562. End Times & The Iran War. Is It Connected?

Summary

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Apologia Radio Episode 562: "End Times & The Iran War. Is It Connected?"

Date: March 6, 2026
Hosts: Jeff Durbin ("Jeff the Common Ninja"), Luke ("Luke the Bear")
Theme: Gospel Driven, Hard Hitting, Culturally Relevant

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Episode Overview

This episode examines the current U.S. military conflict with Iran and explores whether recent events are connected to Biblical end-times prophecies, particularly those involving Iran (ancient Persia) and Russia. The hosts scrutinize prevailing interpretations among evangelicals about Ezekiel 38-39, discuss just war theory, constitutional questions about the conflict, and challenge popular dispensational teachings linking current events to eschatology. The tone is both passionate and incisive, calling for careful Biblical exegesis rather than reactionary, sensationalized prophecy claims.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. War with Iran: Moral, Legal, and Biblical Analysis

• Contrast in Political Leadership

  • The hosts highlight a stark difference between Trump’s assertive approach to Iran versus the perceived indecisiveness of previous administrations.
  • They discuss recently declassified or reported operations, including advanced military technology and direct military actions (Delta Force raids, use of neurological weapons, etc. [11:00–12:37]).

• Presidential Justification and Military Operations

  • Trump’s rationale: Iran’s decades-long hostilities, including attacks against Americans and attempts to gain nuclear weapons.
  • Trump (impersonation/clip):

    "Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people... Iran is the world’s number one state sponsor of terror." [13:53–18:16]

• Just War Theory Explained

  • Jeff introduces “just war theory”: Wars should be defensively motivated, based on clear threats or direct attacks, and carried out by legitimate authority.
  • Key Quote:

    "We shouldn't be engaging in conflicts where we're not specifically threatened or attacked. We should be doing warfare based upon self-defense... in the past we've taken a lot of flack for that." – Jeff [24:15]

• Constitutional vs. Legal Basis of Military Action

  • U.S. Constitution vests declaration of war in Congress, but modern legal frameworks have broadened presidential powers.
  • Doug Wilson is quoted: “There’s constitutional, and there’s lawful... Technically yes, it's lawful, but it's not the way the Constitution intended.” [20:48–24:15]

• Critical Reflection on Past Wars

  • The hosts urge critical thinking about government narratives, referencing misinformation post-9/11 (e.g. Iraq WMDs).

  • “We’ve been lied to. You're, you lied to the American people. You literally sent troops over there and it was on the basis of a false narrative.” – Jeff [39:52]

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2. The End Times, Iran, and Prophecy: Exegesis vs. Assumption

• Dispensational Premillennialism and Iran Prophecy

  • Discussion of how every Iran-related crisis prompts claims of end times fulfillment, especially via Ezekiel 38-39 (Gog & Magog, Persia/Iran, Russia).

• Analysis of Popular Prophecy Claims

  • Pastor Greg Laurie’s statements reviewed:

    “…there’s a large force to the north of Israel identified in the Bible as Magog that will march against her in the end times. And one of the allies of Magog…is Persia, now known as Iran.” [55:11–57:17]

  • Jeff challenges the assumption that these are unfulfilled, showing the historical context and Biblical fulfillment in Ezra and Esther.

• Critique of “Literal Interpretation”

  • The hosts point out the inconsistency in supposed "literal" readings when confronted with clear ancient imagery (swords, horses):

    "You can't say this is future to us…and then when it doesn't happen that way, or even look remotely like it, say, well, it's all symbolic. Like, which is it?" – Jeff [58:38–61:53]

• Textual Comparison: Ezekiel, Ezra, and Esther

  • Jeff details how the events and spoils described in Ezekiel are historically realized in Ezra's account of the Persian return and rebuilding; no need to force future fulfillment.

• On Biblical Prophecy Speculation

  • The hosts repeatedly warn against projecting news onto Bible passages:

    "Should Christians be looking at the news and then trying to impose the news upon their Bibles? No, we should be focusing on evangelism and discipling the world." – Jeff [78:47]

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3. Eschatological Sequence: Questioning the Standard Narrative

• Pastor Greg Laurie’s “Prophetic Calendar”

  • Greg Laurie posits a familiar sequence: Rapture → Antichrist → 7-Year Tribulation → Second Coming → Millennial Reign → New Heavens/Earth. [70:43–75:18]

  • “As far as I can see, the next event on the prophetic calendar would be the rapture of the Church... After that comes the emergence of the Antichrist... and then... the great tribulation period that lasts for seven years, culminating in the battle of Armageddon.” – Greg Laurie [69:01–74:37]

• Host Rebuttal to Standard Eschatology

  • Jeff and Luke state:
    • The language of "the Antichrist" is unscriptural (John says “many antichrists” in the first century).
    • Nowhere does Scripture say there is a single seven-year tribulation—this is a harmonization, not textual evidence.
    • They call out proof-texting, urging careful exegesis and Biblical terminology, especially regarding “the Beast” in Revelation.

    "There's the beast and he has a number...and it ain't 6, 6, 6; it's 666, which spells Neron Kaiser, Nero Caesar." – Jeff [71:52]

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4. Geopolitics, Military Operations, and Media Narratives

• Military Progress and Technology

  • Details of B52 bombers over Iran, destruction of Iranian navy assets, and high-tech retrieval of downed pilots recounted.
  • The significance of real-time warfare visuals and public messaging is discussed. [44:24–49:40]

• Discussion about America as "Israel's Lap Dog"

  • Rubio and hosts push back on the idea that American intervention is merely serving Israel's interests, citing ample reasons for direct U.S. involvement (terrorism, attacks, etc.). [36:12–39:09]

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5. Pastoral and Missional Conclusions

• Evangelism and World Discipleship
  • The hosts argue current events should be understood in the context of the ongoing expansion of Christ’s kingdom (“every enemy under His feet”), not as signs of imminent apocalypse. [77:31–78:51]

  • "...this toppling of this evil, tyrannical government regime frees up the country for those million Iranian Christians to evangelize the nation and Iran becomes a Christian nation. Yeah, that sounds like fulfillment of end times eschatology in 1 Corinthians 15." – Jeff [77:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On FBI technology

  "Trump acknowledged that...we got a weapon like that. He couldn’t give details...but we have that weapon that...will microwave your brain." – Jeff [12:14]

• On misunderstanding prophecy

  "What Pastor Laurie is doing is just assuming his interpretation, not proving it...he’s using a moment like this of war to tell everybody that now this is some sort of connection to end times prophecy." – Jeff [66:18]

• On the church’s mission

  "We should be focusing on evangelism and discipling the world." – Jeff [78:47]

• On the trajectory of history

  "Iran too will be placed under Christ’s feet...It's just on its way to getting under the feet of Jesus." – Luke and Jeff [78:49–78:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:44] – Current U.S.-Iran war context, just war questions
• [13:53–18:16] – President Trump's address and military justification
• [20:48–24:15] – Just war theory, constitutional vs. legal authority
• [27:34–32:01] – Reflections on 9/11, skepticism of government war narratives
• [35:17–36:12] – Rubio on US motivations, preemption vs. reaction
• [44:24–49:40] – Recap of military operations and technological highlights
• [55:11–57:17] – Greg Laurie on Iran, Magog, and prophecy
• [58:38–61:53] – Literal vs. symbolic interpretation critique
• [66:32–69:01] – Linking prophecy passages: Olivet Discourse & Ezekiel
• [70:43–75:18] – Standard dispensational timeline critiqued
• [77:31–78:51] – Final conclusions: the dominion of Christ and mission focus

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Candid, earnest, occasionally lighthearted and self-referential
• Urges critical thinking, careful exegesis, and skepticism toward both media/political sources and popular eschatological systems
• Calls Christians to prioritize faithful, Biblical interpretation and global discipleship over sensational, fear-driven prophecy speculation

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Summary for New Listeners:
This episode tackles the confusion around war, prophecy, and end times by rooting the discussion in Scripture rather than hype. The hosts provide needed clarity on Iran’s biblical role, challenge popular prophecy teachers, explain just war theory, and encourage believers to focus on Christ’s kingdom and the call to disciple the nations, rather than being swept up by every world event or media scare.

Transcript

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Marco Rubio]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Pete Hexith]

What?

[Luke the Bear]

What?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Pastor Greg Lori]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke the Bear]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke the Bear]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Luke the Bear]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

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[Pete Hexith]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God. And those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed. And those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority. Then do what is good and you will receive his approval. For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain, for he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore, one must be in subjection not only to God, avoid God's wrath, but also for the sake of conscience. And so there you go. That's Romans, chapter 13, everybody. What's up? Welcome back to another episode of Apologia Radio. This is the gospel heard around the world. I'm Jeff the common ninja and that's Luke the bear over there. What up? We would like you to go to apologiastudios.com when this is all over. Go sign up for All Access. When you guys sign up for All Access, you get everything that we want to bless all of our partners in ministry with the full episodes of Collision, the Apology Academy, the after show stuff, all that's there to bless you. We have more coming this year. Very excited about what God is is going to allow us to do this next year with Apologia Studios. We're going to be rebooting a lot of things, adding some new stuff. So I'm very excited. And so for now go to apologiastudios.com get access to all the past episodes of Apologia Radio. Shiologians provoked cultish. It's all there for your listening pleasure. And don't forget, also if you haven't done this yet, you know me, I'm always saying this all the time, but I want to remind you, you have full free. One of the greatest giants of the Christian Faith in History, Dr. Greg Bonson. His entire life's teaching, his seminary courses, his lectures, his teaching in church, his training in biblical exegesis, in history, his debates, everything is there. It is top tier theological education given to you for free through the Bonsen family, through us to you and of course as provided to you for free by all the access partners that are in ministry with us. And so all you do is go to apologiastudios.com Sign up for your free Bonson U account and top tier theological theological education available at your fingertips for free for you. If you haven't done it yet, make sure you do that. So we're back, very excited about talking about this particular episode. Iran and the end times. What does Iran or Russia have to do with the end times? If you are into eschatology. And you've read, you know, late great Planet Earth, how Lindsay, Tim LaHaye, those guys, if you were listening to TBN, especially in the late 90s, you know all about this. This has come up over and over and over and over again. The Iran connection, Gog and Magog, Ezekiel 38 and 39, Russia, all that stuff, the hook and all that stuff. You know, that's a big discussion. And every single time something happens with Iran, the, the Internet floods with the new videos. It's the end. The rapture is about to take place. Iran. And you know, Rosh, doesn't Rosh sound like Russia? It must be Russia. Even though it doesn't mean Russia, it means chief or head or whatever. And so anyway, a big discussion happens all the time. And so we're going to talk about Iran, the war with Iran. We're going to play through a ton of clips here with Trump and dealing with the issue of Iran. We should ask the question as Christians, particularly us, who believe in just war theory and is it just to go to war with Iran? Did President Trump execute this in a constitutional or legal way? Is it right to do? Can Christians support this? I mean, a lot of questions. I know there'd probably be a lot of disagreement as well. We're still together. We're in the body of Christ. We have unity. But we're going to start diving into the, asking those questions. And so that's what we're doing today. We're doing, we're going to do Iran in the end times. Very excited about it. So Luke, how you feeling today, man?

[Luke the Bear]

Not great.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Not great. Luke hurt his arm significantly.

[Luke the Bear]

I talked about it, I talked about the last couple weeks. But yeah, I haven't been wearing the sling because I've been feeling good.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And you were doing push ups.

[Luke the Bear]

I was doing push ups this week and but I found out today I need surgery and it's gonna be really bad.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So, yeah, surgery with a four month, four month recovery. Four month recovery. I'm sorry, man. Well, pray for Luke. Pray for his arm. I do want to say something very important here before we dive into the Iran and in time stuff, just quickly we have bills happening across the bills to abolish abortion. Very, very grateful to God for the great advances that he has done for us. This last session alone, South Dakota, we have had bills happen across the country in Georgia. We have Kentucky happening there is Tennessee happening. It's happening all over the country. And we had two bills running in Tennessee and bill in Georgia doing very, very well, and then of course, as you know, was going to happen, it was the pro life establishment that stepped in, tried to kill that bill. And so but it's still advancing right now just to bless your, your heart and your mind right now on this. The bill in Georgia was historic because we had more co sponsors on that bill than we've seen in abolition history up to this point. And so that is a very big deal. We had, you know, like 25%, one in four of the house of Representatives members was on our bill as co sponsor. That is a huge advance and so big praise to God for that Tennessee tenness. You have Tennessee, you have a bill right now that needs to get a hearing. And so what we're going to do is Pastor Luke and I are coming out to Tennessee, to Nashville to meet with pastors in Tennessee. That is going to be March 10, next Tuesday in Tennessee. I'm going to put the details after this episode inside the description. If you're in Tennessee and you're a pastor, you're a leader, come and meet with us. We're going to pray together, we're going to talk to you and get together on the same team together. We're going to literally work together over the next year in Tennessee. And so March 10th, that's in Nashville. Again, I'll put the link underneath the the episode here in the description. You do need to sign up so we know who's coming. Then the very next day gonna be in Knoxville, Knoxville, Tennessee, so that everyone in eastern Tennessee can go to it as well. And so I'm gonna put that here as well. The both the events have dinner at 5:30pm start time is 6pm so Nashville and Knoxville, both links will be underneath this episode in the description as soon as we're done with the episode. And so if you know pastors in Tennessee, let them know if you are a pastor in Tennessee, come and join with us, pray with us, eat with us and let's get together on this. And so we're working together as a church in Tennessee. That's happening next week. Again, I'll put them underneath the episode here and just as soon as we're finished here. So before we really get into the clips and the episode today, what a difference. Now you, you, you can't, you can't ignore the fact that there is such a difference, such a difference between how Trump will address these issues and other in the past, you know, Iran has killed American warriors, Iran has funded terrorism, Iran has threatened us and said death to America. Now, for decades and what you consistently have from politicians and leaders is sort of empty threats and no real movement forward. So Iran doesn't take anybody seriously. But you do at least got to give Trump this. You know, we don't. We don't idolize Trump, but you gotta at least give Trump this. When he says he's gonna do something, he does it. He's probably gonna do it. And especially when it war and roughen you up, I mean, just in the last couple of months over the last year, what do we have? We have, you know, going in and bombing their nuclear facilities, taking them out. We have the situation that happened in Venezuela and wow. I mean, you know, we'll come into your country, we'll take your president and take him home to put him on trial. That's a very big deal. Hey, did you guys see that? Trump was. Trump acknowledged when the Venezuela thing happened, there was this thing going around, and it was somebody who was part of the resistance to us in Venezuela, and he was giving his testimony as to what happened that night. Did you read that?

[Luke the Bear]

No.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, dude.

[Luke the Bear]

I've heard people talk about what I didn't see.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I read it and thought it didn't. It wasn't real. I was like, there's no way this is real.

[Luke the Bear]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

But it was confirmed through a number of different sources that this was actual witness and testimony of somebody who was on the inside when our warriors showed up. And so the way that he described it was. And this is just. Delta Force is just the bomb. Delta Force comes in with a limited number of dudes on their team. And the guy's testimony was. He said that. That it was not. They. Every. Every shot they fired was accurate. He said. I think he said, forgive me if I'm wrong on this. I think he said there was like 20 warriors, 20 delta force came out of the helicopters. And he said. And it seemed like they were firing hundreds of bullets per minute. He said, they seem like, like that group of 20 men was like, fighting hundreds.

[Luke the Bear]

Wow.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Which is awesome. But then. But then it gets cr. Then he says that something happened where all the bad guys that we were coming to take out, they all fell to the ground and their noses were bleeding, and it felt like their heads were going to explode inside. As you read this testimony, it was like, nah, this seems like pure fiction. The way he was describing it was like they couldn't move, felt like their heads were going to explode, their noses were bleeding. And Trump acknowledged that. Yeah, he's like, we got a weapon like that. He couldn't Give details on it. But we have that weapon that I guess we'll microwave your brain.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah. Did you hear the new Sean ryan with.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes. A.J. yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And that's.

[Luke the Bear]

So Brad knows him well, actually working on that connection.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Oh, sweet, sweet. Yeah, yeah. But apparently that weapon, Havana syndrome and everything is. Is a real. A real thing.

[Luke the Bear]

That's nasty.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And we're employing it in combat now. Yeah, that's pretty wild. Yeah, you gotta admit, that's pretty wild. You can do all the training you want, and all of a sudden, wow, what a. What a dramatic switch in warfare. So anyway, Trump. Trump has said these things before. And so just. Just for fun, listen, listen to this. This is a contrast between. Kamala.

[Luke the Bear]

It's just a heads up.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, I think it's beeped out. I think. I think it's beeped out. Yeah, yeah. What's the message to Iran? Don't. Don't. As President Biden said, just don't. Exactly. One word. Pretty straightforward.

[Pete Hexith]

I'm gonna bomb the shit out of them.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It's true.

[Pete Hexith]

I don't care. I don't care. They've got to be.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Be stopped. Okay. He means it. He definitely means it.

[Luke the Bear]

All right.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So everybody saw. Hopefully you saw the address of the president talking about how we were going to war and bombing Iran. I think it's just so interesting. There's a president of the United States of America talking about going to war with a USA ball cap on. It's just. We're in. We're in interesting times right now, for sure. Here goes.

[Pete Hexith]

A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people. Its menacing activities directly endanger the United States, our troops, our bases overseas, and our allies throughout the world. For 47 years, the Iranian regime has chanted death to America and waged an unending campaign of bloodshed and mass murder targeting the United States, our troops, and the innocent people in many, many countries. Among the regime's very first acts was to back a violent takeover of the US embassy in Tehran, holding dozens of American hostages for 444 days. In 1983, Iran's proxies carried out the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut that killed 241American military personnel. In 2000, they knew and were probably involved with the attack on the USS Cole. Many died. Iranian forces killed and maimed hundreds of American servicemembers. In Iraq, the regime's proxies have continued to launch Countless attacks against American forces stationed in the Middle east in recent years, as well as US Naval and commercial vessels in international shipping lanes. It's been mass terror, and we're not going to put up with it any longer. From Lebanon to Yemen and Syria to Iraq, the regime has armed, trained and funded terrorist militias that have soaked the earth with blood and guts. And it was Iran's proxy, Hamas, that launched the monstrous October 7 attacks on Israel, slaughtering more than 1,000 innocent people, including 46Americans, while taking 12 of our citizens hostage. It was brutal, something like the world has never seen before. Iran is the world's number one state sponsor of terror and just recently killed tens of thousands of its own citizens on the street as they protested. It has always been the policy of the United States, in particular my administration, that this terrorist regime can never have a nuclear weapon. I'll say it again, they can never have a nuclear weapon. That is why in Operation Midnight Hammer last June, we obliterated the regime's nuclear program at Fordeau, Natanz and Isfahan. After that attack, we warned them never to resume their malicious pursuit of nuclear weapons. And we sought repeatedly to make a deal. We tried. They wanted to do it, they didn't want to do it again. They wanted to do it, they didn't want to do it. They didn't know what was happening. They just wanted to practice evil. But Iran refused, just as it has for decades and decades. They rejected every opportunity to renounce their nuclear ambitions and we can't take it anymore. Instead, they attempted to rebuild their nuclear program and to continue developing long range missiles that can now threaten our very good friends and allies in Europe, our troops stationed overseas and could soon reach the American homeland. Just imagine how emboldened this regime would be if they ever had and actually were armed with nuclear weapons as a means to deliver their message. For these reasons, the United States military is undertaking a massive and ongoing operation to prevent this very wicked, radical dictatorship from threatening America and our core national security interests.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

There you go. So there was President Trump's explanation as to why. Why did we act and why did we as a government do this? Why is our military involved? Why are we dropping bombs? Why are we destroying things? Why are we killing the enemy? So there's a justification. And of course, the dispute right now amongst really everybody is the question of was this constitutional? Was it constitutional? Now we have to start this discussion by stating up front that what we hold to here as Apologia Church and on Apologia Studios, we hold to something called just War theory. Theory. If you're new to this discussion, I highly encourage you to, when the show is over, go to YouTube here in the search bar and type in Douglas Wilson. Just War Theory. And they're just a succinct, really interesting talks on the history of Christian just war theory, the biblical basis, all those things. And it'll really bless you. I mean, a number of ways it'll bless you in terms of, here's the teaching, here's where it comes from, from Scripture, here's where it came from in history. And sort of laying that out. And then Doug does something interesting I really appreciate it is he basically talks about, okay, now let's imagine that you're in a conflict as a warrior that wasn't completely constitutional. What do you do at that point? And so he gives some different advice and different scenarios of, you know, do you. Do you. Do you become a conscientious objector? Do you actually just continue to fight this fight before God and trusting him that it's just. It's really, really helpful, Doug. Just a phenomenal job of handling that. And I do believe also that on in Bonson U. Dr. Bonson has some talks on just war theory as well. So. Okay, just a quick thing here. Declaration of war Constitution. So in Article 1, Section 8, it says that. That the declaration of war solely is vested in Congress. And so Congress is the only one, according to Constitution that's invested with the authority to declare war. And it's. It's only in Congress. And also Congress is. Is in control of military funding. Funding the military itself. And so Congress is the determiner of the declaration of war. Congress is the determiner of the funding for the military. However, once all that's done, Article 2 says that the President directs military operations once they are authorized. And so that is what the Constitution says. That's the perfect world. That's what the law says. And then there's also, because we just love adding law to law. Human beings are like that. There's also other laws that are given since that time that do allow for certain elements of this to take place outside of Congress making a formal declaration of war. And so we've got this long history of this, of our Constitution saying one thing in terms of the power, an authority invested in Congress for the declaration of war. And then we also have new laws added that sort of broaden it in such a way where the President can actually engage in military action or start military action without a formal vote from Congress itself. And, you know, we've been down this Road. And so, you know, when Douglas Wilson was speaking on this subject last week, he said, there's what's constitutional and there's what's legal. Legal. And what Doug said, I think is pretty much. Pretty much is. Is where I fall on this issue at the moment. There's constitutional and then there's lawful, because we've created laws that allow for things like this. And he says, you know, was this lawful? Technically, yes. Is it what we actually want this to be like? He said, no, we want it to be constitutional and done by the Constitution. And there's the code, there's the rule. Congress does this. And so it's a twisted situation we're in right now, because humans like to add law upon law and make it convoluted. So there's the constitutional aspect to it, and then there's a lawful aspect to it of what's actually legal and lawful. And presidents have done this. But Trump's argument, and this is what everyone has to contend with, all of us have to say, well, is that right? Is it true? Trump's argument is pretty clear, and it's that Iran has been attacking us, killing American citizens, funding terror against us, calling death to us, and building nuclear weapons in. In an effort to ultimately harm us. And so his argument as the president is I. I have the power as the president to respond quickly to these sorts of things. We've tried everything we can with diplomacy. I mean, Luke, was. You were talking before the show today in terms of, you know, their past, of breaking treaties, breaking promises, maybe speak about some of that a little bit.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, I'm not at all an expert on this, but just from listening today and yesterday, it seems like there's several. That's much better, Gabe, thanks. Sorry, my voice was being weird today in the mic. There's several treaties that sounds like they've. They've been a violation of. And not just violating, but like. Like being like, what are you gonna do about it? Sort of a thing. And I mean, there's evidence that they tried to assassinate Trump. There's. That was my biggest question. I'm like, okay, as a patriot, I'm like, yeah, I like this, you know, just a display of military superiority and taking out these awful dudes, like, with no. No resistance whatsoever. But then. But then my, you know, pastoral side's like, but is this. Did we have biblical grounds to go there? Do we have constitutional grounds to go there? And so from what I'm hearing, it sounds like, yes, they broke a number of treaties that would constitute a biblical and constitutional reason for going and doing what we did.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So yeah, I think we need to think about this. The moral issue, we've taken a lot of criticism in the past. We're theonomists. We believe God's law and God's law directs our lives and it should direct the government as well. The governing authority, according to scripture is supposed to be a servant of the true God, the living God. And so we have taken a lot of heat in the past that we believe in a very limited government. We'd like to see most of the government programs shut down, done away with because there's not the role of the government. The role of the government. Government is to punish evil, protect the righteous and not to control education and the million other things that the government now is involved in and funds. We say close all those things down. Most of those things should be done by the individual, the family and the church and not the government. When the government does it, they fail and they fail miserably all the time. And the reason they do fail is because it's not your sphere, it's not what you're supposed to be doing. But we do believe in a very limited government and the way to fund that would be much easier than we're doing now with taxation that's by coercion and just unreasonable, unjust. And so we've also taken a lot of heat too because you know, I've said, you know, bring all of our troops home. We shouldn't be in some of these foreign nations the way that we are funding those sorts of things. We shouldn't be engaging in conflicts where we are not specifically threatened or attacked. We should be doing warfare based upon self defense and really self defense only. And so, you know, in the past we're taking a lot of flack for that and people have criticized us for that. Many people in the Republican Party party, when we criticize the Republican Party or the president and say that's just not biblical, we've taken a lot of flack for that. But in this case, thinking about all the factors, the, the killing of American citizens, the killing of American military personnel over, you know, a period of decades, even when you think about the threats to us, death to America, when you think about the threat of a nuclear weapon, those sorts of things, when you think about the funding of terrorism against the United States, when you think about an assassination attempt on our president, I think that's justified. I would say it's justified if, if a foreign nation tries to kill your president. That is something that is it must be handled militarily. And the role of the government is to kill, is to. Is to punish evil. And so you have to protect the righteous. And I think there's enough moral justification in here to say, okay, this was. This can be justified. It wasn't just. Just, you know, frivolous and silly reasoning is definitely something you can morally justify now, like. Like Doug says. I think Doug said it perfectly. Like he says much most things. There's constitutional in terms of what ought to be the case, and then there's legal. And because we're in the situation we're in, we're writing all these things up and they conflict with each other. Technically, you say it's legal, but is it fully formed the way that the Constitution would say? Well, no, we need to get back to that, but here's where we're at. So we do need to ask more questions, though. What continues to be the answer as to why this is taking place? And when you think critically about it, not just say, america, all right, we need to be able to look at our governing authorities and say, yeah, I'm suspicious, or, I'm still asking questions. I mean, just quickly just think about where we were. All of us were amped up. Nine, 11.

[Luke the Bear]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

When that happened, you know, some of you guys were alive then. It wasn't that long ago. Some of you guys are young or maybe you were a baby then or whatever. You don't really remember this. That was crazy. That day, when that happened, it. Something felt so different as an American citizen. I know planes flying in the sky that day, Everett. Just silence outside, you know, people going to candlelight vigils in downtown Tempe and everything else we had. I mean, it was just. You're glued to the TV that whole day, that whole night, wake up, turn the TV on. You're just glued. I remember I was glued to the television for days upon days. You're watching this whole thing unfold, and so you're like, man, these terrorists, they're doing this to us. We have to respond. And America was really united in that moment. I mean, really, really united left and right. You know, we were attacked in our homeland, and this was terrorism, and it was a big deal. And so all of us were amped up to say, we have to respond as Americans. And there was a lot of unity. But here's what I'm afraid of. What happened after that, as the years went on? You talk about, you know, yellow cake. We found yellow cake and, you know, stuff to make bombs and, you know, There was a lot of things done and said that forced the American people to accept military engagement that actually wasn't based in fact. Right. And it's like, well, our Republican, we're Republican, we're conservatives and our Republican leaders are saying that such and such. It's like, well, yeah, we know now that that wasn't accurate and there was a lot of stuff that was said wasn't true and we can't just believe it. And so we should think critically and we should be suspicious and asking questions. And so that's what I want to say right now. Like, okay, some of this sounds morally justified, that it's right, that it's the role of government. Okay. Is it fully constitutional? No, but it's lawful. I mean, we've done this before and there' legal precedent for it. Okay, but let's still ask questions. All right, let's make sure we're challenging, let's be open to the truth, but also at the same time let's, let's make sure we're facing this with some form of healthy biblical scrutiny. So here is Rubio responding to some questions on this point.

[Marco Rubio]

States conducted this operation with a very clear goal in mind. I haven't had a chance to see a lot of reporting. I don't understand what the confusion is. Let me explain it to you and I'll do it once again as clearly as possible. Perhaps you'll report it that way. The United States is conducting an operation to eliminate, eliminate the threat of Iran's short range ballistic missiles and the threat posed by their navy, particularly to naval assets. That is what it is focused on doing right now and it's doing quite successfully. I'll leave it to the Pentagon and the Department of War to discuss the tactics behind that and the progress that's being made. That is the clear objective of this mission. The second question that's been asked is why now? Well, there's two reasons why now. The first is it was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone, the United States or Israel or anyone, they were going to respond and respond against the United States. The orders had been delegated down to the field commanders. It was automatic and in fact it bear to be true because in fact, within an hour of the initial attack on the leadership compound, the missile forces in the south and in the north for that matter, had already been activated to launch. In fact, those had already been pre positioned. The third is the assessment that was made that if we stood and waited for that attack to come first before we hit them we would suffer much higher casualties. And so the President made the very wise decision. We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher, those killed. And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So there was Rubio. What do you think?

[Luke the Bear]

I mean, if what he's saying is, that's the problem, right, is we're like, is it true? Okay, it sounds great, but I don't know if I buy it or believe it, you know, but if it's, if that's true, like, yeah, I mean that's, that sounds great. And the one thing I love too, that I forgot to mention was we're not like Trump's not interested in nation building, which is great because that's what we've wasted the last 30 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, just wasted millions of dollars in lives for no reason. So he's just going in, taking out the bad guys and then peace and

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

out saying, saying to the Iranian people, it's your job to take over your, your country again. And you know, we can't ignore this. It, it should be noted, any fair handed look into this has to note that the Iranian people, when we started killing their, the, you know, the Ayatollah and the Supreme Leader and all the other leaders alongside of him, the Iranian people are celebrating, celebrating because they've been under this tyranny in this regime for, since 1979 specifically. And so the Iranian people want liberated from this tyranny. But here's the, here's the important element we have to pay attention to. You can't say, and this, I'll just say it can be used in modern vernacular. It sucks that you have to say this, but it's biblical and it's just because we care about other people. You can't say that there's a government regime oppressing a people in a foreign land. And so therefore we're going to go liberate them with an attack. That's not appropriate because that God doesn't call you to that. That's not how you solve that problem. A nation like ours is not called, as many people commonly say, to police the world. And so yeah, it's, as I said, it sucks. Like you see a country where you have the government of the country just tyrants and they are killing human beings, you can't say, well, let's send military action against them. It's like, you can't do that. That's not just war theory. That's not us being attacked. That's not our interest being attacked. And, yeah, it's horrible because you care about those human beings. You have to find another means to help in that situation rather than a military attack. Because according to biblical principles, military attacks are supposed to be reserved for the preservation of the righteous and the killing of the enemy, of, of your own nation. Right. I mean, we're, we're not, this is not one big world without different tribes. There are different tribes, different nations, and we can't go fighting everyone's battles for them. And so it's really important for us to note that, that the Iranian people want freedom from this regime. So we say, hey, thank God for that, but we can't wage a war on that basis. But Trump's not making that case, and that's helpful. Trump's not saying, we're going in there to liberate those people. He's saying, here's the reasons. You've killed American citizens, you've funded terror. You're, you know, you're trying get a way to form missiles to, to destroy us and our allies. You had. And Rubio saying they had their, their missiles already, you know, aimed at us, at our, at our interests. And so we knew we had to attack first. And so that's, that's his argument. And so it's not just about liberating the Iranian people. I do love, though, I've seen the interviews of the Iranian prince and the others who are saying, please do this, America. Thank you. Help us liberate our people. It's been nice to hear that. I hope they do get control of their country and get this evil out of the way, but we certainly can't fight a war on that basis. And I'm thankful that they're not making that case, because then I would absolutely say, I'm sorry, it sounds horrible, but you can't fight a war like that. You're just not allowed to with just war theory. So here's Rubio. More comments on this subject. Yesterday you told us that Israel was going to strike Iran and that that's why we needed to get involved. Today. The President said that no Iran was going to get.

[Marco Rubio]

Yeah, your statement is false. So that's not what he. I was asked very specifically, were you there yesterday?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yes, I am.

[Marco Rubio]

Okay.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

No, did you.

[Marco Rubio]

Were you the one that. Because somebody asked me a question did we go in because of Israel? And I said, you were asking me that you that follow up. And I said, no, I told you this had to happen anyway. The President made a decision, and the decision he made was that Iran was not going to be allowed to hide behind its ballistic missile program, that Iran was not going to be allowed to hide behind its ability to conduct these attacks. That decision had been made. The President systematically made a decision decision to systematically destroy this terroristic capability that they had. And we carried that out. I was very clear in that answer. This was a question of timing, of why this had to happen as a joint operation, not the question of the intent. Once the President made a decision that negotiations were not going to work, that they were playing us on the negotiations and that this was a threat that was untenable, the decision was made to strike them. That's what I said yesterday. And you guys need to play it. If you're going to play these statements, you need to play the whole statement, not clip it to reach a narrative that you want to do.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Right. And the narrative he's referring to there, of course, is that, you know, we're Israel's lap dog and Israel is, is using us to fight is Israel's war.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Important thing to talk about in this too, right? I mean, for sure. I mean, like, it's instantly available. Does Israel have a right to, to fight Iran? Yes.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Much more straightforward and clear than us. Yeah, for sure, sure. I mean, Iran's sending missiles at him and, you know, they're, they're in a conflict with each other. That's, there's, there's no question there. That's much easier problem to solve the question for us because, you know, you could say, right? You could say, well, yes, Mr. Trump or President Trump, yeah, they killed hundreds of military personnel. But what do you, what do you. That was in the 80s. Like, you know, that was. When was that? It was like, it was 81 or something like that. I forget the timing of that. But, you know, you talk about that, it's like, well, okay, why didn't we do this a long time ago? But when you pile everything. His point is, he's making a case that when you pile on the killing of American military personnel, American civilians, funding terror against us, their involvement in the other wars we just waged to help kill American warriors, you start to pile that up and say, all right, I get it. And his whole case is, and now even after us destroying their nuclear facility, they're still trying to do this. They're still trying to get their missiles ready to be able to fire these things at us. And so we had to preemptively strike. Yeah, you know, and he's, and what Marco, Marco Rubio is trying to refute is that somehow this is really just Israel's war and we're the lap dog and we're being, you know, told to do this on the basis of Israel guiding this whole thing. I don't see any evidence to actually support that, that, that case. I think we have enough to manage on our own end with Iran. Now. I could, could I be convinced otherwise? I'm always willing to be convinced by the truth. And so if somebody had evidence to the contrary, I'm going to believe that if it's solid evidence. But I don't, I don't see that. I know that everyone, you know, especially in the Internet today, a bunch of these theological slubs and you know, dudes are like all just hatred for Israel. You know, I'm not a huge, I'm not a fan really of the Israeli government. And Israel today, they, they need Christ. We need to bring the gospel to them. So I'm not saying in any way, you know, you know, the whole same nonsense that you hear from evangelical pastors for the last generation of like, you know, those who stand with Israel, blessed by God, those who don't will be cursed. Not saying that we believe that the people of God are part of the Israel of God. Those people over there are not true Jews because they reject Jesus. We're not saying that. But I'm sorry, I don't see it. I don't see the case that this is Israel's war and we're just a lap dog and we're being made to do it because of Israel. I think we have enough reason in our, as a nation to, to, to do this. That's my thoughts.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah, I agree. And just quickly, I know we got address that. I, because I'm just watching some of the comments here. Again, we're, we're trying to figure this out in real time. Right? So like, you know, like we're trying to determine, like you just said, is, is there evidence? Is this legit? Is this legal or lawful? I'm seeing some of those comments as well. Like, and so we're not taking a hard line stance on any of this. We're just trying to manage this in real time. Mesmer information.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, just real time. So we're trying to do this and think about it biblically, not because of your team or your club. How how completely foolish were we over the last 30 years?

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Where our government was telling us, no, we need to wage this war, we have to go into Iraq. We've got to do this. We've got to have American blood spilled in that door, in that soil. We've got to do these things. You know, we're going to have men lose their legs and arms and those sorts of things because they have such and such. And like, they didn't. You're, you lied to the American people. Like, you literally sent troops over there and it was on the basis of a false narrative. So we've been lied to. But like you said, Luke, we're, we're now examining this in real time. And so from my perspective at the moment, with the information available and the history of Iran in America and what they've been doing to us and saying to us, it, it seems completely justified on one level, but at the same time, like Doug said, no, not completely constitutional needs to be a more appropriate way that we do these things. But I'm, I'm certainly not going to buy into this, this narrative because of people's hatred for the, the government of, of Israel and the people of Israel today, that we're just a lap dog and just doing their bidding. I, I just, I'm not going to buy into it just because you hate Israel. And so. Yeah. So a number of. Ben Valentine, thank you, brother, so much. A number of Iranian Christians online, such as Horos Shah Zariat, have cited Jeremiah 49, 34, 39 is foretelling an End Times revival in Iran resulting in the country becoming Christian. Your thoughts? Thank you for the question, Ben. We're going to answer that and stuff like that coming up here shortly. Actually, we got to do commercial break, don't we?

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah. Where are we?

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So we're gonna do a quick commercial break, come back, play just a couple more clips on the Iranian situation with the war and then jump right into responding to some of Pastor Greg Lori's comments on Iran and biblical prophecy. Very excited to get to that point. So if you would do all the things right now, everybody do the likes, do the share shares, let everybody know. YouTube loves that. Helps with the algorithm so people can see this conversation. And don't forget, Also go to apologiastudios.com Sign up for all access. Be a partner with us in this ministry. You make everything that we do possible. The babies that are being saved, the people coming to Christ around the world, all that's taking place through this ministry is because you're in this with us and so we're grateful for all of you guys who are part of all access with us. You mean the world to us in this ministry we're doing together with you and so thank you for being a part of it. But if you're not all access, go sign up apologiastudios.com we'll be be right back. This episode's brought to you by ion [e-mail] go and check out the health benefits, the wellness benefits and longevity benefits of NAD treatments. NAD is nicknamed the Fountain of Youth for a reason. You have an abundance of this in your system when you're young. As you get older it drops off. And now we found a way to get NAD into our systems. They do it through IV treatments but they're very expensive and it's also extremely painful and difficult. However, I layer found a way to get a high dose of NAD into your system through a medical patch you wear on your arm. You wear it for about 14 hours, you get a high dose of NAD treatment into your system and no pain at all. And it is a fraction of the cost of what you would pay through for an IV treatment. In the coupon code, type in Apologia in all caps. They're going to hook you up with a great discount for an already amazingly cost effective product product. And they bless Apologia studios and help us to stay on the air and do all these programs with you. Don't forget. Also Ion Layer has added a glutathione patch as well. Glutathione, the master antioxidant. Go check out the health benefits of glutathione. I'm doing this stuff anyways. It's blessed my life in tremendous ways. And so if you want to focus on your health, wellness and longevity, nothing better in my mind than ionlayer.com for your NAD and Glutathione training treatments. Ionlayer.com don't forget to put Apologia in all caps in the coupon code.

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

We're back. Thank you guys for being part of this episode with us talking about Iran in the end times, the war with Iran. And so we're gonna play a few more clips here. Engage a bit with with them. Here's Pete Hexith and talking about the purpose of the attack on Iran. And I love this guy. Man, do I love Pete.

[Luke the Bear]

Yes.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

He's the perfect man to have.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

I'm a fan.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

I'm a huge fan. Yes, I get it.

[Government Spokesperson]

The press only wants to make the President look bad. But try for once to report the reality. The terms of this war will be set by us at every step. As I said Monday, the mission is laser focused. Obliterate Iran's missiles and drones and facilities that produce them. Annihilate its navy and critical security infrastructure and sever their pathway to nuclear weapons. Iran will never possess a nuclear bomb. Not on our watch. Not ever. And this is why President Trump's moral clarity on Iran today is so vital. Unlike the past, where vague red lines and endless negotiations let Iran fund terror and inch ever so slightly toward a bomb, this president sees the threat plainly and acts decisively. No more half measures, especially when Iran is at its weakest. No more letting Tehran play for time while our people pay the price. His leadership ensures that we finish what we start and that we protect our warfighters by crushing the enemy before they can strike again. Our offensive operations, refined through months of relentless preparation, are unstoppable. And our defensive efforts are unprecedented.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Very good. So there's more explanation coming from the government as to the why. So we started the. We started the battle and it has been, by all accounts, super successful on a number of levels. Did you hear that we are now doing B52 bomb bombers? You've seen that?

[Luke the Bear]

I think I did, yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So the B52 bomber is an old, old system, an old aircraft. I mean, we're talking about, you know, World War II kind of stuff. The thing with the B52 bombers now flying over Iran is it's a very big deal. It means that putting the B52s into action, that the threats are no longer available, or two, there's no longer threats available to us, so we can fly those over. And those are devastating. I mean, we've been flying, buying those for, you know, a long time. And so the fact that the B52s are now over Iran is. Is telling because it means that we've taken out the threats to the B52 bombers because they. They don't have the maneuverability that some of the other aircraft have if there's a threat. And so if the B52s are flying over Iran right now, that means basically, we own the skies, and that's a very big deal. In a matter of days, we have B52s now employed over Iran. We've taken out their navy, we've taken out their weapon against us to be able to. Their. Their. Their jet and their fighters to be able to. To. To really air forces, their air force to be able to harm us. And so the fact that we have B52s flying over. Flying over Iran right now is a very big deal. It says a lot about just a matter of days, the kind of success we've had as the military. This was something to see. I definitely want you guys to see this. If you haven't seen it yet, I'm sure you have this. This was a Iranian warship in international waters. Thought that they were safe, and we fired a torpedo from a submarine and sunk it. We sunk their battleship.

[Luke the Bear]

B2 is not 52.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

B2. B52. I thought it was B2. B52. It's both.

[Luke the Bear]

Oh, we did. Sorry. Someone said it in the.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah. B52.

[Luke the Bear]

That's crazy. I didn't know that. That's crazy.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, I knew I was right on that. I read a bunch of articles.

[Luke the Bear]

Those are literally airplanes.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, yeah. Are. Yeah, yeah.

[Luke the Bear]

They're not jets.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So. So this particular clip here, man, I love that you get to watch the war now in, like, real time. Like, it happens. And they're like, here you go. Here's the video. You want to. You want to. You want to put it short, and you want to do a reel with it. It's amazing we could just get to watch all this stuff going on. But this was the first ship taken out by a torpedo since World War II. First Luke said something funny for the show.

[Luke the Bear]

So I'm. I seriously want to know the guy that pushed the button. Has he been sitting in that sub since 36 just waiting to push that button? And they're like, all right, Johnny, it's your time. Oh, here we go.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Here we go.

[Luke the Bear]

He's like 102 years old.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Like, oh, peaches. Oh, peaches. I've been waiting for this. All right, so here we go. Sorry, I'm having too much fun with this. This is the battleship Being destroyed.

[Luke the Bear]

This is awesome.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

K boom, Man.

[Luke the Bear]

That's.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's a big. That's a big ship. You see how high the back of that ship came out of the water?

[Luke the Bear]

Used to be like their. Their very best battleship.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's right.

[Luke the Bear]

Gone.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, man. Taken out. That was a big deal. This. These were kind of fun to watch. What? What. I'd like to know how this mistake happened, but, hey, thank God for the technology. We have to get these people up into the sky and then also out of harm's way if they do get shot down. Kuwait.

[Luke the Bear]

Yeah.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Mistakes us Friendly fire for the enemy. Friendly fire shoots down some American pilots. It was like, dang. What are you guys doing? Come on. So they shoot down American pilots. And this is the. The footage of the female American pilot.

[Pete Hexith]

You're really.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

You need something to help you. No problem. You're safe, you're safe, you're safe. Everything good? No problem. Thank you for helping us. Everything perfect. Well, she's in good spirits. She's getting shot down. That's pretty awesome. She's in good spirits, or you say he's running up and he's like, well, you need something. You need help. Falafel rice kebab. Yeah. Well, that's just wild. She just was shot out an airplane and she's, you know, smiling. I'm good. I'm good. What's up? Amen. That's great. Praise God for that. This is a little different. This is. This is the male pilot that was shot down. And it's got a little sketchy. For me. It got a little sketchy at first. Yeah. Here we go. Back up. I got quick. So there you go. That was the female and the American pilot shot down. And of course, sadly, we've already lost some of our military, members of our military in some of the attacks, responses to the warfare we've been waging. And so, of course, we pray for those families and ask God to bless them with peace and comfort in the midst of all this. Of course, it's painful as. What is it? Pete Hex had said. He said war is hell. And that is always true. It always will be. And it's ugly and terrible, and people die and the good guys and the bad guys, and they. It's, of course, sad. We can't forget that and be callous to that. I mean, these are, you know, rather real people with children, families, those sorts of things. And so we have to pray for them, pray for their families and. Yeah. So, okay, here we go. Now. Every time Iran comes up and These sorts of things happen. It's always the same. It's always the same. End time speculation and the connection between Iran, Russia, Gog and Magog. Rob Posh, Ezekiel 38, 39, and it, you can just anticipate it. It's always going to be that way. So I came to Christ in mid-90s and heard the Gospel for the first time, had no idea about eschatology. And my first Bible study was youth group and it was in someone's living room and it was watching a movie about the Rapture, a really terrifying movie about the Rapture. And so I adopted the popular dispensational, premillennial perspective of, you know, rapture, seven years of tribulation, you know, return of Christ, thousand year literal reign of Christ, the Antichrist, all that stuff. And so I'll just say briefly, I was a fiend. If you don't know that about me or us, we both were there. I was a fiend. And so especially in the late 90s, every book on end times, I'm just picking it up and huge fan of all of it. And that's really all I would talk about was, you know, the Rapture is going to happen any moment, but I can tell you for sure then every news story, everything that ever came up but Iran on tbn, on the religious broadcast and all the news stuff, the Hal Lindsay Report, every single time it was Ezekiel 38, Ezekiel 39, and this is the moment and we're about to be raptured. And so always a connection to that. And so of course, right on. Q. Pastor Greg Lori, a man that I do greatly respect, super grateful for this man and his proclamation of the Gospel. The man has been involved in, was it Harvest Crusade, I think is what it is. He has given the gospel, preached Christ and faith in Christ for a long time, probably led more people to Christ than I ever will. And so I'm super thankful for the man. But right on cue, he comes in with his explanation of Iran and this whole conflict and end times. And so I want to review some of it and ask the question, is this biblical or is this a tradition and a system we're imposing upon the scriptures themselves, but also upon our news? And so here we go.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

This is the death of the Ayatollah has sent shock waves throughout the Middle east and indeed around the world. How are the people of Iran responding? Well, many of them are literally dancing in the streets and celebrating because the hope is, is that there will be a new day in the great nation of Iran that There will be freedom in that nation and even a spiritual awakening. Despite the fact that the Iranian regime has cracked down on its own citizens for protesting recently, killing many of them, and despite the fact that this reg regime has persecuted Christians, the church has grown dramatically. Some estimates say there are as many as 1 million Christians in Iran today. And we pray and we hope that number will only grow. You know, Iran, also known as Persia in the Bible, has a rich history. They only became Iran in 1935. Up to that point, they were known as Persia. Don't forget that the book of Esther unfolds in Persia. Remember, it was the widow wicked plot of a man named Haman to exterminate all of the Jewish people. But a courageous young woman named Hadassah, also known as Esther, used her position as the queen to intercede for them and all of the Jews were spared. Also in the book of Daniel, remember, it was Cyrus the Great who helped the Jews return to their homeland and rebuild their city of Jerusalem. So Persia has rich history. Now many are wondering if what is happening right now in Iran is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Granted, we know that there's a large force to the north of Israel identified in the Bible as Magog that will march against her in the end times. And one of the allies of Magog, who many believe could be modern day Russia, one of the allies of Magog is Persia, now known as Iran. When will that happen? We can't really be sure, but any.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So just briefly, with all due respect to Pastor Lori, a man that I do have a profound amount of respect for, the assumption here is that what's taking place in Ezekiel 38 and 39 is about something that is future to us. And it's just being stated, it's just being claimed, right, that what you read about Here in Ezekiel 38 is about our future. Well, I would argue no, Ezekiel 38 and 39 is about something that took place in the past. And there's biblical fulfillment and a record of its fulfillment in the Scriptures in the very same books he's referring to, or he mentions Esther. But in Esther, Ezra and Esther, I would say you have the fulfillment after the exile of what is prophesied by Ezekiel in Ezekiel 38 and 39. So I start to read some of this now. I want to say this at the front. This is really, really important. Super important. So catch this. What is the thing that you were always told Pastor Luke about the interpretation of the Bible as related to dispensational premillennialism? People always said what Literal interpretation. Right. Like we hold to the literal interpretation. And so when you read this, you got to read the Bible literally. And so it's one of the things that I would.

[Luke the Bear]

Revelation.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Yeah, it's one of the things I was a harp on as well is because I was always taught that in literal interpretation. Literal inter interpretation. Now I want to say yes and no. Yes and no. You interpret the Bible literally where you're supposed to interpret it literally. But you're certainly not going to interpret the Song of Solomon literally. That would be weird. You know, it would just, just trust me, go take a look. And you just can't do that. The Bible is filled with symbolism. The Bible is filled with story and allegory. And I'm not saying that you do something like, you know, people have done in the past is like allegorize the whole Bible. Nobody should be doing that. You interpret the Bible literally where it's supposed to be interpreted literally, where that's the function of the passage, the narrative. That's what's going on in the text. But where the Bible is using symbolism, you have to interpret, interpret that biblically, symbolically. Like for example, you can't go to the Book of Revelation with a wooden literal interpretation because you're going to look. Be looking for a literal drinking blood, riding a seven headed ten horned beast. Where's she at? Right. I mean, I mean, I mean, honestly, you have to recognize that the Bible, God is big on symbolism. If you don't believe me, then let's talk about baptism and the Lord table. Right? Weren't those elements supposed to point to something? Didn't they mean something? Doesn't God use symbolism throughout the Bible? I mean, Jesus is the door, like with hinges and a doorknob. No, our God is a consuming fire, like a blast furnace, like that. Are you supposed to understand it with the symbolism's intended meaning? Okay, but here's the point. The dispensational premillennialists are always running. When Iran comes up and Israel comes up. They're always running to Ezekiel 38 and 39. And they're always saying literal interpretation. Literal interpretation. Okay, let's try it. The word of the Lord came to me. This is verse one of Ezekiel 38. Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshik and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, thus says the Lord God. Behold, I'm against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshik and Tubal, and I will turn you about. And Put hooks into your jaws and I will bring you, you out here. It is literal interpretation, right? This is about our future. This is about our future, okay? Our future. And his literal interpretation. And all your army, horses, horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host of them with buckler and shield wielding swords. All right, now, let's be. Let's be consistent. Consistent. You can't say this is future to us. And guys, literal interpretation. And then when it doesn't happen that way or even look remotely like it, say, well, it's all symbolic. Like, which is it? Is it literal or is it symbolic? Because the text is clear. I mean, did we see anybody over the last week riding around on horses with these types of weapons of warfare, shields and helmets? Helmets.

[Luke the Bear]

Maybe that's why we sent the B52.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

It just wasn't gonna go old school on them wielding swords. Was there anybody, Anybody there, like in this combat wielding swords? And so do you immediately see the problem? It's just. And this is. This is how I just assume. This is that when it's talked about, it's not exegeted. It's just assumed. This is the system. And because this is the system, we're going to read these texts through the system. All this has to be future to us. And so we're going take this, which is clearly talking about ancient forms of combat. We're going to take this and we're going to change its symbolic. It's allegory, it's whatever. We're going to now go against our own principle of literal interpretation because it's future to us. Does it have to be future to us? What if we can exegete the text and show that no, actually this took place in the past, and we've got a record of it in Ezra and in Esther, we've got a record of the fulfillment of it after the exile. The text Here in Ezekiel 38 talks about warfare that's actually waged with swords and horses. None of that took place in the last week. So how is this related to anything? End times. Now, the text goes on. Of course, there's might. I can't read through the entire thing here, but the text goes on. And I'm going to just read this portion here in verse 12. To seize spoil and carry off plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired, acquired livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth, Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all its leaders will say to you, have you come to see spoil? Have you assembled your host to carry off plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to seize great spoil. So that's Ezekiel 38. What's that we're talking about before the exile, right? We're talking about ancient forms of combat and weaponry here. And you had the list there of all the things that you are to be looking for. Ezekiel 38. I'll read it one more time here. Here's what you have. You have silver, gold, livestock, and goods. Great spoil. Silver, gold, livestock, goods, great spoil. All right, that's Ezekiel 38. Then when you read Ezra, here's what Ezra says. In the first year of Cyrus, verse one, chapter one. In the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia. All right, there you go. Iran, Persia. The word and the word of the Lord might be, by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled. The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus, king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing. Thus says Cyrus, king of Persia, the Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may his God be with him. And let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and rebuild the house of the Lord, the God of Israel. So this is after exile, all right? He is the God who is in Jerusalem. And let each survivor, in whatever place. Survivor of what? And let each survivor, in whatever place he sojourns, be assisted by the men of his place with silver and gold, with goods and with beasts besides free will, offerings for the house of God that is in Jerusalem. It's all mentioned here in Ezra. So I want to just make the point here. We. We can't do 38 and 39 in detail today. I just want to make the point that what Pastor Laurie is doing is he's just assuming his interpretation, not proving it. And the problem is, is that he's using interpretation, a moment like this of war, to tell everybody that now this is some sort of connection to End times prophecy. And he's saying you should see these sorts of things taking place as possibly what's going to happen in Ezekiel 38 and 39. That's future to us. Or we can look at the text itself and do the exegesis and interpret it faithfully and literally, by the way. Literally. Literally. With swords and everything else, and horsemen. And we can say no. That actually is something that God promised in Ezekiel and was fulfilled. And you can see the fulfillment in. In both Ezra and Esther. You see them both there. So just a point to be made here is the assumption of the interpretation, not the exegesis, not the text is telling us this. It's just the system put on the text.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

Turmoil in this part of the world should cause us to pay attention. And you give extra heed to the words of Jesus, who said, when you see these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption is drawing near.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Whoa, what a leap. What a leap. Again, what a leap. I love Pastor Greg, but that's such a leap. He just took a verse from the Olivet Discourse. When you see these things take place, know that your redemption strong drawing near. And he connected that to what is said in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Wait a second. I'm supposed to see what happens in 38 and 39 and then take a verse over here and jump to the Olivet Discourse where Jesus says, when you see all these things take place, know that your redemption is near. Wait a second. Shouldn't we interpret the Olivet Discourse in the Olivet Discourse and not Ezekiel 38? Because Jesus didn't say that in Ezekiel 38. Jesus said it in the Olivet Discourse. And when he was talking about the things that they see. When you see the disciples in front of them, in front of him, when you see these things taking place, know that your redemption draws near. Shouldn't we be looking at the Olivet Discourse to say, what were those things that the disciples were supposed to be seeing to know? Shouldn't we be looking at the Olivet Discourse in that context? Here's the problem. And this is why I had to abandon dispensational premillennialism, because I recognized that I was proof texting my way to the system. I was doing the same thing. I was taking a verse here, a verse there, a verse here, and I was just sort of smashing them all together because the system says this is the lineup of history. And you just sort of cram everything together and use a different bunch of different Bible verses, all not in the same context, to impress upon somebody that's what we're supposed to be looking for. And when I realized that I was doing that, I recognized that I got to go back to the basics here and say, what does the Bible actually say about this in context? Because what Pastor Greg just did is he talks about Ezekiel 38, GOG and Magog, and then he quotes Jesus from The Olivet discourse. When you see these things, know that your redemption draws near. No, he was talking to them about what they were to be looking for. And he gives them a laundry list of things that they're supposed to be on the lookout for. But he wasn't talking about Ezekiel 38. So how do we, how do we bring those things together? I would say it's because this eschatological system is a tradition imposed upon the Scriptures. It's not from exegesis. And so here's more.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

I know this can all be very frightening, but Bible prophecy is not given to scarce but to prepare us. And the main thing we need to take away from this is as Christians, we need to be ready to meet the Lord. As far as I can see sea, the next event on the prophetic calendar would be the rapture of the Church. That's that moment where the Lord descends from heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel and the dead in Christ rise first. And we which are alive and remaining are caught up to meet them in the air. And that word caught up comes from the Greek word harpazo, that's translated into the Latin word rapturous, which then translates to, to the word rapture. So you can call it the rapture, you can call it the harpazo, call it what you like, it's an event. It is in our future where we will go to meet the Lord. You know, the events.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Again, it's just assumed the system says this and so we assume it. We assume that the passages that. The passage that uses that word is talking about some secret rapture and not the resurrection of the saints or something else. We assume it, and we assume that you're going to have a rapture of Christians and then seven years of tribulation, Antichrist figure and all that. But on what basis are you believing that this is next in the prophetic calendar? Like, does the text actually say that no justification is given. It's just this is what we're supposed to be looking forward to. This is the system. Everyone believes, believe this. And so let's do some more of

[Pastor Greg Lori]

the end times are closely stacked together, not unlike dominoes. And once the first domino falls, the others will fall in rapid succession. So again, I think the next event to happen would be the Rapture. After that comes the emergence of the Antichrist. I don't think Antichrist can emerge on this scene until the Rapture takes place. And then of course, course, the great tribulation period that last.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

So again, the assumption, okay, next in the Event is rapture. After that is the appearance of the Antichrist, the entrance of the Antichrist. It's interesting we use this terminology. It really is, because John says that in his day that there are many antichrists. And he says, he defines the person who is antichrist as the one who says that Jesus Christ has not come in the flesh. He's calling the Gnostics antichrists. Yep, not one. Many antichrists. Here's the problem. We're not using the right language because what these men are usually referring to is what the book of Revelation refers to as the beast, the beast of Revelation.

[Luke the Bear]

There is no the Antichrist.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Exactly. There's the beast and he has a number. And it's the number of a man. And it ain't 6, 6, 6. It's 666, which of course spells Neron Kaiser and Nero Caesar. But it's interesting because the system says rapture next antichrist after that. But again, why are we using this language? Scripture says antichrists and John says that there are many in his day antichrists. Why don't we use the biblical language? And here's why I'm saying, here's why I'm harping on this, this. Because if we use the biblical language, then we're going to be going to the texts that actually allow us to interpret that thing in history in its context. If we say the Beast of Revelation, that guy, that system, you go, okay, oh, I have to go to the Bible to figure out what that beast is. Who is it? So you're not going to be having this nebulous Nikolai Carpathia figure sort of thing. You're going to go, okay, if it's the beast, Revelation has a whole section there about the beast, what he's going to do to Christians. For how long? It says 42 months of persecute the Christians. And by the way, it's exactly how long Nero persecuted the Christians in history for. He's going to die by his own sword. Sword. You know, you know, many leaders today walking around with swords and dying by their sword. Nero did. Nero died by his own sword. And you're going to be looking at the number of a beast is the number of a man, and his number is 666. Oh, what is. What in the world does that mean? Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast. For it's the number of a man and his number is 666. You're going to go, okay, I guess Christians supposed to know what that meant. And oh, they had a way of calculating it. They had a numerical system where they can actually count the numbers up and they can get to the name. And oh, it spells Neron Kaiser. Oh, it spells Nero Caesar. See, I'm saying that if you move away from the imposition and assumption of the system and you start using actual proper terminology, it gives the Christian an opportunity to say beast. I got that. There's the passage. Let's exegete it and see what, what did John say? Antichrist. Hmm, that's strange. John says there's many of them. Oh, and these Gnostic characters, they're Antichrist. They are denying that Jesus came in the flesh. You're going to interpret it faithfully and consistently and not have to just have this sort of wild system that's just all over the place with all these different interpretations and just a variety of different ways to say, I think that this news story is what Revelation is talking about, about here. I'm saying we should interpret the Bible biblically. And all of this is by Pastor Greg is just the assumption of the system imposed upon the news.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

That's for seven years, culminating in the battle of Armageddon.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And there it is again. So seven years Antichrist figure. Seven years. Nowhere. Nowhere in the Bible is there a seven year tribulation. Nowhere, nowhere. What you can't do is you can go into different various passages and say, well, we have three and a half years here and we've got this here and sort of. And cram those things together to get to a seven year great tribulation. But I dare you to try to find that in the passage that Jesus talks about the great Tribulation in the Olivet discourse. I dare you to find it. You won't. And there's a lot of assumptions being made even about that thing with the Antichrist figure there and so, so more.

[Pastor Greg Lori]

And then there's the second coming of Christ and then the millennial reign of Christ 1000 years and then heaven and earth become one. Where the scenario of Magog along with their ally Persia attacking Israel happens in this calendar of events, I'm not sure, but this I know Jesus is coming. So let's be watching and let's be

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

ready and let where the Gog and Magog conflict occurs in the system. I'm not sure what I would say is we can be sure. It's not like I'm saying it's as simple as just reading the text without having to do your work historical and make the connections in Scripture. I think we can be Confident and very sure that you have Ezekiel giving us the prophecy, and then you've got Ezra and Esther giving us the fulfillment. Fulfillment. You have something amazing. The Bible prophesied something. And then it happened just like Ezekiel said. He gave the prophecy, thus saith the Lord, and then the people of God saw its fulfillment. And so you read the Bible to say this was written before Esther and Ezra, and then you've got the fulfillment in Esther and Ezra. And it's even the same language, it's even giving the same listing that Ezekiel gives in Ezekiel 38. And so why then try to cram this prophecy, prophecy into our day and say Christians are supposed to be expecting this? So my thing, Luke, and I'll just say this probably a final thing here is what does the current war with Iran have to do with end times and biblical eschatology? I would say nothing like Pastor Greg is referring to. The only thing I would say is something near to the butterfly effect in terms of Jesus says that he's going to win the the world and that every enemy is going to be placed under his feet as a footstool for his feet. And then after every enemy is Defeated, this is 1 Corinthians 15, the last enemy to be defeated will be death. So it's first every enemy under Christ's feet, then death. So I would say, what does Iran have to do right now with that biblical timeline of history in 1 Corinthians 15? I would say, well, whatever is going on right now is ultimately leading to the evangelization. Evangelization of the world.

[Luke the Bear]

Yep.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

And Christ having dominion from sea to sea, from the river to the ends of the earth, and every enemy being placed under his feet as a footstool for his feet. So. So does it have something to do with that? Yeah, sure. Because every event in history has something to do with that. Somehow something has some effect in some way to get us to that point where the world comes under the feet of Jesus. So in that way, Iran and what's going on in Iran right now has something to do with the future. I don't know to what extent, but something to do with it. I mean, I mean, I mean, like Greg said, a million Christians in Iran praise the Lord. Yeah, maybe there's freedom. That's maybe. Look, what if this. What does have to End times. Maybe this toppling of this evil tyrannical government regime frees up the country for those million Iranian Christians to evangelize the nation and Iran becomes a Christian nation. Yeah, that sounds like fulfillment of end times. Eschatology in 1 Corinthians 15. I'll take that. But does this have anything to do whatever with Ezekiel 38 and 39? No, nothing. It already took place and is fulfilled. You've got the answer in your Bible. It's got nothing to do with it. And so should Christians be looking at the news and then trying to impose the news upon their Bibles? No, no, we should be focusing on evangelism and discipling the world.

[Luke the Bear]

Yep. Amen.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's the goal.

[Luke the Bear]

Iran too will be placed on the gross feet.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

That's exactly right. So what does it have to do? It's just on its way to get in under the feet of Jesus. And so there you go, guys. Hopefully that helps at least a bit of a start of a discussion on that. I'm so thankful for all of you. Let's see here. We've got some, some. Let's see here. I'll do this. What is the best explanation? Tony, you said, what is the best explanation for when Revelation was written? I've heard that it was written before 78 because Nero died in 68 AD. I would strongly encourage you, Tony, to. Bless you. I would encourage you to go and pick up a book Before Jerusalem Fell. Before Jerusalem Fell by our good friend Kenneth Gentry. It'll bless you. I've talked about it a lot. It's one of those books of great scholarship, but also it's super fun to read. That's a rare combination, scholarship and fun. And it's one of those books where I can remember being in my kitchen with my feet up on the counter at like one in the morning, reading this book into the night, night. Because it was so much fun to read, but it's filled with so much biblical and historical data. It'll truly bless you. It'll do both biblical and historical analysis of the dating of the Book of Revelation. There is so much evidence that the book of Revelation was written before 70 AD and you've got the temple being present, being told to measure the temple. It hasn't fallen yet. A significant detail. You've got the issue of Nero in there. You've got the data in details there with regard to the persecution of Christians by both Rome and the Jews, the soon coming destruction of Israel, I would argue is the great harlot there and her being destroyed. And just there's lots. And there's also a ton of historical information in terms of Christians writing that would, I think, put the book of Revelation right before Jerusalem fell, years before. And so it'll bless you. I highly encourage you get that book. You need to have it in your library. Next is otfjavi300. I've learned so much about the Bible because of you, Pastor Durbin. Would you ever go on a podcast like Sean Ryan to speak about eschatology? God bless. Yes. People have been trying for a little bit now to get an opportunity to get on Sean Ryan. I'd love to talk to Sean Ryan. I love that guy. I listened to his show all the time. Curious, prior to the 1979 revolution, did anyone conflate Iran to Gog and Magog? Yes, in my mind, I'm remembering a number of things related to Ezekiel 38 and 39 before 1979. And so it has been done. Not for a very long time, Ben, but certainly up to that point. And, and right before that point, people were doing that, as far as I remember, and some of the things I've read. But actually in the past, when people were interpreting 38 and 39, they were referencing it as already fulfilled. Or if there were prophecy pundits, before that, they were even, they even had other explanations as to who the nations were. I mean, there's, oh, there's, there's such silly stuff, too. Like, like I, I mentioned the Hebrew word rosh is in the text. Rosh. And these guys will say, well, look, it's raw. Doesn't Roche sound like Russia? Roche, Russia, which is like anachronism. It's, it's reading backwards in history, the name and into, into the text. And so it's just, it's, it's wild that we do this. So thank you everyone for the super chats. So blessed by you guys. Grateful for you. Don't forget, everyone go to apologiastudios.com go to the store. We've got lots of tracks there for you guys. There's some great swag, some cool T shirts, shirts, and all kinds of stuff that you can get there. apologiastudios.com Go to the store, pick up some stuff. And Luke, you want to point to everything else.

[Luke the Bear]

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[Jeff the Common Ninja]

Thank you everybody so much for being a part of this ministry with us. Please like and share. Do all the things. Let everyone know again after the episode. I'm going to put in to the description the links for Nashville and Knoxville. Next week. Pastor Luke and I are going to be in Nashville together. Pastor Wes and I are going to be in Knoxville together to meet with the churches there. So if you're a pastor or a leader in those cities or in the state of Tennessee, come and join us. We're going to have dinner at 5:30 in both locations. 6:00 start time. We're not going to keep you super long. We're going to work together, pray together and get on the same team so we can once and for all abolish abortion in the state of Tennessee. That's what we're working on. So I'll put the links in. You do got to sign up because I got to know you're coming so we can make sure we're ready for you. And so that's what's on. Going, going on. I'm the ninja, that's the bear.

[Luke the Bear]

Peace out.

[Jeff the Common Ninja]

We'll catch you next week right here on Apologia Radio.