A FAKE FENDI!?

Summary

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Are You A Charlotte? — "A FAKE FENDI!?" (Dec 23, 2025)

Host: Kristin Davis
Guest: Molly Rogers
Podcast: Are You A Charlotte? (iHeartPodcasts)
Theme: A deep, humorous, and revealing look at the fashion and behind-the-scenes stories from Sex and the City Season 3, with personal anecdotes, untold tales, and industry insights.

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Kristin Davis and longtime costume designer Molly Rogers reunite for the second part of their Season 3 fashion retrospective. Together, they relive Sex and the City’s move to Los Angeles, dissect iconic and outrageous costume choices (including the infamous fake Fendi), and spill the tea on behind-the-scenes department drama, style secrets, and the evolution of the show’s legendary looks. The conversation sparkles with nostalgia, candor, and inside jokes—taking listeners backstage to where TV fashion history was made.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. LA Adventures—Season 3 in the Sun (03:13–05:15)

• The Surprising LA Episodes: Kristin and Molly are amazed that the LA episodes happened as early as Season 3, with Kristin recalling, “We were just rolling with it, all right? Woohoo, we’re going to LA. And look at this crazy set of outfits.” (03:24)
• Notable Looks & Designers:
  • Sarah Jessica Parker wore a unique vest by Hushi, described as “very political” and “painting Iranian women in burqa.” (04:21)
  • Outfits included shiny blue lamé, sequins, and an eclectic mix evocative of ‘90s department store brands—Molly draws amusing parallels such as "Mandalay is today's Shein.” (04:14)

Memorable Moment

“That's when Pat wore a name necklace that said Allah Akba... the elevator guy was Islamic, and he told Pat in the elevator, 'I'll cut your neck.' He thought that was very, very, you know, disrespectful, blasphemous.”
— Molly Rogers (04:52)
The encounter foreshadowed future controversies in their Morocco film shoot.

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2. The Stories Behind Iconic Fashion Choices (05:56–11:36)

• Mismatched Shoes: Explained as a spontaneous SJP "you don’t have to choose, baby" moment that made it onto the show. (06:11)
• Unexpected Props: Carrie’s see-through clutch briefly contained a stolen restaurant fork—an inside joke and nod to NYC club culture. (06:31)
• The Fake Fendi (07:07): The show's playful subplot about knockoff bags, Samantha’s confrontation at the Playboy Mansion, and the ultimate pro-authentic message. “I can’t imagine Fendi was happy with us… but in the end, don’t we come out on the side that you shouldn’t buy the knockoffs?” —Kristin Davis (07:17)
• Personal Archive: Kristin reveals she’s kept several pieces, including a tiny crochet crop top—"My daughter would probably love it, but I wouldn’t want her to wear it." (07:53)

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3. Inside the Playboy Mansion & Wild Scene Memories (08:40–11:27)

• Playboy Mansion Shoot: Molly shares photos with Hugh Hefner and his girlfriends; Kristin remembers feeling socially out of place and picking up on the “wacky, competitive” vibe among the mansion's residents. (08:42–09:49)
• Miranda's Iconic Colors & Charlotte’s Sarong: The show’s characters had distinct style lanes even in offbeat settings. “Everybody looks so great… such a great lineup of outfits.” (11:30, 13:18)

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4. Crafting the Overall Look & The Costuming Process (11:36–14:28)

• Styling the Group: Costume choices were intricately staged so that “no one ever would wear someone else’s style.” SJP’s look was always set first—"plant Carrie and then do it art direction-wise on everyone else.” (12:16)
• Behind the Fittings: The complex interplay of individual fittings, color coordination, and distinct "lanes" for each character’s fashion personality.

Memorable Quote

"That was such a great thing that everybody had their own lane and no one ever would wear someone else's style. You just couldn't swap them... Like a lot of times you can on television."
— Molly Rogers (12:51)

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5. Backstage Drama: Costuming Department Mutiny! (18:11–25:20)

• Growing Pains: As the show exploded, the costume department swelled with new hires, promotions, and a “mutiny” against legendary designer Pat Field. Assistants allegedly tried to form their own coup—"They wanted everyone gone. They wanted to take over." (23:05)
• Kristin’s Shock: The cast was mostly oblivious; Kristin: “I had no idea it was this bad. I really didn’t.” (25:33)

Notable Quote

“They wanted to overthrow the Pat government... Plan didn’t quite work out, but your first strategy was to go to Sarah Jessica and tell her that Pat drank too much.”
— Molly Rogers (22:40)

• Reflections: Molly notes she was “so miserable in season three,” even as they produced some of the show’s most lasting looks.

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6. The Clothes That Still Give a Rush (29:20–37:33)

• Personal Favorites: Kristin raves about the green shorts outfit (“I see that outfit online still. It really lives on.” —29:29).
• Source Stories: Dresses from Century 21, vintage stores, and designer showrooms (including a Dior “free for all” thanks to connections in Paris).
• Red Carpet & Vintage Channels: The evolution of red-carpet promo, the rise in rarity and value of vintage pieces (the Dior newspaper dress “on sale for $250,000”—31:24)—and the pressures stylists now face for “the perfect look.”
• Richard Tyler’s Golden Globes Dress: Kristin amusingly recalls having her dress "twin" show up at the Golden Globes, all from buying off the rack at Melrose. (35:28)

Notable Moment

“Part of me, like, with Jenna Ortega, I felt like, okay, that's homage. Like, she's absolutely paying homage to Carrie.”
—Kristin Davis, on celebrities reviving SATC looks (31:29)

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7. Inside the Life of a Show Stylist (41:53–47:49)

• The Never-Ending Fittings: Kristin shares a story of coming off set at 2 a.m. and still being called in for costume try-ons. “I got in serious trouble… I was in the doghouse for like a week.” (44:24)
• Careful Coordination: With more storylines for Charlotte in Season 3, Kristin tuned out the broader drama: "I did not know about how much drama you guys were going through. I was just so excited about my own stuff." (45:09)
• Favorite Pieces: The Chanel corset top, a vintage fur, and the “diabolical” jean skirt + tights look.

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8. Storytelling Through Clothes: Character, Vintage, and Symbolism (56:39–60:38)

• Costume as Character: The podcast highlights how Carrie's silhouette in the recent And Just Like That season was subtly influenced by her book writing and her surroundings, a detail even Kristin says viewers may have missed. (57:15)
• The Legendary Cat Dress: Molly shares the painstaking process of altering an exquisite, one-of-a-kind vintage cat print dress—accidentally removing the “cat ears” sewn into the sleeves. (58:17)
• Philosophy of Fit: “Until it goes to camera, we still have the opportunity to make it just one more pit better.” —Molly (63:34)

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9. Modern Trends, Nostalgia & The Process of Style (61:26–64:27)

• Sourcing Is a Treasure Hunt: From glove jaunts to Brooklyn to scouring for jewelry, Molly and Danny's show Get the Look demystifies the labor that goes into dressing the cast.
• Evolution: The discussion touches on how much the process has changed—now with more options but ever-higher stakes.
• Accessories Count: Even “unseen” details, like the perfect shoes under a dress, remain crucial for the cast.

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10. Iconic & Outrageous Looks Recapped (65:49–67:42)

• Outfits From the Rooftop: Fishnets, “Wizard of Oz Dorothy” shoes (Sonia Rykiel), Cavalli tiny tops, and Gap mini-skirts.
• Breaking Fashion Rules: "She has an open-toed shoe on with stockings. This is like, whatever rule there is, we're gonna break it!" —Kristin (50:30); “I mean, I know. Can you imagine? Victoria’s Secret bra. Like what on earth? Like we lost our minds a bit.” (50:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “We were just rolling with it, all right? Like, we were just like, woohoo, we're going to la. And look at this crazy set of outfits.”
  —Kristin Davis (03:24)

• “Mandalay is today's Shein.”
  —Molly Rogers (04:12)

• “That was such a great thing... no one ever would wear someone else's style.”
  —Molly Rogers (12:51)

• “You don’t have to choose, baby. That’s what you say—you don’t have to choose.” (on mismatched shoes)
  —Kristin Davis (06:11)

• “I can’t imagine that Fendi was happy with us… but in the end, don’t we come out on the side that you shouldn’t buy the knockoffs?”
  —Kristin Davis (07:17)

• “They wanted everyone gone. They wanted to take over. They were better than Pat. They were smarter than Pat.”
  —Molly Rogers (23:15)

• "I had no idea that it was this bad. I really didn't."
  —Kristin Davis (25:33)

• "That was such a thing... Such a thing, such a thing." (on pashminas' popularity)
  —Molly Rogers & Kristin Davis (13:52)

• “It's a process... On the day, they’ll call Molly and Danny to make sure everything’s perfect. You have to make sure it's the best it can be before camera.”
  —Kristin Davis (63:13)

• “She looks fantastic. So who cares? People dress up like this for Halloween!” (on wild Season 3 fashion)
  —Kristin Davis (50:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:13: Fashion in LA, early Season 3 surprise, show’s timeline
• 05:56: Mismatched shoes, fork in the clutch, fake Fendi story
• 08:40: Playboy Mansion episode, unintended side effects, color coding characters
• 11:36: Art direction secrets, never swapping character styles
• 18:11: Adding to the costume team, department drama, "the coup"
• 29:20: Iconic outfits: green shorts, Dior, vintage dresses
• 41:53: Late-night fittings, group commitment, wardrobe dedication
• 56:39: Costuming as narrative: Carrie’s silhouettes, the "cat dress" story
• 65:49: Recap of wildest & most iconic season 3 outfits and style rule-breaking

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Tone and Language

• Warm, honest, playful: Kristin and Molly are candid with memories and opinions, poke fun at themselves, and joyfully celebrate the show's legacy.
• Fashion-forward yet inclusive: The conversation is peppered with inside lingo but always returns to friendship, creativity, and the ongoing love for Sex and the City’s impact.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode offers a treasure trove of fashion history, camaraderie, and juicy behind-the-scenes revelations. Whether you’re a diehard satc fan or just love a good story about creative alchemy (and chaos), Kristin and Molly’s conversation captures why the show’s style—and sense of ensemble—still matters, and still inspires, today.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? Charlotte. Today, part two of Molly Rogers and I discussing the fashion of season three. Now I have a little bit of a fun thing to talk about really quick. We go to LA in this season. Isn't that bizarre?

[Molly Rogers]

I. I was shocked when I saw your photos that the LA happened that early.

[Kristen Davis]

That's what I thought too.

[Molly Rogers]

Like, I feel like we would have. Would have had to earn it like season four.

[Kristen Davis]

Like no, I Mean, we were just rolling with it, all right? Like, we were just like, woohoo, we're going to la. And look at this crazy set of outfits. This is when Charlotte has not arrived yet, right? Because I'm back there with. With Trey, and Kim is in, like, full body blue lame. I don't know, sequins. I mean, this is when we're going.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my God. Do you remember that line called Mandalay on, like, the seventh floor of Bloomingdale's or something? Mandalay? That. Oh, no, that was at Century Mandalay.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Molly Rogers]

That's today's Shimu. Oh, Shine or whatever it's called.

[Kristen Davis]

And sheen. Yeah. God.

[Molly Rogers]

Mandalay.

[Kristen Davis]

You're so.

[Molly Rogers]

Mandalay is today's sheen.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. And what is S. Jessica wearing? It looks like she's taken, like, a blanket or a. Or a granny. Granny core.

[Molly Rogers]

That was a really dear friend of Pat's called Hushi, who was Iranian, who was painting Iranian women in burqa. Like, very political. And Sarah Jessica was into it. And she actually wore one of his vests in the movie in Morocco.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

And with a woman. Yeah. And he.

[Kristen Davis]

He made this.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. You can see the rose and the woman. It's very. I see an old Persian image.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it. How beautiful.

[Molly Rogers]

That' when Pat wore a name necklace that said allah Akba. Oh, yes. God is good. Yes. And the elevator guy was Islamic, and he told Pat in the elevator, I'll cut your neck. He thought that was very, very, you know, disrespectful, blasphemous.

[Kristen Davis]

Listen, this is some. Some foreshadowing here, okay, of where we're gonna go in the second movie. Oh, my gosh.

[Molly Rogers]

I told the second AD Peter Saldo that this man was gonna slit Pat's throat open because of her knee necklace. Peter got rid of him. And when Pat and I got into the elevator again, the guy that was standing there said, I'm his brother.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Molly Rogers]

I know. True story.

[Kristen Davis]

Good. It's really good. It's a really good story. I mean, these are things that happened. Now, other important questions. How did the mismatch shoes come about?

[Molly Rogers]

You know how you're trying. You do the same thing in your fittings. You have one on one and one on the other, and you're like, which one did I like? What do you think with the left? What do you think with the right? Why do we have to choose?

[Kristen Davis]

That's really lovely. I love it. It's very Sarah Jessica. It's very Sarah Jessica. You don't have to choose, baby. That's what you say you don't have to choose.

[Molly Rogers]

No. Yeah. I love that we got that in. There was such a short list of things that we wanted to get in. And sometimes you. You got it, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I'm so glad.

[Molly Rogers]

Like that fork in the. Remember the fork in Carrie's clutch bag?

[Kristen Davis]

No.

[Molly Rogers]

She was like, I want to go out to dinner and take. Take some silverware from the restaurant. Like people, you know, you steal the napkin from the Monkey Club or whatever.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

So she had a see through clutch and there was a fork in it.

[Kristen Davis]

What?

[Molly Rogers]

You didn't know?

[Kristen Davis]

How did I miss this? I've got to find it now. We're going to find it. Okay. Another question. Important question. The fake Fendi. Why? What, what, what were we up to here?

[Molly Rogers]

I can't imagine that Fendi was happy with us. Who were big Fendi lovers. And here we were doing the. The knockoff.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, but in the end, don't we. Don't we come out on the side that you shouldn't buy the knockoffs?

[Molly Rogers]

Yes, Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

I haven't watched it yet.

[Molly Rogers]

You know, Samantha is identified as she sees a girl at the Playboy Mansion with. That has stolen her Fendi. And the girl's like, yours isn't even real, you know, so it was that.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it. Can I say this little crochet thing that I'm wearing, I still have. It's really tiny and. And sometimes I go to get it out and I'm like, I don't even know why I have this. Here's why I have it.

[Molly Rogers]

Incredible. Is that a dress?

[Kristen Davis]

No, it's just like a little crop top. Like, my daughter would probably love it, but I wouldn't want her to wear it.

[Molly Rogers]

But okay, you're wearing a crop top in the cafe at the Standard. Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't know what I'm wearing on the bottom half. Like, it's super fascinating. I haven't rewatched this episode yet.

[Molly Rogers]

I'd love to see it.

[Kristen Davis]

Me too. And also, you've got Kim in a visor. You know, Pat's visor obsessed, as we know.

[Molly Rogers]

Visor obsessed. Whose is that? Louis Vuitton?

[Kristen Davis]

It looks like it.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I remember.

[Molly Rogers]

She's in a bathing suit. You're in a bathing suit. Everybody's dressed for California. That's what you guys look like there in the cafe scene.

[Kristen Davis]

Definitely, Definitely. I've got to re. Watch it to figure out what the heck we're doing. I mean, coming up, we're gonna be. We're gonna be walking. We're we're walking through. I remember this too, man. This crazy outfit.

[Molly Rogers]

I mean, like, it was yesterday, right?

[Kristen Davis]

And us in that Playboy mansion. What a super biz experience.

[Molly Rogers]

I mean, I could not believe that we were going to shoot there. I have a great picture of me and Hef and his three girlfriends.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord.

[Molly Rogers]

Did you ever go into the house where the girls stayed and there's that whole room that's all carpet.

[Kristen Davis]

We had to sit in there on the walls. Green room.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, was it?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, the game room.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah. With the pinballs and the things.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. And they had, like X rated sculptures that were like inside glass in the, like, there was like a conversation pit. I use quotation marks.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, That's a perfect name for that.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. And we were kind of stressed in that room, I have to say. And at the time, I remember that I was very kind of against it all, but I was. I was, like, alone in it, being against it. And we know so much more now, and we know that they weren't all thrilled, but when you were there, you could tell that those girls, it was. It was wacky. Those girls were not happy.

[Molly Rogers]

No. High. High competitiveness. High. Now, what happens to you at that pool party? You're with some guy laying on towels and pillows. Do you remember?

[Kristen Davis]

I haven't rewatched it. Charlotte.

[Molly Rogers]

You ditch him. Yeah, you ditch him or something. Something. Because I'm married, Clean.

[Kristen Davis]

I think I'm married and I'm having problems or whatever.

[Molly Rogers]

Maybe that's what it is. Because he's adorable and you're all excited and then I think you kick the curb. Could be wrong, but.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my gosh.

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[Kristen Davis]

You're not thinking of my weird time that I pretend to be 25 in the Hamptons and I get crabs from that guy?

[Molly Rogers]

No, I just watched that recently. That is a great episode.

[Kristen Davis]

It's so bizarre.

[Molly Rogers]

That episode was so good. In that episode.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, thank you, babe. I think I seem like I'm on acid or something in that episode. You know what I mean? I'm like, you know, it's hilarious. But I'm also wearing Shoshana. Do you remember when Shoshana was. I don't know if she still makes clothes, but this bikini top is Shoshana. And I love Shoshana because it fit me. It was for women with, you know, bodies. Right? Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

And it had that little preppy print that we often reached for.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Here we've got the cherries quite a bit.

[Kristen Davis]

We did. We really did. I think I Have some of those.

[Molly Rogers]

She also had that classic halter top dress. Yep.

[Kristen Davis]

And I still have. This is my own sarong that I still have. And I was just so happy I got to wear it because I remember just being panicked.

[Molly Rogers]

I'm so glad you had. Yeah, I remember you were looking for something.

[Kristen Davis]

Yep. I'm so happy that it worked out. And I think Cynthia might have this. I don't know if she has this dress, but she should have this dress because it's fantastic. I don't know who made it.

[Molly Rogers]

Look at those Miranda colors.

[Kristen Davis]

Gorgeous. So gorgeous. Everybody looks so great. I mean.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, it's a good. It's a good one.

[Kristen Davis]

And the thing that I remember, and I don't know what your thoughts are on this, because once we got to be doing. And just like that, obviously I was more paying attention to what you were having to go through in terms of getting everybody kind of modulated to each other. But back in the olden days, how much of the overall look were you stressing about?

[Molly Rogers]

You know, I want to say that you really had on in just like that, a very finely tuned profess producer hat. Like, you looked at the bigger picture.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, that's the fun of it, right?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. It was cool. You knew you wanted to know what was going on in the world. I think always, if you're asking this, you know, it was so helpful to always get Sarah Jessica first and fit her and know what she was wearing. And then, Pat, could Art direct the coffee shop. She's in stripes, you're in polka dots. This one's in purple, and that one's in chinchilla. Whatever. And I think it helped to always be able to, you know, plant Carrie and then do it art direction wise on everyone else.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right, right, right.

[Molly Rogers]

That was such a great thing that everybody had their own lane and no one ever would wear someone else's style. You just couldn't swap them. Like, a lot of times you can on television.

[Kristen Davis]

That is so true. That is so true. There are little things, though, like, we did jump around a bit, but when we're on the boat where we. Where we have just gotten Trey and I'm wearing this beautiful Dolce print, like, sherbet colored print.

[Molly Rogers]

I looked at that picture. Do you remember this?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah, of course I remember this. This was really fun. We're on a boat in the Hudson river and we had to keep turning around so that the background matched.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

So it was a long day on the boat, and Kyle was new. Right. Like, this is maybe his second Episode. Right. So it was really, really fun. So I'm wearing this Dolce dress, which I think I really was so excited that I got to have a Dolce dress. Right. But then I'm cold, so I have a pashmina, which was not really in my lane.

[Molly Rogers]

Well, I mean, pashminas were really like a thing.

[Kristen Davis]

They were such a thing.

[Molly Rogers]

Such a thing, Such a thing.

[Kristen Davis]

Such a thing.

[Molly Rogers]

SJ's got on a Bulgari Nazi. There you. That's another tell. You've got a pashmina. It's, like, starting to get expensive. SJ's wearing a Bulgari necklace.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, that was a good one too. Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

I love that Bulgarian doing in that pink. Preppy.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I think it's pink and brown. Molly. Like, literally, I think he's wearing a brown suit.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my God.

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With pink.

[Molly Rogers]

That is crazy. Cynthia with her scarf neck. Oh, my gosh. That is a crazy one.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it. Right, right, right. We have so many, so, so many lipstick skirts. I know. Let's talk about that. Do you remember when I called and I was like, I need to have this skirt.

[Molly Rogers]

I couldn't have. I didn't think that you could have found a better skirt.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. Thank you, babe.

[Molly Rogers]

Pat was like, now you have that.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I have it. I wear it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, judiciously, you know, special occasions, but that. And I love the. The Prada. Prada bowling bag, which I didn't get to keep, of course. It's funny because there's no belt. Like, what came over Pat? I think it was because we had to have matching because I was falling in the street.

[Molly Rogers]

The stunt.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, right. Because normally she would have had some 5 inch belt on there, you know.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah. And I love that you're in the classic white blouse.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I have that too. I have that too. I wore that when Megan thee stallion came on the podcast.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. You've had such amazing guests.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

But I was like, I don't know why I wore it for Megan. Megan does not care. Do you know what I mean?

[Molly Rogers]

Hilarious.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it. I know.

[Molly Rogers]

Really good listening.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you. Thank you, babe. Okay, wait, let's talk about. Did you know that I had Chloe Maul on the podcast before she got named head of Vogue? I didn't even know that she was in line. You know Chloe.

[Molly Rogers]

Who did I know?

[Kristen Davis]

Sarah Jessica. Sarah Jessica told me Sarah Jessica was like, chloe's gonna be the new editor. I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe you know this and cool for Chloe, because she's very, very cool. And she's Candace's daughter, so of course we love her. And we had asked her in advance, you know, what costumes, what clothes would you like to talk about from the show? And so she sent things that were so unexpected. And for Charlotte, she basically sent all of my vintage nightgowns.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow. What a story.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. Very interesting, right?

[Molly Rogers]

That's a whole topic.

[Kristen Davis]

It is a whole topic. And luckily I have most of them, except I do not have this tacky thing. Okay.

[Molly Rogers]

I was looking at that from the pictures that you sent, which I am looking at now. How did we come up with salacious?

[Kristen Davis]

It is very salacious. And I remember being super stressed about it.

[Molly Rogers]

Like, you must have been so. You must. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

So self conscious. And also, I remember calling my manager because I think. I think possibly that Pat felt like I should not be wearing underwear.

[Molly Rogers]

I'm. That sounds totally correct. I am not going to change your statement at all. That sounds like something. Why? What's wrong with a nipple?

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And. Or other things.

[Molly Rogers]

Exactly. I don't. You know, it's so interesting that Chloe would say the nightgown story because you took your moments in your bedroom or washing your face or whatever was happening in your private inner home, and you made that a real scene that we could shop for.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, thank you, you guys. Not me.

[Molly Rogers]

Not me. One of us would ever pass up a pajama set.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. I know. That was fun times. But even really fun, it was more the vintage. The vintage, you know, 90s that you guys found.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't know how you.

[Molly Rogers]

They look incredible on you.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank you, baby. Where did you find them? Where did you go?

[Molly Rogers]

Everywhere. As. As I remember. Everywhere. I can't. Nothing really pops out in my head. Like we would, you know, put that on the shopping list and say we have to stop by, blah, blah, blah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Molly Rogers]

But I'm sure everywhere, because Pat was such a vintage.

[Kristen Davis]

Goodness. Yeah. Thank goodness. Now, let me ask you this. This is the season where I remember that we had a lot of more people on the costume roster. You know.

[Molly Rogers]

You are devilish.

[Kristen Davis]

I am devilish. It's true. But just for. Just for everyone, because I think it's interesting. So there was Pat and there was you. And then explain the. The other parts of the department.

[Molly Rogers]

Season three, was Pat her girlfriend of I don't know how many years?

[Kristen Davis]

No. Rebecca's not still there. No.

[Molly Rogers]

Season three. Yes. Pat decided to give a raise and a punch up to one of the drivers of the Van. And he became a shopper along with someone else. And it was so contentious.

[Kristen Davis]

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I did not remember that Rebecca stayed along this long. Like, I thought she was gone season one.

[Molly Rogers]

No, she was there when the two shoppers got bumped up.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. So then we just made everybody miserable. Okay, so wait. Okay, let's rehash a little bit. So we've got you guys at the top, and then we've got Taylor's over here. We've got our dressers on stage, though. At that point, we didn't each have a dresser. We were. I don't know if melei was with us. I think she was. And I think we were all fighting over melee. We all wanted Melei to dress us, right?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And we had Kevin. Kevin was still around. Yes. And he could sew and also, like, help with emergencies or whatever.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And then. Right. And then we had shoppers. And like, once we get to. And just like that, like, I had my own shopper, which was fantastic. Right? Are you laughing at me?

[Molly Rogers]

Why? The setup of this structure that year.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, it's interesting because this is when I remember it actually kind of becoming much more functional in some ways. But then also maybe because.

[Molly Rogers]

Dysfunctional.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. There's some dysfunction also in it, I think, because of the success also. Don't you think?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kristen Davis]

And people were kind of drawn and coming. Like, there was a certain point where I remember you guys had a bunch of interns. I don't think it had happened yet. Right. Like, when did those come?

[Molly Rogers]

You could still. You could still have interns and not pay them and work them for hours. And I have a letter. I have a letter in my memento box with all those magazines, and there's a letter from an intern saying I can no longer work here because of the way I've been treated. I was told to never look at the actors in their eyes. What? It's the funniest.

[Kristen Davis]

But whoever said that?

[Molly Rogers]

No one. But it's just. I would.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't remember anyone saying anything like that.

[Molly Rogers]

It goes on and on about the abuse they suffered as an intern with us. It's so good. It's like, what's her name that everybody's in love with right now that has the PR company that she comes and says crazy stuff like, there's no crying in fashion.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, God, I love her so much. What's her name? I do, I do, I do. She was like, last week or whatever. It was all over Instagram. That was really fun. Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, I love her. Anyway, it was those days where you could be like, no. No one goes to the bathroom and no one eats until this stuff is checked in.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. So Pat has taken a driver and decided, we love this driver, and we're going to give this driver a raise. And then one of the shoppers, who we will not name gets, gets kind of chummy with the driver who's been promoted, and they feel disgruntled in some way.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. And they feel also that they all of a sudden, the power of getting the promotion from driver to shopper, it went to their heads, and they wanted to overthrow the Pat government. Ooh.

[Kristen Davis]

After you've gotten a promotion from Pat, you want to overthrow Pat. That is not enough. Well, thank God. I mean, that's bonkers.

[Molly Rogers]

Plan didn't quite work out, but your first strategy was to go to Sarah Jessica and tell her that Pat drank too much. Away from the mic.

[Kristen Davis]

When I laugh. What did Pat say? What did Pat say? What did Sarah Jessica say? What happened?

[Molly Rogers]

Pat found out about the mutiny, and it. I just don't. It just was so awful and unpleasant.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no.

[Molly Rogers]

And you were always having to watch your back, and they wanted. They wanted everyone gone. They wanted to take over. They were better than Pat. They were smarter than Pat.

[Kristen Davis]

That's insane.

[Molly Rogers]

It was really a crazy. I. Wow. I mean, I've worked on things where assistants. One show in Atlanta where an assistant was determined to get rid of me and take my job, and she did. And people like that can make things miserable because they ingratiate themselves to the actors and the producers and spin this image of themselves as, I'm the only person who knows sneakers, or I'm the. I am the sneaker head, or I am the queen of all couture, and you can do without them. And it is so unpleasant.

[Kristen Davis]

It's awful. It's awful. Clearly.

[Molly Rogers]

So season three was Rocky.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow. I didn't even. And we really know this.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. We were. We were just blowing up.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

And then. So obviously they're not like that now. Well, these folks.

[Kristen Davis]

But they're still working.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Oh.

[Kristen Davis]

Let me ask you this.

[Molly Rogers]

Matured.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank God.

[Molly Rogers]

Didn't ruin them. Pat didn't bury them. Pat was a confident person who was like, live and let live.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Molly Rogers]

Pretty much. Pat was always like that in her store. Anybody, like, did something heinous, Pat would forgive and give them a chance, you know, but this was next. Next level.

[Kristen Davis]

But clearly these people who went to Sarah Jessica didn't really understand. Sarah Jessica would never like the dynamics.

[Molly Rogers]

They did. They thought they were really worth a they thought they could overthrow.

[Kristen Davis]

That's some serious ego because Sir Jessica was solidly pat, like oh my gosh.

[Molly Rogers]

So loyal.

[Kristen Davis]

So loyal.

[Molly Rogers]

And yeah, it was. I was so miserable season three. So when you sent me all these pictures of clothes, I'm like look at what we accomplished while we were getting our knives in our backs.

[Kristen Davis]

I had no idea that it was this bad. I really didn't.

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[Kristen Davis]

I'll tell you the thing about me when I think about season three. First of all, when I look back and one of my absolute favorite outfits I don't think is in our pile, which is when she's wearing the green shorts and she loses the dog and she runs through the village. Yeah, I love that outfit so much. And I see that outfit online still. Like, like they're like Zoe Kravitz is wearing, you know, a Carrie esque outfit. Like it really lives on, you know. But to me, first of all, season three to me is when, as a show, as, as the writing and the directing and the acting, everything gels very, very powerfully. And the costumes bump everything up. Like just in a beautiful, out of the normal way. Like just from left field. Like, everything is so great. And I remember at the time, you know, when she wears that green skirt that you found at Century 21 with a little ruffle in the back. I think it's Westwood, right?

[Molly Rogers]

I was like, it is.

[Kristen Davis]

That's weird. Like, you know me, my Southern conservative self, I'm like, that, that's too much. I'm stupid, right? I'm really stupid. But I would never say that out loud, right? Because obviously I was like, you guys are the masters. I don't know nothing. You know yeah. And when I look back on it, it's, like, so creative and amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

So perfect to get scared by a rat in.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Kristen Davis]

So perfect to get scared by a rat in. Oh, wait. Dior newspaper. How did this happen?

[Molly Rogers]

You know, Pat was in really thick with that lovely, lovely Asian girl that ran the Dior showroom, who also was the type of person who there are no rules. What do you want? Take it.

[Kristen Davis]

And Amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

Finish shooting it. Wow. You don't need to bring it back until you've gotten it on the show.

[Kristen Davis]

Nice.

[Molly Rogers]

A free for all. And John Galliano loved this girl.

[Kristen Davis]

Nice.

[Molly Rogers]

So anytime she would ring Paris and say, send me more rings and send me more bags, and they were on it.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing.

[Molly Rogers]

She had such good people connections there, and that is where that came from.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it so much.

[Molly Rogers]

Yes. I love it so much.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Molly Rogers]

It's on sale on first dibs, I believe, for $250,000.

[Kristen Davis]

Insane. Is this since Jenna Ortega wore it? I think so, yeah. Part of me, like, with Jenna Ortega, I felt like, okay, that's homage. Like, she's absolutely paying homage to Carrie. That's how I felt when I saw it. Did you not?

[Molly Rogers]

For me, it takes away from the importance of it. When you wear it for two seconds on a carpet, and then that's how you like. I don't. I find that to be so throw away.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Molly Rogers]

I. That's just how I look at it.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. I mean, I will say, I do think that the red carpet situation has accelerated in kind of a lunatic way beyond. And it is just a moment. Right. But now, if you look at even just, like, press tours, like these, you know, gimmicky press tours are all the rage. Right?

[Molly Rogers]

With, like, oh, right, we're gonna wear tennis stuff at Challengers and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And Dune. We're gonna. Right now.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. Like, it's. It's. It's quite something. But to me, I think that's somewhat. And tell me what you think. Remember when we went back to work after Covid, and all of the. The houses were suffering, you know, suffering to the point where they only had one set of samples. Remember? You find something and they say, like, oh, we can't afford to make more than one set of samples.

[Molly Rogers]

It's in China.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly, exactly. Or it was in Palm beach trying to be sold or whatever the heck. Right.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And it was kind of scary. Like, I really felt like, well, that whole beautiful part of the industry is at risk.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

So I feel like they had to try to find a Way. And the way was, who can we get on the carpet wearing, you know, the latest thing or, you know, whatever? And then I feel like really creative styluses like Law, you know, have gone to the vintage, which, you know, we know has always been a Trevor trove of. Of beauty and genius.

[Molly Rogers]

Right, right. And they're really harvesting the vintage, which is also kind of concerning in a way. But what also is happening, Kristen, is when I. Let's say I want to borrow the Valentino red gown while I'm doing a speaking engagement that Nicole Ari Parker wore cross Park Avenue.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

A lot of houses are saying, no, we're not loaning anything that hasn't been done by the current designer.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah. Because they've all changed designers.

[Molly Rogers]

It's gotten very, very narrow as to. They don't promote. They don't want to promote, like, the image of the house. It's all about the current creative director.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, then that interesting. It is interesting. And that's why I think vintage is actually important, because that's a way for you to say, well, you know, we'd like to honor this person. Or, you know what I'm trying to say, because you can't all have it be. There's not enough to go around of.

[Molly Rogers]

The last show in no way and to remain nameless. But a very, very huge, popular fashion show happened just a little bit ago, and I was told, make sure you text me backstage as the piece is walking. Wow. Because when that show's over, this stuff is spoken for.

[Kristen Davis]

Good Lord. That's crazy.

[Molly Rogers]

And that is next level.

[Kristen Davis]

Did you get what you wanted for what you need?

[Molly Rogers]

No, ma'. Am. No. It was like, no, no. That's going to can. Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, no, it's very intense. It's very intense.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

That's why I don't even go, well, I don't even want to go to events. Oh, let's talk about Richard Tyler for a second. Because I don't think that people know who Richard Tyler is.

[Molly Rogers]

No, it's. It's in that something like, I don't know how successful he ever got, but he was a big name in la.

[Kristen Davis]

And he was a big name for us because Carrie wore him. And then I ended up wearing him to our very first Golden Globes because I didn't have a stylist, and he's here in la and he had a shop on Melrose, and I went in and tried on things that were, like, in the store. You know what I mean? So I go to the Golden Globes and There's another woman at the Golden Globes wearing my same dress because it was from the store and she just bought it, like, no offense to her, obviously, you know what I mean? And I think we just kind of waved at each other, like sheepishly, you know what I'm saying? We didn't take a picture like how you would do now. Right. But we were kind of like, hi, you know, saying, but he was the nicest, nicest man. And such a brilliant tailor. Like, such a brilliant tailor. And I remember, honestly, Sarah Jessica wore him to an awards thing.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Like when she won maybe the Golden Globes the next year. And I also wore him, but I can't remember which one it was. Maybe it was this red dress. Maybe it was the first Golden Globes. And I remember going to return my dress and she had been so nervous. You know, she loves her perfume. Obviously she'd sprayed her whole dress with perfume because that's what she does when she's nervous. When I walked in the store, the whole store smelled like Sarah Jessica in a good, amazing. Yeah, yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

And that is always a good way.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. She's really good with her sense.

[Molly Rogers]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But this dress, isn't it true that you only had one and they fall in the pond? No, you had more.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay. There were three.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, three actually.

[Molly Rogers]

Beautiful. And you know, you never have to, you never ever have to use it because you know what stops them from resetting? The hair and makeup are gonna say it's gonna take us two hours. And so they're like, no, we're getting it in one. Because they would never wait that long.

[Kristen Davis]

They would never. But also they were brilliant in that one take. They didn't need to be doing anything.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, no, no. That was so great.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, that's the truth.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember that day like yesterday too, too. This season three is really coming up. It's a lot bubbling up.

[Kristen Davis]

I know season three is a lot. And what do you remember about it? I remember the, the, the fear of her getting, getting cut in the water and then pouring hydrogen peroxide.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember them giving them earplugs so they didn't get any bacteria coming through their ores. Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

That'S funny. I love it, I love it, I love it.

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Trainer Games Narrator]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

This reminds me of a different, really great Prada. Sorry, not Prada. Charlotte dress that I remember complaining about.

[Molly Rogers]

What were you complaining about? This.

[Kristen Davis]

I was complaining because it got me. I know. It's fantastic. I should have kept my little mouth shut. Pat's got a big, long ponytail. I think this is also when she was lobbying for those short bangs. Right. Which, of course, I said no to. But the thing that I think of when I look at this outfit, this is in the gallery, and it's one of those ones where all of us are together and Willie's there, there. And it's a great lineup of outfits. I'm gonna find the picture in a second. But the thing that I think about this one, first of all, it's a great shape. I love the whole thing. Now when I look at it, I think I felt insecure. And I'm wearing hoop earrings, which, you know, Pat made me do because I don't ever wear hoop earrings like this.

[Molly Rogers]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

But I love it. I love it. And she made me wear this whole long, fake ponytail. And I remember saying, like, charlotte wouldn't do this. No, no, no, no. But it looks fantastic. I was so silly.

[Molly Rogers]

It does. I love, love, love this dress on you. What a gallerina.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's so great. It's so good. I don't know where the group photo is, but. Do you remember the group photo? It's one they use a lot, you know, like, in retrospect.

[Molly Rogers]

Remember it?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. I don't know where it went.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember. It's.

[Kristen Davis]

It's good.

[Molly Rogers]

It's. It's also like an iconic lineup of you guys.

[Kristen Davis]

It is.

[Molly Rogers]

Everybody's in their style lane.

[Kristen Davis]

Everyone's in their style Lane. And it's beautifully are directed in terms of how we all go together by you guys, you know, which I don't think people realize how hard that is and how much added work that is in a way that I think people are just watching the show and just thinking that it just happens or whatever.

[Molly Rogers]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

But it's tough. You gotta, like. I remember you guys, you know, we would have like three or four fittings or whatever just because, you know, we had to fine tune or we might have to change something based on what someone else is wearing or, you know.

[Molly Rogers]

I can't believe you guys gave us that much time.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, we did. I. I do remember.

[Molly Rogers]

I. It's incredible.

[Kristen Davis]

It is incredible. And one time I did get in some serious trouble because we were at Silver cup and it was one of those times when I was supposed to go to a fitting after work, but I got done with work at 2 in the morning and I assumed I was going to go home. And they were like, oh, no, no, you have to go to costume now. And I was like, like, it's two in the morning.

[Molly Rogers]

No, we were there waiting for you.

[Kristen Davis]

You were there waiting for me. And I was like, shot at you. I know. I was like, oh, guys, it's like so late. Do I have to go? And then word got around to certain people that I had complained and I.

[Molly Rogers]

Was in the doghouse.

[Kristen Davis]

I was seriously in the doghouse for like a week.

[Molly Rogers]

Yikes.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, I know.

[Molly Rogers]

But I was like, we didn't want you when you were exhausted. We didn't want you to come in and not be able to pull stuff over your. You know, that was bad for everybody.

[Kristen Davis]

It was. But we didn't really have a chance. We didn't have a chance. We didn't have options, you know, if.

[Molly Rogers]

You were working every day in that episode. No, no.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, I want to ask you about this outfit. I love this outfit. There's a lot of three. Season three. What I was going to say about season three that I remember, I did not know about how much drama you guys were going through. I remember that. It was like so much storyline for me. Right. Like, Charlotte had never had this big of a storyline, like the whole Trey thing. And it was also like just such a glorious, intense summer. I barely remember what was going on in the bigger picture. I just remember being just so excited about my own stuff and just trying to get through it or do it well or you know what I'm saying? Like, I kind of tuned out a lot. I was very focused, but it was really. I had to for sure. And it was. They were asking more of me, so I was, you know, trying to make sure I gave it well. But when I did rewatch, it was fun because I didn't remember a lot of other people's storylines. Like, I didn't remember, like, when Carrie and Aiden start dating and he won't have sex with her. She wears this and it's like cut on the sides. Oh, it's incredible. And it's embroidered like hand. I don't know who made this thing, but it is so good. It is so good.

[Molly Rogers]

I. I looked at that when you sent that picture and I was like micro, micro mini on Carrie big time.

[Kristen Davis]

It's because she's trying to get him to have sex with her and he won't have sex with her. That crazy man. And they make out in the doorway and it's very hot.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

And then he leaves and it gets her. She's so confused. Like, what am I doing wrong? What is going on? And he says his adopt is crazy speech. He gives her like, you know, Carrie, I just wanna, you know, I've done it. I've done sex quickly. And you know how he talks like kind of slow back then.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I just want to make sure, you know that I, you know, feel something for you. And I feel like you're someone I could care about. He says. And she's like, okay. Like it's pretty, pretty odd.

[Molly Rogers]

Wow.

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Molly Rogers]

I don't remember that part.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, do you remember the opera?

[Molly Rogers]

I do actually.

[Kristen Davis]

Gorgeous.

[Molly Rogers]

I killed myself to get you gals opera glasses.

[Kristen Davis]

I remember that. And they were good because that was part of the plot. She had to see big and Natasha.

[Molly Rogers]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Glasses. And they were beautiful. Vintage, like mother of pearl.

[Molly Rogers]

Do you remember what you were wearing?

[Kristen Davis]

Yes.

[Molly Rogers]

So classic Charlotte.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm wearing a Chanel, like I'm gonna pull it up short kind of corset, chiffon thing that I still own that I love very much. And I do think that you actually got me in an actual fur. I'm very sorry to everyone who loves animals. I do believe I'm wearing an actual fur. It was very hard to say no again to Pat. But it does look beautiful.

[Molly Rogers]

That looks vintage.

[Kristen Davis]

It does look vintage. It's very, very old fashioned. And then this I think is Dolce. The Sarah's beautiful dress. It's so her.

[Molly Rogers]

I remember that I could be wrong. We can, somebody can tell us. But I remember we went through an anemolinari phase with Carol.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Because she wore animal Molinari to, to the Emmys. That yellow dress, do you remember the yellow beaded like bugle beads? No. Yes. The first time we go to the Emmys, Sarah is wearing Anna Molinari. And everybody was like, who?

[Molly Rogers]

But that actually looks like it does have a Dolce bra, doesn't it?

[Kristen Davis]

It does. I Feel like it's Dolce. But I really could be wrong. I really could be wrong.

[Molly Rogers]

Like it.

[Kristen Davis]

I love Animal.

[Molly Rogers]

I just love that I pulled that name up.

[Kristen Davis]

You did. You did well. You did really well. Now, my producers love this picture of Miranda, which I think is so hysterical because she has a scarf tied around her neck. And what does that make you think of, Molly?

[Molly Rogers]

Well, between this scarf around her neck and that hairdo.

[Kristen Davis]

Who is she?

[Molly Rogers]

I don't know.

[Kristen Davis]

She could have played Charlotte and then just like that. Because remember my scarf storylines that we got rid of? Oh, this is the pretend stewardess. You're absolutely right. Yes. She wears this scarf and then she still has it on when they have sex, when she's pretending to be the stewardess. And she's got some crazy hair. This is what it is. You're so smart that you pulled that out. Oh, my gosh. This is a good shot of the Bulgari necklace. I remember the Bulgari. Weren't there relatives of this necklace?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, she had a bunch and they were like, very. We were very excited that we got a hold of them.

[Molly Rogers]

It's like finding jewelry for four distinct characters was always such pain.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, I know. But then think about, like when we did, and just like that. Oh, my gosh. The embarrassment of riches.

[Molly Rogers]

I mean, God, there was just a plethora.

[Kristen Davis]

It was incredible.

[Molly Rogers]

The jewelry game is like the beauty game now. Whole different story.

[Kristen Davis]

It is a totally different story and a good one. Wait, this is my all time favorite outfit. I so forgot about this.

[Molly Rogers]

You're kidding.

[Kristen Davis]

I love this outfit.

[Molly Rogers]

This is diabolical. How did it happen?

[Kristen Davis]

I love the hair. I love all of it. How did the tights happen with the jean skirt?

[Molly Rogers]

I'm sure that looks like a Rebecca move. Wow. Yeah, that looks like something Rebecca would be into.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, let's do it. You did a belt around your. You did a belt around your waist walking down the street. Let's do this. That's what people do with their pantyhose.

[Kristen Davis]

I. I don't remember this at all at the time. I think it's really funny.

[Molly Rogers]

She has an open toed shoe on with stockings. This is like whatever rule there is, we're gonna break it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. And I think that's what I like about diabolical. But she looks fantastic. So who cares? People dress up like this for Halloween.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, my God. A shiny bra like that. She wouldn't be.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I know. Can you imagine? It's like a Victoria's Secret Bra. Like what on earth? Like we lost our minds a little bit in this season, you know?

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kristen Davis]

But in the best possible way. Look, here's the Bulgarian necklace again with the dvf. We've got a lot of Sarah in dvf. Carrie carries in a lot of DVF this year also.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, that's. I mean, I can see how, I mean that. That holds up, doesn't it?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh my God, it's so amazing. The wrap dress and also like DVF for the show. So perfect in terms of who she is and who she designed. Incredible, right?

[Molly Rogers]

Look at Miranda's work. Look.

[Kristen Davis]

This is a good Miranda's work. Look. It's really good. It's really, really good. This is when I think she's talking about how Steve is a child. I could be wrong, but Steve is around, you know, looking adorable but also acting very, very childish occasionally, which is also pretty funny. Pretty funny. Okay, wait. Now I'm getting to episodes that I haven't rewatched yet.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, okay. Where are you. What are you looking at?

[Kristen Davis]

I'm, I'm. I've got this one picture of Carrie. I don't have any idea what the heck she's wearing here.

[Molly Rogers]

That was some. Maybe related to the Iranian.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, neato.

[Molly Rogers]

Possibly.

[Kristen Davis]

Incredible. Incredible.

[Molly Rogers]

Look, her G string showing.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, this is so 90s. The thing that I think of here when I look at Samantha because she's in all one color and then she's got like a. It looks like a. I don't know what bag it is, maybe a Bhutan or whatever. But it's starting her remember how eventually she would be wearing head to toe logos.

[Molly Rogers]

Really?

[Kristen Davis]

Oh yeah. Like I feel like Celine maybe or something.

[Molly Rogers]

Really?

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[Kristen Davis]

I mean at a certain point, man. And it. I wonder what, what people are going to say about that when we get back to it. It was a lot.

[Molly Rogers]

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[Kristen Davis]

I know label on label crime. But she could pull it off. You know, she could pull it off and it kind of made sense.

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[Kristen Davis]

You know what I was thinking about, too? You know what? I think that people. I don't know if people still know this or not about. And just like that, because I just saw. Because I talk about this now. And so my Instagram is all full of this, right? And I saw this really adorable kind of template of Carrie in. And just like that, it was like four outfits. And the hat is there, the Holly Hobby hat. And they were. I don't know if they were all from the last season. They might have been all over the place. But I don't know if people realize what you guys were doing with her silhouette and her. Her overall look in the final season.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. I don't think that translated that she was writing that book and it was influencing her silhouette, her choices, because it was kind of seeping into her. But it was fun.

[Kristen Davis]

Wasn't that fun? But this is what I think about it. People might not realize it intellectually, because I didn't even realize it intellectually until the cat dress that she wears to my birthday party at her house because it had that bustle, and I had seen it upstairs because you guys had to really remake that dress. Like, you had to work for a while on that dress. Right? Right.

[Molly Rogers]

Yes, we did.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. And I was like, what is going on here? And then I was like, oh, my God. It's because of the book she's reliving. She's living in this old, you know, historical brownstone in Gramercy. She's writing a book about a woman going through the turn of the century and those different things. And her silhouette is changing as a result of this. And that is brilliant.

[Molly Rogers]

Right, That. I want to tell you a little story about that. That dress really quickly. That fabric is beyond belief. Up close, it is metallic thread. It is stunning. And to even chop something on that dress to make it different in the front was wrecking my nerve. Then I didn't quite think we had nailed it. We sent SJ7 pictures of what the top could look like. It could be ruched here. It could go here. It could do that. Okay. She chose one, and so we did it. I would say. Two months ago, I ran into the girl that showed that sold it to us in London, and she said, oh, I noticed you cut the cat's ears off on the sleeve. Oh, no. It had little tabs here on this. I. She goes, those were the cat ears. Oh.

[Kristen Davis]

Who knew? Oh, no. Well, listen, I think it was such.

[Molly Rogers]

A little gorgeous detail.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. That is sad about the cat ears.

[Molly Rogers]

But, yeah, to touch that fabric was so frightened.

[Kristen Davis]

But, like, how old was it?

[Molly Rogers]

I have no idea anything about it. We were mesmerized by the fabric. Adrian didn't have enough fabric to do one of the alts on it. We sent a scrap of it. Someone tried to recreate it, and you can't tell it on the dress. There's a piece of fake cat fabric in there.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing. So you bought it in London at a vintage place. But we don't know the actual.

[Molly Rogers]

That's fabulous. No, I don't know its provenance, but I should find out because that was. It made us cat crazy. First of all, we were such. I don't know, that season three, we were crazy for cats. You know, we had them all on the pillows. In her Grandmaster, we just went.

[Kristen Davis]

I love it. Because she had a cat shoe and. Or lotus in real life. I love it. I love all those details. And I mean, I think it's interesting because on the one hand, everything is nitpicked and, you know, analyzed, as we were saying. But then sometimes there's a bigger picture thing that is sure seen.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. The story.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

Which Michael Patrick always accuses me of not reading.

[Kristen Davis]

No, you were always reading and doing your own version of it. And that's where Sarah Jessica really connects with you about the bigger picture. What's happening in the bigger picture. Underneath what might be obvious.

[Molly Rogers]

It'S just a lifetime thrill to shop for you all. I mean, honestly, it really is a special moment in time.

[Kristen Davis]

It is, isn't it? And you know what? I really loved, and my publicist also really loves the little show that you guys made, you and Danny, where you go shopping around town. I don't know if you guys watched it. It was called.

[Molly Rogers]

What was it called?

[Kristen Davis]

Get the look or something like this.

[Molly Rogers]

I don't. Yeah, something like that. With Genesis. The car.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. And those are some nice cars. And I remember when you were like, I don't know what's happening? We're gonna drive around, you know.

[Molly Rogers]

Right. We were kind of having to simulate each episode shopping for it. I didn't. I don't know if we pulled it off or not, but it totally did.

[Kristen Davis]

You know what you did. Because, listen, I know the truth is maybe not that more glamorous, right? Like, not possibly that glamorous. But on the other hand, people really don't understand what you guys do. Right. And you have to go to jewelry shops and you have to go out to Brooklyn to, like, you know, find. Like, I remember one time you're going looking for some gloves, I think, and you had to go, like, far, you know, like, you're always on the search. So whether it was, like, completely 100% accurate or not, I think it was a really lovely kind of like, bird's eye view of. Oh, what do they do?

[Molly Rogers]

What it takes. Yeah, the treasure hunt.

[Kristen Davis]

And you know what else I wish we had footage of or more footage of, because I'm sure there's some footage of when you would come in. So every day when we would have had our fittings, probably more than one, sometimes you would have a fitting, like, let's say it was my birthday dress. Right. We knew that was coming. We had our idea. Maybe that wasn't what Michael Patrick saw. We had a process, Right. And we won, which was super exciting. I love that dress so much. It worked out. But, like, that will be. Over time. That will be. Each fitting will revisit that dress. Right. And then we'll think about accessories. Shoes, jewelry, hair, tiara, blah, blah, blah.

[Molly Rogers]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

So it's a process. And then on the day of the first time you're putting on an outfit, they'll call Molly and Danny to come make sure everything's perfect. So maybe you might have jewelry choices that weren't totally decided there when you were.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah, right.

[Kristen Davis]

Or maybe they hadn't come yet. Right. Like, we might have gotten more jewelry. Like, Fred Layton sent something really special that you picked out in advance, and we have to look at it, and so they'll come that morning. It's. It's a much more involved than I think people think that you have one fitting and everything gets said, and then they just hang it in your room. And it's not that. At least not with us. Right.

[Molly Rogers]

Until it goes to camera. We still have the opportunity to make it just one more pit. Better. We. I remember us waiting and waiting and waiting for the perfect pink shoe to land for that. I don't know that we were ha. We were waiting and waiting. What else is going to come?

[Kristen Davis]

It's true. It's true. That was a hard one. That was one of those scenes, too, where you don't even. I don't think you ever see my shoes. But that doesn't matter. Does it matter to you? I know. I love it. It's living in my closet in that really lovely box. Yeah, of course.

[Molly Rogers]

Okay, good.

[Kristen Davis]

Let's talk about Alanis, too. Do you remember anything about Alanis? No. This is when Carrie's wearing like gold boots and she has to walk up this long stairwell to the like cool 20 something party, which is a very. The whole episode is so prescient and could literally air today.

[Molly Rogers]

Totally.

[Kristen Davis]

Boy, girl. Boy girl. It's called.

[Molly Rogers]

Oh, yeah. Now, that dress was pleather. It was highly, highly flammable. It was purchased on probably 14th Street.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Molly Rogers]

It was scary. Some kind of oleomargarine fabric. God only knows. And we stuck a flower on it.

[Kristen Davis]

Amazing. And it works.

[Molly Rogers]

Imagine. Sj. Even she must have been horrified to wear that thing. It was so short.

[Kristen Davis]

She looks fantastic.

[Molly Rogers]

She looks really like a round.

[Kristen Davis]

Because she's dating that younger boy, you know, who looks like a little 18 year old.

[Molly Rogers]

Story point. You're wearing something, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

Yep. And didn't she have like a little bomber jacket over it at one point in the stairwell?

[Molly Rogers]

I think maybe.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, it was. It was pretty cute. And very now. Like, very now.

[Molly Rogers]

Like pleather from some rock, let's say trash in vaudeville or somewhere.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Molly Rogers]

Something like that.

[Kristen Davis]

Love it so, so much. Oh, my God. That's a good one. There's so many good ones. You know, we should touch really quick, if you don't mind her. Her crazy outfit on the roof. Remember she's got like flesh colored.

[Molly Rogers]

Fishnets.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. Which I remember we were very obsessed with at the time.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. Pat was. You guys were. And I'll never forget the shoe. It was a kind of a Wizard of Oz Dorothy. You look like you could do a tap dance in them. And they were Sonya Rquiel. And they were bizarre with that Louis Vuitton. They were nuts.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't remember that Sonia Raquel made shoes. You know, Sarah and I both have those bags. And that. That's just me fully copying Sonia Raquel or copying Sir Jessica that she has it, because I didn't know who that was.

[Molly Rogers]

That's such a great bag.

[Kristen Davis]

I love that bag so much. It will live forever. I keep it in a special place. I love it all. And then Kim is wearing her Marianne outfit and she looks fantastic. I'm wearing my Cavalli.

[Molly Rogers]

Look at Kim's hairstyle.

[Kristen Davis]

I know it's hysterical, but it looks great. I love it so much.

[Molly Rogers]

Two Little ponytails.

[Kristen Davis]

It's super cute. I know. I don't care. I think it's great. And it's almost like Carrie might have an orchid on. And, you know, she's anti orchid, which is kind of funny, but it's not her normal flower.

[Molly Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

And then like a. A picnic table looking.

[Molly Rogers]

That looks so vintage, doesn't it?

[Kristen Davis]

Doesn't it? Yeah.

[Molly Rogers]

What have you got on?

[Kristen Davis]

I've got on the Cavalli tiny top that I have here and some no name like. Like the Gap. The Gap skirt or whatever that's too short. So I literally. I'm. I'm literally in the scene, pulling my skirt down. Like the one time that I'm on the chair by myself, and you can just tell I'm just dying, just dying that Pat's trying to show my legs.

[Molly Rogers]

Wiggling and going crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. And just trying not to have to move.

[Molly Rogers]

What a hot, hot day that was.

[Kristen Davis]

It was a hot, hot day. And I don't know how I walked around that day. I don't know what I did with myself. I might have covered myself up or something. I don't know. I don't know.

[Molly Rogers]

I love every outfit.

[Kristen Davis]

I love every outfit. Thank you, Patricia.

[Molly Rogers]

Thank you. Patty. Patty poop.

[Kristen Davis]

That's right. Patty poo. I might put that old picture of you two up too, on the Instagram. I love that picture that you sent me. Remember that one when I said look for your old pictures? Oh, it's really cute. It's so cute.

[Molly Rogers]

It's cute.

[Kristen Davis]

It's really good.

[Molly Rogers]

There's not many of us.

[Kristen Davis]

No, I know it's hard because you guys were always working. You know, you were never holding still to get a photo.

[Molly Rogers]

What a fun time. I'm so glad we got to talk about it.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. Me too. Bye. Have fun. Go, go, go.

[Podcast Host]

Relax.

[Molly Rogers]

Happy holidays.

[Kristen Davis]

Happy holidays, baby.

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