And Just Like That…it happened to her.

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Are You A Charlotte?

Episode: "And Just Like That…it happened to her."

Host: Kristen Davis
Guest: Kelly Rizzo
Release Date: July 2, 2026

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Overview

This intimate and deeply personal episode explores themes of grief, loss, life transitions, and the power of storytelling as comfort. Host Kristen Davis welcomes guest Kelly Rizzo—widow of beloved comedian Bob Saget—to share the profound and uncanny overlap between her own real-life loss and the much-discussed plot of "And Just Like That," the Sex and the City revival series. The conversation weaves between personal anecdotes, cultural commentary, and the ongoing impact of Sex and the City, touching on topics of aging, societal expectations, and choosing a child-free life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Intersection of Fiction and Real Life

Timestamps: 02:35–13:43

• Kelly Rizzo shares the surreal story of watching the "And Just Like That" episode where Big dies, hours before Bob Saget unexpectedly passed away (08:56–11:52):
  • Kelly, isolating with COVID, seeks comfort in TV after encouragement from Bob. She chooses "And Just Like That".
  • The sudden loss portrayed onscreen mirrored her own the very next morning.
  • She describes the empathy she felt for Carrie, never expecting her own life to be upended in the same way:

    "I remember just feeling gutted for her, but also putting myself in that position, like, what would that be like? ... But that's not me. My husband is safe..." (10:59–11:45)

  • Upon rewatching, Kelly noticed eerie similarities between Carrie's grief scenes and her own experience sorting through Bob’s belongings.

2. Representing Grief on TV & In Culture

Timestamps: 05:54–15:49, 19:28–27:41

• Kristen and Kelly discuss the importance and taboo of openly expressing grief.
• Portrayal of real emotion: Kelly praises Michael Patrick King's nuanced depiction of mourning:

  "How much this man must have known about grief... because he nailed it so perfectly." (10:39)

• The value of representation: They agree that showing difficult realities, like sudden widowhood and life after 50, is essential:

  "That's really why we do what we do — to try to have real, you know, and to empathize." —Kristen Davis (13:00)

• Kelly reflects on her own sense of isolation as a young widow, and the solace found in seeing her experience mirrored in Carrie's story.
• The comfort of not feeling alone:

  "I literally felt all those things Carrie was feeling, like when she went into the closet... I'm not crazy for feeling this or experiencing this." —Kelly Rizzo (14:48)

3. Using Humor in the Face of Tragedy

Timestamps: 20:18–24:57

• Bob Saget’s approach to loss was to inject humor, even in the darkest moments.

  "That's part of why he became a comedian, because he had so much death in his life... comedy helped him." —Kelly Rizzo (20:49)

• Both acknowledge that grieving is deeply individual; for some, humor provides an essential coping mechanism, and for others, it doesn’t fit.

4. Societal Attitudes Toward Grief, Aging, and Women

Timestamps: 27:06–39:49

• Kristen critiques our culture’s aversion to death and aging:

  “Our culture is so wrong-headed about death in general and aging. There’s so much to be learned, to be proud of, to own and share… for young people to learn things.” (34:17)

• Both discuss the slow progress in how society (and Hollywood) treats older women, highlighting recent successes but lingering barriers.
• Kelly flips the script, focusing on gratitude for the time she had with Bob, rather than dwelling on unfairness.

  "I can't be like, it's not fair that I didn't have him longer... I'm so grateful I had him for six years." (39:09)

5. Choosing a Child-Free Life & Societal Pressure

Timestamps: 43:34–47:02

• Kelly shares her decision to remain child-free, recalling a pivotal Sex and the City quote:
  • Charlotte asks, "How could you give up a baby for a man you hardly know?"
  • Carrie replies, "Why would I give up a man for a baby I hardly know I want?" (45:39–45:51)

  "That line has stuck with me so much... I remember applying that logic to being like, wait, am I going to give up Bob, this wonderful man, for a baby I hardly know I want?" —Kelly Rizzo (45:52)

• The hosts discuss how cultural expectations can push women toward motherhood, and the importance of questioning "shoulds" in life.

6. Social Media, Legacy, and the Pace of Change

Timestamps: 53:18–59:06

• The impact of social media on self-image, career trajectories, and generational understanding.
• Both express concern about the next generation, likening the rise-and-fall of influencers to the child star phenomenon.
• Kelly notes recent legal and ethical developments for children featured in online content.

7. Kelly Rizzo’s Projects & Life After Loss

Timestamps: 61:40–64:32

• Kelly describes her career in content creation ("food and travel" videos, hosting), and the evolution of her podcast "Comfort Food," which began as a way to process grief and normalize the conversation.

  "People were like...this has been helping when you talk about this." (63:23)

• Her show now covers a range of topics, always aiming to leave listeners with something comforting and practical.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Empathy Through Television:

  "You want it to seem real. Obviously, it's not real. We're acting. But I know that SJP and Michael Patrick really, really wanted to tell the story and had been talking about it for a long time, and it was a huge risk." —Kristen Davis (22:40)

• On Grief and Connection:

  "When I saw anybody, like, when I met widows after that, I felt so not alone. Like, oh, my God, there's other people who get this." —Kelly Rizzo (14:48)

• On Societal Shoulds:

  "I do think there is, also culturally, this just tremendous pressure on everyone to have children. ... this whole idea that all women secretly want it or whatever, that's just not true." —Kristen Davis (46:29)

• On Bob Saget's Legacy:

  "He had a very special energy... always wanted it was very warm and so fun and just. But sweet, you know? He was sweet. He had a sweetness about him." —Kristen Davis (29:18)

• On Social Media & Youth:

  "Now you have social media where you could be 18 years old and have a TikTok account and start making millions of dollars tomorrow. And then kids see that and they're like, 'Oh, well, I'll just do that.'" —Kelly Rizzo (56:37)

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Important Timestamps

• Kelly's story of watching Big’s death just before Bob Saget passed: 8:56–11:52
• Discussion of grief portrayal in 'And Just Like That': 10:39–13:43
• Cultural attitudes about death and aging: 33:44–36:38
• Sex and the City quote on child-free choice: 45:39–46:12
• On Bob Saget’s use of humor to cope with loss: 20:18–21:33
• Kelly on starting her podcast “Comfort Food”: 63:23–64:29

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Tone & Style

• Warm, candid, conversational. The hosts balance humor and openness, modeling the very authenticity they champion.
• Reflective and empathetic. The episode delves deeply into vulnerability and connection, mixing pop culture with life’s biggest questions.
• Optimistic undertone. Despite heavy topics, both seek light, comfort, and growth.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a heartfelt dialogue blending personal storytelling with cultural analysis, ideal for anyone drawn to honest talks about grief, legacy, and the choices that define our adult lives. Even if you haven’t watched Sex and the City, you’ll find resonance here in the universal themes of loss, resilience, and the search for meaning in life’s unpredictability.

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Transcript

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Kelly Rizzo]

I turned off news altogether.

[Joe Jonas]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Kristen Davis]

It's the rage bait.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Kevin Jonas]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[NBC News Anchor]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

[Nick Jonas]

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[Joe Jonas]

If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas.

[Kevin Jonas]

And this week we're hanging out with someone. We're really big fans of Millie Bobby Brown. We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes three family life and all the amazing things she has going on right now.

[Joe Jonas]

Plus, we find out what she really feels about the Stranger Things ending.

[Nick Jonas]

You have over 60 animals.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

I don't know where the number's 60 and I've really got to figure that out. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's a big bed.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

Literally sleeping in the bed.

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[Kristen Davis]

Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want

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to know, are you a Charlotte?

[Kristen Davis]

Well, this is a special, special, interesting, different episode that we're going to do of Are you a Charlotte? With Kelly Rizzo. Kelly was married to Bob Saget, who I knew not really well Right. So we've never met, but I know that you have a very, very interesting story about, unfortunately, Bob's horribly untimely passing. And I just want to say, yes, I did know Bob. I knew Bob for two reasons.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I need to hear about this.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

Okay.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I'm so excited.

[Kristen Davis]

One is Stamos, who I did a play with. And, you know, Bob was such a huge part of his life that, like, you know, you would just, like, be on the phone with him.

[Kelly Rizzo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah. So there was the Stamos connection and then. And I'd known John. I know John before we did the play. The play, I want to say, was like 2012, maybe like a while ago. And then also stand up for Pits, which is Rebecca Corey's foundation for Pitbull. Oh, my gosh.

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[Kristen Davis]

And Bob would often come and do comedy for free for the benefit. So sweetly and so funny. And he'd be on the red carpet and cracking jokes. And, you know, he just had such a beautiful way about him. And, you know, he was so different than his, you know, Full House character.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Isn't that crazy? Yes. People were very surprised. People couldn't find out about the real box.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly, exactly. But I think the thing that was similar about. And I didn't really watch a lot of Full House, I was always so surprised by how people would react to John as well. He had, I think, energetically similarities, you know, which is true, I think, for a lot of actors. Right. Like, the character's very different, but energetically, very similar. Like, even if he was telling the most. Most X rated joke, you know, he's so joyful.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Did it while he was very lovable and cuddly and he still loved hugging people, you know, just like Danny Tanner. Exactly. Yes, yes.

[Kristen Davis]

Well put. Well put. So he was. He was just a force and it was just so, so sad. And I. I felt for you so much when he.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, it's just so shocking, you know, you just don't feel like that can happen.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But, yeah, it was. Yeah, it's still. And I can go right back to that moment in an instant of just how shocking it was. And that's why I was so excited to be able to chat with you about this, because I had such a special, intrinsic, unique moment of my life that tied in with. And just like that. I mean, Sex and the City, of course. By the way, you had an episode recently where you were talking to your guest and they're like, I've seen the whole series through like five times. And I was like, five times. That's amateur number.

[Kristen Davis]

That's what everyone said on Instagram too.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I was like, oh, it was so funny. But yeah. So, you know, obviously that was such a big part of my life. But to then have it tie in so interestingly to. And just like that I was like, we've got to talk about this. Because it was so unbelievable just how it happened. And it was a really strange, life imitating art type situation that actually happened to me.

[Kristen Davis]

Right, right. Which is, you know, it's like, I think I'm not, I'm. I've been told that I sound like a victim about. And just like that. So I'm not going to do that. But I do want to say one of the things about. And just like that that we wanted to do and I do think we did, is to talk about things that start to happen to you when you are lucky enough to live past 50.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And, you know, people maybe didn't want to see that. I don't know. But I do think it's really real. And I think for many people that I see and meet and run into, you know, they have some connection. They want to tell me, you know, this happened to me and that happened to me. And, you know, I think it's important to tell those stories.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's so important. And that's why, you know, I'd never really thought about grief before or death until I lost Bob. And then it kind of became almost all I was talking about. And then you realize when it's something that becomes so normalized to you, it's still not normalized to other people. And talking about grief and death was still and has been still very kind of taboo, which is so sad. Right? Which because it happens to everybody.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

It does.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Like we're all going to experience it in one way or another. And it just became so normalized for me. And so it is interesting then because I just two days ago went back and rewatched those episodes because I hadn't seen them since the day before. Not even the day before. Hours before Bob died.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, my God. Okay, so let's tell our dear listeners this story because it's so crazy to

[Kelly Rizzo]

me, it is really crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

Kelly was a fan. That's how it starts.

[Kelly Rizzo]

You know, obviously had grown up on Sex and the City since I was in college and had seen it so many times and it was such a big part of my life and loved it, loved it, loved it. And then I had just started watching and just like that, because it was, you know, season one, episode one. And I think I'd been putting it off because I'm like, okay, I want to really dig in when I can give it some proper attention. And Bob was out of town doing. He was on tour. He was in Florida, and he had done one show the night before, and then he was doing a show that night. And this was now January 8, 2022. And I was lying in bed with COVID and I felt awful. I had the worst sore throat. I was just miserable. And I'm constantly texting Bob, like, I don't understand. Like, I should be getting better by now. And he's, like, giving me all these instructions of, you know, what meds to take and, you know, what to do. And a lot of it, I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm an adult. I know I should take Advil or whatever, but, you know, so we're going back and forth, and he's like, why don't you just watch something that makes you happy tonight and makes you feel comfortable? And just. He's like, I'll be home tomorrow. Just, you know, watch a comfort show. And I was like, well, that's usually Sex in the City. I was like, no, no, no, wait. I have. And just, like, that's out now.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, no.

[Kelly Rizzo]

So I told him I was like, I'm gonna watch this. And he's like, great. That's perfect. Take some meds. Relax. Watch that in bed. So that's what I did. I watched the first episode, and. Sorry, spoiler alert. Big dies, right? And I remember feeling so devastated for Carrie. Cause, you know, this character, like, he's been in everyone's life for 25 years, and I'm like, oh, like, that's awful. And I had already started comparing Bob to Big in certain ways, in the good ways. You know, they're both very tall, dark, handsome, love cigars. You know, this kind of cooler, cooler than life Persona. Just very smooth and suave. And so, you know, Bob was kind of like my Mr. Big, in a sense. And so I'm watching this, and I remember thinking like, oh, my husband's a little older. And it just kind of hit me. I was like, oh, that would just feel so awful. And I remember just feeling gutted, like, for her, but also putting myself in that position, like, what would that be like? And I remember just, like, crying and being so sad and being like, well, this probably isn't good for my sore throat, but whatever. I'm into it now.

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[Kelly Rizzo]

And then I start watching the second episode where it's the funeral and what she's experiencing. And I gotta tell you, I, when I just rewatched it and I saw it was Michael Patrick King who wrote that, I'm like, how much this man must have known about grief or what that process is like because he nailed it so perfectly.

[Kristen Davis]

That's nice to hear.

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Thank you.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I mean, it was just, just the feeling and how you have to have your friends sleep in bed with you and just you, you know, it was just on point.

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Thank you.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Anyway, so I'm watching that second episode and just being like, that would just be so awful. Like, oh, how sad to have your husband pass away.

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Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But thinking so vividly remembering being like, oh, thank God that's not me. Thank God it's not me. At least that's not me. But one day when that happens to me, now I have some sort of frame of reference of what that might be like. And then going to sleep that night, feeling so heartbroken for these characters that you're seeing on TV that I've loved for so long. And then being like, oh, but that's not me. My husband is safe and in his hotel room, just finished this incredible show that he was so proud of and so happy with. And then waking up the next morning and can't get ahold of him. And then obviously finding out that time wise, he probably passed away a few hours after I actually watched that and had those thoughts.

[Kristen Davis]

So, so sad.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's just so crazy. But it didn't really dawn on me until then. I went back even maybe a couple months later because obviously I, I didn't watch TV for a long time after that. And I was like, I think I want to go back and watch, watch more of that and watch the several episodes after that of. And just like that. And then it all came back to me. I was like, oh my God, that's what happened. I watched that right before Bob passed. And then I started watching the episode, you know, with Charlotte and Carrie, where they're going through the boxes and his stuff. And I was like, I had to do that, you know. And then I was like, this is my life now. It was just so surreal and just so weird.

[Kristen Davis]

My question is, I mean, it's amazing to hear that. I mean, I'm horribly sorry that you had to go through this, obviously. But then the fact that you were in it and you could that like you that you'd been watching it and you were trying to empathize and thinking, I'm so lucky I'm not There. I mean, this is really why we do what we do. Right. To try to have real, you know, and to empathize.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, it was real, right.

[Kristen Davis]

Unfortunately. Unfortunately. But, like, to empathize is such a beautiful thing. You know, you're trying to think, like, oh, that's so sad for her, and how would I feel? And I'm so happy that my husband's safe, you know? But is anyone ever really safe?

[Kelly Rizzo]

No.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? No, unfortunately, no. But it's such an interesting thing to think about the connections that you can make through what we do. Right. And that's why we do it. The connections. But then, you know, did you feel like it helped you later on to recognize things like, I did feel this. Or, you know, she. When I. Because you talk about his closet as well as things like, was there help in that connection?

[Kelly Rizzo]

A thousand percent. And that's interesting that you asked that, because I hadn't really thought about that. Like, did seeing that portrayed, whether, you know, it's a TV show or if it was a documentary.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It almost doesn't matter because you're still seeing real, you know, actual portrayals of somebody had gone through that at some point to even come up with that idea for sure, so. Because when it happens to you, and then all of a sudden, you know, you're a widow. And, you know, in my case, I was 42 at the time, and I didn't really know other widows, or if I did, I didn't know, like, dig deep into that world because it didn't apply to me yet. You know, so it's kind of on

[Kristen Davis]

the periphery, but it's very personal and internal in a lot of ways, which is not necessarily all that helpful. Right. But it's really hard to be with someone in their grief. You can try, but it's hard.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Exactly.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And, you know, until you've lost somebody, like, I had never really lost anybody close to me. And anyone who has, like, then it's like, you're in the club, like, you. You get it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And I didn't get it before.

[Kristen Davis]

Got it.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And so when I saw anybody, like, when I met widows after that, I felt so not alone. Like, oh, my God, there's other people who get this because you feel so alone in this really weird world. But then rewatching it again, being like, oh, my God, I literally felt all those things that Carrie was feeling, like, when she went into the closet. And when I rewatched it, I realized that she was, like, hugging his. His suits. And I'm like, I did that I remember like hugging Bob's suits and seeing them all lined up so perfectly, just like Biggs were. And like, I remember like smelling them and being like, oh my God, like he's never coming home to this stuff. And it was just so such a bizarre feeling. But then seeing it, you know, on tv, I'm like, okay, like, I'm not crazy for feeling this or I'm not crazy for experiencing this?

[Kristen Davis]

No, not at all.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Not at all.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Hyundai Ad Voice]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Joe Jonas]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Kevin Jonas]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little bit.

[NBC News Anchor]

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[Joe Jonas]

Hey everyone.

[Nick Jonas]

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[Joe Jonas]

If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas.

[Kevin Jonas]

And this week we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of.

[Nick Jonas]

Millie Bobby Brown.

[Joe Jonas]

That's right, eleven herself.

[Kevin Jonas]

We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes three family life and all the amazing things she has has going on right now.

[Nick Jonas]

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[Kevin Jonas]

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[Millie Bobby Brown]

Okay, I. I don't know where the number 60 and I've really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed. And yeah, it's a big bed in the bed. Literally sleeping in the bed. Yeah.

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[Kristen Davis]

Grief is hard to even touch in terms of betrayal or, you know, any of it. It's such a very unique. And everyone obviously has their own version of it.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But especially like sudden, sudden loss like you experienced is just horrible. Like you have no preparation whatsoever. And that's the interesting part of this story for me is that there's no way. It's not as though he were sick. It's not as though you had had some kind of health warning or anything like that. Right. So in some ways, this was your only preparation. In a weird way, it was time, in terms of the time and everything. And you really trying to empathize with Carrie, which is so sweet. Like, that's the connection too that we have with our viewers, that, you know, you guys are like, oh, I felt

[Kelly Rizzo]

so bad for her.

[Kristen Davis]

You feel that in a different way.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's gotta suck for her for sure. I don't need to worry about that, you know, you know, until five hours later. But what the show also did, very interestingly, was the use of humor as well. And that's something I learned from Bob so much was that, you know, that's part of why he became a comedian, because he had so much death in his life. He had so much death and, you know, darkness and comedy helped him.

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And even since I knew him, there would be people you know, friends of his that he was losing all the time. And he would call their wife or call their family and, like, make jokes to them, like, the day they died.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

You can't do that.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Like, you can't joke with somebody about death. And he's like, yeah, you can and you should.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Kelly Rizzo]

I mean, I guess in the right way.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, if you're bothered, you're really fighting.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Exactly. I was like, he had a way about it.

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[Kelly Rizzo]

But then I remember in. In some of those episodes, you know, like, they're like, Miranda was trying to make a couple jokes here and there, and sometimes they didn't land. And I was like, oh, oh. Like, if I. Like, that would have landed for me because I would have appreciated the joke. Yeah, but some people don't, you know.

[Kristen Davis]

No, no. It's very, very unique. And I think that's also what's so hard about portraying it or connecting to it is that each version's gonna be different. Right. Oh, I remember this story, and I don't remember. Do you know, did Bob know Roy London? He was a really great acting teacher. We had.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Sounds so familiar.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like there was a connection, but I can't remember what it was exactly. But Roy used to tell the story about. He would coach people for big films and, you know, like, break down the script with them and talk about things to do. And one. And his thing was, like, not to have any rules or parameters around how you responded in the moment and to have freedom on the set that you were going to do what you felt the character needed to do and not be shut down by the director or anything like that.

[Joe Jonas]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

And there was a scene. I can't remember who it was, but it was some big movie star person in a film where someone died and he wanted them to, I believe, stand up on a table or something. Something odd. Right. And the director was like, no, no, you can't do that. And he told the actor to say, well, this is what happened to me when my dad died. This is what happened to me. This is what I did. And. And that. That would.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And it was true or wasn't true.

[Kristen Davis]

It wasn't true. Wasn't true. But it was. Because every version of gr. And you don't even understand when you're in it, what you're feeling or saying or doing or, you know what I'm saying. You're in a alternate universe that you didn't expect to be in. Especially in the situation with Bub where it's a sudden, bam. You Know, like, your life has changed dramatically from one hour to the next hour. And I think that's important to remember and sometimes really hard when you're trying to portray it on screen. Right. Because you're trying to connect. You want it to seem real. Obviously, it's not real. Right. We're acting. But I know that Sarajeska and Michael Patrick really, really wanted to tell the story and had been talking about it for a long time, and it was a huge risk, obviously. I mean, there's people who are still upset with us about this. You know what I'm saying? That they did not want that Big died right away and just that he died in general. They just don't want their characters to die. I get it. I get it. But I did feel like it's just a very, very relatable thing that women go through.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's real people generally. I mean, he was a few years older. They were together a long time, but he had a heart attack. And, like, what's more relatable than that? Either it happened to us or someone we know. I mean, I'm sure, you know, you know, somebody who lost their husband suddenly to a heart attack or something. Like, it's so common that. And it's interesting to see then what the characters do with it. But, like, as you mentioned, I would never have thought that I could have if you would have told me a day before, by the way, you're going to lose your husband tomorrow, and, like, you're going to be making jokes the day he died. Been like, absolutely not. That's awful. And I remember I was at my house and a house. Like, there were a ton of comedians over at my house that day. And, you know, Jeff Ross is there, like, making jokes. And, like, I started. I actually, like, smiled. I mean, I'm devastated and sobbing 99% of the day. But then he'd say something funny, and then I would laugh, and then I would attempt to say something funny back. And that's just life.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, you can't plan it. No, you can't plan it. And also, those were Bob's friends, right? So they're gonna have that similar sense of humor to him, and they're gonna understand that that's what he would want them to do for you in that moment, you know?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And I think. I think that's beautiful. I think that's beautiful. And I think people are complicated, and you can't put yourself in a box or put other people in a box and say, oh, well, this wouldn't happen, or this would happen. You don't even really know.

[Kelly Rizzo]

No, you. It's. There's so much of it that happened that I never would have guessed. And then it really, truly dawned on me. As I mentioned just a few weeks ago when doing my podcast, and I'm like, I want to tell this story because I had mentioned it to somebody in passing. They're like, wait, that's crazy. Like, you watched that episode a couple hours before Bob died. I'm like, yeah, that's insane. And then part of me is like, well, maybe it doesn't, you know, seem as big of a coincidence to other people. Like, oh, you just happen to be watching the show. But I'm like, no, it was. It was very intense. And then the memory I had from that when I went back and watched was just so, like, that happened to me just a few hours later. It was just so crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

It is crazy. It gives me kind of like chill type feelings. But also I do feel like. Like, in a weird way, sometimes things are sent to us at different times that are going to help us, you know, that's like my woo woo side. But, you know, like.

[Kelly Rizzo]

No, it's so true.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And. And ever since then, you know, it's whenever I'm just trying to be cozy and comforted, you know, that's why I've gone through the season so many times, is because it's always been my comfort. Even before Bob passed, like, he would know. He'd be like. He's like, oh, all right. Why don't you turn on Sex and City again? I'll watch it with you. You know, go ahead. And I'm like. He's like, you've seen it so many times. I'm like, I don't care.

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And so still, it just makes me, you know, feel so comforted. And that even though having that memory of, you know, well, that was an unpleasant memory, it's still. It still was strangely comforting in a way, too. And then.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I mean, I think it's comforting to think that anyone has gone through anything when you're in a horrible situation.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Even if it's a fictional somebody. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And that's what's interesting. I'm like, yeah, okay, that was fiction. But as I mentioned, like, somebody came up with it. It was.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And it was done very, very perfectly. Where I'm like, that was.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Thank you.

[Kelly Rizzo]

My life to at.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm sorry, though. I'm sorry. It's like such a mixed Thing, you know, it's like, on the one hand, you're happy that the work reached someone in a powerful way, and then on the other hand, I'm just sorry that you went through that.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, thank you. But, you know, at this point now, it's. Yeah, I just. I just love talking about Bob all the time, and it's. It's never changing. And, you know, I just tell people all the time, I'm like, he's never going anywhere. Like, I'm gonna talk about him all the time. I don't care if people get sick of it. It's been so therapeutic to always be sharing him, because then I find out, like, look, I talked to you today. You're like, tell me things about Bob that I didn't even really know. And so there's always memories or things that I'm still learning about him because I'm always still talking about him.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, wow, that's amazing.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, it's because so many people either knew him personally or had some sort of connection to him, even if they're. I mean, he got all the time. I'm sure, you know, in ways that you do too, but he would have people come up to him saying, like, I didn't have a dad and you raised me, like, that type of thing, like, very powerful stuff. And. And so I still get that all the time. You know, now they kind of transfer that on to me, which I'm just very proud to even have that connection at all. So.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, people live on. I mean, it's. It's a. Death is a really crazy thing because, like, on the one hand, it is very final, and on the other hand, it's not, you know, people's energies and spirit and what he created when he was here. Powerful. Very powerful.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Touched so many people.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

You're welcome. I mean, you know, I didn't know him well, but he was always. You always knew if Bob was at an event you were at. Let me put it that way.

[Kelly Rizzo]

He stood out. I mean, he was 6, 4. He stood out like a sore thumb.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

And he.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Right. He had a very special energy.

[Kristen Davis]

He did.

[Joe Jonas]

He did.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And always wanted.

[Kristen Davis]

It was very warm and so funn and just. But sweet, you know? He was sweet. He had a sweetness about him.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. And it's. It's interesting to see that kind of continue on. And, you know, like, even with my boyfriend now, like, people ask me all the time, like, is it weird that you still talk about Bob so much? Like, is Brecken okay?

[Kristen Davis]

With that.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And I'm like, he loves it. He's very comfortable with it, strangely. And I'm so grateful for that because that is not always the case.

[Kevin Jonas]

Sure.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And I was so worried about that.

[Kristen Davis]

I can only imagine how am I

[Kelly Rizzo]

going to find somebody who's confident enough to know that I'm always going to be talking about Bob. Like, that's got to get weird for somebody. And he's like, not weird about it.

[Kristen Davis]

That's amazing. Did he know Bob?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yes. Not super well. Not like a Stamos. I don't think anyone know, because that would be weird.

[Kristen Davis]

Two were tied. I mean, it was very intense relationship.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Stamos was the last, last holdout on Brecken. Every. All of Bob's friends, his. His daughters, like, love Brecken.

[Joe Jonas]

Like, everyone.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But for some reason, John was a little, like, interesting.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, of all people, I don't want

[Kelly Rizzo]

you to have new boyfriend. You know, he was a little. A little sensitive about it. And then finally he's like, all right, I'll meet him. And then they hung out, and now they love each other.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Oh, good.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I can always love John. But so he's like, all right, he's great. Fine. But yeah, they were friendly and respected each other and really liked each other. Like, I remember I would be sitting on the couch with Bob watching. Watching TV or series, and Brecken would come on. He'd be like, oh, Brecon's in the show. I love Brecken. Oh, that's nice.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But then it wasn't much more than that. Like, I met him a couple times, but it wasn't.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like I've met Brent.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, my God.

[Kristen Davis]

I know, but I can't remember probably. I mean, I mean, he's just one of those people who's been working for so long.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yes. He's been around for so long. Pardon me.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm just like, where? When?

[Joe Jonas]

How?

[Kristen Davis]

What? I'm not sure. It's not like Bob, where. Like, you. I mean, I have very vivid memories of Bobby.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I love this. It's like six degrees of Christmas.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. Well, in the every world, if you've made it for any length of time. You know what I'm saying? You.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And how long have you been in LA? Ever since I moved here in 91.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. But then I ended up getting Texas City going back and forth, you know, for years and years.

[Kelly Rizzo]

So you were here, too? Like, you would be heroes when we were on hiatus.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I bought my house after the first season.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah. And I remember, sir. Jessica was like, why are you doing that? And I said, because it's very calm there and I can rest.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Were you the only bicoastal?

[Kristen Davis]

No, no. There were Michael Patrick.

[Kevin Jonas]

Okay.

[Kristen Davis]

Was here as well. And Darren Starr was here as well. And acting wise. Yes. Though I think when we started, Kim had a house here, but then I think she sold it, and then

[Kelly Rizzo]

I

[Kristen Davis]

think Chris had a house here. I mean, we were. A lot of us went back and forth.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It was so weird. I saw him in a grocery store parking lot, like.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

A few weeks ago.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, wow.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Or maybe a couple months ago. And part of me wanted to be like. I think it was like, the same week I recorded my podcast about.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Right. But I was like, oh, I'm not gonna bother him, but what are the odds, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Ah, that's interesting.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I know. That was crazy.

[Kristen Davis]

That is crazy.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But, yeah, it's been such a ongoing therapy session to always be able to talk about Bob.

[Nick Jonas]

So.

[Joe Jonas]

Good.

[Kelly Rizzo]

I'm grateful to you that you gave me this opportunity to even really kind of dive into it more. Yeah, definitely.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I think, first of all, I think grief is super fascinating, and we do not talk about it enough. And second of all, I love Bob, so in Bob's memory.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, and I think talking about grief in a way that makes it not so scary or heavy, like, when you can joke about it or when you can throw in things that are a little bit more lighthearted or, like, you know, tie my grief into a TV show. Like, there are ways that make it more palatable. Which is why I had started doing my podcast originally, was because I'm like, I want. You know, it's called comfort food. Like, I want it to be comforting and not dark and sad and scary. And where people don't want to listen to something that's about death because they're like, well, that sounds awful.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's like, okay, how can we make it more relatable and not so heavy.

[Kristen Davis]

I just feel like it's such a service because the fact that our culture has decided, like, okay, we're. We're not gonna. This is random, what I'm gonna say. But, you know, our culture's like, we're not gonna talk about it, but obviously, it's a part of life. It's a part of everyday life, basically. Right. And then also the other day, I was listening to this podcast about the industry. I'm not going to say the name of it, but they were talking about how there had been this bidding war for this Jane Fonda movie called the Correspondent, which is a book, a very much loved book. And this guy who's quite a big reporter in our industry and he was like, I mean that's crazy. Like it's Jane Fonda, she's 80 something. And I was just like the disrespect was so cutting. And it's so wrong headed of our whole culture, right. To discount people who are older because there's so much wisdom and people who are older and there are other cultures who honor that and we are so wrong headed about death in general and aging in general. Like there's so much to be learned, to be proud of, to own and share, you know, for the young people to learn things. And I mean, Jane Fonda is beloved, like obviously not by all the men in our industry, but you know, by those of us with good sense. You know what I'm saying?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Do you think it's gotten better though? I feel like it's gotten, I don't

[Kristen Davis]

know, I think it's really up and down. Right. I think that, that, that I think in some ways, like with the Devil Wears Prada. Right too. Which is super exciting and did way huge numbers. And they're all like, oh, we can't believe it. Which is every time a female driven movie is successful, they're like, we can't believe it.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Who would have thought?

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly, exactly. They couldn't be.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Forget the movie.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Would do well.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. And then I else on Instagram about, about, I don't know how old Anne Hathaway is or Emily Blunt, but I mean, they're grown women. Right. And then Meryl, of course, you know, it's just a joy. And, and there's a lot of statistics about older women buying houses, single women buying houses. All of the things, all of those statistics are going in the right way. Right. And I think that the thing that's interesting is that I do feel like culturally and in terms of advertising and things that are getting made, like it's still really hard to get a film made that is, you know, about. Like it was not easy for us to make it just like that. Right. Everyone thinks that it was, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like, here, have $20 million an episode. Go have fun. It wasn't, it wasn't that easy because we weren't trying to recreate the other show. We were obviously at a different time in our lives and we wanted to write about that. That was our purpose. Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

That's a new perspective. Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right. I think It's a mixed bag. Right. I think sometimes there's wonderful things that happen, like Devil Wears Prada 2 or like Jane greenlighting a movie that has a bidding war. It's amazing.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But I don't think it's prevalent.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah. I will say I've noticed, even if it's trickling in little by little, there is a bit more. Because you mentioned the aging thing, that there are more people coming out and being like, no, I'm not doing Drew Barrymore. I saw a clip of her yesterday. She's like, I'm not doing anything. And so many more people now are kind of jumping on that bandwagon and saying, like, hey, it's not, you know, weird to not do stuff to your face or to whatever. Sure, sure. This should be the norm. And then that's what.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think there'd be any shoulds. Right. I think that we need to take the shoulds out because I think that's part of what goes wrong. But the thing that's interesting or that

[Kelly Rizzo]

if we do see it, that we shouldn't be like, oh, that's so strange. She decided not to do something.

[Kristen Davis]

For sure. For sure. But I also think a lot of this is driven by clickbait and by, you know, social media. Because even if Drew's going on her show and saying, I've made this choice, that doesn't mean that there's not going to be all kind of posts about, like, look how terrible she looks. You know, it's ridiculous. And then there are other people who are going to criticize people that they feel like they've done too much work. You can't really win. You're still in the. It's hard to win situation.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, that's a good point. Because I guess in that industry, no matter which way you go, you're going to have people but just want to be trolls and want to comment and want to say the mean things.

[Kristen Davis]

Because we have now, you know, a platform for everything. Right. So there's platforms for people dissecting your face, you know, every day or whatever. It's very interesting. Very interesting. It's interesting if you can get a little space from it. You know what I'm saying? Get a little detachment from it.

[Kelly Rizzo]

God bless us all.

[Kristen Davis]

I know. And the truth is, right, if you're lucky enough to be older and healthy, isn't that what's important?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah. And that's, you know, part of you were just even mentioning, you know, Double Wears Prada. Like, they're like, they look amazing. Meryl looks amazing. Like, let's celebrate that and you know, have any negativity around it. But at the same time, you know, that was another really big thing with my whole loss of Bob, was everyone was like, I'm so sorry for you. You got robbed. It's not fair. Like, no, I'm so grateful. I had him for six years and I can't be like, it's not fair that I didn't have him longer.

[Kristen Davis]

I don't think life is fair.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

I think that's just a crazy idea anyway. Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But to focus on the gratitude for the. For sure how much time we did have together or how much time you get to be on this planet and healthy and alive, you know what I'm saying?

[Kristen Davis]

To even have come across him so that you could have that joy. I mean, not everyone gets that, you know, at all. Right? So, yeah. It is hard though. I think with loss, it's hard. You can't be holding yourself up to an unrealistic expectation that you're going to be living in the gratitude every moment either. Right. Like. Like you need to give yourself freedom to have all the feelings. You know what I'm saying?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Right?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah. No, so true.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Joe Jonas]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Kevin Jonas]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Nick Jonas]

Hey, everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers.

[Joe Jonas]

If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas.

[Kevin Jonas]

And this week we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of.

[Nick Jonas]

Millie Bobby Brown.

[Joe Jonas]

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[Kevin Jonas]

We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes 3, family life, and all the amazing things she has going on right now.

[Nick Jonas]

This blew my mind when I saw this. Millie Bobby Brown, you have over 60 animals. First of all, how do you even keep track of everybody? And second, do you have favorites? Who are they and why?

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah, I need to know about this.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

Okay. I don't know where the number 60, and I've really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed and. Yeah, big bed in the bed. Literally sleeping in the bed. Yeah.

[Joe Jonas]

Plus, we find out what she really

[Nick Jonas]

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[Millie Bobby Brown]

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[Nick Jonas]

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[Joe Jonas]

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[Nick Jonas]

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[Kelly Rizzo]

Different topic.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Still in the same world.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh, boy.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Another thing from Sex and the City that had such an impact on me that I use in my everyday life, because there's a big thing with me where, you know, I. I never had kids. And people always want to talk about that, you know, like, oh, well, why didn't you have kids? Why did you not want to have kids? I mean, you know, it's a huge conversation, especially nowadays, the whole, like, child free by choice thing. And when I had met Bob, I was still kind of on the fence about having kids. Like, do I or do I not want to? I was Like, I don't think I want to, but I don't know. And then I meet Bob, and when we met, I was 37 and he was 60. So, you know, big age gap. And he was at the point where he's like, I. I have three adult children. I don't think I want kids anymore. But let's not take it off the table completely. So we were dating for a little bit, and then I was about to move to la, and right before that, he said, we have to talk. He's like, I. I'm not doing the kid thing again. I just can't. He's like, I don't want to be 70, pushing a stroller. And I was like, I don't blame you. You know, like, I. I get it.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And he said, but I want you to understand before you move out here, like, that's a choice you're gonna need to make. Like, if you want to have kids. I don't want to take that from you.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Kelly Rizzo]

So, you know, you need. You need to think about that. And I remember thinking. And at that time, and of course, I'd seen the episode before, but I remember watching the. It was in season six. It was one of the Alexander Petrovsky episodes, but Charlotte and Carrie were playing with Brady at the park.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. Don't remember, but okay.

[Joe Jonas]

And,

[Kelly Rizzo]

you know, Charlotte was like, you're a baby person. And she's like, I don't think I'm a baby person because, you know, Alexander Petrovsky didn't want kids.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes. Yes.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And Charlotte goes, but how could you give up a baby for a man you hardly know? And she goes, why would I give up a man for a baby I hardly know I want?

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Wow.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And I, like, that line has stuck with me so much.

[Kristen Davis]

That's interesting.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Once again. Yes. I know it's a TV show, but it's so true. And then I remember applying that logic to being like, wait, I'm gonna give up Bob, like, this wonderful man for, like, a baby I hardly know I want.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And so since then, whenever it comes up, I always say, like, well, you know, like that line in Sex in the City. And then I do that line all the time. Everyone's like, I love. That's so true. Like, that.

[Kristen Davis]

That's impacted me, too. Yeah, it's very good. I wonder who wrote that line. Let's. Let's get to the bottom of it.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Juicy line.

[Kristen Davis]

Because it's a very juicy line.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

I do think there is also, culturally, this just tremendous pressure on everyone to have children. Goodness.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

It's crazy town. It really is such a big thing. And I don't think anyone should force anyone or put any pressure. And this whole idea that all women secretly want it or whatever, that's just not true.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But I thought, should they.

[Kelly Rizzo]

As the. The whole shoulding thing. I thought I would because that's. I should. That's what you're supposed to do. Well, you're supposed to have. So I was just like, well, I guess I will.

[Joe Jonas]

Because.

[Kristen Davis]

While the world watches the stars at

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

the FIFA World cup this summer, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent. The future stars who are already turning

[Kristen Davis]

heads at age 14.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Making plays that end up on everyone's feed. Scoring from angles that don't make sense. Rewriting record books that barely had time to gather dust. Because Next doesn't wait for an invitation. And Hyundai doesn't either. Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. Hyundai did it by making advanced safety standard on every vehicle. Hyundai did it by engineering EVs with ultra fast charging capability. And Hyundai continues doing it every day. From robotics that change how people live to young athletes changing the game. The future isn't some far off concept. It's already here. Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Joe Jonas]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Kevin Jonas]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[NBC News Anchor]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting For America.

[Nick Jonas]

Hey, everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers.

[Joe Jonas]

If you haven't heard, our new podcast is called hey Jonas.

[Kevin Jonas]

And this week we're hanging out with someone we're really big fans of.

[Nick Jonas]

Millie Bobby Brown.

[Joe Jonas]

That's right, Eleven herself.

[Kevin Jonas]

We talk about her new movie, Enola Holmes 3 Family Life, and all the amazing things she has going on right now.

[Nick Jonas]

This blew my mind when I saw this. Millie Bobby Brown, you have over 60 animals. First of all, how do you even keep track of everybody? And second, do you have favorites? Who are they and why?

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah, I need to know about this.

[NBC News Anchor]

Okay.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

I don't know where the number's 60, and I've really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed. And. And, yeah, it's a big bed in the bed. Literally sleeping in the bed. Yeah.

[Joe Jonas]

Plus, we find out what she really feels about.

[Nick Jonas]

Stranger things ending five seasons, almost 10 years of your life.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

I could have never have guessed it. I started when I was 10 years old.

[Nick Jonas]

Our conversation with Millie Bobby Brown is out now.

[Joe Jonas]

Go check it out.

[Nick Jonas]

Listen to hey, Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kelly Rizzo]

That's what you do, right?

[Kristen Davis]

I know. It's kind of nuts. You have to really carve out the idea that you don't have to. I went through this myself before I adopted my kids. I really. I really was unsure. I was very unsure for quite some time. I waited so long to try to be sure. But then I did have, like, a weird, deeper need, you know, Like, I had to really sit down and think it through in a deep way, like, why?

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Why?

[Kristen Davis]

What do I want? What is it about it? You know, I had to dissect it because I didn't necessarily want to get married. So it wasn't. I didn't want the picture perfect, blah, blah, blah. But then I had to think about, like, what is it about the children? And it was a different element, and it was like the unknown. There's unknown. I mean, in the same way, when you meet someone and fall in love, there's an unknown. Like, what will you make together?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Can't plan any. We don't know what's gonna happen.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Same with children in it. Kind of a slightly different way.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

In, like, a. I. I did feel, like a deeper calling to it, which is why I eventually then pursued it. But there was a long time where everyone around me would be talking about getting pregnant and I would Just be

[Kelly Rizzo]

like, you know, but see, that's even more. But see, that's what's even more. I don't want to say impressive, but more like meaningful and deep. Meaningful to me about what you did because you were like, I want to be a mother. Like, I want to be a mom. It's not like I want to have the baby and be pregnant for the Instagram photos or this or that.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Like, where some people, they're like, I want to meet the man and then have the baby. Because then it's like, that's the perfect life.

[Kristen Davis]

Right? And Charlotte wanted that. I mean, I play a character who wanted that. Yeah, she really did. And I had to really dig deeply when I was playing her to make it deeper than that in real. You know, she didn't have social media. Right. We started, you know, 1998.

[Millie Bobby Brown]

Seven.

[Kristen Davis]

1997, actually. But, you know, because some people really, deeply, deeply have that vision for themselves, right? Like, they have a vision and maybe it is affected by how they grew up or by society or whatever, but it is their true vision. So I think that that needs to be honored as well. I think the question is always, you know, like, how. Where are people coming from about what they want? Is it from a deep place? Is it from a social pressure place? You know, because that. Those are the people who then sometimes are really unhappy when they do get that thing.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, exactly. So I'm saying to do it your way because you felt a calling to it and not because, like, oh, I'm gonna check the boxes that society says you should check. It's so silly. Like, nowadays, even when people have a certain wedding, I'm like, are you doing that because you truly want the wedding or you want to show the pictures on Facebook and Instagram?

[Kristen Davis]

I know.

[Kelly Rizzo]

You know, oh, like, if there was. I mean, of course every. People. Weddings existed before social media, but nowadays with how they're structured, like, if there was no social media, a lot of people nowadays, especially with, like, how much they cost and everything, it's like, let's just. We just want to be married. Let's just elope. Who cares? We don't need the pictures.

[Kristen Davis]

You know, I do know. I do know. I think it'll be interesting. My. I have a. My oldest is 14, and she doesn't have any social media thing.

[Kelly Rizzo]

14 and how old the other?

[Kristen Davis]

8.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

8.

[Kelly Rizzo]

14 and 8.

[Kristen Davis]

And I'm wondering, because some. There is this kind of turning away from it all now, you know, not across the board, but, like, they're young people. Who just don't want to bother with it, you know, And I wonder if it's going to come full circle and it will be interesting for us who had a lot of life before it. Right. Like, a ton of. And then now life has been greatly changed by it. In terms of all the things you're talking about, the pressures and how things are presented versus how they really are.

[Nick Jonas]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

Like, I also think these things when I see, you know, things on social media, and I'm like, you know, I don't think that's really how that thing

[Kelly Rizzo]

actually is, but when you have experience and you've lived some life and, like, I've been married twice, so I've had the divorce and I've had the. The loss of a spouse. And so, you know, I've had all these experiences now where, you know, when you see somebody who's like, 25 and they're like, I'm just gonna do this and do that, I'm like, okay, take a breath. I'm telling you. Is that how it always goes?

[Kristen Davis]

It's hard to tell them, though. Right, Right. But also, they have to go do it. You know, they have to go do it. Right. Because how else are they going to learn things? Right. I mean. Yeah, it is really. It is really interesting when you have gone through a lot of life and then you want to try to share it, and then you. I think there is such great things to be had from different generations having kind of deep conversations about these things. Right. When they. When they want to. When the time is right. And maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't. But it's super interesting to share our thoughts and our feelings and their expectations, like, because they're living such a different life than we did.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's like, going back, you want to be able to be like, I Wish I was 18 and I would have listened. I would have been like, hey, grandparents, tell me what I should and shouldn't do. But, like, we would never do that. We would never listen.

[Kristen Davis]

My grandparents had a lot to tell me, and I did not listen to them. And it's okay because I never would have left the house if I had listened.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, yeah, I'd probably be a farmer.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. Exactly Right. That's exactly right. Right. But they. But they. I think what they did tell me and what I feel like got trans. Transmuted or whatever you would say was about work, hard work ethic, things like that, which I feel like also culturally, we're kind of in, like, a weird thing about it because I Think things are so much less linear than they used to be. It's not like you can do this, the certain things you're supposed to do and have it necessarily work out. Right. It's much more chaotic now. So I think that sometimes what we. I'm older than you, but what I received from the generations before me was about kind of that if you really apply yourself and work really, really hard, that things are going to work out for you. Right. I don't know if people feel that way now because the world is so different.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, yeah. Now you have social media where you could be 18 years old and have a TikTok account and start making millions of dollars from TikTok tomorrow. And then kids see that and they're like, oh, well, I'll just do that.

[NBC News Anchor]

Right.

[Kristen Davis]

But then my fear for that, for that, because it is super interesting and it's real, Right. It's not like it's not a real job. It is a real job.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It can be real.

[Kristen Davis]

It can be real, Right. It's not going to be real for everyone who wants it just like can

[Kelly Rizzo]

be real for anyone. But not everyone.

[Kristen Davis]

Exactly. But also then my question is, where's it going to go? Right? Because then it. Let's say that you hit. That you're one of those people who hits as a content creator, what happens next? Like, what are you going to do with that? Is it going to last? Are you going to save that money? Probably not. I don't know if you think that way.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It's probably like what happened to a lot of child actors maybe.

[Kristen Davis]

Yes, yes, Good analogy. Yes. But scary.

[Kelly Rizzo]

They get really. I mean, granted, the era of child actors, let's say in the 70s, 80s, 90s, is different than today because of social, of social media.

[Kristen Davis]

Right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But you know, they get so big and then they burn out and then there's a lot of issues that follow with that, for sure.

[Kristen Davis]

And that's exactly what I worry about. That's exactly what I worry about. That there's. Because there's also no network or like, structure for content creators, Right. Like they're just kind of on their own, you know? Whereas if you're a child actor, not that this always worked out, but your parents were supposed to be around and stuff, right?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

And now.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Supposed to be.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah, yeah, Now. Not, Not. Didn't always work out in the past. And they're supposed to be saving your money for you and all those things. Right. But content creators, I don't think anybody's overseeing them in any way, which is really Interesting to think about, like what's going to happen.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, I think there's some law that, you know, and I'm sure anyone can do research on this, but I remember hearing about it very recently that for people who put their children in videos, like content creators who put their children in videos and money's made from that, like some money has to go, oh, good to the kids.

[Kristen Davis]

Thank goodness.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And that there also might be some sort of laws about like time.

[Joe Jonas]

Wow.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Because you know, everything that happened after that was her name Ruby, Frankie. Right. On YouTube where she's monetizing off her kids and these kids are like working 20 hour days on YouTube. You know, I think because of her specifically that's they made some laws about that.

[Kristen Davis]

Wow, good. Yeah, good.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Because I mean, who know it's still so unregulated. I mean it's been my, this has been my, you know, world in business for the last 10 years and my line of work and it's interesting to see, you know, because it was the wild west for so long.

[Kristen Davis]

I feel like it still is.

[Kelly Rizzo]

It still is. It's just slightly, you know, there's certain regulations, if something's sponsored, you have to say it's sponsored, things like that.

[Kristen Davis]

But I feel like not everybody does not. Oh, definitely not.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Definitely not.

[Kristen Davis]

Okay. And I do.

[Joe Jonas]

Yeah.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Cuz I'm always scared.

[Kristen Davis]

I'm so scared.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, I'm scared. I'm like, what if, you know, the fcc, like they're only watching me.

[Kristen Davis]

I mean, I don't think they're only watching anyone. But I do think that you can get flagged at any time. Right. Like, like if you're not.

[Kelly Rizzo]

But I'm always scared. They're like, I'll be the one, I'll be the first one ever who gets in trouble. Trouble.

[Kristen Davis]

Oh no, people are getting in trouble. I've heard of people getting in trouble. People just don't know about it. I mean, I think that even more reason, I don't necessarily think it's the, the creator's fault. I think it's lack of clarity from the brands, you know?

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, see, that's the thing because I've had several brand deals where I'll say like, well, aren't I supposed to put hashtag? And they're like, well, the brand's not requiring it.

[Kristen Davis]

And I'm like, I know, weird, right? Isn't that strange?

[Kelly Rizzo]

But I still think I should. All over the place. It's all over the place.

[Kristen Davis]

Some people used to put ad in the corner. Do you Remember, like, and now you never see that. You never see that. And now sometimes you'll see hashtag partner. Right. Like, and that's interesting, but I, I don't. But you're supposed to put it at the top. Like, sponsored. Yeah, but not every partnership and tag.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, super. I always get so scared that I'm going to get in trouble, so I always go above and beyond. I'll be like, okay, I'll take it here. I'll take it here. I'll take it here.

[Kristen Davis]

Better safe than sorry. Yeah, but I don't think everyone's doing that. And I think sometimes that's what's really gray about it is, like, if you're watching content that is actually advertising, but you don't know it. That's weird.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Yeah, Well, I mean, I mean, that's

[Kristen Davis]

supposed to happen, right?

[Kelly Rizzo]

So much that I'll see. I'm like, I'll be. And as a content creator who's savvy to this, there are times where I'm watching something and it's not until the end of the video. I was like, this whole thing was sponsored. I didn't even know it, you know?

[Kristen Davis]

Right, I know, I know, I know. I, I, I, I'm, I'm unclear on all of it, right? But. But I'm also just really, like, I don't want to do things where it's not clear because I don't want to be part of the problem. You know what I mean?

[Kelly Rizzo]

Well, you know, it's still kind of the, the Wild, Wild west where.

[Kristen Davis]

It is. Yeah, it is.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

It is.

[Kristen Davis]

So wait, you have a podcast. Tell us all the different things you do. It's super interesting.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Oh, gosh, it's so funny. When Bob used to, like, people would say to Bob, like, oh, what does your wife do? He would say the most random things because, like, sometimes I don't even know what I do. Like, you know, when you start doing all these different things, like, what do I do? But he would be like, she's a chef. I'm like, I'm not a chef. You can't tell people I'm a chef.

[Kristen Davis]

That's funny, though.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Like, I was like, honey, you cannot tell people I'm a chef. Or he'd be like, she's a, She's a travel journalist. And I was like, I'm not a journalist. You can't tell people I have, like, like, you know, degrees that I don't have. I know. He was. He's like, what do you want me to say? Just give me the Script. Anyway, so.

[Kristen Davis]

And then did you give him the script and did he do it?

[Kelly Rizzo]

He's. He tried. He would try anyway, so, yeah, you know, I've always done food and travel content creation for years, for over a decade now. Like, before it was really even a thing. And then after Bob passed, I had all these people coming to me, just not even really asking advice, but just kind of being like, I remember after he passed, two weeks later, I went on my first hike. And, you know, I hadn't been sharing anything on social media, but I posted one thing of just the mountain and just saying, like, got outside today, and I had all these people being like, my mom just passed away last week, and you just inspired me to go outside. And I'm like, what? Like, I don't know what the heck I'm doing. Like, don't follow my lead. I'm new to this game game, you know, But I started getting all these people coming to me. I was like, okay, maybe I'll share a little bit more, and then I'll share a little bit more. And then it kind of became a thing where people were like, this has been helping when you talk about this.

[Kristen Davis]

That's great.

[Kelly Rizzo]

So then I started the first season of Comfort Food, which was, you know, the podcast a couple years ago, and it was really just interviewing people just sitting like this, talking about grief and death. Like, you know, whoever my guest was, it's like. Like, tell me about the loss you had, and let's talk about that while eating my guest's favorite comfort food.

[Joe Jonas]

Oh, that's fun.

[Kelly Rizzo]

To make it a little easier.

[Kristen Davis]

Sure.

[Kelly Rizzo]

And I did a full season of that, and then I took a hiatus, and then I just came back just recently. But I'm like, I've grown since then, and I don't just want to talk about grief anymore. So now it's all different topics. You know, some solo episodes, like my Bob and Mr. Big episode, where that was, you know, grief in a sense, and loss. But then, you know, I have topics where I'm talking about romance scams, or, you know, I had one talking about, like, red flags in relationships. You know, it's all over the place, but the overall theme is something comforting at the end that people can take from it that hopefully can be helpful.

[Kristen Davis]

That's nice. That's so nice.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Thank you.

[Kristen Davis]

Well, thank you for joining us, us, Kelly.

[Kelly Rizzo]

Thank you so much for having me. This was such a treat. And I can't believe I got to talk about Sex in the City and just like that with you. So such a dream. So thank you for having me.

[Kristen Davis]

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[Joe Jonas]

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[Hyundai Ad Voice]

the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup. Hyundai has its eye on the next generation of talent, the future stars who are already turning heads at age 14. Because next doesn't wait for an invitation and Hyundai doesn't either. Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. Hyundai did it by making advanced Safety standard on every vehicle and by engineering

[Kristen Davis]

EVs with ultra fast charging capability.

[Hyundai Ad Voice]

And Hyundai continues doing it every day because the future isn't some far off concept. It's already here. Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA this

[Kristen Davis]

is an Iheart podcast. Guaranteed human.