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544. The Pope Faceplants & Remembering Voddie
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Join us for the newest episode of Apologia Radio in which we discuss the recent comments by Pope Leo on capital punishment. We also remember our friend, Voddie Baucham. Tell someone!
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Jeff Durbin
Non Rockabotus must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite Brett? Delusional. Delusional? Yeah. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional, using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me. Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.
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Luke McElroy
Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world to make buddies, not to make corrosives.
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Jeff Durbin
Right.
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Luke McElroy
Don't go into the world and make homies disciples.
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Jeff Durbin
I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, master. When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not. Take an amazing journey to a place.
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Guest Speaker / Voice Clip
That will blow your mind and move your heart so you will never be the same again.
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Jeff Durbin
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. For God made man in his own image. That's Genesis 9, verse 6, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Apologia radio. This is the gospel heard around the world, everybody. Grateful to have you join us. You can get more at apologiastudios.com that's a P O L O G I a apologiastudios.com go over there after the show today. Get all the past episodes of Cultish. All the episodes of Shiologens provoked Apologia Radio. And you get all the nifty gifties there at All Access. When you sign up for All Access, you're partnering with us in this entire ministry. Bring the gospel around the world and you get all kinds of additional content. And more and more is coming. We are so excited about 2026. Believe me, we have a lot of stuff that is going to happen that's going to blow your minds. We are thrilled here about what God is doing at Apologia Studios. And so welcome back, everybody. I'm Jeff the com ninja. That's Luke the Bear over there.
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Voddie Baucham
What up?
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Luke McElroy
I'm on the wrong side. Sorry.
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Jeff Durbin
Where I'm have. That's why I'm having a hard time right now focusing with. With Luke on the opposite side today. But Gabe in his wisdom said, luke, you need to Sit over there today.
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Luke McElroy
He said the back drops better on this side.
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Jeff Durbin
Yeah.
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Luke McElroy
I don't know what to do with my hands, where to look and see.
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Jeff Durbin
How the audience feels about that.
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Luke McElroy
I'm all backwards right now.
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Jeff Durbin
I'm not.
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Luke McElroy
I already got complaints. People are like, you're on the wrong side.
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Jeff Durbin
Exactly. Everything, everything, everything feels out of place. Gabe, you're throwing the whole system off right now. And so here we go. We are going to get right into it today, and we have a lot to talk about. So first thing we want to talk about is Pope Leo. The new pope. Papists. The papists got their man in. Pope Leo. He's from Chicago.
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Luke McElroy
He didn't sound like it, though.
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Jeff Durbin
Not much.
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Luke McElroy
It bothers me.
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Jeff Durbin
Not too much. Not too much.
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Luke McElroy
I know Chicago.
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Jeff Durbin
He does Luke's. Luke's from the. From that area. And he likes sausage.
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Luke McElroy
Sausage.
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Jeff Durbin
Sausage. And Chicago pizza. Deep dish. I like deep dish. You like deep dish? I do, yeah.
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Luke McElroy
I got Dino's D. Sausage patty.
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Jeff Durbin
Oh, man, I remember you introduced me to that. That's what it's. You know, we. We don't remember everything in life, but that's.
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Voddie Baucham
I remember my pizzas.
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Jeff Durbin
I remember you introducing me to that. And take me to that favorite restaurant of yalls, where I got to get that lemon soup.
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Voddie Baucham
Oh, yeah.
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Jeff Durbin
Lemon rice soup around the clock. And that's right. So I remember that. And I remember the first time you and I tried pho together. It was freezing outside, and there was a Vietnamese pho restaurant.
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Luke McElroy
Oh, that's right.
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Jeff Durbin
And it's the first time we got it. I forgot about that. And it was. It was perfect. It was. It was transforming life. Transforming. It really was. Now we do so much, you can't even shake a stick at it. I don't know if that's the right way to say that it works. Yeah, it works for me, too. All right, guys, so we're going to talk about where we're talking. We're talking about Pope Leo. Pope Leo, the new pope of the Roman Catholic Church. And, you know, I know Roman Catholics. There's many Roman Catholics that are going. Not happy about that. Nope, don't like that. So the vicar of Christ on earth, according to the Roman Catholic Church, the vicar of Christ on earth, the last vicar of Christ on earth said the same thing. He was against the death penalty. The new vicar of Christ on Earth, he's against the death penalty, which I find so utterly fascinating because of, of course, what the Bible teaches about the death penalty and capital punishment, but also what Roman Catholic history teaches about the death penalty.
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Luke McElroy
Yeah.
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Jeff Durbin
And capital punishment. And so now we have the new vicar of Christ who has a new view, apparently. So if you are, he says, pro life and you are for capital punishment, you are not actually pro life. These are the words of the vicar of Christ on Earth.
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Guest Speaker
Someone who says I'm against abortion but says I'm in favor of the death penalty is not really pro life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who are in the United States. I don't know if that's pro life. So they're very.
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Jeff Durbin
I gotta, I gotta answer that real fast.
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Luke McElroy
Who, who.
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Jeff Durbin
Who says I'm a who who's against abortion and says, I'm in favor of the inhumane treatment? The inhumane treatment of. Yeah, illegals. I'd like to meet that person.
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Luke McElroy
Seems like a false category.
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Jeff Durbin
It's. Yeah, it's, you know, it's just, it's. It's not fair, not just to say that you can be for legal immigration and against illegal immigration and still be pro life. And it doesn't have to be the category of Nah, yeah, I like, I like the inhuman in main treatment. I want to get them abused. I'd like to get them harmed as much as possible before we send them back across the border. I like it. Not fair. Not a way to. Not, Not a way to steel man your opponent's position. But the Pope says that again, the vicar of Christ on Earth, the one who's in Peter's chair, he, he says you can't be pro life and for capital punishment, which I find so peculiar, because God is both those things. He is for the preservation and protection of human life. And he is clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly for capital punishment in cases like rape, in cases like murder, in cases like kidnapping and enslaving. And it's just, it's all over the Bible. And, you know, somebody could say, well, I was Old Testament. Okay, well, Jesus said, Matthew 5, 17, 19, that he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them. And if you teach anybody to disobey even the least of these commandments, you'll be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them be called great in the kingdom of heaven. So Jesus view of the law is. Do not even begin to think that I've come to destroy the law or the prophets. And so interesting also that the apostle Paul in his ministry in Acts 25, during his ministry in Acts 25. He says something that is just powerful after the cross, after the resurrection, after the ascension of Jesus. So the new covenant now is like in force. All right? Jesus is on his throne. He's accomplished redemption, all that's done. Now he says when he's on trial, ascension, essentially. He says, if I've done anything worthy of death, this is an inspired apostle in the new Covenant. He says, if I've done anything worthy of death, then I don't object to dying. Which means that there are things, according to an inspired apostle, that are actually worthy of the death penalty. And it would be right for Paul to be executed for those things. And so he says, if I've done anything worthy of it, then I don't object to dying. All right? Because that's just, that's the right thing that should happen. And that's in the New Covenants. Post cross, post resurrection, post ascension. That's Paul inspired apostle, very reliable source. And, and there's more, of course, in the New Testament itself in terms of capital punishment. But the Bible is just filled with this, from the very mouth of God. So you have a question, sorry, a decision to make. Who do I believe? Whose voice carries the weight? Who, Whose voice is the reference point? Is it Pope Leo, the modern day Roman Catholic Pontiff in 2025, or is it God himself in his inspired revelation? We've got it. Roman Catholics are holding on to it. Christians are holding on to it. You can get access to it, you can order on Amazon. It'll be there by noon. All right, and so you can get these. And the words are there. And I know that Rome, I have Roman Catholic friends and family that would agree with me on this point. This guy is telling tales of the schoolyard. This, this, this does not make any sense. I mean, saying that as a vicar of Christ, you know, this is, this is the right position. You can't be pro life and capital punishment. Again, God is both those things in Scripture, protect and preserve innocent human life and execute guilty criminals. And so couple verses, and this is by no means comprehensive or exhaustive. Genesis 9, 6. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. For God made man in his own image. That's the reason why God gives you the reason. The four for God made man in his own image. Notice that there's no text that says, you know, if you kill an animal to eat it, then you got to lose your life because, you know, blood for blood sort of a thing that's not even there because you have beasts, you have Creatures. And then you have the imago dei. All right, so God's saying, here's why you kill the person who killed a person. Because God made man in his own image, and so that deserves execution. Exodus 21, verse 12. Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death. And then Exodus 21:17, whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death. Exodus 21, verse 16. Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him shall be put to death. There is man stealing, and that's kidnapping is death penalty. That's what God says. Kidnapping is death penalty, which is powerful. Exodus 21:15. Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death. Exodus 22:19. There you go. It's a big one. It's an important one. I wish you'd put this one out there today. Whoever lies with an animal should be put to death. The whole furry community is gone. Yeah, right. People that, you know, have this obsession with bestiality and animal sex and all those sorts, all that kind of depraved stuff. Leviticus 20, verse 10. If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. And here, here is the. Here is the Standard from Exodus 21:23 25. We'll end with this. But if there is harm, then you shall pay. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe, for stripe. Lex talionis. Equal justice. Okay? Can't be unequal justice. And so the point for equal justice is if you go so far as to engage in murdering an image bearer of God, you can't make that right. Right. Like with theft, you can repay. And there's standards in scripture about what that repayment should look like. It's different from just like general theft to theft of a business, something like that. But you can make that right in some way. But when it comes to the murder of another human being, the only way on this side of heaven to make it right is you have to have life for life. You murdered a human being. It's unjustified killing of a human being. And so you forfeited your right to live. That's biblical. There's no way around it. And it's an amazing thing to me that God has spoken so clearly and repetitively on this issue in scripture, and you would still have a Roman Catholic pope, and even professing Christians. Deny it. Deny it. And so you say, okay, well what's the solution for murder? And so people will suggest, well, I think what we do now is we send them to the penitentiary. So they become penitent. So they become penitent over time. And so what do you do? You have a victim now, the murdered victim, that life is gone now. So then you take the person, the perpetrator, the one who actually executed that person, and you put them into a cage like an animal for life. Behind bars sometimes, not even that. Sometimes people murder people and they actually get out of jail. Right. And so where's the justice in that? They still have their life. And what happens in our system today is you have a penitentiary system that wants to make people penitent. And so you put them into a cage like an, an 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for years, and you go, all right, I guess maybe that solves it. Put them in a cage like an animal, I suppose. But they don't just get to get there with no bankroll. I mean, it has to be bankrolled. And who's it bankrolled by? It's bankrolled by the community around the offender, which means that this person murdered this person. What did the community around that have to do with the murder? Not a thing. But who's also being punished for the murder? Well, the person who was executed is, you know, they're paying for the murder, they've lost their life. But also now the community around the offender is now also paying for the murder for the rest of their lives. Because you have a system that is not just, that doesn't simply say fair trial, cross examination, right. Witness and testimony, evidence that has to be in place. And then you have of course, execution. And now that person is gone. No one else is paying for that crime. I'm not paying for it anymore. Right. The guy, he's paid for with his own life. And that's, that's the way to actually have justice according to Scripture. So Roman Catholics will always sell you on the idea of this unified tradition throughout history, just simply not true. Sell you on the idea of you've got this apostolic tradition that came all the way up to us is simply not true. Try finding the assumption of Mary in Scripture and the Immaculate Conception and all those things in Scripture, you're just not going to find it. You have development of doctrine over time. You know, when they talk about the papacy and going all the way back to Peter, I would say ask the Eastern Orthodox if they agree with you on the Papacy. It's not just Protestants to disagree on the papacy. You know that. And so they have this invented position. It's not in the Bible. It develops over time in history. And you get to the Vicar of Christ and this the papacy, and then what do you get? As time rolls on, culture influences the Roman Catholic Church, culture influences the popes. And so now you have this American from Chicago who's got some modern views on capital punishment. He just can't hold it together. And so ultimately, the last Pope said that the death penalty, capital punishment, he said. He said this. He said it is unjust. The capital punishment is unjust. Unjust, unjust. What about these verses from God's own mouth repeatedly, over and over and over? So the last Pope says to God, when God says, life for life, the last Pope says, that's unjust. God. God says in his word that rapists deserve to die. Then the Pope says, that's unjust. God says in his word, kidnapping and enslaving somebody means you deserve the death penalty. The Pope says, that's unjust. So he is, as the vicar of Christ on Earth, the representative of Christ on earth. He is calling God to his face, unjust. Because I've got news for you, these Bible verses are here, and thankfully they're here to stay. Heaven and earth will pass away. My words will by no means pass away. Jesus says, the grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever. These verses are going nowhere. They're going nowhere. And so what you have now is two voices to contend with. You've got the voice of God in Holy Scripture, and the Pope agrees that these are the words of God. And you've got the modern Pope saying God is unjust for saying that. And then this Pope, Pope Leo, the new one, saying, you can't be pro life for the preservation and protection of innocent human life and believe in the death penalty for murderers. You can't do that. And I'm saying you can find both of those things in abundance in God's holy word. So who do I believe? The Pope? Or do I believe the true and living God? And yes, that's why I'm Protestant, for Exactly. Exactly. Moments like this. This is why I am happily a Protestant. The Protestant church is still filled with sinners. It is a mess. A lot of times the Reformed Church is a mess. We're all sinners. But we have a standard that we can appeal to and a standard that's supposed to transform us and correct us. How do you correct the modern Pope? When he calls God unjust for capital punishment, how do you correct him? I mean, I'm asking my Roman Catholic friends that you know how much I love you. How do you correct a guy like that? Well, what happened? What do you. I mean, what happens? You get these little, these little. You have this, this. This marketing strategy of Roman Catholic apologists, this unified church, this unified history, this unified doctrine, and it's simply not true. You've got popes who deny that the apocrypha is scripture, and then other pope saying, no, that's scripture. What the Vicar of Christ doesn't know what God's word is. You've got contradictions galore. And then moments like this where you've got this marketing strategy of Roman Catholic apologists. We have this unified church, unified tradition, all this stuff. So then you have to say, what about all the different sects within Roman Catholicism? What about all those. What about the Roman Catholics within the Roman Catholic communion that are arguing against the Vicar of Christ on Earth today and saying, that guy is contradicting Scripture and our own tradition, but he's the Vicar of Christ. But we have this unified tradition, this unified church. It's just not true. It isn't true. We should be willing, and I'll kick it over to you here, Luke. We should be willing. If we're honest and we have integrity, all of us, we're all a work in progress. I'm not saying I'm standing above anybody for sure. We should be willing to say honestly and straightforwardly, these are problems within our communion, right? This is a problem. What this guy said is a problem. These are problems within the reformed community. These are problems. These are failures. And just be honest about it. And the same thing goes with Rome. Just be honest about the fact that this is a real problem. What are you going to do 50 to 100 years from now when culture has so changed in certain areas, when Rome just yields to it and it no longer even is recognizable to the Roman Catholic church of 200 years ago? What happens to this unified tradition, this unity of the faith and the necessity of the Vicar of Christ on Earth to guide the church and all of that? Where does it all go? My point is it's ultimately a selling point of Roman Catholic evangelists and Roman Catholic apologists, the selling point of this unified tradition and the blessing and benefit of the papacy and all those things. You see moments like this and you say, this Pope is the Vicar of Christ on Earth and he just called God unjust. This Pope is actually disagreeing clearly with the voice of God himself. And so Protestantism, the Reformed community, just simply says what Augustine says, what Athanasius says. That doesn't matter what some council says ultimately, or what a bunch of guys have gathered in this place have said. And no matter how much authority they have, it's the voice of God that you appeal to is the standard that we're all supposed to appeal to. Not the voice of this bishop or that bishop or this council. It's the word of God. That's the reference point. That was the position of Augustine and of Athanasius. And so we say, as reformers, let's get back to what they said. Let's be willing to be a church that's corrected by the word of God, so that we can even say to a guide like this, and we could say, no, you. I'm sorry, no, you are contradicting the very words of God. No, God says in his word, clearly, capital punishment is justice. It's justice. And to call God unjust as the vicar of Christ on Earth makes me so suspicious, so suspicious of your claims.
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Luke McElroy
So we got to cut to an ad here, but I'll just add this. I just wanted to make an observation. Apparently the Pope is not in favor of the inhumane treatment of immigrants, but is perfectly okay with treating murderers, rapists, and man stealers inhumanely by throwing them in cages for the rest of their lives.
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Jeff Durbin
That's right. He doesn't like the immigrants in cages, probably. But that rapist, though. Yeah, you know, I think you can. We'll end with this. I think we would see a dramatic transformation in our society on a number of levels if we dealt with murder swiftly, with justice, public justice, execution. We would see a dramatic change in the area of rape, child sexual abuse, sex trafficking. Because sex trafficking, think about it, is two things. You have what in sex trafficking, kidnapping and sexual abuse and rape. Right. So there's no question. You just deserve to die, period. And if we treated pedophilia that way and child rape that way, we could preserve so many people's lives. Because as Ecclesiastes 8 says, when the sentence of again, against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the hearts of men are emboldened to do wickedness. And so people are emboldened to do evil because you will not do justice quickly. And so, you know, in my area, I think I've mentioned this before, and then we'll go to a commercial, Gabe, right after this. I'm giving you a lead here, Gabe. In my area, there's an app where you can pull up all the sex offenders in your area. And dude, I don't know what it is about my area. I don't know if I mentioned this before, I don't know what it is about my area in Phoenix, but that thing lights up and I don't know if like they've, people have invited them, like, hey, move in this little two mile radius and because it is nothing but red dots all around a red dot, red dot. I even looked at like your area and other areas, like, is it just me? So I did, I like went to other areas like that and you know, you spread it out and I'm like, where's the red? There's like no red or one red. I've just got dots all around me. I mean, it is just amazing. You got to like pull out to be able to see clearly all the red dots in my area. And so you look at something like that and you look at, you can actually click on each red dot and you can see the person and their case. And some of them are heinous. Oh, yeah, heinous. And you're like, how'd this person get out of jail? I mean, if you're going to put them there, I mean, protect the public. But, but think about how we could mitigate against more and more child sexual abuse and sex offenders by simply saying, you do this to another person, you will lose your life. And we will, it'll be public. It will dramatically change. Will it stop rape and sexual abuse? Not in a fallen world, but it will dramatically diminish those numbers, I assure you. And that's what scripture says. And so quick. Commercial break Everybody, we're going to come right back and we're going to remember our friend Vodi Balcom when we get back with some of the best hits of Vodi. And so stay with us.
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Jeff Durbin
Welcome back, everybody. So if you guys are watching, last week we were live on the program when Luke passed me his phone and showed me the news of Voddie's passing. And yeah, we just sort of went silent for A couple minutes there on the radio show, which I'm sure everyone understood completely. So Vodi was a good friend of Pastor James. They knew each other and. And did ministry together over many years, even in a different country, Africa. And we. I think. I'm trying to think the last time I saw Vodi, 21, probably that's when.
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Luke McElroy
I saw him, when I met him.
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Jeff Durbin
So that was. That was Fight.
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Luke McElroy
Laugh.
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Jeff Durbin
Nashville.
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Luke McElroy
Yeah.
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Jeff Durbin
So Nashville. And then I think we saw him again at G3. Or I saw him at G3.
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Luke McElroy
No, I didn't. You may have.
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Jeff Durbin
And. And so, yeah, so, I mean, Vodi, what a huge impact on. On the world for Christ. And I want to say that when I thought about one of the areas where Vodi was most effective and really brought some dramatic transformation into the Christian church, into the world. Healthy, healthy, strong generation, lasting change was in his advocacy and teaching on homeschooling. And many of you guys maybe have experienced that with. With having Vodi's instruction on homeschooling really transformed the way that you're. You're thinking. As a matter of fact, I think when you and I were really coming to that, because I. I came to the conclusion when I was reading Bonson, and then. And then it was Vodi that helped. Helped us. But was it Vodi that really helped you and Cheryl? Was that one of the things, Driscoll?
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Luke McElroy
They got me. But Vodi definitely helped. Yeah, that definitely.
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Jeff Durbin
Children of Caesar. So here's the famous scene. If you haven't seen it, by the way, if you haven't gotten it, do it. It's worth it. Get Children of Caesar. It'll rock you in a big way. So here's vodi on that.
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Voddie Baucham
90% of Christians allow our government to educate their children. We are losing somewhere between 70 and 88% of our children by the end of their freshman year in college. That's the children of evangelicals. Somewhere between 70 and 88% of them have nothing to do with spiritual things by the end of their freshman year in college. Now, let me give you the easy answer before we go into a more detailed answer. The easy answer is, if we continue to send our children to Caesar for their education, we need to stop being surprised when they come home. As Romans, Luke chapter 6 and verse 40, a pupil is not above his teacher, but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher. From K12, children spend 14,000 seat hours in school. Let me say that again. 14,000 seat hours in school. The average Christian family spends less than 30 minutes per week discussing spiritual matters. Parents who think that a few conversations center around what did you learn today? Need to be honest about the usual answer to that question, which is nothing. There are three questions that we always get. Okay, number one, every homeschool family knows it is the question of questions. It is. If we have any homeschool families in here, I'm not even going to see it. What's the question? What about socialization? Exactly. We get that, you know, and that's the easy one. All right. What about socialization? The other question is, is that legal? And the other question is, where do you get your curriculum? Who oversees your curriculum? Those are the three questions. Why does everyone ask the exact same three questions? Because everyone's been discipled by the same teacher. And the first question everybody asks is, how can you educate your own children?
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Jeff Durbin
Why? Why?
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Voddie Baucham
Because the system wants you to be a slave. I'm a free man. My children are mine, not wards of the state. The government has no jurisdiction over my children.
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Jeff Durbin
Boom. Whoo.
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Luke McElroy
I know they got a lot of people.
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Jeff Durbin
It did right in the feels. It did. Yeah, man. That was one of. That's. I mean, that's like a tract that you pass out to Christians to just sort of gently nudge them to maybe pay it. Maybe pay some attention to this subject and think about their children's education. And you can just. Instead of having a fight with them or getting really into a heated argument with them, just say, hey, have you seen this thing, Children of Caesar? Maybe check it out. Like, just let vot. Just let Vod deal with them.
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Luke McElroy
Let him drop the hand.
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Jeff Durbin
I don't know. Just maybe take a look. I heard there's some fun stuff in there. I don't know. It's fun. It's. It's. It really is one of those things. If you are having a conversation with a brother or sister in Christ in your. Your local church and you're. You're. You want to help to encourage them to see the importance of this subject of education of our children and help them to see the value of homeschooling or private Christian schooling to be discipled in. In the proper way. It really is a huge benefit to have this, and this is going to be a great resource for the church for decades to come or more. Just hopefully. Hopefully more than that. The state education system is put. Is dead. So, you know, someday that maybe we won't need voties help on this anymore. But for now, get children of Caesar, watch it yourself, and then give it to a Christian and have them have Them work through that. It's just a blessing. There's a lot of moments like that.
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Luke McElroy
It was funny. I saw an ad on Facebook the other day, and it was for some local gym or something, and they were offering, like, gym classes for, like, homeschool kids or something.
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Jeff Durbin
Yeah.
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Luke McElroy
And it was like, one of the, like, selling points was, like, socialization, and I was dying laughing, and my wife saw it and she's like, yep.
- [29:30]
Voddie Baucham
Nope.
- [29:30]
Luke McElroy
As soon as I saw that, I knew what they were all about.
- [29:32]
Jeff Durbin
Yeah, that's right.
- [29:33]
Luke McElroy
So funny.
- [29:34]
Jeff Durbin
All right, so let's get some more of the greatest hits of Vodi Balcom. By the way, big shout out to Gabe Green for spending the time yesterday putting this together for us. Thanks, brother. You're. You're always good at what you do. All right, so here's another one famous.
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Voddie Baucham
Clip from John MacArthur who says, as only John MacArthur could. If you could lose your salvation, you would. Amen somebody. How arrogant does a person have to be to believe that it's possible for them to lose their salvation? But they haven't. Who do you have to think you are in order to be saved? I'm a Christian and I'm saved. And I'm on my way to heaven when I die. Now there's a possibility that I could mess this thing up, but I haven't. You probably just did.
- [30:34]
Jeff Durbin
Man, I love him so much. He was phenomenal. What a gift. And let's do some more. Just one after another.
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Guest Speaker / Voice Clip
May I never get over the fact that. That God saved a wretched sinner like me. May I never get over the fact that he allowed me to see another day. May I never get over the fact that he's patient with me, that he's long suffering with me, and that in me dwells nothing, nothing that can satisfy him. May I never get over being broken over my sin. May I never, ever become complacent. May I never, ever stop realizing the incredible distance between me and my Jesus. Because that's the only way I appreciate the distance he traveled to make me his child.
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Jeff Durbin
That man knew the gospel. Yeah, he knew the gospel. He understood it and preached it and did so well, and the life of this man, too. And it's not just. It's. It isn't just his spectacular gift in teaching and communication of biblical truth and the gospel and his. His passion for. For the gospel and his love, but it's also his life. His life truly was faithfulness on stilts, really. It was. If you think about the fact that he has this church, he's a faithful pastor in Texas and, you know, people can get comfortable with that. Yeah.
- [32:21]
Luke McElroy
Hearing some audio issues.
- [32:23]
Jeff Durbin
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Voddie Baucham
Race is actually a social construct. The concept of race is Not a biblical concept. It's not a biblical idea. It is a constructed idea. You won't find the idea of races in the Bible unless you find it in the proper historical context where we see, number one, that we are all the race of Adam. Amen. One race, one blood. We are all the race of Adam. There is less than a 0.2% genetic difference between any of us in this regard. In fact, we're not even different colors. Amen. Technically, from a genetic perspective, from a biochemistry perspective, we're all actually the same color. Our color comes from our melanin. We've all got melanin just to differing degrees. So it's not that some of us are, you know, this color. Some of us are that color. Some of us, no, we're just different shades of the same color. Some of us just have more melanin than others. And I want you to listen to me on this. Listen to me. Just because you don't have as much melanin as I do, don't you dare think God doesn't love you as much as he loves me because he gave me more. You learn to be satisfied with the little you have.
- [36:21]
Jeff Durbin
Hey, guys. So we are back kind of. As you can tell, we've had some technical issues. We're going to get these all resolved, Lord willing, before next week. And so, so thank you guys for tuning in. We will continue this remembering Votey thing on one of the next episodes. We want to make sure we spend some time honoring our brother in that way. If you're in Alabama next week, October 7th, University of Alabama. Hey, there's James White. What's up? These little eyes peek around the corner there. If you're in Alabama next week, I'm going to be there for an event for TP USA with my friend Bradley Pierce talking about abolition, equal protection and all human life is valuable. And so that's happening. University of Alabama, October 7th. Meet us there. If you go to my page on Facebook and social media, I think it's also on Instagram, on Apologia Studios, you guys can get all the deets all, all there for you guys. Pray for that event. Excited to be able, part of, be able to defend the the equal protection status of all human beings from fertilization. We're gonna be doing that in Alabama. So pray for that and I'll be in Alabama. Thank you guys. Go to endabortionnow.com to get more information and to have your church sign up to save babies outside the abortion mill. We Apologia Church praise God for you guys saved a baby today in Phoenix. So all glory to God for that. You can do the same thing and go to endabortionnow.com or get you free training, free resources so you can do exactly what we do. And please pray for next session across the country. We do have bills happening across the country and we need your support and your prayers. Go to endavortionnow.com for more. That's Luke the bear. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yes. Matt Ship. Thank you, brother. Thank you for that gift, man. Thank you so much for that gift. And yeah, it'll help with the equipment issue. So thank you so much. Love you guys. Thank you guys for your prayers and your support of this ministry. If you didn't get a chance yet, check out the last couple of days. We dropped some evangelism with Jehovah's Witnesses that we hope is a blessing to the church and to the Jehovah's Witnesses that see it. We'll catch you next week.