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553. Stranger Things & Truly Loving Our Neighbors

Fri Dec 19 2025

Join us for the newest episode of Apologia Radio in which we engage with some comments from the star of Stranger Things, Maya Hawke, on Jimmy Fallon. We also take you through some incredible stories that will warm your soul and bless you. Tell someone!

Summary

Episode Summary: Apologia Radio #553

Title: Stranger Things & Truly Loving Our Neighbors
Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Jeff “the Ninja” Durbin, with Luke “the Bear” and co-host, joined by special guest Augustine "Domino" Durbin

Overview

This end-of-year episode centers on the ongoing fight against abortion, highlighting the ministry’s achievements, the personal stories behind saving lives, and a Christian response to current pro-choice rhetoric in pop culture—specifically referencing "Stranger Things" star Maya Hawke’s public comments about abortion. The team reflects on the meaning of loving neighbors, celebrates a decade of their ministry, and calls for continued commitment in the new year.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflections on a Decade of Ministry Impact

Movement Growth: Over 1,000 churches (mostly in the U.S., but spreading globally) have joined the "End Abortion Now" movement.
Direct Impact: “Tens of thousands” of babies' lives have been saved due to their work. (14:44, Jeff)
International Reach: The ministry has expanded into Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Germany, and other countries, equipping churches to fight abortion with the gospel.

2. Personal Stories: The Fruit of Faithful Action

On-the-Ground Ministry: The team shares powerful testimonials from women who chose life after encounters with the church at abortion clinics.
- Notable segment: Divine’s story, who credits the church’s support and resources for giving her the courage to keep her son Oliver, the first boy in her extended family. (31:35—38:40)
Historic Testimony: Retelling the story of Carmelo, the first saved baby brought to their church, stemming from providential interactions outside an abortion clinic (41:28).
- "If we do it and we just save one life, that is truly a life well lived and a ministry well spent." (38:40, Jeff)
- Tina (Carmelo’s mom) expresses deep gratitude for having her eyes and heart opened by the ministry’s intervention. (47:34)

3. Cultural Engagement: Response to Maya Hawke’s Pro-Abortion Comments

Media Clip: Maya Hawke (from “Stranger Things”) describes on Jimmy Fallon how her mother’s abortion was necessary for personal growth and career advancement. (16:33)
Christian Critique:
- Jeff and team counter the argument, comparing it to ancient pagan child sacrifices for prosperity:
  - “If I hadn’t killed my first child, then you wouldn’t exist... That child was a sacrifice. It was a worthy sacrifice... It’s just such a crazy thing to say...” (17:14, Jeff)
  - “What makes it different than Moloch worship?” (18:23, Jeff)
- The shift in language from "murder" to "healthcare" is highlighted as a dangerous rebranding.
  - “We’re changing the terminology now... from murder to health care..." (20:33, Co-host)
- The concept of “healthcare” is examined:
  - “Healthcare is about the preservation of life... In no other circumstance in the healthcare industry are they focused on the destruction of human life.” (22:37, Jeff)
- Critique of narratives around “abortion-free states” and the real challenges post-Roe v. Wade. (23:47–27:10)

4. Exhortations & Encouragement to the Church

Not Finished Yet: Despite progress nationally, abortion continues—and has even increased in some contexts due to do-it-yourself pills.
- "Brothers and sisters, please, please, please do not allow these pro-life organizations to lull your conscience into just being indifferent…" (27:35, Jeff)
Moving Forward: Calls to continue equipping churches, supporting with prayers and finances, raising awareness, and practical ministry.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Gravity of Sacrifice for Convenience:
- “It’s just such a crazy thing to say... because put it in any other context, it makes no sense... In order to make this family work, we’re going to sacrifice your brother... That’s crazy selfishness.” — Jeff (18:08)
On Ministry Motivation:
- “If as a church, we do this every day... and we just save one life, that is truly a life well lived and a ministry well spent. And we meant it.” — Jeff (38:40)
On the Difference True Love Makes:
- “There’s nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change. And we can’t make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what’s right. And what’s right is saving lives and making a positive, impactful change...” — Divine (37:12)
On the Uniqueness of Christian Action:
- “Don’t go to abortion mills, it’s too in your face... but there’s babies being dismembered behind those walls. I have to go. It’s about the gospel... It’s about rescuing their souls and the babies.” — Jeff retelling Carmelo’s story (41:38)
On True Healthcare:
- “Healthcare is about the preservation of life, protection of life, advancing the comfort of life. It’s never about the destruction of life.” — Jeff (22:37)
On Perseverance for Justice:
- “We are not close to done... If the church doesn’t fight... it’s going to get worse than it ever was during Roe versus Wade.” — Jeff (27:55)

Important Timestamps

Year in Review + Ministry Updates: 05:29–16:33
Maya Hawke "Stranger Things" Clip & Analysis: 16:33–23:47
Response to Pro-Choice Arguments & Abortion Realities: 23:47–31:35
Divine and Oliver’s Story (Testimony): 31:35–38:40
The Carmelo Story: Historic Life Saved & Ministry Moment: 41:28–48:36
Outreach Expansion—Irish Church Involvement: 52:26–54:36

Final Thoughts & Calls to Action

Focus on the One: Listeners are encouraged to remember and fight for the individual story—the one life—rather than be overwhelmed by statistics.
Get Involved: Churches and individuals are urged to join, be trained, or financially support the ministry at endabortionnow.com.
Ongoing Battle: Despite victories, the fight is not over with continued threats of legal abortion through new constitutional amendments and increased access to abortion pills.
Seasonal Message: The team expresses gratitude, wishes listeners a Merry Christmas, and promises big plans and a renewed focus in the coming year.

Tone & Language

Intensely personal, serious, and urgent—interspersed with moments of humor and warmth (especially in interactions with Augustine).
Language is direct and uncompromising regarding abortion, frequently referencing scripture, Christian ethics, and historical parallels.
The mood is hopeful yet sober, with constant reminders of the stakes and gratitude toward supporters.

Memorable Sign-Off:
“Merry Christmas, everybody. That’s Luke the Bear. I’m the Ninja. We’ll catch you next year right here on Apologia Radio.” (60:27)

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Jeff the Ninja (1:14)

Non Rockabotus must stop. I don't want to rock the boat.

Augustine 'Domino' (1:18)

I want to sink it.

Luke the Bear (1:22)

Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

Jeff the Ninja (1:28)

Delusional. Yeah, delusional is okay in your worldview, I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being del. Calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.

Augustine 'Domino' (1:38)

It doesn't really hurt.

Jeff the Ninja (1:40)

She hung up on me. What?

Luke the Bear (1:45)

What?

Jeff the Ninja (1:46)

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

Co-host/Ministry Partner (1:59)

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies, not to make brosephs.

Jeff the Ninja (2:04)

Right?

Co-host/Ministry Partner (2:04)

Don't go into the world.

Jeff the Ninja (17:15)

Hard, hard, hard, hard to hear something like that. Hard to hear that talking about such a beautiful story, a beautiful story of her ending the life of her child so that she could get what she ultimately wanted. And um, with Herman of course is a fantastic actress and really amazing, skillful actress. And as skillful as she is and amazing as she is, I would say a person that works that hard and is that good at what she does can do it also without killing her child. Yeah, for sure. You don't have to kill your child to be successful in this life. And that's what's being argued here. But also obviously, I mean, all of us can see, right, the holes through all of this. Like, wait a second, wait a second, second. If I hadn't killed my first child, then you wouldn't exist. And so that child was a sacrifice. It was a worthy sacrifice. Ending the life of that child so that you could live it was a worthy sacrifice. It's just such a crazy thing to say, you know, because put it in any other context, it makes no sense. Like, okay, let's imagine that both of them are born, okay, her and her sister or her brother, right, were already born, and they hit hard times and it's hard for Uma to work things out. And so she says, well, in order to make this family work, we're going to sacrifice your brother, your older brother, your older sister. We're going to kill them so that you have a better life. I mean, what kind of selfishness is that? And this is, this is what's being praised, this is what's being supported. This is being lauded as virtuous as is. Is kill that. Kill the child as a sacrifice so you have a better life where it's better for all of us. And, and what makes that different is the question. What makes it different than Moloch worship? What makes it different than the sacrifices, human sacrifices to baal? You know, we think about times past where the pagans were taking their children and throwing them into an, you know, a furnace or sacrificing their children. You know, the atheist mocks those people way back then, you know, oh, they thought that by throwing their child into the fire or dismembering their child and offering their child as a blood sacrifice, they thought that they would, they would appease the gods and they would have better crops. I mean, that's really what they were doing. Like, if we, if we sacrifice our child to Moloch, then we're going to have better crops, we're going to have more financial success, our life is going to be better. So what's different, though we mock that today to say, how stupid are you to think that killing your child was going to affect somehow the, you know, environment so you'd have better crops, you know, but what's different in that and what happens today? It's just a different spin, right? Well, she wouldn't have had what she had in her career. She wouldn't have had such a successful life. She wouldn't have such great financial success if she hadn't sacrificed her child. It's the same thing. It's just a different point in time. And the God looks a little bit different, right? You know, the one God you can see because it was a fiery furnace and you heated this thing up, it was right in front of you. It was giant. There's, you know, it's easy to see that God. It's. It's less easy to see the God that's being worshiped when someone says, you know, I would have had, you know, not as good a career, I would have not been as successful or had such Great financial success. That God is invisible. It's in the heart, but it's still a God. It's still a false God, and you're still sacrificing a child for it. And it really is an incredible thing to see someone saying all these things with a smile on their face. A smile, yeah, I'm praising.

Jeff the Ninja (22:37)

I'm happy you said that message. Yeah. The narrative, I mean, think of how the selfishness involved in it. Like, you know, people aren't gonna be able to pursue their dreams and have Their careers. Well, you know, fundamentally, you know, take responsibility for your orgasms is what Charlie Kirk said. Right. Like, you know, you know, don't, don't do the deed, and the child doesn't need to suffer because, because of, you know, your irresponsibility and your selfishness, which is where we're at. And this is all said with a big smile on the face. And there's, there's the narrative. And, you know, health care, it's, it's incredible when people call it healthcare, of course, because healthcare, we realize, is the preservation of life and bringing comfort to life. So, like, you know, you're really sick, you go receive health care so you can be healed and feel better. Right? So the doctor's goal is to make this life better. And then when healthcare gets into the harder circumstances where, like, there's a car accident or something like that, or there's an assault, it's about repairing life, preserving life, protecting life. And so it's always about life advancing life, being better. It's all about comfort for the page, the patient in front of you. But this is such a, an amazing world of selfishness where it's about the destruction of human life. One else in healthcare. Does a doctor focus on the destruction of human life? Never in healthcare. Healthcare is about the preservation of life, the protection of life, advancing the comfort of life. It's never about the destruction of life. And yet they've taken this narrative, they slapped the title of healthcare on top of it, but it's about literally the destruction of life. In no other circumstance in the healthcare industry are they focused on the destruction of human life. So how is this health care? It's not health care because we're focusing on killing people. And, you know, it's always the emotional buzzwords that, that people throw out on this issue that you have to just pay attention to and not allow to affect you because they're just bad arguments. Like when they talk about the life of the mother. Ask any doctor, Ask any doctor, when the life of the mother is truly in danger, what does the doctor do? He doesn't focus on killing the baby. If the life of the mother is in danger, then you have two patients and the goal is to preserve life, the life of both. Pat. And what? And what, what do they do? I talked to my friend who's a doctor in emergency, an emergency room physician. He said at no time in all of my career as an emergency room physician, when a woman comes in and her life is somehow in danger, and the rare instances where it's somehow in danger because of the pregnancy. He said, at no point do we think as emergency room physicians, I gotta kill the baby. What we do is we, he says, we take the baby out. We take the baby out. That's what we do. We remove the baby. And obviously, you know, if the baby's like in the, in the twent, in the weeks of the 20s, you have a chance for that life to actually survive outside of the womb. It's tough. I spent two and a half months inside the NICU and it's really hard to watch. And it's a very, very tough circumstance. God bless those nurses inside those NICUs, man, they are living a hard, hard, difficult life. It is constant complications. However, by God's grace, we live in the time with so much technology that we can save these lives. And so what happens when the life of the mother is in danger is they take the baby out. And sometimes, yes, in trying to preserve both lives, they take the baby out and the baby doesn't survive. But that's not intentional. That's not intentional. They're working on the preservation of life. So this whole narrative, it's just like slap these, these words on like health care. Everybody wants health care. Oh, the life of the mother. It's like, okay, let's talk about that. At what point do you have to kill the baby to save the life of the mother? We're not trying to kill the baby, trying to save lives. It's just a fiction. It's just a fictional narrative. And we have to overcome it because it's still happening. Here's what I wanted to get across a little earlier. I'm gonna say it again, reiterate it. It's still happening, brothers and sisters. It's still happening. And so that's why we need you to join with us again in 2026, because it's still happening. We still have to save lives. Where they're being taken at the abortion mills, they're being killed all over our, our cities in, in, in Arizona. It's happening around us this very day and it's probably happening in your area. There are very few states in the union right now where they've halted the abortion mills. But even in those states, you still have the pills. You have do it yourself abortions, all happening right now. It's criminalized nowhere. There are no abortion free states. That is absolutely a lie. And the abortion numbers are ready going up after Roe v. Wade's downfall. And so that is a fact. Roe v. Wade goes away and these pro life organizations are saying, oh, we have abortion free states. Not true. And, and they talk about the successes. Why are abortion numbers going up? Because of do it yourself abortions and the pills. That's what's taking place. And so, brothers and sisters, please, please, please do not allow these pro life organizations to lull your conscience into just being indifferent towards this or think or just jaded towards it or think somehow that, that we're done. We are not done. We are honestly not even close to done. We have, we are getting closer to justice in particular areas, but we are not close to done. They're still, they're still killing babies every single day. And we still have every single state in the United States of America with legal abortions for women to some degree or another. And some of the, some of the, the enemies of this movement, I'm talking about the pro boards and the pro choicers, they're working right now for abortion in states in the constitutional amendments from from conception all the way to the ninth month. And so it's, it's, there's a good chance that the church doesn't fight against this and stand up and really speak consistently against this. It's going to get worse than it ever was during Roe versus Wade. And that's the truth. That's not tinfoil hat stuff. That is just what we have to face. You have to know that they're working hard to do what they did in my state in our state and in states like Ohio, constitutional amendments where they have this abortion access all the way through nine months, the whole way. And so please stand with us. If you guys would go to endabortionnow.com give there to get to our budget goal for 2026, we need a little over a million dollars is what we need to pull off everything we have to pull off for 2026. We're talking about all the churches, all the lives saved, all the media, all the advancing there and of course the states that we're working in to save lives via bills of abolition. We're going to take a quick commercial break. Guys, stay with us. We got more to play for you guys. Inspiring stuff, encouraging stuff. Be right back. Stay with us. Don't forget to share the content. This episode's brought to you by ion layer@ionlayer.com Go and check out the health benefits, the wellness benefits and longevity benefits of NAD treatments. NAD is nicknamed the Fountain of Youth for a reason. You have an abundance of this in your system when you're young. As you get older, it drops off and now we Found a way to get NAD into our systems. 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And so if you want to focus on your health, wellness and longevity, nothing better in my mind than ionlayer.com for your NAD and Glutathione treatments. Ionlayer.com don't forget to put Apologia in all caps in the coupon code. Welcome back everybody to Apologia Radio. Don't forget to subscribe and to share this. Let everyone know about what's going on through our work together with End abortion now and all the lives being saved. I wanted to again thank you guys for joining us on this show today with my special guest, Augustine. What's up Augustine? Welcome back. How you doing? I like your, I like your, your, your fit today. Looks good. It's very pumpkiny, very pumpkiny fits this time of year. It's very good. I like it. How you feeling? Enjoying being on the show? Yeah, Good. Right on. All right everybody, so I want to play this for you. If you want to see what it looks like when the church goes out to save lives, I want you to see this story because truly is incredible and I'm so thankful for it. Here we go.

Luke the Bear (31:35)

They slept great through the night, great through the day. Well, eaters, I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held. Barely ever cries. I feel like I was blessed and because I made a really positive and good decision that God blessed me with a really good baby. My name is divine. And then this little guy right here is Oliver and he is seven months old. Initially what took me out to the abortion Clinic was with my last pregnancy I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum. And that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant. And it put me out of work and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances. So it was really probably money issues, I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting. And I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter and. And I also was adopted. So I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on. And when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief. When I got there too that day I was experiencing a lot of over emotions and I was overwhelmed, stressed, and I just didn't really, really know which way to turn. Probably also a little numb, I want to say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion. So I was conflicted. And when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really want to go through with having the abortion. And so when I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but it told me that you needed to do walk in appointments only. And when I got there they said they told me you needed to call and make an appointment. So they actually had no walk ins available. And it was about an hour drive from my house, so I would have to go home and find another way to come back. So it felt in a way like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do. And then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic and asked me to roll my window down and I did. And then we had a nice conversation about why I felt the way I did about having an abortion and where in life and what it was I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries because we were short on rent and stuff because I was already getting sick and I was only like eight weeks pregnant. And they helped me out that week with groceries and then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them. And so it was more me being adopted and just talking about the other routes that I could take that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know no matter their struggle and mine was only with money that I could still keep my son. It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been. I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we were struggling, but ultimately I would have come to the decision. I. I think that I would have kept him anyway. But the way my life is going right now, with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial because if it would have went any other way, he wouldn't be here or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him. I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect. He resembles a lot of his sister. They both took on the date, the 12th of the year. So he didn't want her to be the only star in my life. And then he copied her with the helmet. He's moving and growing so much, and then I can get to see him and work with him every single day. So I couldn't imagine life any other way. He is actually the first boy in my family on my side, from my grandparents. So my dad is thrilled. He now has a fishing buddy and everybody else just loves him. Everybody's squish. What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait and to look into resources in your community, in your churches, that can offer you some help, no matter what. The issue is whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young, that you have to tell your parents or your grandparents or your guardian, whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you. And you can feel that love before you even take a test. And everything through them is brand new. And it just remind you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around. I was adopted growing up. My birth parents were in and out of jail. But there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change. And we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what's right. And what's right is saving lives and making a positive, impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

Jeff the Ninja (38:40)

So there you go, one of so many stories. You've heard me say it so many times that when we started this ministry, we had said, if as a church, we do this like every day, if we go out every week to go out and go to the abortion mill and to give the truth and to offer to love them and help them and to serve them. If we do it and we just save one life, that is truly a life well lived and a ministry well spent. That's truly what we saved and we meant it. And lo and behold, look what God has done. Not only has Apologia Church locally been responsible for hundreds of lives saved, but in us encouraging you to walk this with us and equipping you, and you guys going out and all these churches going out, you have so many lives saved, lives just like Oliver right there. So many children are threatened today by abortion. And I recognize and you've heard me preach on this and talk about this all the time too. I know it's hard for us to comprehend. It's hard for me to comprehend. It's not like I see it. It's not like I fully feel the weight of it. Every day I have to try to constantly remind myself of. Of the consequences of not doing what Christ calls us to do. And that is to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. That if we're not there, if we don't keep fighting, if we don't keep working, that the consequence is lives ended permanently. And when we go, lives are saved. When we go to these different states and get bills of abolition, we're getting closer and closer to establishing, establishing justice once and for all for these children. And so thank you again for standing with us, guys. Go to endabortionnow.com to give. Can I show you guys this one, though? This is from the sermon that shocked everyone. This is. Feels like many years ago now at this point. This is 10 years ago. Yeah, one of our most viewed sermons. 11 years ago, one of our most viewed sermers on YouTube. 3.6 million views. That's just on YouTube. And it's because. It's not because. Oh, what a wonderful sermon. I hope it was blessing, but it's because what happens at the end of this sermon, that's why this was such a popular sermon. It's about 45 minutes long. But really the. What everyone was watching it for was what's taking place right here. So here's the story, August. There's a really cool story here about how we were at the abortion clinic where they're killing babies and how we were able to see God save one of the babies. I'm going to play that right now. Okay, so this is the story of Carmelo, and this is where we actually bring Carmelo up on stage as well.

Augustine 'Domino' (41:28)

We have videos that go around the world to all the cults, religions and outreach to atheists and things like that. But I'm going to share this with you. We're told this, don't go to abortion mills. It's too in your face, it's too abrasive, it's too risky. Don't do it. It's not the way you reach those women. And I said, but there's babies being dismembered and disemboweled behind those walls. I have to go. It's not about just going to rescue a baby. It's not about protesting. It's about the gospel. It's about rescuing their souls and the babies. So we go and over the Last year, over 30 babies now saved from death at abortion mills. Oh yeah, One day I go and I pull up and there is this hardcore pipe hidden atheist outside. He brought a girl in and so he's out there talking to my people. And I walk up and he is fire breathing atheist fire. He is yelling, screaming, fighting. And I walk up and he's like, I see the air is taken out of everyone there. They are just like, right. He's like, I hate you guys and I hate what you're doing here. And I'm gonna stay out here just to stop you from talking to these girls. I'm gonna stay out here just for that. So I get in, I started talking to him and trying to love him and be gracious to him, but just. I said, where are you coming from? You an atheist? He said, yeah, I'm an atheist. And I said, well, so you believe we evolved through simpler biological processes all the way up to where we are now? He says, yeah, yeah, evolution. I said, okay, great. So what's wrong? Why are you here? Why are you complaining? He said, I think it's wrong. I said, no, you already gave that up. You're stardust, I'm stardust. Stardust. Bumping into stardust doesn't make a difference, does it? You're just a bag of biological stuff and so am I and so are they. So what are you so concerned about? I said, I think you're acting inconsistently with what you say you believe. I think you're an image bearer of God and you know the God that I'm talking about. And your problem is not knowledge of God or light. It's sin like it was for me. And I gave him the story of the gospel and he kept coming back and I kept taking his legs off, kept coming back, kept taking his legs off, preaching the gospel to him. And at the end of this whole discussion. After two hours of fire breathing Dragon, he says to me, you know what? I don't agree with what you're doing. And I still disagree. I still disagree. But I gotta tell you something. I really like you. He really likes me. After I just told this guy to repent and believe and come to Christ for eternal life and peace with God. And if he doesn't, he's gonna perish in his sins. And he really likes me. So you can do it with love and grace and compassion. This is what I'm share with you. The story's not over because this atheist was there in the providence of God. Because I got to preach the gospel to him, because he was right in that spot. My friend Justin, who was with me, was worn out, was so worn out that he decided to walk away and around the building to the front where he weren't at before, where you can see outside Planned Parenthood to look. Just because this atheist was there and just because he was wearing us out, Justin was in his head praying to God. I think, God, I'm done. This can't be effective. This is too crazy. It's too much conflict. This can't be good. So he gets a sign and the sign says, please don't hurt your baby. We'll help you. And he goes to the front where the doors are, where you can see out. He stands there and he plants and he's praying, Lord, it's just worthless. I'm not coming back. I can't do this. And just that moment, because the atheist was there in the providence of God. And Justin walks to the front with his sign that says, please don't hurt your baby. We'll help you inside. Planned Parenthood was a man named Chris. And Chris was praying in his mind while his wife was in the back getting ready in pre op in the lobby. God, if you want me to do something, give me a sign.

Jeff the Ninja (48:36)

So that was Carmelo. And just to take you back. When we started doing this ministry, we were a really small church, and it really was a small group from within a small church that was going out to do the abortion male ministry and to do it consistently and faithfully. There was really just a handful initially, and this was the first baby that we were able to save that came to our church. And so, like, months after this, Tina brought Carmelo to church. And that. I will never forget that night. I will never forget it, because not only did it motivate more members of our church body to go out and start doing the work, because it's like, oh, my goodness, this is really happening. We really are saving actual lives. But to see, like, the look in everyone's faces. I remember as, as. As Tina was passing around Carmelo to Like, you know, different. Different members of our church body. I just remember looking at everybody's face and. And everybody having tears in their eyes and holding on to this baby that wouldn't be alive had our church not invested in this. And so, like, that's what we're doing. That is what we're doing. And I didn't make this up. I didn't make this up. I learned this. R.C. sproul Jr. In the film Babies Are Murdered Here has a part of that film where he says that it. There's no way for us to fully be able to comprehend or wrap our minds around a number like 60 million plus babies dead. Or to say even this number, which is. I mean, it's. It's over a million babies a year are killed in this nation via the abortion mills and the pills. We. We don't really quite know how many just because. Do it yourself abortions and the pills and being able to track all of that, there's no way. There's no way to get a real fixed number on that. But Sproul said in the film babies Are Murdered here, he said, you can't think about it as a million plus a year or 60 million plus babies. You have to think about it as one baby at a time. You do. There's just no way for you to be able to comprehend beyond that as just a creature. And so that's. That's. My mind goes to.

Jeff the Ninja (52:27)

They are very different than American Covenanters, just. And just the greatest, sweetest people on this planet. I mean, truly some of the best human beings I've ever met in my life. And I truly mean that. So. But I was going to do apologetics, like the Defense of the Christian Faith, to train them on apologetics. And so like, I did the conference and I traveled all of Ireland and I spoke at like their seminary and different churches and things like that. It was all apologetics. But while I was there, I learned that Ireland is one of the last standing Christian nations that's still called abortion murder. And it was criminalized in both the north and the South. And, and so they asked me, they said, can you help us? Because right now they're trying to pass something in the south, in the Republic where they are trying to decriminalize it and allow it in the north, we're being threatened with that as well. And so I return from Ireland for this, from this apologetics thing and I tell Luke, I'm like, hey, they really need us there. And they said that there's no churches doing what we're doing in Ireland and fighting against this with the gospel. And so they brought us back. And so we worked with that denomination and it's dozens of churches in the north and in the Republic. And we were able to help them and equip them and, and challenge them to do the work that we're doing. And unfortunately in the south, in the Republic, they decriminalized abortion and now they're killing babies there. And in Northern Ireland it was forced upon them and now it's happening in Northern Ireland as well. And you need to know this, if you've been doing this with us since the beginning, you've been giving, you've been praying for us, you've been joining together with us at the capitals and things like that, you need to know this, that because of this work, this end abortion, now, because of this ministry, we were able to raise up in Ireland, Northern Ireland, in the Republic of Ireland, Christians to do this work, to save lives. And so right now, now they're saving lives in Ireland as the church. And I don't even know how many. I haven't checked in with them a while. How many babies have been saved through that work?

Jeff the Ninja (55:01)

I gotta get going, actually. Let's, let's, let's go, let's go ahead and wrap it up here. Let's, It's. I think we did. We've done enough today to, to update everyone and to hopefully encourage everybody. I want to thank you again, everybody, for being a part of this ministry with us. I'll just say one last time, go to endabortionnow.com to give there, help us to make our budget goal for 2026. Brian Hepner, I'll let you do the other stuff. Luke here. Brian Hepner said, are you ever going to write a book or do a commentary series? I'd love to read your work. You know, I've talked about that before. I don't know, I think there are things that do want to write on. I, I, if I write on anything, it's going to be on addiction and it's going to be on Kingdom of God stuff, Law of God stuff. But to be honest, I've said this Brian before, or there are. I just stand on the shoulders of giants. I don't know that I have many original thoughts, even of my own. I mean, I stand on the shoulders of real giants in history. And I truly believe, and you've probably all heard me say this ad nauseam at this point, that some of the best works have already been written and you just need to read those and then get about the work. Everyone needs to do the work. And I know that it's valuable to have books and things like that. I'm not diminishing the value of that. And guys that feel like the God's calling write a book. And I'm not diminishing that. But in terms of like the main parts of my heart, my passion, those works are already done. Like, I can't outdo Dr. Bonson's works. On apologetics, I'm not going to do. I'm not going to outdo his work. Yeah, nobody can. I can't, I can't add to the value of his work or I can't outdo the great works that have been written on post millennialism or theonomy. I can't outdo those. Like, am I going to outdo Rush Dooney? I mean, no, I think maybe people can condense his work to make it a little simpler to digest. That's possible, but I'm not going to outdo that. What I think you need to do is read those great works. I mean this best stuff on Reformed theology already written hundreds of years ago. The best stuff on Calvinism already written hundreds of years ago. Best stuff on post millennialism, the best stuff on theonomy, the best stuff on presuppositional apologetics already written. You just needed to get about doing the work, reading those books and then get out and start applying that stuff. And so I don't know, maybe it'll happen someday. I do have stuff I've already started on a book of addiction because I think that is an area where there's not enough books in terms of really using the word of God to engage that issue consistently, the issue of addiction. So maybe that, I think maybe that would be something I would feel led to say it's worth the investment of time. But that's where I think. I think what's more important for us right now is that everyone gets to work. That's what I think, Luke.