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Kristin Davis
Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? You guys, you guys, we have a very exciting, a very, very exciting guest. Simon Curtis is here with us. He is an uber fan. He is a super sweetheart. We met on social media of some kind but it was a long time ago.
Simon Curtis
I think like 12 years ago, right?
Kristin Davis
Like a long. And he is so great, you guys and I'm so excited to have him. And we have a lot of levels of Charlotte that we're going to explore.
Simon Curtis
A lifetime of Charlotte. A lifetime of Charlotte from age 11.
Kristin Davis
Oh my gosh. Amazing. Amazing. Do you remember like how did we connect? Because I don't even remember back that
Simon Curtis
far I've literally been a fan of the show since I was 11 years old.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
I used to sneak watch it while my parents were watching it. It was like the perfect way to watch the show. My parents would be in the living room watching it and then I would go sneak watch it in the back room at the same time so they weren't getting up to go see what I was doing. So amazing. Every Sunday I would watch.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I love it. So you were watching it in real time when it was on the first time on HBO?
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Well, that's fantastic. At the ripe age of 11. Oh my gosh.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
And how did, how did that affect you?
Simon Curtis
Well, I think that was one of the first conversations that we ever had and I feel like to cry six times today, but this is. I might as well just go ahead and jump into it. I think one of the first conversations that we ever had was telling you how much of a life raft the show was. For me, I was an 1112 year old gay boy in Oklahoma and. And the show premiered. Was it 97 or 98?
Kristin Davis
98.
Simon Curtis
So 98. So I was 12.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
In Oklahoma. And that was just like. And at age 12, that was coming into my sexuality, going into puberty, not knowing what is this and kind of being so isolated. And Sex and the City was the first thing I ever saw that showed gay people that it wasn't a tragedy. It wasn't, you know, we were coming out of AIDS at that time and it was showing gay people just living life. Like Stanford, I think is second episode with, you know, the model. The bone.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Simon Curtis
And like that was just so, like, it was so much wonder for me. It was like, oh my God, this, look at this world. Look at, look at these people. And this is so different. And he's accepted and look at all this love he's surrounded by. And just in general. So it was, it was such a life raft. It meant so much to me as a kid. Even though, you know, you might say the show might not be appropriate for a 12 year old. But it, it was a life raft. It saved me in so many ways. Such a crucial point in my life.
Kristin Davis
That is so great. That is so great to hear. I mean, intellectually we know that to be true in a way. Right? Not maybe not all 12 year olds or whatever, but just that we were, we forget, I think now in 2026 how different television was back then and that it.
Simon Curtis
Culture.
Kristin Davis
Culture in general society. Absolutely. And for me, I was really, you know, exposed when I was 10 and I started acting in the community theater in South Carolina. That is really where all the gay people went. Right. Because you didn't have a lot of freedom and options, you know, in. In regular life. And in that time. So I was around gay people, like, my whole life. And I think gay people are fantastic, first of all. But second of all, you know, it was just so normal. Like, if you're a theater kid, that is your world. Right.
Simon Curtis
And I was, too, you know, from the time I was 10. That's what I was.
Kristin Davis
That's great. That's great.
Simon Curtis
And, you know, but it was still at a time when I would hear the commentary from my parents who were driving me to and from rehearsal about people in the cast, and. And it was just like one of
Kristin Davis
those outside was still.
Simon Curtis
Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I was raised Catholic, you know, so it's. There's. There's, you know, in addition to.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
Oklahoma. There's Catholicism there. All of these things.
Kristin Davis
Yeah, yeah.
Simon Curtis
And. And truly, Sex and the City was the first sort of, like, guiding light of. Wow. There's. There's life.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. So much life.
Simon Curtis
Yeah. Truly.
Kristin Davis
So much.
Simon Curtis
Truly.
Kristin Davis
That's so nice. That's so nice. I'm so glad that you reached out on whatever. Was it Twitter?
Simon Curtis
I think it was Twitter.
Kristin Davis
Right?
Simon Curtis
I think it was, like, Twitter, like 2016.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
I think it was 2016 when we were DMing.
Kristin Davis
No way.
Simon Curtis
Yeah. And I just wrote you that whole thing, and I was like, I just have to tell you this.
Kristin Davis
I'm so glad.
Simon Curtis
Me, too.
Kristin Davis
The best kind of social. Social media, don't you think?
Simon Curtis
Absolutely. And you've been a part of that scent ever since we've. I feel like we've been pen pals.
Kristin Davis
We have.
Simon Curtis
Ever since that moment.
Kristin Davis
So true. Well, because you're just very real and you're very positive, and you're super sweet, and.
Simon Curtis
Thank you.
Kristin Davis
You know, you're very vulnerable in a way, like, you know, when. Like, I'm not gonna go into details, but, like, things have happened to you and you've posted about them, and I'm
Simon Curtis
always like, simon, that actually is how you became my Charlotte's godmother. And I have to say, I was waiting until we were to share this, because I don't even know if you are fully still aware of the full scope of how serendipitous it was. So in 2021, my partner and I, we had been spending time in Oklahoma, pretty much full time, when the pandemic hit. And, like, with family, it was just a nice place to be at the time. And he was modeling in Mexico City. And it was September 2021, and he was gone for like two months. And I was there with our 16 year old Chihuahua, Lexi, and she passed in her sleep in the bed with me. And you were one of the first people to reach out immediately. And you, you kept checking in on me. And it was so kind and so sweet. And it was. It was right about that time I met a chihuahua breeder nearby who let me come to her house for puppy therapy. And before Lexi had even passed, my partner Jor, he started having dreams about a white Chihuahua.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
And the first one that I met was the runt of the litter, this little white Chihuahua named Henry. And from Mexico City, he was like, that's my dog. That's like, I. We have to. We have to have him. And then there was this other little puppy named Charlotte. And come to find out, she was born the night that Lexi passed.
Kristin Davis
Oh.
Simon Curtis
And she had just all these behavioral isms that were just her. And I was like, oh, my God, this is Lexi. Like, she reincarnated instantly.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
And so when he got back from Mexico City, we went to go meet both of the dogs and we parked in front of the house afterwards, and I just, I sat in the car. I was like, what are we gonna do? We can't get two puppies. And at that exact moment, my phone vibrated and it was you sending me a message. And you said, hi, honey. I know it's been a minute because it was like two and a half weeks or like almost a month after the fact. I just wanted to check in on you and see how you were holding up. And in the car, I just started crying and I was like, well, Charlotte just texted me. We're getting Charlotte. We're getting two puppies.
Kristin Davis
And I'm so glad I had a positive impact.
Simon Curtis
Oh, my God. But it was literally the words came out of my mouth, we can't get to puppies. Just checking on you, seeing how you do it. And I. Yeah. So you've been her. You've been her godmother ever since.
Kristin Davis
How's she doing?
Simon Curtis
Oh, she's so good. She's so good. And the other story I was telling you before we started at Erewhon, because I'm always at Sportsman's Lodge in Studio City. The gym is there and it's just. It's like the fun place in Studio City.
Kristin Davis
It's now, which is really interesting because it. It wasn't always the case. It used to be scary.
Simon Curtis
I don't think I'd ever walked through there until they turned it into and
Kristin Davis
now they've done like this magical rebrand or whatever before.
Simon Curtis
Wasn't it like the haunted place of like studio executive?
Kristin Davis
Yeah, it was dark over there. Like you were like, what has happened in these four walls?
Simon Curtis
Dark, devious deeds.
Kristin Davis
Yep.
Simon Curtis
But now it's really cool.
Kristin Davis
Okay, good.
Simon Curtis
And Charlotte is kind of like a mascot there. I take her there and she's so social and everybody loves her and so when I bring her into Erewhon, everybody knows who she is and it's just like the cutest thing.
Kristin Davis
That is cute.
Simon Curtis
And one of the employees there, she's adorable girl named Charlotte and she lives in the neighborhood where we walk all of our dogs and so we've bonded and she told me once that her parents named her after you, after Charlotte. And so one night I came in and this was last year. At some point I came in just to grab something in my pajamas holding Charlotte. Charlotte was checking me out and she was like, oh my God, you just missed Charlotte. Kristen Davis was just here and I was like, is she? I ran out to the parking lot holding Charlotte. I was like, where?
Kristin Davis
I'm so sad. I miss you.
Simon Curtis
And I, I texted you immediately. But I don't think you saw it like the next day or something because it was the middle of the night. But I was like, this is. There are so many layers of Charlotte happening right now. Like your goddaughter.
Kristin Davis
It's really sad though that I missed you in your pajamas with Charlotte at Erewhon. You are living an la life. That is awesome. Okay.
Simon Curtis
With the Erewhon cashier who's like this 17 year old girl who's named after you.
Kristin Davis
Oh my God.
Simon Curtis
Your parents are like turbo fans. Truly.
Kristin Davis
Thank you to the parents of Charlotte who works at Erewhon Studio City. That's lovely. And I love any dog named Charlotte. Just so everyone knows. It's always like makes my heart sing to meet the little puppies.
Simon Curtis
You have so many God babies in this world.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I love it.
Simon Curtis
Anytime I meet a dog named Charlotte, it's always because of you. Any dog named Charlotte, it's.
Kristin Davis
I don't even know if I should really take credit for that. Right. I think Charlotte's just a good name. But I do feel very excited whenever I meet.
Simon Curtis
Oh no. Because I, I talk about it with people and they always clarify and there's always a post conversation.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
Always.
Kristin Davis
I love that. I love that you're out there representing Simon. I really appreciate it. Can I Also mention because. Just. Just because, you know, let's be thorough here. You have a very beautiful voice.
Simon Curtis
Oh, thank you.
Kristin Davis
Now, I knew that you had this whole career in music, but, like, when I'm just sitting here listening to your voice, it's so incredibly beautiful.
Simon Curtis
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Kristin Davis
So just tell us a little bit about your music.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, I start. So I started on nickelodeon in, like, 2009. I was in a musical called Spectacular, a movie musical.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
And that was, like, post High School Musical and all of that. And I. So I was. I started as an actor when I moved to la, and then I had some interesting experiences that were a little traumatic at the time, looking back, and I pivoted and was like, you know what? I'm so tired of hearing. No. I'm so tired of people telling me that I have to not be gay. All of these things.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Simon Curtis
And I'm gonna release music. And so I released my first album, Ape at heart, in 2010, and it went super viral. And I've had this incredible fan base ever since with my music.
Kristin Davis
Amazing.
Simon Curtis
Yeah. So it's been. It's. I've been making music ever since, so.
Kristin Davis
And you. So. And you. You have some crazy number of streams.
Simon Curtis
Yes. So I think the grand, like, lifetime total of my music that's up on all the streamers right now is at, like, 1.75 billion streams cumulatively.
Kristin Davis
I mean.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
That's so crazy.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, it's crazy.
Kristin Davis
I also feel like there's just, like, music is so interesting. Right. Because people think it's just pop music, but it isn't. Like, you can really have this blooming career kind of somewhat independently. Oh, is that the right word?
Simon Curtis
Completely. And. And. And truth be told, I was one of the very first people to just start releasing independent pop music.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
In 2010, that was a really revolutionary thing. It was really just like rappers releasing mixtapes.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
And so I was one of the first people who put out an electronic pop album in that same way.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
So it's. Yeah.
Kristin Davis
That's so neat.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, it's been really cool.
Kristin Davis
How did you know how to do that? Like, how. What made you think of that?
Simon Curtis
I. When I first moved out to la, one of my best friends was an aspiring producer, and we just were always recording, making music together, and that was I. After Spectacular, and after I was having all of these sort of actor traumas, I just decided to do it. I was like, let's make an album. I'm. I'm buckling down and I'm Doing it.
Kristin Davis
Amazing. Yeah.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
That is so. I love to hear the stories where people are able to kind of keep their autonomy, create from a place of, you know, like, you're grounded, you're making what you want to make, and then you're putting it out there. It's so amazing that that's something you can do in this day and age, but I don't think that people are always aware that that's something you can do and that.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, I wasn't aware of it either. It was always just a decision even. You know, I'm an author as well, and when I decided to write my first book, I just did it.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my gosh.
Simon Curtis
And I. I wrote on Twitter. Who here knows anything about YA publishing? And one of my Turbo fans at the time had this avatar of a little cupcake, and he was like, hey, send me a D. For whatever reason. I was like, sure. And I did. And he was like, I'm an editor at Simon and Schuster.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Simon Curtis
And he'd been a fan of my music since I started putting it out.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
And he was like, I want to hear more about the book you're writing. And he wound up buying my book at Simon and Schuster.
Kristin Davis
Incredible.
Simon Curtis
And so that was published in 2016, and then I had my first graphic novel published last year.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
So it's. Everything that I've done has always just kind of been like, well, I'll do this.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Well, I think, number one, you're incredibly talented, but number two, super smart. That you're. That you're thinking proactively for yourself. And I do feel like that's possible in this day and age. I just don't think that people necessarily. Maybe they don't have your just innate confidence. Right. Of I'm just gonna do this or whatever. But also, that's why I like to tell the stories like this, because I feel like, like. Do you know Benito Skinner?
Simon Curtis
Oh, yeah, Yeah.
Kristin Davis
I love him.
Simon Curtis
I've met him before. Yeah, he's so great. Super, super, super sweet. And that show.
Kristin Davis
Incredible, right?
Simon Curtis
I was able to have such a beautiful moment with him last summer at the Hollywood Cemetery. He's good friends with my friend Janet, and we went to see the anniversary showing of Clueless. And so she's on one of the Bravo shows, the Valley. And so we were in with, like, the talent section, and he was with us. And I happened to go to the bathroom at the same time with him, and I just had this conversation where I was saying the same thing. Like, I'm So inspired seeing you. You made this. Yes. You brought it to life. You're shepherding it.
Kristin Davis
Y.
Simon Curtis
Such an inspiration, especially as a fellow gay person.
Kristin Davis
Like fellow gay person. And super creative and so nice and so hard working and so creatively, you know, engaged. Right. But he started making his, you know, spoofy videos, 100 on Instagram or Tik Tok or whatever.
Simon Curtis
And you never know where it's going to lead.
Kristin Davis
Exactly.
Simon Curtis
Never. And you just have to put yourself out there and do it.
Kristin Davis
You just have to do it.
Simon Curtis
And honestly, I feel like that's such an extension of. Of my teenage years and even tying back to what the show did for me because when I moved to LA, I was 18.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
I saved up. I was working at P F Chang's in Tulsa.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Simon Curtis
Which I also have a good story because I was working at P F Chang's the night of the series finale. And I've heard you talk about what the impact of the show was for the outside world because it was such, obviously such an insular experience for you being in the middle of it.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
And I mean, I can remember before the show premiered, front page in the newspaper, like the headline, let's talk about sex and this, like, in the newspaper in Oklahoma, before the show ever premiered, how much of a cultural phenomenon it was. And by the time the series was wrapping up, it was like. It's so hard to describe what it was like going to work that night. And every single person coming in the door in this busy restaurant in the middle of the winter. And every single person was, well, are. Are you gonna. Blah, blah, blah, is watching the show? Do you want to know? Do you wanna know? And it was like this palpable. And at one point during the shift, somebody said, there was like, somebody who was a little tipsy and somebody said at this table, she wound up with Big. And the entire place cheered like this.
Kristin Davis
No way.
Simon Curtis
It was. It's. It's so hard to describe because it wasn't like the Super Bow. It just felt bigger. It felt so culturally pervasive.
Kristin Davis
I miss those days where we could have a group experience, not, not of us, but just in general, you know, like the group experience of watching something together, talking about something, you know, and culture. And I mean, it kind of happens now, like, I guess, stranger Things, you know, but it's still kind of separated, you know, like, in terms of the cultural conversation and the experience of watching it.
Simon Curtis
Totally. But Sex and the City started it.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I don't think we started it, but you're Adorable.
Simon Curtis
Oh, no, I. And that's another thing that I said before we started. I will defend to the death that I truly believe Sex and the City is the most significant TV show that's ever been made.
Kristin Davis
You're adorable.
Simon Curtis
I'm. I say it without hyperbole.
Kristin Davis
I know. You're so cute.
Simon Curtis
Because if you look like. The history of television, what TV was as a medium, as an art form before Sex and the City changed forever after it, I don't know. It was a truly. It's like a deviating path in the timeline, really. 100%. 100%.
Kristin Davis
That's so sweet. I don't know if that's true, but I really appreciate it. I mean, I do love us. I do love us. Right. Obviously, I wouldn't do a podcast about us if I didn't love us, but I don't know about. It's still a little hard for me to fully be objective.
Simon Curtis
I say, like, I. I take, for example, Euphoria, something that's airing right now. Yeah, it's. Hans Zimmer is doing the score for every episode. Kodak invented a new type of film for this season to be shot on.
Kristin Davis
No way.
Simon Curtis
You aren't getting these experiences in the movie theater these days.
Kristin Davis
Wow, wow, wow.
Simon Curtis
And this show on HBO is. Is getting this. Like, Sam Levinson is just getting to make. Make the movie of his dreams every week. Yeah, that is a direct result. But that's. But that's even. Just somebody. Even if. Whether or not you like it, like somebody is able, or whether or not you think it's.
Kristin Davis
No, no, I understand what you're saying.
Simon Curtis
Somebody's getting at another level, the creative license to. And if you thought about. If you think about TV pre 1998, that. That was unimaginable.
Kristin Davis
You're right. You're right. I do. I would put us and Sopranos, I think, because Sopranos, like, because of what they were able to do creatively, I think, because we both happened at the same time, which was, of course, you know, the brilliance of the people working at HBO at the time, Carolyn and Chris. It was really just those two, which is also really funny. Like, people think it was like a whole team of people. Not really. It was a really small little group.
Simon Curtis
But to that end, I listened to the episode of this podcast where you were talking with the executive at hbo, hbo. And I loved hearing you say it, because I've always believed it. But you. You laid out the timeline, and Sex and the City was first.
Kristin Davis
It's true. We were.
Simon Curtis
And because of the success of Sex and the City. The Sopranos got this creative license to just be what it was.
Kristin Davis
I mean, I think that they went together and I think that they, they. I mean, we were. I think the thing that's interesting about it is at the time, which I think I said before, we were very much like the girly show, right? We were like a little bit lesser than. I don't know, it felt like that's, that's how it felt at the time, right?
Simon Curtis
Oh, it pisses me off. Ooh, I get steamed. Ooh, I get riled up by.
Kristin Davis
You're so cute.
Simon Curtis
No, I really do.
Kristin Davis
I mean, but in a lot of ways it made sense because I think at the beginning of us, no one ever thought we'd win an Emmy. A comedy on cable had never won an Emmy. Right. It wasn't, you know, whatever. And Sopranos was also really creating first in so many ways for hbo. So we had, we were like tandem, right? Comedy, half hour, you know, hour long drama, obviously. And they got so many kudos.
Simon Curtis
Well, of course they did because it's the mafia grow show.
Kristin Davis
Right. But they were also really great.
Simon Curtis
Oh, completely, completely. And that's not to, that's not to discredit them. I just feel like I've spent 20 years like defending like going to bat and be like, no. Sex in the City was first. Also, the thing about Sex and the City is that it was a level of honesty that didn't exist on television.
Kristin Davis
That's true.
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Simon Curtis
I love it.
Kristin Davis
Do you love it?
Simon Curtis
I'm like, I love it.
Kristin Davis
My issue is that once I get the kids to bed, I have, like, one hour, right?
Simon Curtis
Totally.
Kristin Davis
And I am scared to watch something so intense because then I can't sleep. It's a little intense for me, I will say.
Simon Curtis
Because you're Pisces, right? I am also a Pisces.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God.
Simon Curtis
All of my Pisces friends are obsessed with it.
Kristin Davis
Really?
Simon Curtis
It hits. Do you. It's like, did you enjoy the very first Kill Bill?
Kristin Davis
Yeah. Oh, I love Kill Bill.
Simon Curtis
That season three of Euphoria.
Kristin Davis
Oh, really?
Simon Curtis
So imaginative.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
It's a constant. Everything feels like a dream and a poem.
Kristin Davis
But it's like. And possibly also a nightmare.
Simon Curtis
Oh. I mean, in terms of the storytelling.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
I mean it's the scary part fantasy sequence that it's like I, I always think about. In Kill Bill Volume 1. One of the scenes is fully anime and you're not taken out of the movie.
Kristin Davis
That's true.
Simon Curtis
And it's. It's Lucy Liu's character's backstory. But it's just an anime.
Kristin Davis
I forgot about that.
Simon Curtis
And then one sequence as you're watching it goes completely black and white. You don't notice it until it's. Oh. And it's things like that.
Kristin Davis
Yes, I understand.
Simon Curtis
So all of my like all of my Pisces friends who are obsessed with like Pan's Labyrinth or you know, things like that. It's just.
Kristin Davis
That's not me.
Simon Curtis
It might be a little too scary. But the level of imagination is what I'm saying.
Kristin Davis
Which is, which is impressive. It's very impressive.
Simon Curtis
Unbridled imagination.
Kristin Davis
And that's what's really amazing about hbo. And you know, I really hope that they're able to. To keep their own autonomy in the current insanity of our business. You know, because they do allow people to take those risks.
Simon Curtis
100. And that's where sex and the City stands alone. Also. Sarah Jessica doing Sex in the City. That's another reason the show was so significant.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
There'd never been a movie star that had just all of a sudden done TV like that. That's really true. There it was because I. Sarah Jessica was such like. I grew up with the VHS of Flight of the Navigator as one of my very first repeat movies. Like it was Brave Little Toaster, Little Mermaid and Flight of the Navigator. So I had all of her die dialogue from Flight of the Navigator burned into my brain from the time I
Kristin Davis
was 2 years old. This is like out of my realm of knowledge.
Simon Curtis
Oh my God. Yeah, it's.
Kristin Davis
Someone else brought this up to me and I was like, I don't even know what you're talking.
Simon Curtis
It's a beautiful movie.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
And she's an icon in it. Wow. It's.
Kristin Davis
How could I have missed it?
Simon Curtis
But then she went from that to, you know, as a child. Like I'm talking. I was watching that as a 2 year old.
Kristin Davis
Got it.
Simon Curtis
That's on repeat.
Kristin Davis
Crazy.
Simon Curtis
And then from there was Hocus Pocus.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
Which again on repeat. And then First Wives Club.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
I was like this little fifth grade gay boy who couldn't stop watching First Wives Club. And so it was just like this string. And then that led right into seeing the newspaper of Sarah Jessica Parker. Let's talk about sex in the newspaper and being like, she's on a show. So it was just this, like, seamless thing for me to experience.
Kristin Davis
I like that. I like that. She would like that, too. That would be nice for her to hear. I love it.
Simon Curtis
And honestly, when I. And that's. That's one of the things I think I might have DMed you at some point in my many diary entries I've sent you over the years.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I love it.
Simon Curtis
Just like, even. Even that, you know, because I've always told you that the show was such a guiding light for me in my life. And even her being Carrie in it, that was, you know, she was somebody as an actor who's been with me since I was 2 years old.
Kristin Davis
That's amazing.
Simon Curtis
This is. You know, there's a level of. Of love and kinship that you feel not only for the characters, but for you as actors and how significant these roles have been in so many people's lives and especially my life. Like, it's. It's. It's really, really remarkable.
Kristin Davis
It's so really nice. It's so nice to feel that. And it's. I think the. The joy. The joy of. It was just the other day, Lisa Kudrow, who's been, you know, out. I know, right? Talking about the comeback and it's over now, which I'm so sad, and it's so good. And she was talking about. She's been talking about so many fascinating things out there. Yeah, she's super fascinating person. And she was talking about how she had always thought that fame would feel like a warm hug, but that it didn't. It felt. And I can't remember the word she used, but something like a. Like a onslaught, like a, you know, like an attack or whatever, which sometimes it can, obviously, I think, can feel like both. Right. But sometimes. And it kind of comes and goes in waves in terms of the intensity of it, which I think is also important. Someone said that to me when I was really young, like, oh, it won't always be, you know, if you're having a rough day with it or whatever, it's not always going to be that which is important to remember. But the warm hug part, I think, is, like, when you can get a little distance from it, and then you can kind of not feel so inundated, you know, with whatever, you know, you're going through or whatever.
Simon Curtis
Totally.
Kristin Davis
And you can just have the connection with people and the connection that people have with the work and with characters and with what you all made, which is so, like, isn't that why we do what we do.
Simon Curtis
And I told you this before. And just like that ever even premiered. I was so amazed by what a gift that was for actors to be able to revisit characters in these sort of. And that's the exact same thing that Lisa must be experiencing right now with the Comeback, which is interesting because they're both Michael Patrick King projects, and it's these very unique experiences for actors where you've. You've not only been able to craft these characters with so much love and soul, but you've been able to shepherd them across decades.
Kristin Davis
I agree.
Simon Curtis
And I don't think there are. And I said this to you when. And just like that premiered, I don't think there are actors who've ever gotten to experience that.
Kristin Davis
No, I know. It's incredible.
Simon Curtis
Ever gotten to do that and what an achievement that is.
Kristin Davis
I agree. I agree. It is an achievement, and we are really, really happy that we got to do it. Don't get me started on that.
Simon Curtis
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I. I much like the Comeback. When I first watched it, I never, ever thought that it would come back. And then here we are.
Kristin Davis
Totally.
Simon Curtis
It's. I'm always. I'm always holding, holding out faith for my girls, because that's sweet.
Kristin Davis
You know, we did have Michael Patrick here, and he said. I said to him, what are you going to do? This was last week, I want to say. And he said, you know, now that the Comeback is done and we're done, I'm all out of ip. I got to create some fresh ip. And I was like. I tried to really, like, hold my. Myself together when he said that.
Simon Curtis
I'll. Can. Can I. Can I speak freely?
Kristin Davis
Of course.
Simon Curtis
Okay. So my dream. My. My dream of dreams.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. Yeah.
Simon Curtis
A. I always want my girls back.
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Simon Curtis
I need them in, like, I will follow them into the sunset. I always need them.
Kristin Davis
Thank you.
Simon Curtis
But my dream of dreams.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
Is the original show format, 30 minutes, like, the same with. With Carrie voiceover narrating.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
And.
Kristin Davis
Wait, you don't mean the original format where we talk to the camera?
Simon Curtis
No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I'm.
Kristin Davis
I was like, how far back do we have to go?
Simon Curtis
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking when the. When the series was, like, firing on all cylinders.
Kristin Davis
Yes, yes, there is.
Simon Curtis
And you see it like people doing parodies. People will write tweets in the format of a page of sex. And it's. It's like Golden Girls. When Golden Girls hit the stride There was a structure to the show that hit these beats and it was like, it just, it, it, it's like hitting a tuning fork.
Kristin Davis
I know.
Simon Curtis
It just feels good in your soul.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
That's what the episodes of Sex and the City are like. The, the cadence, the pacing.
Kristin Davis
Yeah, yeah.
Simon Curtis
How much you get you. It. It all happens lightning fast. So fast in those episodes. But by the time you finish the season, you've had these character arcs.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
That just. Especially by the time you get to season four, which I'm so excited to be talking about. By the time you get to season four, you're seeing these women's lives change. Even though you've been watching these 30 minute episodes. And that was like. That is my dream. I want, I want 2030 minute episodes. I want Carrie's voiceover back. I want the music that was also such a. But it's something. You know, as a musician, I love the music in the first series. These jazz interstitials, these. And then by the time. And also season four is when you start getting the really good needle drops.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
I think the episode after the one that we're reviewing today is when the Sade song comes on.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I forgot.
Simon Curtis
Oh my God, that song makes me cry. Because of the show. And it's. And it's. And the end of the season, I heart ny. That is. That is my favorite episode of Sex and the City that exists. And Moon river end capping that episode is like. It makes me sob my eyes out. And there's just, you know, the, I don't know, there's something about the music and the pace.
Kristin Davis
It's how it all came together. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I, I don't think that we can recreate that. I totally know why you would want us to recreate that, but I don't think it can be done. And I think that Michael, when we did, and just like that, and this is the end, then we'll go. We're going to talk about the episode.
Simon Curtis
Sorry.
Kristin Davis
I'm telling myself as much as you. When we went to do a Just like that, he felt really strongly that we had to be extremely clear that we were not going to be recreating the show because we would just fail because we're. Because we're in our 50s now and it can't be the same show and it can't be the same rhythm and it can't be all of those things. And I get what he was saying because it would be strange to have us in this whole, whole very different decade. Right. Trying to do that. I think there's probably a happy medium. Right. But he just felt very strongly from his point of view that it had to, we had to be clear that we are being very different.
Simon Curtis
What I think is so interesting is that he is saying that, but also making the Comeback. Which good point is that's even though the, the tone.
Kristin Davis
Good point.
Simon Curtis
The place in life.
Kristin Davis
You got me, Simon.
Simon Curtis
The tone of season three of the Comeback is completely different.
Kristin Davis
That's true.
Simon Curtis
Cadence is the same. What you sit down to experience is experientially the same thing. But the tone is.
Kristin Davis
The tone is different. Right.
Simon Curtis
I mean, I have watched this.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I, I watched it. Yes. But I didn't watch the. I haven't watched the first one in a long time.
Simon Curtis
Oh, okay. I mean that's, you know, that is, it's, it's kind of like akin to old Ricky Gervais situational single cam, like the original Office. It's like humiliation comedy. It's deeply uncomfortable to watch.
Kristin Davis
Well, that's how I felt the first time. And it was also right at the end of our show. Right. And it was about a 40 something year old actress who was, who was, who was over, quote, over trying to make a comeback.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
And being humiliated all the time. And I was basically just laying on my couch crying because the show was over. So I was like, we can't do this. And I felt so guilty because I couldn't watch it. I love him so much and I wanted to support. I was like, it's like daggers in my heart. I can't watch it.
Simon Curtis
But now, now. And to what I was saying, even though it's the same format, we are experiencing Valerie Cherish in a totally different way.
Kristin Davis
That is so true.
Simon Curtis
In this season we're seeing, even though similar things might be happening to her, we're seeing that she has so much wisdom and she earned so much respect, so much heart and so much. And people are giving her, her flowers the entire season.
Kristin Davis
And it's.
Simon Curtis
And it feels very natural because of the time progression. And they didn't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. They didn't have to completely reinvent the show to do that.
Kristin Davis
You're giving me good ideas. That's really, really true. That's really, really true. I hadn't thought about that. You know what I think is also interesting and I'll have to think about this some more because you bring up good points. Lysa and Michael wrote the whole this season together. Right? And they wrote in the beginning together. So I think that because you have another voice with you, maybe he doesn't have as much pressure.
Simon Curtis
I mean, that's a big thing, really
Kristin Davis
carries the pressures, the creative pressure totally like kind of alone. Even though we have these incredible writers, you know, he takes it so and
Simon Curtis
I cannot imagine what that must be like with Sex and the City because as I said, it is the most significant TV show in the history of television. So that's a lot of pressure weighing on that. But pressure makes diamonds. Pressure makes diamonds.
Kristin Davis
That's so true.
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Simon Curtis
Oh my God.
Kristin Davis
It's called Just say Yes. And honestly, this is. I've said this before. I mean, I don't remember a lot of season four because I. I do believe in my mind that I had had season three and season four were together because Charlotte's arc is still the same. Same. Right. Like because the Trey marriage overlaps in a way that was never supposed to happen. Right?
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
Right. And I'm going through all the things. Like I didn't separate them in my mind, I think, which is why I think they were all just season three to me.
Simon Curtis
And also, I have to say this before we get into the episode itself. How did you feel going into, I mean, I guess season three and four? Because to me, having watched every episode at least 70 times, like, actually, how did you feel as an actor just getting these scripts? Because this.
Kristin Davis
I was very excited. Very excited. Very excited. I mean, that's always how. I mean, this is how I felt. We would get the scripts in a manila envelope. This is back before they would do the watermarking and all that stuff. Right. And you would just go to your trailer and rip it open and try to read it before they called you back to the set, you know, because you're just dying to know what's gonna happen.
Simon Curtis
Well, yeah.
Kristin Davis
Now, we would have known from Michael the arc.
Simon Curtis
Right.
Kristin Davis
And so you would have, you would. He would always give us the plan and run it by us and get our thoughts and whatever. But you never knew how that was gonna manifest itself in the script. Right. And because each script is assigned to a different writer. So this, this particular script. Just say yes, it. Cindy Shupak.
Simon Curtis
Stop. I have to interject. So I have another layer of that in my life. So I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Cindy Schupack is from. And so growing up watching it, my best child, childhood friend Heather, her older sister, was lifelong best friends with Cindy's sister. And they're both Jewish. The Jewish community in Tulsa is very tight knit. And so growing up watching Sex and the City, Heather's dad Larry was just always, always bragging about her and, oh, have you watched Sex in the City? You know, Cindy Shupack is writing it. And so it was just like when I saw that, when I saw that she wrote this episode, I was like, adorable.
Kristin Davis
And it's such a good one. And she really is very charlotty. Very, very charlotty. All the, all the writers in the room considered her to be like a good Charlotte voice. Right. Because she's very, you know, she, she came on the show and she, she said she was a Charlotte. I, I'm pretty sure she, she had a lot of. Even though at this point in their lives, the writers didn't have a lot of this experience that Charlotte's having yet. Yeah, it was like they hadn't found their person, they hadn't tried to get pregnant, all that stuff. But she really wanted all those things in the same way that Charlotte does. Right. And the thing that's interesting in this particular one, I would say for myself when I rewatched it, so much happens with Charlotte. I had thought that these different scenes, I remember the scenes, but I thought they were in different episodes. I didn't realize they were all jam packed into one. And let me just ask you, because this is on the top of my mind, do you remember when. I don't know if we've explained this or not. Right. Like, do you remember when he tells me that he doesn't really want to have a baby anymore and he's tired and I walk into the other room and that mural is there? Do you know what that is?
Simon Curtis
I don't.
Kristin Davis
Isn't it kind of scary.
Simon Curtis
I mean, it's terrifying. It's like, I feel like there's a certain element of, like, Tim Burton macabre to all of that. Like, right. What's it? The Manhattan. Who's. It also looked like that mural when Charlotte's like, oh, you need a Manhattan. Who's it? And it's like this weird, like, what the heck? Crawl out of a Tim Burton movie.
Kristin Davis
And I remember at the time, I was. I think I felt the same way, but also, like, I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I didn't know who had painted it. Like, you're. This is the situation you're in on a set. It's for the baby. It's the baby's room.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, that's.
Kristin Davis
Oh.
Simon Curtis
Oh, no. I knew it was for the baby's
Kristin Davis
room, but it's still, like, baby horror, you know? I don't. I didn't get to the bottom of it. I don't know why, but, like, when I'm re seeing it, I'm like, wow, it's scarier than even I realized at the time. And it's also so big. And it doesn't go with their apartment at all.
Simon Curtis
Yeah.
Kristin Davis
What the heck, man? And then there's, like, a chest that's also dark green. And later on, I think I have to deal with that. I remember that being, like, looming large or whatever.
Simon Curtis
Oh, that's funny.
Kristin Davis
Scary. Kind of scary, but also, like, the way that I, like, walk in there and, like, look at it. It's all there. Very spooky.
Simon Curtis
That's something, too. I was so excited that I got asked to review this episode because I feel like it's right in the middle. There's a string of episodes that are Charlotte's like, greatest hits. The episode before ends with, we're having a baby.
Kristin Davis
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Simon Curtis
And your delivery on that. It makes me cry every time. I've seen the show 8,000 times. It makes me cry every time. It's. It's. And then you go from that to this episode. I'm getting some juice, and I don't know. And then the next episode, like, it's just.
Kristin Davis
It's a lot.
Simon Curtis
All these. All these scripts are Charlotte's. It's a lot's greatest hits.
Kristin Davis
I know. It's definitely a lot. And I don't even know at the time if I realized that. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I really was like, maybe that's also why I maybe don't remember. I remember stuff about filming It. Right. But the fact that it's all in one, and I mean, in this particular episode. And then we'll be more linear or whatever. But we're Pisces, so let's not. I had Asif Manvi on. He's also a Pisces. We ended up seeing George Harrison, who's also a Pisces, and talking about whether time existed or not.
Simon Curtis
I mean, it's a sphere, so it's exactly right. Right.
Kristin Davis
It's right.
Simon Curtis
Everything. Everywhere, all at once. We're there.
Kristin Davis
Let's only have Pisces guests.
Simon Curtis
But it's true. But also, like, you can't. You can only take certain episodes. You can only take any of these episodes without the context of the entire season and the series. So I feel like you kind of have to zoom in. Like, you have to have the macro to accurately discuss the micro.
Kristin Davis
Absolutely. Absolutely true.
Simon Curtis
And that's what I love about this season is. I mean, honestly, it's one of the things that I love so much about this, the show in general, is because you started thinking you're getting this sitcom.
Kristin Davis
Right?
Simon Curtis
And by the time the entire series wraps, you have the most beautiful, satisfying character arcs that have ever been put to film. And I mean, all four characters. You have Charlotte at the very final episode. This is our baby God. Like, you have Miranda. Steve, your mother can come live with us.
Kristin Davis
I forgot about that. And mirror.
Simon Curtis
And then you have Samantha. You were the greatest man I've ever known. And then you have Carrie with her phone and her voiceover saying, the greatest relationship you can ever have in your life is the relationship that you get with yourself. And if you find someone else who loves you along the way, well, then that's just fabulous.
Kristin Davis
Amazing.
Simon Curtis
They are the. The four. It's. It's all. All intertwined, and they are the greatest arcs that you've ever gotten. And each season is also its own arc.
Kristin Davis
Definitely.
Simon Curtis
And I feel like having seen the show so many times, Charlotte was the very first one of the four characters that started really getting like, the meat and bones character arc starting in season three.
Kristin Davis
Wow.
Simon Curtis
It. And especially just seeing. Seeing the scripts that you were working with. It was because everybody. Everybody got that every. Every single one of these characters into some real.
Kristin Davis
Definitely.
Simon Curtis
But Charlotte was the first one Charlotte was with Interesting. Her marriage dissolving and then the fertility journey.
Kristin Davis
Yeah.
Simon Curtis
Charlotte was the first one who was like, especially as an actor, they were throwing you into some real.
Kristin Davis
They were. They were. I. I mean, I look back on it, and I. I mean, I do think I Was very excited. I think it was kind of scared. And then, like, when I watch it, I'm like, oh, my God, So much is happening. So much is happening. And if I were to do it now, obviously, 30 years later, 25 years later, whatever it is, you know, I would have more to call upon as an actor. But I feel like, the thing that's interesting, watching it, because Charlotte is. One of my best friends. Describes Charlotte as like my younger sister, you know? Cause she's different, but similar. Right. And she's kind of more, you know, innocent in some ways and whatnot than I am. I don't know if that's the right word, but. But, you know, she needs her. She hasn't been through all this yet. You know what I'm saying? So, like, sometimes when I watch a scene, like, sometimes I'll watch a scene, like, I love the scene when Cynthia. When I do go, you know, Cynthia's decided to keep the baby. I love that scene. I'm not totally sure about my performance on the street, though. That was last episode, too, you know, when Cynthia follows me, when Miranda follows me. Are you sure?
Simon Curtis
15%. 15% chance of ever. Are you kidding? Oh, my God. No.
Kristin Davis
You feel that, Simon, to be with me at all times.
Simon Curtis
I will be, because. No. You feel that in your gut. There's.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
There's panic, there is shame.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
All of these come out of Charlotte's eyes and face in two seconds.
Kristin Davis
Okay?
Simon Curtis
And this. And you. You get to see Cynthia, like, Miranda shifts.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Simon Curtis
Because she's so pissed. And then you see her heartbreak.
Kristin Davis
Yes.
Simon Curtis
And it's.
Kristin Davis
She's so good.
Simon Curtis
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I will not take this slander. No. Because it's. I'm telling you, like, you need to
Kristin Davis
be implanted in my brain.
Simon Curtis
No, I'm. I will, because it's.
Kristin Davis
You're so sweet.
Simon Curtis
This season is Charlotte's greatest hits.
Kristin Davis
Okay, so let me ask you this. Let me ask you this about Charlotte. Okay? So this, this, this, as I'm watching, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, this. Oh, my God. They're all together. And my favorite. One of my favorite scenes, which I fondly remember and did live up to my memories of it, is when I'm practicing my Mandarin.
Simon Curtis
Yes.
Kristin Davis
And I'm doing my nails.
Simon Curtis
Yes.
Kristin Davis
In my vintage slip. Okay. I really remember the scene. And I hope this is. Okay, that I'm going to say this. This episode is directed by David Frankel, and David Frankel and his wife had gone through in vitro, and he was one of a big. A big, big influence on how I did things. Because he had a lot of thoughts and feelings and, you know, they have two beautiful children and it all worked out, but it had been hard. Right. And he would talk to me a lot about it, which was helpful because I didn't have a lot of friends at that point who. Who had gone through it was still
Simon Curtis
a relatively new thing.
Kristin Davis
It was. It was a big deal.
Simon Curtis
It was a very big deal.
Kristin Davis
Yeah. So when, you know, when I'm telling Trey, like, oh, this person, that person in our building, and he's like, what did you do? Put up a memo, you know, because there was no shame. Right. About it, which is kind of adorable, but. And now I feel like a lot of that shame is gone. Thank God. But I think for Charlotte, too, because Charlotte wants to be perfect at everything. And so it's hard, you know. And also in vitro, as much as it's really commonly discussed, it is a hard thing to go through.
Simon Curtis
Oh, yes.
Kristin Davis
Like, it's not easy. It makes you feel like you're a lunatic when you're on.
Simon Curtis
All those hormones play so well from the moment. Opens with the shot in the butt. It's just this manic, hyped up and it's so subtle because somebody could have taken that to a place of ridiculousness. And you did. It was pitch.
Kristin Davis
Because I'm. Sometimes I. Sometimes I'm not sure. First of all, I do want to say that's not my butt. I definitely drew the line. I was like, I am not going to stand there with a close up on my butt while you're pretending to put a needle in it that it would be. No. And I can. I can so totally tell because it's not shaped right, but whatever, it's cool. It's very nice. It's very nice. It's nicer than mine anyway. That made me laugh. But like, when I like the. The. I had forgotten about the. The. The. The. The. The. The fling. The Scottish fling. Oh, my God. Like, I'm not sure if I was crazy enough or whatever. I did really like how I played the scene where Franny Bunny tells me it's perfect that she does not appreciate Mandarin food.
Simon Curtis
The devastation on your face.
Kristin Davis
And I also felt it all over again. Like, how dare she it.
Simon Curtis
There's so much devastation. That's what I'm saying. This, this. This chunk of episodes, it's Charlotte's greatest hits. The. The instant devastation, the betrayal. Because it's. That's like such a line to cross with like that Trey has crossed that. He's divulged that.
Kristin Davis
Definitely, Definitely.
Simon Curtis
And it's just. H. No, no, no. The. The line delivery there is. It's. It's beautiful.
Kristin Davis
Oh, I'm so glad.
Simon Curtis
It's a beautiful moment. It's heartbreaking and infuriating, but your performance is stunning.
Kristin Davis
Good. I like that one. But then when I go in to get him out of the center of the Scottish dancing and he rips my dress, I'd remember there being so much stress about that, and Pat had had to make me that dress because we couldn't find a dress, and it had to be a specific plaid, and then he had to rip it, so we had to have multiples, so they'd had to make that for me. And I remember feeling like, this is a. Wow. Black dress. This dress is crazy. Like, it was so much plaid. Like, so much plaid. But he had to rip it. And I remember that was really stressful. But I don't know if I do that right. Like, am I mad enough? I don't know.
Simon Curtis
Oh, no. I watch. So I watched it again just this morning. It's perfect.
Kristin Davis
Okay.
Simon Curtis
There's no. I. I. I've. I live, eat, and breathe these episodes, and there's never. There's never been a moment where, like, that could have been adjusted.
Kristin Davis
Never crossed my mind. I'm glad. Because we can't go back now. We can't. I can't go back down, which is what I tell myself. But it is a lot like. And I do like the scene that I love the most. I don't know why. I love that scene where I'm doing my nails. He goes, and I try to do the Mandarin because Mandarin's very hard. Guys. I don't know if you guys have ever tried to speak Mandarin. It's very hard.
Simon Curtis
I took Mandarin in high school.
Kristin Davis
Oh, my God. Well, then you're probably really good.
Simon Curtis
And so I. I spoke, like, survival Mandarin in high school. And as soon as I moved to la, I left Lost.
Kristin Davis
It's hard, man. Because it's hard to retain, because it doesn't.
Simon Curtis
You don't conjugate verbs. It's a whole different.
Kristin Davis
And the intonation is everything. You can totally change your words with the intonation. And I was trying to learn it a little bit back then, but then I ended up going to Beijing and Shanghai to do an ad thing where I had to learn it. I had to have, like, a consultant teach me because it's, like, impossible, possible. Like, my three lines. I had to have someone teach me But I love that scene because I think I had gotten from David Frankel kind of like free reign to have that scene, even though it's. It's on the paper. Like, I think he does say something like, kyle says we should adjust your hormones or whatever. But, like, he just let me do every line like crazy. Do you know what I mean?
Simon Curtis
But what is so funny is that in that scene after the Scottish bling, it feels so grounded.
Kristin Davis
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Simon Curtis
It's like, no.
Kristin Davis
Then we're back.
Simon Curtis
Yeah, yeah.
Kristin Davis
Well, then we're back because. Because it's obvious that I am doing something that Trey is not involved in or whatever. It's like, sad. He's so sad. And then when he sits down and says he's exhausted, he just wants to play golf, and he wants to play golf. It's horrible. And then I'm like, why? I feel like I should be more upset, but I also feel that there is kind of like a drip, drip, drip of it. Right. Do you know what I'm saying?
Simon Curtis
Oh, it's perfectly paced because it ramps up. Because also, I feel like that's it. That's a dawning realization. That's a. That's not only just a rug pull. That's not only a realization of Charlotte thinking, what if I don't have a kid? Then that's Charlotte going back to, well, what if this isn't my husband?
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
Then that's Charlotte going in the nursery and being like, I've built a house of lies.
Kristin Davis
Right.
Simon Curtis
What? What? What? How can I be here again?
Kristin Davis
Definitely.
Simon Curtis
And so I feel like you.
Kristin Davis
Well, I'm good then. I'm good then.
Simon Curtis
Okay.
Kristin Davis
I feel much better. Thank you, Simon. Thank you, Simon. That's good. That was the perfect description of what should interior monologue. So I feel really good. All right, everyone, on Arya with Charlotte. We are going to take a break and we will be back with more Simon Curtis as the week continues. Thanks for joining us. Hey, listeners. Aleve has a question for you. Do you remember what it felt like when your body pain didn't take over your day? You'd twist a lid, type a text, or bend your elbow without even thinking about it. Well, that feeling didn't go anywhere, thanks to Aleve. With just one dose, Aleve targets pain at the source of inflammation for up to 12 hours of body pain relief. Because when your pain fades, something else comes back. You feel the relief. Feel Aleve use as directed for minor aches and pains.
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Episode: “All About Charlotte with Simon Curtis... (S4 E12 ‘Just Say Yes’)”
Date: June 8, 2026
In this heartfelt special, host Kristin Davis (Charlotte York on Sex and the City) welcomes singer-songwriter, author, and superfan Simon Curtis for a deeply personal and reflective discussion. The episode centers on the lasting cultural impact of Sex and the City, the transformative power of storytelling, and the character arc of Charlotte York. Together, Kristin and Simon share behind-the-scenes insights, personal stories about the show's significance, and an in-depth rewatch of the classic episode “Just Say Yes” (S4 E12).
"Sex and the City was the first thing I ever saw that showed gay people that it wasn’t a tragedy. ... It was a life raft. It saved me in so many ways. Such a crucial point in my life." – Simon (04:00)
"At that exact moment, my phone vibrated and it was you sending me a message... in the car I just started crying and I was like, well, Charlotte just texted me. We're getting Charlotte. We're getting two puppies." – Simon (09:15)
"Everything that I've done has always just kind of been like, well, I'll do this." – Simon (16:06)
"Sex and the City is the most significant TV show that's ever been made... what TV was as a medium, as an art form, before Sex and the City changed forever after it." – Simon (19:49)
"There was a structure to the show that hit these beats and it was like, it just, it, it’s like hitting a tuning fork. ...It just feels good in your soul." – Simon (36:56)
"It’s terrifying. ... It’s like baby horror, you know?" – Kristin (49:10)
"You feel that in your gut. There’s panic, there is shame. All of these come out of Charlotte’s eyes and face in two seconds." – Simon (55:10)
This episode is warm and conversational, full of nostalgic joy, gratitude, encouragement, and deep fan appreciation. Kristin is candid about her own insecurities and acting process, while Simon is supportive and insightful, combining the devotee’s reverence with real-world perspective as an artist and LGBTQ+ advocate. Their dynamic is affectionate, earnest, and sprinkled with humor.
“All About Charlotte with Simon Curtis” is a love letter to Sex and the City’s legacy and to the enduring power of storytelling and representation. Through Simon’s deeply personal lens and Kristin’s reflections, the episode explores the significant cultural ripple effects of SATC, the joy and pain within character arcs (especially Charlotte’s), and the evolution of television as art. With honesty, vulnerability, and mutual admiration, Kristin and Simon celebrate both the past and future of the show—and the unexpected ways it still shapes lives today.