenix. Dude, Phoenix pd, they are struggling right now to get people to even be police officers. They are, like, offering these massive, massive bonuses right now if you're white.

[Zachary Conover]

Like, it's.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

They are. They are really struggling. Phoenix PD is struggling big time to get police officers. And I've had two examples recently. One, there was a drive by shooting on my street. Street not very long ago. Drive by shooting on my street. And when the police officers showed up later that night, I met with them when they first came, and then they came back that night to get the video footage from me. And dude, I'm telling you, when the. When the. I opened my door to the police officer at like 9 at night to get the, the footage from me, I, I like did like a double take because it looked like a 15 year old kid. Wow. Like, I was like, wait, is this serious? Like he was a legit, legit Phoenix pd. His partner came behind him a minute or so later. But the first one that came up, I was like, this looks like a child. He looks like my son's age. Yeah, he looked so, so young. I was like, wow, this guy's so young. And then recently I was with my son. Oh, I forget where we were. And then we had this Phoenix police officer walk past us and he looked younger than my son. I was like, this is crazy. They're struggling and they're really having a hard time because right now there's actually a channel on YouTube. My, my son Sage sent. He. He watches those videos all the time. It shows like crazy shooting, police officer involved shootings. And a bunch of those videos regularly, regularly are from Phoenix police officer shootings. And they're wild to watch those guys. They're living. They're. It's. It's a dangerous job to be a Phoenix pd. And, and you make a good point. If, if there's not fear amongst the public and criminals about what you do to these police officers, then it's going to continue. So that's a fantastic thing. So that's praiseworthy. Yeah. Kill the people who murder cops. Right, but kill the people who murder everybody. Yeah, or anybody.

[Zachary Conover]

Exactly.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

For sure. All right, guys, so what we're doing right now is we have more to say. Actually, we're gonna do about two more clips or so, and one is on the. The little boy that had brain cancer. Such a sweet moment. And also what Trump said about God saving his life to make America great again. We're gonna have the discussion over at the TheAfter Show. Apologia studios.com. all you need to do is sign up for All Access. You're going to partner with us in this ministry again. Everything you see coming from Apologia Studios, everything, all the stuff to the cults and the public debates on the street, evangelism, the teaching, everything happens because you guys are in this ministry with us, together with us. We consider it an honor and we're humbled by it. But you just sign up for All Access, you partner with us in ministry and you guys can be a part of the live feed that we're going to do. And, and over atthe apologia studios dot com. So we're going to continue discussion over there. Luke, you want to talk some of this stuff right here? I already did the ion layer.

[Zachary Conover]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Zachary Conover]

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[Luke the Bear]

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[Zachary Conover]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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