552. Sloppy Inconsistencies on Joe Rogan with James Talarico

Summary

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Apologia Radio Ep. 552: "Sloppy Inconsistencies on Joe Rogan with James Talarico"

Host: Jeff Durbin (Jeff the Common Ninja), with Luke
Date: December 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles Texas Rep. James Talarico’s recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, focusing on Talarico’s comments regarding wealth, taxation, abortion, and the Bible. Jeff and Luke dissect what they see as Talarico’s inconsistencies in applying a Christian worldview to modern social and political issues—especially his arguments about "taxing trillionaires out of existence" and his controversial exegesis of the Annunciation to Mary. The hosts stress the importance of biblical fidelity, individual rights, and ethical consistency in public discourse, citing Scripture and Christian philosophy throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Updates and Ministry News

• Jeff shares positive developments about abolitionist bills moving forward, especially in Illinois (05:39), and the ongoing work with End Abortion Now.
• Apologia Studios is preparing new content, including street evangelism and discussions with Mormon missionaries.

2. AI and Creativity (08:04–13:14)

• Discussion about creative uses of AI for memorizing scripture (e.g., AI turning biblical text into blues music).
• Luke: “It’s going to miss that element where you can’t go see someone [performing live].”
• Both agree AI can inspire human artists to push their craft further but will never replace genuine human creativity or spirituality.

3. One-Star Reviews & Church Practices (13:14–22:39)

• The hosts read and react to a critical online review of Apologia Church, defending their practices:
  • The church is unapologetic about being gospel- and mission-driven, political, and open-carry (armed) due to their Arizona location.
  • Weekly communion uses wine instead of grape juice, according to their reading of Jesus’ Last Supper.
  • Jeff: “I think your complaint actually is with Jesus because it was not grape juice on the table when Jesus was giving that—he gave wine. God gave wine.” (16:06)
  • They share their experience as a church stemming from a recovery community and explain why they use wine despite concerns for people struggling with addiction.

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Main Theme: Critiquing James Talarico’s “Christian” Progressivism

A. Taxing Wealth vs. Biblical Property Rights (25:13–42:21)

Talarico’s Joe Rogan Highlights:

• “Elon Musk is about to become the first trillionaire… Do we really believe one man is worth more than every elementary school teacher? Why do we have a trillionaire when there are kids without enough to eat?” (25:13)

Apologia’s Response:

• Jeff: “This is pure stupidity… A very successful man who actually created really great things and provides jobs… We’ve gotten so far away from the Christian worldview and a view of a person’s property as their property.” (25:44)
• God's law (‘You shall not steal’) is cited to argue that taxation on this scale is akin to legalized theft and results in the sin of coveting.
• Wealth creation is not only permissible but laudable in Christian and biblical thought:
  • "A righteous man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren." (Referenced at 31:43)
  • Jesus’ parable of the talents is used to support responsible profit and stewardship (32:40).

On “Tax trillionaires out of existence”:

• Jeff: “It’s saying we will punish you for success in their version of what is a utopia… What’s the difference between this man’s thinking and the robber who does the home invasion?” (38:46, 40:49)
• The hosts argue that such policies discourage ambition and benevolence and invert scriptural ethics regarding societal care for the poor.
• Charity and caring for the poor is a responsibility for the church and individuals, not the state (34:12).

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B. Mary, Consent, and Abortion—A Sloppy Exegesis (44:12–58:15)

Talarico's Controversial Claim (on Rogan):

• “Before God comes over Mary and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary’s consent, which is remarkable… the angel comes down and asks Mary if this is something she wants to do.” (45:52)

Apologia’s Scriptural Correction:

• Jeff: “It wasn’t a vision… it was an actual appearance [of an angel].” (44:50)
• Carefully reads Luke’s nativity text, showing that Mary is told, not asked; her response is one of humble assent, not negotiated consent.
• Jeff: “There’s no asking of permission... The angel is coming to say ‘this is what God’s going to do in you.’” (49:30)

Abortion, Creation, and Consent:

• Talarico uses the Mary story to argue that “creation has to be done with consent," linking it to abortion rights.
• Luke: “Our first parents didn’t have any consent to be created.” (56:47)
• Hosts clarify that the vast majority of abortions do not involve a question of initial consent, as “the baby has already been created,” often willingly or through consensual sex, not rape.

On Consistency and Slippery Logic:

• Jeff: “What this man is actually saying is that it is the larger human beings who can oppress the smaller human beings.” (58:54)
• They point out that, by Talarico’s standards, the unborn never get a say—only the adults do.

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C. Abortion in Exceptions: Rape, Incest, and Life of the Mother (60:39–70:05)

Rogan asks about exceptions:

• Talarico notes most Americans favor exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother’s health.

Apologia’s Nuanced Response:

• Less than 2% of abortions are for rape, incest, or maternal life; over 98% are elective.
• Jeff: “If you actually employ God’s law in our culture... It’s not the fault of the child. They don’t deserve to be penalized with capital punishment because their parents sinned in that way.”
• On rape: “What was done to the mother [rape] that was so evil, so despicable… we are now perpetrating upon the child—the innocent, defenseless victim.”
• “You already have one victim in rape… you don’t solve the problem by creating a second victim.” (63:52)

On "Life of the Mother":

• Medical solutions always try to save both patients; abortion as a solution is a misrepresentation. “You go to the hospital, not Planned Parenthood.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jeff (on Christian ethics and property):
  “God’s law, ‘You shall not steal,’ is the acknowledgment that people own their stuff, that their stuff is their stuff, and it’s not your stuff. So this guy professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ... but they don’t believe in the prohibition against stealing, which is really what this is promoting.” (26:29)

• Luke (challenging the consent argument):
  “Our first parents didn’t have any consent to be created.” (56:59)

• Jeff (on the double standard in abortion exceptions):
  “Talk about inconsistencies. Ask these pro-choicers, are you for the death penalty? No— not for the perpetrator, but for the baby. How did we lose this?” (68:13)

• Jeff (on the manipulation of Scripture for political aims):
  “This kind of evil comes... like this, with the mask of Christianity, the well-groomed hair, looking sharp, looking clean and using biblical language and just manipulating the text.” (54:46)

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Key Timestamps

• 08:04 – AI and Bible memorization through music
• 13:14 – Reacting to negative church reviews/wine and communion
• 25:13 – Cutting in to Talarico’s Rogan appearance: "Tax trillionaires out of existence"
• 32:40 – Parable of the Talents and biblical view of profit/wealth
• 44:12 – Talarico: "God asks for Mary’s consent" on the Incarnation
• 49:30 – Jeff’s scriptural walkthrough: Mary wasn’t asked, she was told
• 58:54 – Ethics of consent, age, and the rights of the unborn
• 63:52 – Addressing exceptions (rape, incest, health) in abortion debates

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Tone & Style

• Direct, unapologetic, scripturally grounded, and combative against “sloppy” or progressive readings of Christianity.
• Mix of humor and sharp cultural critique, with moments of compassion, especially regarding victims of abuse or injustice.
• Willingness to challenge both secular and “Christian” progressive arguments with rigorous exegesis and logical consistency.

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For More

• Full discussion, additional analysis, and after-show content available at ApologiaStudios.com
• Ministry partnership, resources, and End Abortion Now updates at endabortionnow.com

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking a robust, Bible-centered critique of progressive Christian politics and abortion apologetics, as exemplified in James Talarico’s statements on the Joe Rogan Experience.

Transcript

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[Luke]

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[Luke]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke]

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[Luke]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke]

What up?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke]

Did you see David just did a. I didn't read it, but today he put up an article. It was 30 years without his dad. I don't know if it was like today, but he put the article up today.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, I want to see that.

[Luke]

Yeah, I want to read it, but I haven't had a chance.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Love, David. Man, that guy's a giant. He's a beast. David Bonson. If you go check it out, go look at some news interviews with David Bonson. He is, he is a true, true blessing to the church, man.

[Luke]

He's a financial nerd.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes, he is. He can give you some good advice for sure. All right, so, hey, lots is going on and this is a great time of year for us. We're prepping for all the work next year for end abortion. Now we have bills of abolition happening across the country. Good news. I just got word, I just got word that we are getting a bill, the first bill of equal protection in the state of Illinois. It is coming underway right now. And I, I just, I'm so grateful because we didn't see it coming. And the Lord bless us with that. And so it's happening across the country. Go to endabortionnow.com to support financially all the work that we're doing saving lives. Tens of thousands have been saved and the bills of abolition happening next year. We're getting so close, everybody. Georgia's coming up very, very soon. We got a hearing coming there. Be in prayer for that and please do support us financially. So we're getting ready for that. We've got all our evangelism happening right now to the Mormon Temple. I'm going to be on the streets over the next couple of weeks, probably at Asu Mel Avenue, different places, engaging with people on the issue of abortion. And so be in prayer for that. And so we just have lots coming to hopefully bless your lives, equip you and, and just bring glory to God. So I got to see this a little ways back. I got to see it's he's a Texas representative. James Talarico on Joe Rogan just saw pieces and things like that. And so I thought this would be a really, really great thing to engage with a couple of ways. There's, there's some stuff he said on taxing the rich out of existence, and he really says that taxing the. Taxing trillionaires out of existence. We're going to play some of that. We're going to play some of his sloppiness on Joe Rogan's podcast on the issue of abortion. We're going to go through that and maybe have some time to talk about his discussion on Christian nationalism as well. But I wanted to do something fun to start off today with. Now I posted the other day some content. Well, okay, here's the first time I learned about it. All right, so AI is, you know, wild and, and in many ways super helpful, a great blessing. But of course there's all kinds of discussions in terms of how detrimental it can be in, in different categories. But when we were away, were we. Where were we? Alabama. Alabama. Alabama. When I was doing the thing for tpusa, I had the security team in the, in the, in the Suburban and everyone. And I think it was Carmen that was like, hey, check this out. It's the book of Ecclesiastes in the blues. And I was like, I wonder how that good that's going to be? And dude, it blew my mind.

[Luke]

It was, it's Carmen's fault then.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, probably. Yeah, it really is. It was literally the book of Ecclesiastes word for word in sung in the blues. And it was so good. It was so, so good. And I thought to myself, wow, this could be really great. Like you could memorize books of scripture just listening to AI turn this word for word and like the ESV or something into like the blues or something. And so there's like the book of Isaiah or Isaiah 53. I listened to the other day to Isaiah 53. I did it in blues, word for word. And it was epic. And I thought, well, this is actually a useful tool because you could just like get to know this song. Just memorize the song in the blues and you've got the entire chapter. Isaiah 53 committed a memory from this. It's. There's a lot of really cool things. But then I, so I posted on my page one of the things, I think it was Gangsters paradise in, in a sold out version, like soul music. The sold out version. I was like, man, this is, I think that this has Done so well that it's going to force real artists to actually up their game to get better than this because I thought it was epic. And there was all kinds of comments like, you know, there's no heart, there's no sou. Soul in this. I don't know. I don't know. Tell me, tell me guys, what you think about this? Honestly, this is like a big topic in my house right now. I understand, like, you know, it's not real people. And like, you know, I agree with those people. Where's the soul and all that stuff. But I don't. Some guy was like, there's no pat. There was. Some guy was like, there's no passion in this. There's no emotion in this. I don't know.

[Luke]

It's a cool version. Yeah, okay, I agree. There's no human. There's no human creative element to AI.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Which makes it really funky and weird. I get that. But I don't know, guys, listen to this. Tell me what you think. Okay, here's. Here's a gangsters paradise in the sold out version. I don't know. Tell me if you think that this doesn't feel like real emotion, like raw emotion and stuff. Here we go. Can't you see. They're the ones we heard. Are you, Are you, you? And. I don't know. That's pretty good.

[Luke]

It's fun. But one thing people like about music is the human element and going to see someone live. Right, Right. That's, you know, I'm all for a lot of my life, so it's cool. I think it's fun. But I. There. It's going to miss that element where you can't, you know, go see someone.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Like a real human performing it. I get it.

[Luke]

And this is why I don't think AI. That's why I'm not worried about AI, because in the end it's just ones and zeros and there's no, it's, you know, there's no creative human element to any of it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I, I think the benefit of, of this, like I said, I see two things. One is the benefit of something like that is you can have all this really weird spontaneous creativity that I think can spur real artists on to say, oh, that's possible to actually do that. We can, we can outdo that. AI is never going to be to outdo humans in the area of art and things like that. It just, it just won't. But I think it can nudge human beings and artists along to say, hey, like, up your game. You Know your baseline is actually much higher than you think that it is.

[Luke]

Sure, Yeah, I agree.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. So I think that's one of the benefits of it. The other benefit, dude, I'm telling you the fact that you can take like chapters of the Bible, you can throw them into AI and say, hey, make it in this version of music. I wonder how that would do for you. Like your screamy, screaming music.

[Luke]

Like, yeah, like I've heard some AI.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Metal and it's not there yet.

[Luke]

No, it's hard to, it's hard to mimic that, that aggressive vocals.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah. So obviously it's going to get better and better. But I, I mean, I think I, I, I've already said, like, I'm gonna, I've already saved the Isaiah 53 passage. I have most of Isaiah 53 memorized already, but I saved the Isaiah 53 music and thought I've just, I'll just play this regularly and make sure that I have every wor. Isaiah 53 memorized. Because, you know, you can memorize things to a tune much easier.

[Luke]

Absolutely.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And also it's just really cool too because, like, you know, a lot of times we want to sing the psalms, but you can't maybe find the right feel, the musical feel that you're used to or that you really like. And so you can take like a psalm word for word, put it into AI and it can produce it in a style of music that you really enjoy. And there you go. We've got whole chapters of, of the psalms committed to memory memorized that you otherwise wouldn't actually do, like sit in front of it and just like memorize word for word. And so I just think it's fantastic. And I know, of course, you know, you know, people do the songs all the time in church and you have psalm only churches and they have it set to music. I get it. But, you know, not everyone's in a psalm only church and not everyone is doing that. And so I think this is a creative way to start memorizing scripture by adding it to music. I think it's fantastic.

[Luke]

Yeah, we're gonna, all the, like, psalms only people, like, they're gonna outlaw AI from worship now too.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right? All right, so joke.

[Luke]

I love you guys.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It was a joke before, before we go into the discussion for today, which I think you, hopefully you will find enjoyable. Wanted to actually, just as a fun thing today, go into some of the reviews of Apologia Church. I've, I never look at these things, but I did see a YouTube channel yesterday. My wife sent it to me of two brothers going through the one star reviews of Apology at Church. And it was. Did you see it?

[Luke]

No.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

She sent it to the group. We're in. It's actually, I'm totally missing. It's really funny. Those dudes are awesome. I love those guys. They just did a fantastic job. And it was. I was so I saw some of these for the first time as they were reviewing and I was like, oh, that's, that's interesting. Let's go through one of them. So this is a one star review of Apology at Church. And here we go. This is from Christian. I guess I'm saying that right. Christian Al Coker. I hope I'm saying that right. I apologize if I'm not one star. She says this. Pastor Luke. Bizarre and uncomfortable. Bizarre and uncomfortable. That was her experience at Apology.

[Luke]

Oh, she visited. Okay.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. Bizarre and uncomfortable, she says. And after reading other reviews, I'm not surprised others feel the same way. First you get this us versus them feel which comes through from the preaching as well. It's very negative and highly political.

[Luke]

Thank you.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, just like, I wonder what you mean by that because we might actually say, hey, that's good job. Good assessment.

[Luke]

This is a one star. I think she meant five.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, one star. I don't know. It depends on, you know, different flavors, different folks. Second, if you. This is good. You love this. Second, if you are uncomfortable with guns, you need to know that there are plenty of armed people among the congregants.

[Luke]

I was about to whip mine out, but I don't want to. I don't want to make anybody mad.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, for sure.

[Luke]

Welcome to the wild, wild west.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah. First of all, you're in Arizona. All right? So you got to get that straight. First, you're in Arizona and you know, this is a, a gun heavy state. But yeah, yeah, there's a, there's a lot of, A lot of innocent husbands, fathers, men that want to protect other innocent people. And so they carry, they carry weapons to make sure they can.

[Luke]

They also carry blades. Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's not just guns.

[Luke]

Christmas Blaze dot com.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Apologetic.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, definitely. I'm not going to disagree with this. There's a lot of. Plenty of armed people among the congregants. And so you're on notice. Anybody who would seek to do harm at Apologia, if you can't, if you come in, it's going to be the wild, wild west for sure. And, and great shooters. I mean, just experts at Apologia Church also, they celebrate communion every week.

[Luke]

Oh my Gosh.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And if you bring a minor, you need to know that they serve wine, not grape juice. Holla. Had they serve wine and not grape juice. Why do we do that, Luke? Why do we serve wine?

[Luke]

That's what Jesus did.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Because that's what Jesus did. And so, I don't know, Christian, I think your complaint actually is with Jesus because it was not grape juice on the table when Jesus was giving that he gave wine. God gave wine. So it's God himself who gave wine. And Jesus tells us to come and do this in remembrance of Him. So we do what he says. We're not going to alter what he's given to us. If he put one on the table, we're drinking wine. He put bread on the table, too, by the way, which is why we're not, you know, we're not doing soup or something, you know, like, just all. Just swapping it out for what we like. He put bread on the table, so we do bread, and he took. He gave us wine, so we do wine. That's exactly why we do it. And so she doesn't like it, though. And so she says this. There was no mention of it or prior warning. So if I would have brought my kids, they would have had alcohol for the first time, and I would have been very upset. Little thimble. So one of the things I don't like about what we do with communion nowadays.

[Luke]

Communion.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Communion. Is that it's just a little thimble. I mean, I think I'd like something a little more substantial, like a shock. Well, I don't know. I'm not saying like a huge vat of wine or something, you know what I'm saying? But it's just, you know, everyone gets a pour. It's bad. It's barely a mouthful. And, you know, I can say this for sure. No child at Apologia Church has ever gotten drunk off of the small thimble of wine. Some days we have some great wine, and some days, some not so great wine. Sometimes I'm like, that was delicious. That one had great legs. That one had great legs. Yeah, just swishing it around. But, yeah, not always. Sometimes we got good ones, we got bad ones. And so she's upset that she wasn't warned. I would say that. Don't we always say, the wine, the bread and the cup, the wine? We always say, you know, Jesus gave us wine.

[Luke]

Yeah, but I'm sure most Baptists say that, but they really mean grape juice.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I mean, I feel like the forewarning is, you know, that this Is the table of the Lord's communion, and Jesus is the one that put wine on the table. I think she had about 2,000 years of warning. You know, it's. It's been written down for a long time.

[Luke]

It has been.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, it has been. So it says. I did some research, and in Arizona, it's legal for minors to drink alcohol for religious reasons. Don't tell all the teenagers that. They'll be like, I'm just drinking this bottle of wine and the tequila for religious reasons. So she says, last but not least, the service lasted over two hours.

[Luke]

It's true.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

With the sermon being almost an hour.

[Luke]

That's a short sermon. It must not have been you.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I must not have been preaching today. It says in. In his sermon, the pastor mentioned more than once that the meek will inherit the earth. Right on. That's one of my favorite sermons to preach right there. The meek will inherit the earth, But I'm not sure how effectively they communicate a message of meekness, grace, and mercy when there's tension in the room and folks are armed with guns.

[Luke]

I sound like we were having a standoff in the middle of the, like. I mean, you got like the Hatfields and McCoys on each side. Like, there's just people walking around. What kind of tension are we talking about?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I don't know. I mean, I never felt like there was, like tension in the room. And, you know, we actually like the wine and we love to. I love the fact that children go up and take the bread in the cup. They take the wine, and that's a fan. That's one of the greatest blessings to see children who trust in Jesus going to that table to remember Jesus. And so I don't know. It's a one star review. I thought this.

[Luke]

Actually someone asked this question. That's a good, good question. They said, what about people that are in recovery? And, you know, why can't you do both? I'm glad you asked.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes, very. Yeah. It's interesting because when people ask that question, I think story they don't know where we come from. Right. Apologia church came out of a drug and alcohol rehab facility. So while I was the chaplain there, the pastor there, so many people were coming to Christ out of the rehab, out of the hospital, that it was clear that we needed to shepherd them full time. And so the church that I was at sent me and. And we planted apologia Church. I laid hands on pastor Luke, and we were the first elders of Apologia Chur church. And all we had at Apologia Church were brand new baby believers who had just come out of like, very serious drug and alcohol addiction. And somebody might say, well, then why would you give them a thimble of wine and risk them going back? And what we've said since the very, very beginning as well, first of all, Jesus is aware of drunks. And it was Jesus who put wine on the table, and he's God in the flesh. And he didn't say wine on the table. And everyone do this in remembrance of me, except for those who struggle with the idolatry of, of drunkenness or alcohol or whatever. God put wine on the table for a reason. So we're going to follow what God wants us to do. If you have a complaint against that, you should really submit that in writing to the Lord. And maybe you'll get a response, maybe you won't, but that's why we do it. But the second thing is, is what we have been very clear about is if, if, if you struggle with a thimble, like less than a mouthful of, of wine, then of course your problems are so much more significant than whether or not wine is on the table. And so I want to say that you need to be dealing with the idolatry in your heart first and foremost. And I think one of the best ways to deal with idolatry is worship itself and the worship of the true God. And so, yes, a lot of us all need our hearts to be fixed up. And I can assure you that if a thimble of wine that can barely fill your mouth will lead you off into drunkenness again, and then the problems are much greater, greater than just the little thimble of wine on the table. It's a major problem of idolatry. And the only way that's solved is through Christ, through the Gospel, but also through true worship, learning to truly worship God. And that's what's taking place at the table. That's true worship. And so I would say redeem that alcohol. You abused it, you made it idolatry. Now here, it's on the table here, and it's causing you to remember your Savior who saved you from your sins.

[Luke]

But, but we did actually do that early on. We did serve grape juice. And then we were like, convicted over it.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

Well, we were.

[Luke]

Yeah, we studied the Scriptures. And so there was one Sunday where we said, we're going to do both because a lot of people are convicted. It should be wine. But we understand there's the weaker brother. So we did two lines, and it was like 99% were in the wine line. It was like one person in the grape juice land. And we're like, well, we're not doing that anymore. Let's end of that. Yeah, yeah. True story.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Paul Romero, 1742, says, I was wondering if you read Brandon Robinson's book, if you could do a show on all of his blasphemy. Or is this Brandon Robertson, the. The gay pastor? I have not. I will look into that and maybe we'll actually invite him back on the show to have a discussion about his book. That. Thank you for. Thank you for the super chat, Paul. And we'll definitely look into that.

[Luke]

All right, that's our first segment of.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

All right, so we're gonna do a quick commercial break, guys. When we come right back, we're gonna talk about James Talarico, Texas representative, and his time on the Joe Rogan podcast. And so stay with us, guys. Make sure you hit all the buttons. Do the subscribe, do the likes, do the shares. Let everyone know about the episode. This is gonna be a fun one. We're gonna engage with. First a a short where he talks about taxing trillionaires out of existence. And then we're gonna go into the show itself. And so stay with us. We'll be right back. This episode's brought to you by ion [e-mail] go. Benefits the wellness benefits and longevity benefits of NAD treatments. NAD is nicknamed the Fountain of Youth for a reason. You have an abundance of this in your system when you're young. As you get older, it drops off. And now we found a way to get NAD into our systems. They do it through IV treatments, but they're very expensive and it's also extremely painful and difficult. However, Ion Layer found a way to get a high dose of NAD into your system through a medical patch you wear on your arm. You wear it for about 14 hours. You get a high dose of NAD treatment into your system and no pain at all. And it is a fraction of the cost of what you would pay for an IV treatment. In the coupon code, type in Apologia in all caps. They're going to hook you up with a great discount for an already amazingly cost effective product. And they bless Apologia Studios and help us to stay on the air and do all these programs with you. Don't forget. Also, Ion Layer has added a glutathione patch as well. Glutathione, the master antioxidant. Go check out the health benefits of glutathione. I'm doing this stuff Anyways, it's blessed my life in tremendous ways. And so if you want to focus on your health, wellness, and longevity, nothing better in my mind than ionlayer.com for your NAD and Glutathione treatments. Ionlayer.com don't forget to put apologia in all caps in the coupon code. Welcome back, everybody. All right, so let's get right into it. This is a. A short clip. This is him talking about taxing trillionaires out of existence. Here we go.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

The reason poverty exists in the wealthiest country on Earth is not because we can't feed the poor. It's because we can't satisfy the rich. Elon Musk is about to become the first trillionaire. He's about to make more money than every elementary school teacher in America combined. Do we really believe one man is worth more than every elementary school teacher? Why do we have a trillionaire when there are kids without enough to eat?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

This is just pure stupidity. I'm sorry. There's a man who makes more than all the elementary school teachers put together. And why does that exist? I don't know. Because of a very successful man who actually created really great things and provides jobs, jobs and food on the table of all those elementary school children. I would. You know, this is, this is where we've come now in the west, as we've gotten so far away from the Christian worldview and a view of a person's property as their property. And it fundamentally comes down to this. There in, in the Ten Commandments, there is. The commandment everyone's aware of is you shall not steal. So that prohibition against stealing taking somebody else's property has within it.

[Luke]

It.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

The heart of that is the acknowledgment that people own their stuff, that their stuff is their stuff, and it's not your stuff. And so this guy professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ. He professes to believe the Bible. You're going to see some of that in a minute here. And yet he is, is just sort of picking and choosing what he wants to believe about the Bible. Because one of the fundamental parts ethical beliefs of Christians and of course the, the Jews, the early Jews, was you shall not steal. And again, within you should not steal is the understanding that that person's stuff belongs to them. It does not belong to me. It does not belong to us. And so it's really important for us to get that down and not be emotionally manipulated. And all of this stuff is just an erosion once again of the Christian worldview and God's Law, because this is teaching people to be covetous, to covet their neighbors things. That's all this is. This is not Christianity. This is not righteousness. This is not good for everybody. This is training people to despise another person because they own these things. And actually that should belong to all of us. If it doesn't belong to all of us, it needs to belong to the government at least. Nobody should own their own stuff. And so, again, it's difficult for me to wrap my mind around somebody who says, I believe in Jesus, I believe in the Bible, but they don't believe in the prohibition against stealing, which is really what this is promoting, is that somebody else's stuff should be my stuff. I can take it. I can take it when I want. I can take it by force. I don't like that they have all those things I want to covet, that. Coveting is not admiring a person. Right. And man, that person is great at what they do or I really admire the fact that they were able to build that or have those things. I want to have things like that. Having things like that, that is not coveting. Like, I want to have things like that is not coveting. Wanting their stuff is actually coveting. And that's what this man is promoting.

[Luke]

Is it safe to assume that he is in the Austin district?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I'm actually not sure which district. We can look it up.

[Luke]

I don't know how anyone of this flavor could get elected in Texas unless they were from Austin. Well, we're gonna look this up right now.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, look it up.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

Why do we have a trillion when cancer patients are going bankrupt? Why do we have a trillionaire when veterans are sleeping out on the street? I'm all for success, but this is not success. This is hoarding.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

No, it actually is success. He's Presbyterian, is he? Probably PC usa. Yeah, he's one of the pukas. This is actually. This is success. And we need to thank God for people who build things and are so successful at building things that they do establish wealth on this level, because wealth on this level actually blesses society. Wealth on this level blesses people's lives. Wealth on this level gives people jobs, stable jobs. Wealth on this level actually feeds people's children. Wealth on this level actually helps people's kids to go to college and to get further education. It helps kids to actually establish their own wealth. And so it actually is success. And when he says hoarding, there it is again. You can hear it in the background of that noise. Hoarding. What's that mean is that I don't like that you're so successful. Like, I don't have a problem with success, but just don't be too successful. Don't be too good at what you actually do. Because what you're doing is you're so successful. You have so much stuff. I want some of that stuff, and I want other people to have some of that stuff. Well, you don't change the nature of a society's level of poverty, and they're falling into poverty by stealing stuff from everybody else. The problem of poverty is the result of a fallen world. Of course, some people hit hard times. Some people make foolish decisions. But I would say the vast majority. I would say the vast majority of poverty is wrapped up in the question of slothfulness and laziness. People ultimately don't want to work. Now, I know. I'm not saying it's not true. I know people hit hard times. People have providential hindrance. They get sick. There's difficulties. We're not talking about those things. We're talking about the vast majority of people who are in poverty. Why are they that way? And I would say if people actually read and applied the book of Proverbs and lived that out in terms of work ethic, laboring for profit, not just talking about doing things, but actually doing them, being like the ant, just continuing to work, overcoming obstacles. If we live that way, then, you know, we would take a lot of people out of poverty. And so the problem of poverty goes far beyond. Far beyond what he's suggesting here.

[Luke]

And I'm no prophet, but I nailed it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

What was it? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was gonna. If I was a betting man, I would have said so. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

What leads a person to accumulate more money than they could possibly spend in a hundred lifetimes when there are people starving in this one?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So what leads a person to accumulate more money they could spend in a hundred lifetimes? I don't know. Maybe you could be like the kind of person in the book of Proverbs that said, where it says a righteous man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren. You could be trying to accumulate wealth to bless the world. Do you know? I would say. I would say, do you know how Elon Musk spends his money and donates his money? How many acts of benevolence he does with his money? Do you know? Are you aware of all that? And should we chastise him for that because he's got so much stuff, he can actually distribute more and more? Is it wrong for someone to be so successful in creating so many businesses, they create so many jobs, jobs, they bless so many lives. Is it wrong for someone to live a life like that? And the answer, I would say from scripture, of course, is not at all. Now, it is the love of money that is the root of all kinds of evil. No question about that. People, you know, make an idol out of money, they worship money, money becomes God. There's no question that that's a problem. But there's. There's a cliff on each side. There's the worship of money, the idolatry of money, and then there's actually a righteous use of money and establishing wealth and all those things. And I would just like to note something very, very important for this professing Christian representative from Texas. It's Jesus who gives the parable of the master and the talents and the servants. And it's Jesus who in the story says that the master gives a certain amount of bags of gold to one servant who's able to work with that, and then another certain bag, and then another who just buries that. And when the master comes back in Jesus parable in the story, when the master comes back to settle the accounts, and he sees that this servant with the bags of gold turned it into massive profit, he blesses him, calls him faithful servant, and puts him in charge over more things. And the same with the second servant. But when he gets to the lazy and unprofitable servant, he chastises him and condemns him. Lazy and unprofitable servant. Why? Because he was given gold. He was given gold that he just simply buried. And there was no profit, there was no interest. And what did the master want? He said, I should have at least come back and gotten interest on my gold. You unprofitable servant. You had this thing, I gave you this gift, this money, this talent, and you simply buried it. You should have been like the others that took the money that I gave to you and multiplied it and turned it into more profit. Now, of course, there are layers to that parable. The first layer is money. God is saying there, with your money, if I give you money, make sure you make it profitable. Make sure you make it work for me, and it increases. Is that wrong to be successful with God's money when he tells you, here's your money, make it profitable, make it work more. And so there's a layer there, of course, of it's about money, but of course it's also about more. We recognize that the gold there, the talents that God gives to the servants could also be in terms of your own gifting, your own talents, your own calling. Don't bury it. God expects you with the gifts that he's given to you to turn that into profit and success. Success. And so don't believe the charade. Don't believe the mask. In terms of I'm a Christian, but now I'm going to import all of these communist or socialist or unbelieving concepts into all of this and manipulate people's emotions. By the way, I want to say that if we had a lot more successful people with a lot more expendable income, we'd actually be able to, through personal benevolence, address the issue of poverty and hungry kids better than if we start poo pooing success. Nobody be this successful. Well, I want to say this. If nobody is really successful, there's less expendable income to go around to take care of with benevolence. The poor. And I would also say that in scripture, this man professes to be a Christian. In scripture, the duty of caring for the poor is something that has to be personal. It has to be benevolent. And ultimately it comes from the church and the people of God. It does not come from the state. It is not the role of the state in scripture to be the benevolent one, the one that's actually stealing from others to feed these ones. That is something that has to be personal. It's voluntary. It's the people of God, it's the church. So I want to say that that's where scripture puts the foundation of this and not in this way. You're going to hear more here.

[Luke]

You know who, who this guy should call Ghostbusters, Dominion Wealth. This guy should check out Reform Money. They'll straighten them out.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

They will for sure. Here we go. Here's more from this guy.

[Luke]

Guy.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

Reason poverty exists in the wealthiest country on earth is not because we can't feed the poor. It's because we can't satisfy the rich. But what we can do.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Well, one of the reasons that poverty exists in the west that was so bad, all these platitudes. One of the reasons that poverty exists in the way that it does right now is because the government is funding the poverty. And you have people that live essentially permanently, Section 8 and off of food stamps. And they just anticipate that the government is going to help me to survive the government. I don't have to be creative. I don't have to build things. I don't have to work hard. I don't have to Be responsible because the government itself is going to feed me and be my parent. And so actually it is the government and the government taking everybody's money and trying to solve these problems that actually maintains the problem in perpetuity. Because, I mean, tell me that you, you, you've never heard of somebody who, like, lives in Section 8 and they live on food stamps. They even sell their food stamps for cash. You never heard that person talk about how this. They just expect it. They just believe that it belongs to them. They're just going to have it. As a matter of fact, when the government shutdown recently happened and people were being threatened with no longer getting their, their food stamps, what, you started seeing threatening videos from people saying, if I ain't going to get my food stamps, if I ain't getting my paycheck, I'm going to, we're going to raid these stores, we're going to rob these grocery stores because we're, we are owed this. We're owed this. Well, who gave, who gave that impression that you're owed this? Who gave that impression? Men like this, that the government's role is to satisfy those needs. And so poverty and what keeps it around, stuff like that.

[Luke]

That's why socialism doesn't work. And that's why socialism will not work in this nation. Because of the guns. Bring it back to the first segment. But it won't, it won't work. And, and that's the right. That's why. Because you're going to get riots.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's right.

[Guest Speaker / Theologian]

Is tax trillionaires out of existence. And use, and use that money to guarantee food, health care and housing for every single American.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

You heard, you heard him say it with his own mouth. He said it loud and proud. Loud and proud. They want, want, they want to tax trillionaires out of existence. Tax them out of existence. So what is that saying? It's saying we will punish you for success in their version of what is a utopia. In their utopia, nobody's allowed to be successful, truly, not really, because your stuff doesn't really belong to you anyways. It belongs to everybody. So thou shalt not steal, really, you know, is a meaningless prohibition because everybody owns everyone else's stuff ultimately. And so we're going to tax you out of existence, meaning we're going to stifle all passion for progress. We're going to stifle all passion for success. We're going to stop all of that because if you get too successful, we're going to punish you for it. And here's how we're going to punish you for it. We're going to take it. We're going to take it. I mean, this is like literally, what's the difference? What is the difference between this man's thinking and the robber who does the home invasion and comes and takes all your stuff? What's the difference? What's the mindset? There is no difference in mindset. It's not different than the man who's just coming into your home at noon on a Wednesday armed to take stuff when the government does it with a fancy pen. Like, there's no difference. Yeah. One climbs over your. Your back gate to come into your back door to steal stuff, all right? And one signs away your stuff to everybody else through fancy pin. I get it. It looks very different. One looks a lot more violent. The only reason that the government doesn't look as violent is because they, they cover the violence. They cover the violence. They sanitize the violence in terms of forcing you to give up your stuff. And so this man literally said, loud and proud, he said, we're going to tax trillionaires out of existence. Which means he is saying, read between the lines, okay? Define it.

[Luke]

It.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He is saying, we will steal from the rich to give to the poor. We're going to punish you for your success and we're going to steal from you to give to everybody else. That is precisely what this man is saying. Don't be fooled by it. Because it's in a fancy suit with well groomed hair and I don't know what they did to color this thing, but it looks like AI.

[Luke]

Everybody keeps saying that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It looks literally like AI. Um, but, you know, don't be fooled by this. A robber is a robber is a robber. A thief is a thief is a thief. This is thievery, this is stealing, and he is promoting it. We're going to tax you out of existence, meaning we are going to use force upon you. We're going to exercise might upon you to take your things, to steal from you, to punish your success, and to take your things by force and coercion and give them to everybody else. Here's a new ethic. This is the new polished Texas Austin ethic. Right? Look, I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian and I just believe that we should be able to steal. That's all. I'm a Christian who believes that we ought to be able to steal from one another. That if somebody's very successful and they've got lots of good stuff that we should, we should take their stuff and do it by force, the government will take it. And so that's, that's exactly what this was. And it's not appealing to anybody who actually loves God's law or is actually a Christian. So we got another break.

[Luke]

We coming up on break two minutes. We just got a really great super chat. So.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

All right, so let's, I'll introduce this clip and uh, then we'll come back from this break and we'll go right into it. This is about 23 minutes into the Joe Rogan podcast with James Talarico. Lots to, lots to engage with on this podcast actually. But we're going to deal with the first portion. And this is related to Mary and God requiring her permission to, to conceive Jesus God.

[Luke]

It's one of the worst things.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He had to have her permission first. And anyway, so we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna watch this, this sloppy game of biblical eiseges and then we'll engage a little bit with it. And so stay with us guys. Make sure you do all the things like and share and send this off across dim Internets. And we'll be right back after this break.

[Luke]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Welcome back everybody. James Talarico on Joe Rogan. This is his conversation about Mary and God needing her permission to conceive the Messiah. Here we go then.

[James Talarico]

As full and equal people is a huge part of the Jesus movement, especially the early church. And then the last I think story I would go to is the story of Mary. Mary is probably my, my favorite figure in the Bible, the mother of Jesus. And you know, she's an oppressed peasant teenage girl living in poverty under an oppressive empire as a Jew. And she has a vision from God that she's going to give birth to a baby who's going to bring the powerful down from their thrones, going to scatter the proud. Who's going to send the rich away empty.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I mean this, by the way, just for clarity here, it wasn't a vision, right? It says in Luke chapter, chapter one, starting verse 26, in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you. It wasn't a vision. It was an actual appearance.

[Luke]

How do we know she was oppressed?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Well, I guess he's saying because she was, you know, under the Roman Empire or something. But yeah, it was, it wasn't a vision. Just a little. Just a little. Correct.

[James Talarico]

This revolutionary song that she sings is called the Magnificat and it's actually been banned by certain authoritarian regimes because it is so radical. But I say all this in terms.

[Luke]

Everything he says is just loaded with.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

All the liberals, all the leftist liberal theologian stuff. This revolutionary song, this revolutionary song. All right, here we go.

[James Talarico]

In context of abortion, because before God comes over Mary and we have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent, which is remarkable. I mean, go back and read this in Luke. I mean, the angel comes down and asks Mary if this is something she wants to do. And she says, if it is God's will, let it be done.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, none of that happened.

[Luke]

Nope, not there.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

You know, here's the problem. When you're going to twist the scriptures like this in order to, to justify the, the, the murder of preborn human beings. And you shouldn't invite people to read the story like he did. You know, it's in Luke. Read it in Luke. Because the angel doesn't ask her, is, is this something you like to do, Mary? Would you like to be maybe hold messiah in your womb? That. That never happens in the story at all. All. And have that pulled up. Yeah, I got the text right here. Yeah, so here's, here's the actual story, man. The manipulation is just, is mind boggling. It says in the sixth month we read all the part. And so he said, he came to her and said, greeting, greetings, O favored one. The Lord is with you. But she was greatly troubled at the saying and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. God. And here it is. Ready? All right, here's. Here's the angel saying, is there something.

[Luke]

You want to do?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

What do you think, Mary? Here's actually what the angel says. Angel goes, and behold, you will conceive. You will conceive in your womb and bear a son. And you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father, David. And he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. And of his kingdom, there will be no end. It needs to be put down that this moment with Mary is not something that was a surprise to the Jews in terms of that this was going to take place. Because all the prophecies that existed hundreds of years before this event takes place specifically tell the people of God that Isaiah 9, 6, 7, that is God Himself who's coming as a son and as a child. That the virgin will conceive and bear a son. He shall be called Immanuel. God with us. That it was going to be one who would come, who would reign on the throne of his father, David. And he would bring all the tribes, the tribes, tongues, people and nations all to God. That all the families of the earth would return to worship Yahweh, that the knowledge of God will cover the earth like the waters cover the sea, that he would have dominion from sea to sea, from the river to the ends of the earth. The Lord said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. Rule in the midst of your enemies. Those were prophecies that this messianic figure was coming into the world. He would be the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. He would be the mighty God coming to rule over his people with a kingdom that would have no end. And by the way, it was the angel Gabriel. Same angel that comes to Mary in Daniel, chapter nine, that comes to Daniel to tell him exactly when Mashiach is coming. Literally when. Start counting down the days to when Jesus appears. And so this is no surprise where the angel is going. Excuse me. We've got this idea. Look. God wanted me to come to you, and he wanted me to ask how you might feel if you consent to this, how you might feel about carrying this messianic king who's going to bring salvation to the ends of the earth. I mean, we'd like to know if you're up for it.

[Luke]

Mary, we don't need any legal battles with no consent from you.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So. So, I mean, that's not at all what happened. The angel is coming and says and you will, and you shall call him, and he will be called. And Mary said to the angel, how will this be since I'm a virgin? All right, that's the first thing. She's not resistant going, let me think about this. Let me. I'm not sure. She's, how's it, how's this going to happen? I'm a virgin. I've never been with a man. And the angel answered her, the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the child to be born will be called, called holy, the Son of God. Does that sound like permission is being asked of anybody there? This is the angel Gabriel coming to say, this is what God's going to do in you. This is what this. You found favor in God's eyes, and this is what's going to take place. And she's like, well, how's that going to happen? That's all she's saying is, well, how's that going to happen? Because that's not physically possible. I've not been with a man. And so the angel says, this is what God's going to do. God's going to do this. And, and then here's what it says. It says, and behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son. And this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren, for nothing will be impossible with God. And Mary said, behold, I'm the servant of the Lord. Let it be to me according to your word. I'm the servant of the Lord. Let it be to me according to your word. Your word. There's no asking of permission from the angel. And Mary is not going, you know what? Let me think about this. All right, I consent. That's not what's taking place here at all. And nobody in their right mind that cares about actually reading the text for what it actually is would suggest anything different. And I want to also say that this is really important, that the Scriptures are abundantly clear about God as having all power. I just read at the beginning of the. Of the. The show today at Daniel, chapter 4, verse 35, that our God is in the heavens. Scripture is clear with this. He does all that he pleases. And in Daniel 4:35, it says this, that he does according to his will. He does according to his will among the hosts of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth. And no one can stay his hand and say, what have you done? So does that sound like this is a God who needs permission from anybody to act and to move as a good God and a holy God in his own world. What, what does this man's view say about God? That God needs the permission of his creature to bring about his good purposes in the world. That's not what's taking place here. This is such an abuse, it's such a manipulation. And this kind of evil comes. You know, Satan in scripture is called an angel of light. I was just thinking about this on the way in. Actually, Satan's called an angel of light. We have all the portrayals, you know, most of those are modern innovations. The portrayals of Satan, you know, the red skin, the devil horns, you know, real scary, you know, fang teeth and those sorts of things. You know, really ugly. It's like the movie. What's that movie? I was, I was thinking about Satan in this way because I was a kid. I was like, oh, that's scary. The movie legend with Tom Cruise. Remember that? In the 80s. Do you ever see that? If you haven't seen that, you got to see that. Oh, dude, it's got Tim Curry who plays like the devil.

[Luke]

I don't remember that.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, Luke.

[Luke]

I probably wasn't allowed to watch it.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Your kids, your kids are gonna love it. So yeah, there's, there's this, you know, Tim Curry is, is just, it looks, it's just Satan, right? There's, you know, big devil horns. The portrayal of Satan. Scripture doesn't put it like that though. In terms of Satan. Satan is called an angel of light.

[Luke]

He's beautiful.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Beautiful. If he appears, he ain't scary looking in terms of. I mean, other than.

[Luke]

Probably look more like Tom Cruise than.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He's not scary looking. In terms of how people try to portray Satan as scary looking. Satan is an angel of light. If he appeared, he appeared as an angel of light. Very beautiful. Now, other than the normal human reaction you see throughout scripture when angels appear and there's fear, of course there's that, but not fear. Because you're scary looking angel of light. And when these kinds of evil things come into the world, they come into the world oftentimes like this, with the mask of Christianity, the well groomed hair, looking sharp, looking clean and using biblical language and just manipulating the text. The text says nothing about Mary having to give consent and the angel asking her if he, if she would like to participate in this. That's not how it happens. But maybe this gentleman thought that you wouldn't actually go looking at the text. Maybe he thought that he could manipulate most people and deceive them by into thinking Something that's actually not in the text because they wouldn't actually go read it for themselves. Maybe that's the case. Not exactly sure.

[James Talarico]

Let it happen. So to me, that is a, an affirmation in one of our most central stories that creation has to be done with consent. You cannot force someone to create. Creation is one of the most sacred acts that, that, that we engage in as human beings.

[Luke]

Wow.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

The manipulation of the narrative.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Creation requires consent. Okay, who's arguing against that? Like when married couples are having sex and, you know, potentially creating human life. Like, we all know that we're a part of this together and all of that. Yeah. There are examples of procreation that are abuser and victim. And that's, we're talking about rape, and we're going to get into that in a moment here. But outside of that category of rape, we all understand that we are consenting to have sex and that sometimes the consequences for some people, they didn't intend was we created life. And sometimes it's purposeful in terms of we're trying to create life. Either way, people understand how babies are made. All right, but when he says, like, it requires consent. Here's what's important to note, that the vast majority of, of abortions that are taking place, we're talking like over 98% of them are taking place at will because I don't want a baby. I don't want to have this child. I have a career. I want to make more money. I'm not ready for this. I don't want this baby. I hate this baby. Whatever the case may be, we're talking about 98% of these abortions are at will because I simply don't want the baby. Here it is. That I've already created. Yeah, that's the point. We have abortions because abort. Because we've already created. We've already created. It's already taken place before the abortion. And just the way this man manipulates the language is trying to muddy over all of that. And you know, we, we, we require consent for creation. I get it. And in the category of rape, that's, that's, we have to have that discussion. But abortions in this nation are taking place because people want to kill their babies, because they don't want to have their babies anymore. They've already created life and now they don't want it. Yeah, they've already created it and now they don't want it.

[Luke]

Well, I was, I, I, I mean, I understand the point. He's trying to me and it's dumb. You just say that. But I understand why he's saying it. But just for the record, our first parents didn't have any consent to be created.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

True that.

[Luke]

There was no consent there. It was the first creation.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's true. And God just is the creator of life. That's exactly right.

[James Talarico]

But that has to be done with consent. It has to be done with freedom. And to me, that is absolutely consistent with, with the ministry and life and death of Jesus. And so that's how I come down on that side of the issue. Again, I'm very open for my fellow Christians to disagree with that. And they may have scriptural passages they point to to be anti abortion. And I think that's a debate that we should feel comfortable having. All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be assumed that just because you're a Christian, you are anti gay or anti abortion because there are so many Christians out there, there who don't subscribe to either of those policy positions.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes, there's a lot of professing Christians who reject what the scriptures say about homosexuality, about adultery, about slavery, and of course, about the unjust taking of human life. There's a lot of professing Christians who pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible. What those. I agree with that. I don't agree with that. And this gentleman, I believe, is absolutely one of those people.

[Luke]

Men. Yeah. Well, and this is what, this is what blows my mind. The question Rogan asked him was how he can be a Christian and pro abortion. That was his answer. Like, I was, I listened and I'm, I'm like, where, where was your defense of abortion in there right now? Okay, so let's go back to the consent for creation. You want to play the argument? Okay, now the baby didn't consent to being created. The parents consented to making a baby baby. How about consent to death?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right.

[Luke]

Does the baby get a say in whether or not they should live? But apparently the parents do. The parents get it, saying that whether they want the baby or not, but the baby doesn't get consent there.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, that's a fantastic point, Luke. A human being in the womb is a distinct human being from mother and father. It's a distinct human being. So what this man is actually saying is that it is the larger human beings that can oppress the smaller human beings. Let's draw a circle around it's ageism. Right? But, but what ages, what age is the, is the best age, right? What age is the age where you get all the rights that can't be ultimately answered. But we draw a circle over a larger human beings and older human beings. And we say they have all the rights, right, they have to consent when something's going to be done to their body. But the human being in the womb has no right for the same rules of consent against them. And that needs to be in front of us at all times, because humanity is filled with this in our history. We're human beings, we draw circles around ourselves and we say we can have, we'll have all the rights, we'll have all the justice. But these human beings over here, we'll throw them away. They look like humans, they're not humans. Let's oppress them, let's kill them. We've done it in slavery, we've done it in multiple examples of genocide in history. It happens even to this very day. People will kidnap and enslave people, put them in sex trafficking. And what are they doing? They're drawing a circle around their group and they're saying, we can impress you, you, other human being. We'll take you. We'll do things against your own will. We'll do things to your body that we want to do. And you don't have any say in that. Well, how come? Because, well, we've decided that we're the important ones and you're not. This is just. All of human history is like this. And, and this is being done in a fancy suit with well groomed hair. And it's, it's against innocent and defenseless among us. That's what's taking place.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's a lot of nuance if you're, if you're talking about abortion.

[Luke]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Because you're not just talking about a woman's right to choose, but you're also talking about rape and incest.

[James Talarico]

That's right.

[Luke]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're talking about a woman's right to choose whether or not she carries a baby when it was not her choice to begin with.

[James Talarico]

That's right. And it's why I think that almost everyone in this country is pro choice to some extent, because the polling indicates that the vast majority of Texans, the vast majority of Americans, support exceptions for rape, incest, or threats to the mother's health.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I've had arguments with people that don't support that though, which is interesting. They say the argument that they give is that two wrongs don't make a right.

[Luke]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know, it's a crazy argument because they're even talking about it with.

[James Talarico]

Underage Girls, but at least they're consistent. Again, if, if you believe that a fetus is a person.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Now, there you go.

[Luke]

Let's.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Let's go there. That's true. They. At least they're being consistent. So Joe's asking good questions. He truly, truly is. And it needs to be noted. And this is just a, this is just a consistent statistic across the board. It has been for a long time that the numbers for rape, incest, and life of the mother and the total number of abortions that take place over a million a year in the United States of America, the rape, incest, life of the mother, are generally less than 2%. Less than 2% of all abortions, which means we're like 98 plus percent are at will. Because I don't want to have this baby. I hate this baby. I. I want to have my career. I want to do this thing or whatever the, the reasons are. They are just because I want to take the life of this baby. I don't want this baby. Baby. Then you have the tragic situations that come up where it's rape, incest, and life of the mother. Those need to be addressed, but they have to be addressed consistently. So what I would say just very quickly to incest is I, I have known a number of people who are the products of incestuous relationships. I went to high school with people who are the products of incestuous relationships. And they were lovely people. And I don't think we should kill them. It's not their fault. It's a tragic thing, no question. If we actually employed God's law in our culture and society, we could actually address those sorts of things with criminal penalties. But it's not the fault of the child. And so, no, we do not oppress and harm children. That's a distinct human being. It's not their fault. They don't deserve to be penalized with capital punishment because their parents sinned in that way. And so that's the first thing. I don't believe that we should kill my friends. Okay. The second thing is, when it comes to rape, we have to ask the question. If we're going to be consistent about it, we have to ask the question at the front, what's wrong with rape? Now, I want you to know that one of the things in my life I'm the most passionate about is my utter hatred and despising of rapists. I think rape is, is one of the most horrific, horrendous, evil things that happens in this world. And I believe that rapists deserve to die.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And it'd be a very, very quick trial, and they deserve to die. I believe that we need to amplify our system of justice against rapists, pedophiles, those sorts of things. It is a disgraceful, despicable thing in this world. And so I want to make sure I say that up front. But we have to ask the question in terms of the question of ethics, what is wrong or what is evil? What is happening that is evil in rape? And I think everyone has the same answer. You're doing things to another person's body against their will, against their permission. You're taking liberties with a person's body that you have no right to take. And so when we think about what is the evil inherent in rape, we're all saying the same thing. You cannot do things to another person's body apart from their consent, apart from their own will. You can't take liberties with their body apart from their own will. Human beings can't do that to other human beings. Okay, and so let's now move into the discussion further. What's taking place in abortion that's the result of rape? Well, what are we doing? We're doing to the child the very evil that was done to the mother. What was done to the mother that was so evil, so despicable, so disgraceful? We are now perpetrating upon the child the innocent, defenseless victim. So if it was evil for the rapist to do that to another person's body apart from their will, then why are we now creating a second victim and doing it to the baby? Here's the point. You already have one victim in rape. You already have one victim. You don't solve the problem of a victim by creating a second victim of the defenseless, innocent human being in the womb. You can't solve that problem now. It's a fallen world, and evil things like rape happen in this world. So what do you have to consider? The victim's rights? Protect the victim, punish the evildoer. So what we shouldn't do is give capital punishment to the baby. We should give capital punishment to the rapists. We should surround the woman with love, with support, with encouragement, with protection. And we should go ferociously after rapists. And we should give, here's an idea. The rapist, the death penalty and not the child. I personally know human beings who are the product of rape, and they are lovely, amazing human beings. I met a little girl this past year. Beautiful, precious, beautiful little girl. She was the product of rape of a teenage girl that was Raped by a boy, I believe, at a party. And thank God a Christian couple came around. This girl blessed her, took care of her, loved her, and that girl was blessed and happy to give their, her child up for adoption, to be loved and cared for by a loving family. And guess what? Now we haven't extended the problem of victims. Now it's turned into actually a story of joy and blessing in the midst of tragedy and evil. But you don't solve the problem of a victim by creating another one. So what leftists and liberals like this guy, pro choicers and pro aborts like this guy would say is you've got the problem of rape. So they capitalize on the emotional weight of that and they say, well, let's give capital punishment to the baby. But what's amazing is I, I, I'd be willing to bet, I mean, dollars to donuts, nine times out of 10, when you talk to these leftist pro choicers, these pro boards that are all for let's kill the baby, that's a product of rape, they're also against capital punishment for the rapist. Generally speaking, they're against capital punishment for the rapist, but they're for capital punishment for the baby.

[Luke]

Baby.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So talk about inconsistencies. Ask these pro choicers, are you for the death penalty and what are you going to get most of the time? No, not for the death penalty. Oh, okay. Not for the perpetrator, but for the baby. Right, the baby gets the death penalty. How did we lose this? How do we lose our minds like this? Where we're opposed to the death penalty for rapists and child abusers like that, but we're for, or the death penalty for the innocent baby in the womb. How'd we get there? And very lastly, just say briefly, this whole thing of women and the life of the mother, you know, when there's a problem pregnancy, in rare instances of a problem pregnancy where the life of the mother is truly in danger, what we do is we go to the hospital. You go to the hospital where the physicians treat two patients, the mother and the baby. And I know doctors, I know a doctor who works in an emergency room and has to deal with sorts of these sorts of things in an emergency room situation. And he said what we've always heard from doctors through that, throughout all of this, this controversy is that at no point in a problem pregnancy where the life is truly at risk is the solution to kill the baby. Yeah, it's a rescue mission, it's a rescue operation. You remove the child and sometimes, yes, in removing the child in this fallen world, unfortunately, you remove the child, the child can't survive outside the womb. We get that. It's horrible. It's tragic. It's painful. It's very, very painful. But the solution is not to kill the baby. Chop it into pieces, abort the baby. No. When you have a situation like that in modern medicine today, you're looking at two patients and it's a rescue operation where they're trying to save two lives. And unfortunately, you're not always able to do so. But when you're trying to save life, it's the preservation of life. You're not just going in willy nilly to kill the child. You're trying to preserve both lives. And you know where you go? You don't go to Planned Parenthood. You go to the hospital. You go to the hospital. So final words. I think we're out of time.

[Luke]

Yeah, we're out of time. Yeah. So just a couple of things. Want to thank the rest of our sponsors, of course. Bradley Pearson, Heritage Defense. If you homeschool your children, please go to heritage defense.org and sign up your family. Be protected from three letter agencies. That's heritage defense.org and you can put apology in the coupon code. Get your first month free. And you still have time to get stuff for Christmas from our store. So shop.apacheStudios.com we just added a bunch of stuff for Christmas. I'm excited about out. And you still have time. Go get it. I think that's all.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Is that everything? Right on. Also, big shout out to Matt Rockets. Matt, thanks for that huge. Thank you for that huge blessing and the super chat. Let's see here. Let's see. Cade said. Where did y' all get that Calvinism poster in the back? I want that on my wall as well.

[Luke]

Had it made. Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Hey, go. Have you guys. I haven't. That's. That's such a great film. If you guys haven't seen that yet, the film is Calvinist. Our friend Les Lanfear, he made that film. It's got all kinds of, you know, really cool guys in it. And it's called Calvinist. Go watch that documentary. It's. It's actually really good. I haven't seen that in years. In years.

[Luke]

Yeah, me neither.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, it's a good one. All right, Jinx. So everyone, don't forget, do go to endabortion now dot com. Everyone, help us to meet our goal for 2026. Everybody, we have bills taking place across the country to abolish this. Like I said, we just got word we're getting Illinois. I'm so grateful to God for that. We got other states taking place, other states that were getting on the ground to. To work things out, to get those bills in.

[Luke]

In.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So much is happening. Lives are being saved and changed literally every single day because of end abortion now and your participation with us. So go to endabortionnow.com, please give there, Donate. Help us to get to our goal. Yes, I'm talking to you. We need prayer. We need your support. We're on the ground in your state, but we also need you to financially help us to get to our goal. It is a great need. It's substantial. It takes a lot, and we're a very, very small team. We're a very, very small team. Takes a lot to get this done, to pull this off. We need your support as a church. This is a mission of the church. It's all about the gospel. Gospel and bringing the word in conflict with this. And so thank you, everybody, so much for standing with us. That's the bear.

[Luke]

Peace out and Merry Christmas.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Merry Christmas, everyone. I'm the ninja. And everyone, run on over to apologiastudios.com I'm gonna do a quick after show, examine some more of this from the Joe rogan podcast. So apologiastudios.com sign up for all access and join me on the after show. I'll be over there in just a few minutes.